5 pole Motors in Tri-ang Loco's ?
Gary tibballs
I recently purchased a second hand Triang L1 i track tested it at home and
it ran incredibly smoothly,upon opening it up i found what looked like a
normal Triang XO3/4 type 3 pole motor except this motor has 5 poles,My
question does anyone know about these motors as regards who made them
(Triang?) and also where can I find some more?
Thanks
Gary
Keith Norgrove
There were at least two suppliers of these replacement motors, the one
I remember, in fact still have one running was the MW005. So far as I
know they are no longer available. More recently ECM did a triang
replacement that used a special adapter on a modern can, these may
still be available or you could devise your own mounting for a
Mashima.
Keith
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John Shelley
"Gary tibballs" <gz...@gzed1.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I recently purchased a second hand Triang L1 i track tested it at home and
> it ran incredibly smoothly,upon opening it up i found what looked like a
> normal Triang XO3/4 type 3 pole motor except this motor has 5 poles,My
> question does anyone know about these motors as regards who made them
> (Triang?) and also where can I find some more?
>
Could have been a Romford Bulldog. They are slightly chunkier than an X04
though. If it is same size I'd go with Keith's suggestion of a MW005
I seem to recall some dim and distant memories of someone doing a seven pole
version as well. Anyone else remember that?
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Dick Ganderton
"Bulldog" with a Triang X04 motor. The 5-pole replacement was just that
- presumable Triang X04 frames with a new 5-pole armature fitted so that
the motor looked just the same as the 3-pole version and fitted exactly
in its place.
A "Bulldog' probably wouldn't fit directly into a Triang L1 chassis
without a lot of modification.
All the above from memories of well over 35 years ago when I last used
Triang, K's, Pittman or Romford motors!
David A. Clark
(Keith Norgrove) wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:44:20 +0100, "Gary tibballs"
><gz...@gzed1.worldonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>I recently purchased a second hand Triang L1 i track tested it at home and
>>it ran incredibly smoothly,upon opening it up i found what looked like a
>>normal Triang XO3/4 type 3 pole motor except this motor has 5 poles,My
>>question does anyone know about these motors as regards who made them
>>(Triang?) and also where can I find some more?
>>
>There were at least two suppliers of these replacement motors, the one
>I remember, in fact still have one running was the MW005. So far as I
>know they are no longer available. More recently ECM did a triang
>replacement that used a special adapter on a modern can, these may
>still be available or you could devise your own mounting for a
>Mashima.
>Keith
>Make friends in the hobby.
>Keith
>Visit <http://home.freeuk.net/grovenor/
>Garratt photos for the big steam lovers.
Keith, what are you doing here?
Re. 5-pole motors, there was a company called M.R.R.C (Model Road
Racinc Cars), which seemd to merge wirh Airfix, many years ago.
They produced a 5-pole motor, based on the X04 frame, but with the
drive end plate much bigger than the loco motor.
It was quite wide & was formed into a "U" shape to hold the driving
axle, Drive was through a contrate or bevel gear, onto a 3/32" axale,
held in place with bushes.
The magent end of the motor had a plastic, sterring front axle bolted
through the pole peice lugs, so that the whole thing producd a rinning
chassis.
Quite fast with a 4/1 reduction ratio & could fit into quite small
cars, such as a 1/32nd scale MG. 1100.
The loco that you have was probably fitted with an MRRC replacement
armature, current consumption is higher than the original X04m but
it's a much better runner, as you have already stated.
Regards, David C.
(Wallowing in Slot-Car nostalgia!)
Karen & Kevin Martin
was no where near as good. Both are obsolete. Try the Ultrascale
motor/gearbox combinations - They consist of the ECM motor mentioned in
this thread with Ultrascales own excellent gears. I converted a Tri-ang
Polly & Romford wheels for test purposes. It ran successfully for a
weekend Exhibition on a Thomas layout where it continually switched from
forward/reverse with much slipping of wheels!!! A severe test???
Kevin Martin
DE Belcher
On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, John Shelley wrote:
> I seem to recall some dim and distant memories of someone doing a seven pole
> version as well. Anyone else remember that?
Another Romford offering, this one, called the "Terrier". Small but
surprisingly powerful; I believe it was intended for smaller OO locos and
the TT market.
David E. Belcher
Dept. of Chemistry,
University of York
a...@wsi.co.uk
> Re. 5-pole motors, there was a company called M.R.R.C (Model Road
> Racinc Cars), which seemd to merge wirh Airfix, many years ago.
> They produced a 5-pole motor, based on the X04 frame, but with the
> drive end plate much bigger than the loco motor.
They also did an X04-replacement motor that looked very similar to the
X04 and was a direct replacement (though you had to fit a worm gear
yourself IIRC). It ran much smoother and quieter than the X04, and
usefully slower too. I fitted several back in the 1970's, though
unfortunately one of them burnt out. If you fitted a single-start worm,
too, the locos would run *extremely* slowly. These motors can still be
found at swapmeets occasionally, boxed. I picked up one a month or two
ago.
Anthony.
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>
> "Gary tibballs" <gz...@gzed1.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:39f0...@news.server.worldonline.co.uk...
> >
> > I recently purchased a second hand Triang L1 i track tested it at home and
> > it ran incredibly smoothly,upon opening it up i found what looked like a
> > normal Triang XO3/4 type 3 pole motor except this motor has 5 poles,My
> > question does anyone know about these motors as regards who made them
> > (Triang?) and also where can I find some more?
> >
>
> though. If it is same size I'd go with Keith's suggestion of a MW005
>
I expect it's the 5-pole MRRC motor.
> I seem to recall some dim and distant memories of someone doing a seven pole
> version as well. Anyone else remember that?
Yes, a friend fitted one to a loco, but I never tried one. What make was
it?
Anthony.
Mick Bryan
"Gary tibballs" <gz...@gzed1.worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message
news:39f0...@news.server.worldonline.co.uk...
> Hi
>
> I recently purchased a second hand Triang L1 i track tested it at home
and
> it ran incredibly smoothly,upon opening it up i found what looked like
a
> normal Triang XO3/4 type 3 pole motor except this motor has 5 poles,My
> question does anyone know about these motors as regards who made them
> (Triang?) and also where can I find some more?
>
> Gary
>
>
Slightly OT.
<nostalgia mode>
I used to have a load of Tri-ang TT3 stuff and one of the area groups
(Woking?) used to produce 5 pole replacement armatures for Tri-ang power
units. They transformed the running qualities of the Tri-ang chassis no
end. One of the best runners I ever had was a 5 pole fitted Jinty
chassis under a cast whitemetal J72 body. They did 4 types, 1 for the
T90/91/95 chassis, one for the A1A, one for the DMU and one for the
XT60, fitted to the Pacifics and also I believe, to the OO scale
"Rocket". I used to be able to strip and replace an XT60 in about 4
minutes and 5 minutes for a T90. The A1A took a little longer and the
DMU was a right pig because of the combined sideframe/armature mounts
that held everything together. And IIRC, the replacement armatures were
relatively cheap.
The XT60 was (is?) a superb little motor.
</nostalgia mode>
Cheers,
Mick
Raymond W Twort
ke...@norgrove.worldonline.co.uk (Keith Norgrove) wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:44:20 +0100, "Gary tibballs"
> <gz...@gzed1.worldonline.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >I recently purchased a second hand Triang L1 i track tested it at home
> and
> >it ran incredibly smoothly,upon opening it up i found what looked like a
> >normal Triang XO3/4 type 3 pole motor except this motor has 5 poles,My
> >question does anyone know about these motors as regards who made them
> >(Triang?) and also where can I find some more?
> >
> I remember, in fact still have one running was the MW005. So far as I
> know they are no longer available. More recently ECM did a triang
> replacement that used a special adapter on a modern can, these may
> still be available or you could devise your own mounting for a
> Mashima.
> Keith
>
which i have fitted in a couple of EMU's, there was also Airfix MRRC but
only the X03 types, replacement armatures were also available to convert
X03/4 types to 5 pole.
As Keith said no longer available, unless anyone knowes different.
Ray
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Graham
What you probably are talking about is the MW Developments of
reading road Henley on Thames replacement armatures for the Triang X04
motor. I remember fitting many of them back in my days as Triang and later
service Agent.
I still have one of them in its original box which explains the address.
For interest, the one I still have is for the six wheel bogie that had the
nylon bearings inside the worms. The instructions read as follows:-
"To ensure good performance and protect the armature, the motor unit should
be remagnetised after reassembly. If your dealer cannot do this, return it
to us with 18p. to cover cost and return postage. Other work can be
undertaken at extra charge."
After checking I find that I still have at least one Triang loco with a 5
pole armature. It looks as though I will have to try and put it back into
service again.
Cheers from the sunny Gold Coast,
Down under in Oz.
Graham.
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Tony Darrah
> > I remember, in fact still have one running was the MW005. So far as I
> > know they are no longer available>
> Yes MW developments (they also did an armature for the Triang motor bogie)
> which i have fitted in a couple of EMU's, there was also Airfix MRRC > As
Keith said no longer available, unless anyone knowes different.
>Ray (Twort)
The MW Developments MW005 motor was designed and built by Geoff Wright, for
his father's firm MW Models. Geoff used to work for E.A.M.E.S. of Reading
(of blessed memory). The motor produced by Airfix MRRC was identical, and
produced by arrangement with MWModels.
Geoff gave up manufacture of the MW005 many years ago, but still runs
MWModels in Henley -on-Thames - also known as 'Everything Meccano' -
specialising in new and secondhand Meccano.
Tony Darrah
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