Mainline Railways
Alan Norris
Cathcart exhibition today and I am very impressed by the quality. The
only J72 I can find listed today is by Bachman. Is this the same model?
Alan Norris
Christopher A. Lee
Basically. I think Bachmann improved the drive. When Palitoy
first introduced their Mainline range they were far ahead of
most of the comptetion (ie Hornby), and more or less on a par
with Airfix although the drives weren't as good (as Airfix).
The weak point was the mechanism and wheels - I have a BR
standard class 4 whose wheels disintegrated over a long
(admittedly) time.
MikeB
I believe that Bachmann took over the Mainline range, and are still
producing quite a few of their moulds - only with better mechanisms and
detailing, as far as I know.
Mike
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osprey
>What happened to Mainline? My son bought an old Mainline J72 at the
> Cathcart exhibition today and I am very impressed by the quality. The
> only J72 I can find listed today is by Bachman. Is this the same model?
christopher replied
>The weak point was the mechanism and wheels - I have a BR
>standard class 4 whose wheels disintegrated over a long
>(admittedly) time.
I've got 3 mainline J72s . all bought around 1978/9. When new they were
brilliant and all are still running [ one running bye just now !:-) ] as
bought. The connecting rods sometimes slip out of sync. TLC pays off
though. I think ( my opinion only ! ) that their hauling power is
incredible for their size. Incidentally my standard class 4 ( same vintage)
has never given a minutes bother and has had some pretty intensive running
over 20 years. likewise Royal Scots & Jubilee of same years.
Duncan
Ayr
osprey
>What happened to Mainline? My son bought an old Mainline J72 at the
> Cathcart exhibition today and I am very impressed by the quality. The
> only J72 I can find listed today is by Bachman. Is this the same model?
christopher replied
>The weak point was the mechanism and wheels - I have a BR
>standard class 4 whose wheels disintegrated over a long
>(admittedly) time.
I've got 3 mainline J72s . all bought around 1978/9. When new they were
brilliant and all are still running [ one running bye just now !:-) ] as
bought. The connecting rods sometimes slip out of sync. TLC pays off
though. I think ( my opinion only ! ) that their hauling power is
incredible for their size. Incidentally my standard class 4 ( same vintage)
has never given a minutes bother and has had some pretty intensive running
over 20 years. likewise Royal Scots & Jubilee of same years.
I hope to visit Cathcart tomorrow - if the wind and rain lets up
Duncan
Ayr
richmatt
were making other toys for Palitoy. After Palitoy pulled out Kader
continued, and Bachmann is a Kader subsidiary. Kader were making US models
for Bachmann in the States before they bought the company.
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Robert Pearce
<mi...@sunhill.co.yookay> writes
>In article <200010281...@zetnet.co.uk>, Alan Norris
>(alan....@zetnet.co.uk) said:
>> What happened to Mainline? My son bought an old Mainline J72 at the
>> Cathcart exhibition today and I am very impressed by the quality. The
>> only J72 I can find listed today is by Bachman. Is this the same model?
>
>I believe that Bachmann took over the Mainline range, and are still
>producing quite a few of their moulds - only with better mechanisms and
>detailing, as far as I know.
>
>
been new). It's a lovely model and a good runner, even after all these
years.
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martin soilleux-cardwell
<rail...@bdt-home.demon.co.uk> mysteriously altered some electrons
to write:
>In article <MPG.146534811...@news.clara.net>, MikeB
><mi...@sunhill.co.yookay> writes
>>In article <200010281...@zetnet.co.uk>, Alan Norris
>>(alan....@zetnet.co.uk) said:
>>> What happened to Mainline? My son bought an old Mainline J72 at the
>>> Cathcart exhibition today and I am very impressed by the quality. The
>>> only J72 I can find listed today is by Bachman. Is this the same model?
>>
>>I believe that Bachmann took over the Mainline range
The family tree of British-made model railway stuff is an interesting
one. Here's my take on it. If anyone sees any errors, please point
them out:
1) Rovex / Tri-ang / Tri-ang Hornby / Hornby - pretty much one
continuous manufacturer although Hornby have taken over a number of
ex-Airfix moulds and are now producing these (e.g. 14xx, Dean Goods,
61xx).
2) Airfix (became GMR). Became Replica. Became Dapol.
3) Mainline. Became Bachmann.
Can anyone amplify / clarify?
Martin
Mike Parkes
>The family tree of British-made model railway stuff is an interesting
>one. Here's my take on it. If anyone sees any errors, please point
>them out:
>
>1) Rovex / Tri-ang / Tri-ang Hornby / Hornby - pretty much one
>continuous manufacturer although Hornby have taken over a number of
>ex-Airfix moulds and are now producing these (e.g. 14xx, Dean Goods,
>61xx).
>
>2) Airfix (became GMR). Became Replica. Became Dapol.
>
>3) Mainline. Became Bachmann.
>
>Can anyone amplify / clarify
Yes - see http://www.mphgate.demon.co.uk/manufact.html
Basically you've got the Airfix/Mainline bits slightly mixed up.
Airfix GMR was acquired by Palitoy the owners of Mainline. Some of the
GMR stuff was merged into the Mainline range but was of manufactured
in a completely different way. The stuff left in the Airfix warehouse
was purchased by David Boyle who then founded Dapol. When Palitoy
moved out of the model and toy markets the Mainline Railways stock in
the Palitoy warehouse was offered to Boyle and he also acquired the
GMR toolings. The genuine Mainline toolings were owned by Kader who
were then commissioned by Replcia to produce a number of models before
Kader moved into the British market themselves in the guise of
Bachmann Branchline. Dapol copied a number of the Kader produced
models to produce new toolings for tehir own use and eventually sold
most of their toolings to Hornby. This explains the appearance of
simialr wagons in both Hornby and Bachmann Branchline ranges - the
Bachmann ones being made from the tools first used for the Mainline
range while the Hornby ones are the Dapol introduced copy. Kader
locomotives such as the Scot and 43xx which Dapol listed were simply
reboxed old Mainline stock, Dapol themeselves no thaving access to the
tools for any new production.
Mike Parkes
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Pat Hammond
<mi...@mphgate.demon.co.uk> writes
>Basically you've got the Airfix/Mainline bits slightly mixed up.
>Airfix GMR was acquired by Palitoy the owners of Mainline. Some of the
>GMR stuff was merged into the Mainline range but was of manufactured
>in a completely different way. The stuff left in the Airfix warehouse
>was purchased by David Boyle who then founded Dapol. When Palitoy
>moved out of the model and toy markets the Mainline Railways stock in
>the Palitoy warehouse was offered to Boyle and he also acquired the
>GMR toolings. The genuine Mainline toolings were owned by Kader who
>were then commissioned by Replcia to produce a number of models before
>Kader moved into the British market themselves in the guise of
>Bachmann Branchline. Dapol copied a number of the Kader produced
>models to produce new toolings for tehir own use and eventually sold
>most of their toolings to Hornby. This explains the appearance of
>simialr wagons in both Hornby and Bachmann Branchline ranges - the
>Bachmann ones being made from the tools first used for the Mainline
>range while the Hornby ones are the Dapol introduced copy. Kader
>locomotives such as the Scot and 43xx which Dapol listed were simply
>reboxed old Mainline stock, Dapol themeselves no thaving access to the
>tools for any new production.
That's a very good account but requires one correction. The wagons
Dapol sent out to China to be copied were mainly Airfix ones but with
one or two Mainline mixed in such as the small tank wagon. This event
occurred before they acquired the original Airfix tools from Palitoy.
When they came to sell their tools to Hornby the list included two sets
for some of the wagons. i.e. the original Airfix ones and the copy
ones.
Dapol also acquired some of the former Trix tools.
The muddle is unravelled in the newly released British Model Trains
Catalogue which shows the relationship between the various model
manufacturers during the 20th Century.
Pat
>
>
>Mike Parkes
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Mick Bryan
"martin soilleux-cardwell" <martins...@pipemedia.co.uk> wrote in >
The family tree of British-made model railway stuff is an interesting
> one. Here's my take on it. If anyone sees any errors, please point
> them out:
>
> 1) Rovex / Tri-ang / Tri-ang Hornby / Hornby - pretty much one
> continuous manufacturer although Hornby have taken over a number of
> ex-Airfix moulds and are now producing these (e.g. 14xx, Dean Goods,
> 61xx).
>
> 2) Airfix (became GMR). Became Replica. Became Dapol.
>
> 3) Mainline. Became Bachmann.
>
> Can anyone amplify / clarify?
>
> Martin
I'm fairly certain that Replica wasn't involved in the Airfix-Dapol
chain. If anything, Replica had more connection with some of the
mainline range.
ISTR that most of the Mainline (Palitoy) stuff was made under contract
by Kader Industries in the Far East and when Mainline went bang, most of
their range ended up under the Bachmann name (Bachmann are owned by
Kader)
And don't forget Lima - haven't they a connection with Rivarossi.
And then there's Trix, Lilliput and others. Isn't some of the former
Trix/Lilliput range now being produced by Dapol??
No doubt Pat Hammond will give us a definitive answer!
Cheers,
Mick
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Jim Ellison
> The family tree of British-made model railway stuff is an interesting
> one. Here's my take on it. If anyone sees any errors, please point
> them out:
>
> 1) Rovex / Tri-ang / Tri-ang Hornby / Hornby - pretty much one
> continuous manufacturer although Hornby have taken over a number of
> ex-Airfix moulds and are now producing these (e.g. 14xx, Dean Goods,
> 61xx).
>
> 2) Airfix (became GMR). Became Replica. Became Dapol.
>
> 3) Mainline. Became Bachmann.
>
> Can anyone amplify / clarify?
>
> Martin
Is there a reason for missing out the Hornby Doublo/Triang/Wrenn/Dapol
gyrations? I can't clarify but I think they're important.
(not forgetting the [unpowered] Kitmaster/Aifix models)
Jim
Pat Hammond
>I'm fairly certain that Replica wasn't involved in the Airfix-Dapol
>chain. If anything, Replica had more connection with some of the
>mainline range.
Replica are really part of the chain as they used the former Mainline
tools, having some improved for them by Kader, until Bachmann put a stop
to it. The B1 and Modified Hall in the Bachmann range are credited to
Replica who paid to have the models completed.
>ISTR that most of the Mainline (Palitoy) stuff was made under contract
>by Kader Industries in the Far East and when Mainline went bang, most of
>their range ended up under the Bachmann name (Bachmann are owned by
>Kader)
Palitoy designed their models and got Kader to tool them up and sell the
finished models back to them. The tools remained in the ownership of
Kader and formed the basis of the Bachmann Branchline range.
>
>And don't forget Lima - haven't they a connection with Rivarossi.
and Arnold and Jouef!
>And then there's Trix, Lilliput and others.
Trix is now with Marklin and Liliput with Bachmann.
>Isn't some of the former
>Trix/Lilliput range now being produced by Dapol??
Dapol have some tools and Bachmann others but the view is that if we are
to see the former British Trix models return, they will be made with new
tools. Much as they are looked on with nostalgia they contained a
number of inaccuracies. Hornby are supposed to have the Trans-pennine
tools, the models currently being released by Dapol are from the stock
of parts they had.
Pat
>
>No doubt Pat Hammond will give us a definitive answer!
>
>Cheers,
>Mick
>
>
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> > The family tree of British-made model railway stuff is an interesting
> > one. Here's my take on it. If anyone sees any errors, please point
> > them out:
> >
> > 1) Rovex / Tri-ang / Tri-ang Hornby / Hornby - pretty much one
> > continuous manufacturer although Hornby have taken over a number of
> > ex-Airfix moulds and are now producing these (e.g. 14xx, Dean Goods,
> > 61xx).
> >
> > 2) Airfix (became GMR). Became Replica. Became Dapol.
> >
> > 3) Mainline. Became Bachmann.
> >
> > Can anyone amplify / clarify?
> >
> > Martin
>
> Is there a reason for missing out the Hornby Doublo/Triang/Wrenn/Dapol
> gyrations? I can't clarify but I think they're important.
>
> (not forgetting the [unpowered] Kitmaster/Aifix models)
>
> Jim
And Graham Farish (when did they stop doing 'OO'?)
Stu
Jim Guthrie
<fudge...@aquacia.com> wrote:
Stu,
>And Graham Farish (when did they stop doing 'OO'?)
I think it was phased out when they started into N Scale - about the
late 60's/early 70's. I certainly remember using their Formoway flex
trackwork during the 60's on a club layout - they had certain items of
pointwork (like single slips) which Peco hadn't introduced at that
time.
Jim.
tony
a decision to stop the production of OO gauge and concentrate on the N
gauge system he introduced in 1970. However, production of the 94xx and
61xx tanks continued until the late 1970s, which is when the coach and
wagon production ceased.
From an interview with Peter Farish in Model Tracks Magazine, Issue One.
Tony Pritchard, Editor
Model Tracks magazine
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Before you buy.
tony
David Westerman
tony wrote:
However, production of the 94xx and
> 61xx tanks continued until the late 1970s, which is when the coach and
> wagon production ceased.
Bachmann Branch-Line Collectors Club Magazine No.2, in an article
entitled "The Graham Farish Story," stated that the OO gauge 94xx was
last manufactured in 1979, but coaches and wagons remained in production
until 1981.
The article is illustrated with colour photographs of items from the
Graham Farish archives and I found it very interesting. I hope though
that future editions of the magazine don't contain too many N gauge
articles to the detriment of OO unless the number of pages is increased
from 16.
Dave Westerman, Stafford