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allocation history of the GWR 8-wheel tender?

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Tony Clarke

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Aug 17, 2007, 10:08:41 AM8/17/07
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I'm looking for prototype information about the solitary Collett 8-wheel
tender that was built in 1930 as Lot A123. This looks quite straightforward
bash for a Collett tender body and a set-and-a-third of standard GWR
axleboxes/springs, and I have drawings of the thing including the
information that it had 3'8" wheels instead of the usual 4'1.5".

However such a contraption HAS to be paired with the right loco! It
isn't a "that sort of thing" job at all: too many smartarses around (and
rightly so, it keeps us honest and trying harder). I am told that the device
was attached to at least half a dozen locos over its career until scrapping
in the early 60s, mostly Halls and Castles. But which ones and when? I've
only got a pic of it on 5032 Usk Castle in shirtbutton GWR days. What was it
running with in my period, 1960/61?

Hall and Castle bodies await, and if necessary I'll have the correct
plates etched, since I can get a load of other GWR plates done at the same
time for specific shed allocations.

All help appreciated,

Tony Clarke


Peter Abraham

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Aug 17, 2007, 10:49:19 AM8/17/07
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I have a foto of it attached to a 4 coupled County. 3816 County of
Leicester. (annotated post 1925). In previous dits on this board
the sages suggested that there was more than one 8 wheeler made.

Regards

Peter Abraham

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Aug 17, 2007, 12:13:24 PM8/17/07
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:08:41 +0100, "Tony Clarke"
<aj...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> Hall and Castle bodies await, and if necessary I'll have the correct
>plates etched, since I can get a load of other GWR plates done at the same
>time for specific shed allocations.
>
> All help appreciated,
>
> Tony Clarke
>
My computer also tells me that in 1932 it was attached to Saint class
2914 Saint Augustine.

Tony Clarke

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Aug 17, 2007, 1:46:23 PM8/17/07
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"Peter Abraham" wrote > I have a foto of it attached to a 4 coupled County.

3816 County of
> Leicester. (annotated post 1925). In previous dits on this board
> the sages suggested that there was more than one 8 wheeler made.

That sounds like the "other" 8-wheeler, the bogied one-off made for The
Great Bear (the experimental GWR Pacific), which did indeed do the rounds
after TGB was turned into a Castle (111 Viscount Churchill) in 1924. Here's
a drawing:

http://www.champwilde.f9.co.uk/gwdrawings/loco-111.jpg

I'm after the later Collett rigid-frame one. Quite why the GW built it I
know not, unless they were impressed by the riding characteristics of the
Gresley 8-wheel tender during the 1925 loco exchanges and thought they'd try
it. The capacities were the same AFAIK as the 6-wheelers and an extra set of
wheels wouldn't have made so much difference to track damage.

Just a novelty to ring the changes, but as I said, it has to be the
right loco for the job!

Tony Clarke


Tim Illingworth

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Aug 19, 2007, 10:51:51 AM8/19/07
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:08:41 +0100, "Tony Clarke"
<aj...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>I'm looking for prototype information about the solitary Collett 8-wheel
>tender that was built in 1930 as Lot A123. This looks quite straightforward
>bash for a Collett tender body and a set-and-a-third of standard GWR
>axleboxes/springs, and I have drawings of the thing including the
>information that it had 3'8" wheels instead of the usual 4'1.5".

There's a pic in J H Russell Pictorial History of GWR Engines Part 2
(page 234) of it lettered "British Railways" in fine GWR style and
attached to a loco numbered 506x. This would presumably be around
1948-9, so not too helpful for your period :-)

Tim

John Goss

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May 8, 2022, 2:15:04 PM5/8/22
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I presume that in the 14 years since you posted this query that you have done the business, but if not I can state categorically that 5904 "Kelham Hall" was running with the tender in 1961. ! have a photograph of her at Hereford on 1st November 1961 which is currently on Facebook (Rail Thing - REAL Trainspotting 1945-1968 group.

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