"VA" 4mm Scale Models -Bilteezi? sheets
Tony Charles
round to building them.
They look like they were printed in the 1950's (at least the state they were
designed and painted by Vacy-Ash Ltd, and they all bear his signature, one
is dated 1950) and it states the sole distributors messers hamblings, 29
cecil court, charing cross raod, London WC2.
I purchased them locally in the early 1970's and got some more about 5 years
ago.
I would like to get some of the missing sheets and would like to know if
anybody knows if I can still get any. If they are not still published a scan
would possibly help.
The sheets I have are
series A-sheet1 Semi detached houses
Series B sheet Model Dairy (this is the one with the 1950 date)
Series D sheet no3 large Barn (I had another sheet with some more of this
farm on it but it got lost/destroyed years ago)
Series D sheet no 4 Period Country house or hotel
Any information is welcome
Please contact me direct on tcha...@doc.govt.nz
Thanks
Tony Charles
Pat Hammond
>anybody knows if I can still get any. If they are not still published a scan
>would possibly help.
>
>
>
These sound like the Bilteezi sheets that were sold by Hamlings. When
Hamblings closed the stock of sheets was acquired by Ken Stubley of The
Engine Shed, 745 High Road, Leytonstone and the last I heard he still
had a good stock of them.
Pat
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Mike Kerslake
wrote:
>If these are no longer available, how about scanning them and putting
>them up on a website for everyone to download and enjoy?
Not possible because the sheets will be copyrighted. If someone was
able to get in touch with the original publishers/artist and asked
permission then it could be possible. But who knows where the rights
reside nowadays?
Shame really, there's so much useful stuff that would still be
relevant and useful today, but the means of legally re-publishing it
by getting permission are incredibly hard to get.
Best wishes
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Keith Norgrove
Kerslake) wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:09:09 +0200, Irvine Short <irv...@sanbi.ac.za>
>wrote:
>
>>If these are no longer available, how about scanning them and putting
>>them up on a website for everyone to download and enjoy?
>
>Not possible because the sheets will be copyrighted. If someone was
>able to get in touch with the original publishers/artist and asked
>permission then it could be possible. But who knows where the rights
>reside nowadays?
>
The rights reside at
The Engine Shed,
745 High Road
Leytonstone E11 4QS
020 8539 3950
The range is available.
Keith
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"Mike Kerslake" <pub...@welshnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:39377b3d...@news.cis.dfn.de...
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:09:09 +0200, Irvine Short <irv...@sanbi.ac.za>
> wrote:
>
> >If these are no longer available, how about scanning them and putting
> >them up on a website for everyone to download and enjoy?
>
> Not possible because the sheets will be copyrighted. If someone was
> able to get in touch with the original publishers/artist and asked
> permission then it could be possible. But who knows where the rights
> reside nowadays?
>
George
Kerslake) wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:09:09 +0200, Irvine Short <irv...@sanbi.ac.za>
>wrote:
>
>>If these are no longer available, how about scanning them and putting
>>them up on a website for everyone to download and enjoy?
>
>Not possible because the sheets will be copyrighted. If someone was
>able to get in touch with the original publishers/artist and asked
>permission then it could be possible. But who knows where the rights
>reside nowadays?
Publish and see who screams! - But seriously have you any idea how big
the files would have to be?
Mushy
a very limited part of the range available. Ken mentioned
that there is a possiblity that they may not do another print
run. Pity, as some of them are unique.
Mike Kerslake
(Keith Norgrove) wrote:
>The rights reside at
>The Engine Shed,
>745 High Road
>Leytonstone E11 4QS
>020 8539 3950
Well that one was answered pretty quick! :-)))
Cheers!
:-)
Mike Kerslake
wrote:
That's the real shame. Seen it happen before (not just with railway
stuff). Someone produces something for a few years, then they either
lose interest or suffer ill health or start a new project and the
product gets neglected or the masters/moulds/tools get destroyed (ie
Airfix & Kitmaster).
Crying shame :-((
Mike Kerslake
(George) wrote:
>Publish and see who screams! -
Now we know who has the rights perhaps not such a good idea! :-))
>But seriously have you any idea how big
>the files would have to be?
To get as good a quality as the original printed sheets, they would be
absolutely enormous for sure! ;-)
Chris Ellicott
>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:19:10 GMT, pub...@welshnet.co.uk (Mike
>Kerslake) wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:09:09 +0200, Irvine Short <irv...@sanbi.ac.za>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>If these are no longer available, how about scanning them and putting
>>>them up on a website for everyone to download and enjoy?
>>
>>Not possible because the sheets will be copyrighted. If someone was
>>able to get in touch with the original publishers/artist and asked
>>permission then it could be possible. But who knows where the rights
>>reside nowadays?
>
>Publish and see who screams! - But seriously have you any idea how big
>the files would have to be?
Well, I for one would alert the copyright holders immediately! The Engine Shed
is about the only surviving "traditional" model shop left in Greater London and
I'm sure that they would be happy to sell them to you if they have them in
stock.
Query - does Gerry Freestone retail them? - if not he's the obvious person to
take on the rights.
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Pat Hammond
l...@btinternet.com> writes
>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:19:10 GMT, pub...@welshnet.co.uk (Mike
>Kerslake) wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:09:09 +0200, Irvine Short <irv...@sanbi.ac.za>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>If these are no longer available, how about scanning them and putting
>>>them up on a website for everyone to download and enjoy?
>>
>>Not possible because the sheets will be copyrighted. If someone was
>>able to get in touch with the original publishers/artist and asked
>>permission then it could be possible. But who knows where the rights
>>reside nowadays?
>
>Publish and see who screams!
The rights reside with
Ken Stubley of The
> Engine Shed, 745 High Road, Leytonstone
Anthony New
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 19:02:30 GMT, george....@btinternet.com (George) wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:19:10 GMT, pub...@welshnet.co.uk (Mike
> >Kerslake) wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:09:09 +0200, Irvine Short <irv...@sanbi.ac.za>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>If these are no longer available, how about scanning them and putting
> >>>them up on a website for everyone to download and enjoy?
> >>
> >>Not possible because the sheets will be copyrighted. If someone was
> >>able to get in touch with the original publishers/artist and asked
> >>permission then it could be possible. But who knows where the rights
> >>reside nowadays?
> >
> >Publish and see who screams! - But seriously have you any idea how big
> >the files would have to be?
>
> Well, I for one would alert the copyright holders immediately! The Engine Shed
> is about the only surviving "traditional" model shop left in Greater London and
> I'm sure that they would be happy to sell them to you if they have them in
> stock.
Well if anyone is serious about putting this sort of "data" on the web, why not
attack it from a different angle? I guess all the Bilteezi stuff is based on real
buildings/walls/etc., so why not scan a photo of the original? For any photo *you*
make of the full-size thing, copyright will reside with you.
To reduce the size of the files, why not photograph just a section of wall (just a
few bricks, say), and allow the downloader to tile copies of the image in a
photo-editor to the size he likes before printing? Ditto windows, arches, etc.
Tiling in binary stages would be quite quick for a plain wall, and you could create
your own buildings and then print them to any scale you liked (including reduced
scales for background scenery).
You might even have the beginnings of a dot.com business! I wonder if Bilteezi.com
is registered . . .
Anthony.
Mark Fielder
why not
> attack it from a different angle? I guess all the Bilteezi stuff is based
on real
> buildings/walls/etc., so why not scan a photo of the original? For any
photo *you*
> make of the full-size thing, copyright will reside with you.
>
> To reduce the size of the files, why not photograph just a section of wall
(just a
> few bricks, say), and allow the downloader to tile copies of the image in
a
> photo-editor to the size he likes before printing? Ditto windows, arches,
etc.
> Tiling in binary stages would be quite quick for a plain wall, and you
could create
> your own buildings and then print them to any scale you liked (including
reduced
> scales for background scenery).
It's an interesting idea. The old Builder Plus papers were done
photographically and the results using those was very good. John
Birkett-Smith's Ashburton layout in N is done using these and Mike Raithby
(Manchester MRS Chee Tor) uses them as well.
Paint Shop Pro has an neat facility to make a seamless pattern for tiling,
but it needs careful use, as you can get a pattern that joins up, but when
joined up, looks "quilted".
Photographing real buildings is a bit of an issue, as you really need a
shift focus lens to get rid of the angular distortions of the wide angle
lenses it'll be necessary to use.
Hmm, I've got a digital camera. I might have a tinker with this.
Oh hell, sidetracked yet again...!
Mark.
Alan P Dawes
Mike Kerslake <pub...@welshnet.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:09:49 +0200, Mushy <ric...@Intekom.co.za>
> wrote:
> >I was in the Engine shed a few months ago and there's
> >a very limited part of the range available. Ken mentioned
> >that there is a possiblity that they may not do another print
> >run. Pity, as some of them are unique.
> That's the real shame. Seen it happen before (not just with railway
> stuff). Someone produces something for a few years, then they either
> lose interest or suffer ill health or start a new project and the
> product gets neglected or the masters/moulds/tools get destroyed (ie
> Airfix & Kitmaster).
I think it's economics. I believe that when Engine Shed acquired the
rights to the Bilteezi range, they invested quite a large amount of money
in getting high quality reprints made but the return on that money has
been very slow in coming.
Alan
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> Paint Shop Pro has an neat facility to make a seamless pattern for tiling,
> but it needs careful use, as you can get a pattern that joins up, but when
> joined up, looks "quilted".
>
> Photographing real buildings is a bit of an issue, as you really need a
> shift focus lens to get rid of the angular distortions of the wide angle
> lenses it'll be necessary to use.
>
should be mostly correctable digitally, if the art package can do
trapezium re-shaping.
> Hmm, I've got a digital camera. I might have a tinker with this.
>
Oh good! Please let us know how you get on . . .
> Oh hell, sidetracked yet again...!
>
I know what you mean. I get sidetracked so often I sometimes find
myself sidetracked back onto the original topic <g>
Anthony.
Mike Kerslake
<alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <39385588...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
> Mike Kerslake <pub...@welshnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> That's the real shame. Seen it happen before (not just with railway
>> stuff). Someone produces something for a few years, then they either
>> lose interest or suffer ill health or start a new project and the
>> product gets neglected or the masters/moulds/tools get destroyed (ie
>> Airfix & Kitmaster).
>
>I think it's economics. I believe that when Engine Shed acquired the
>rights to the Bilteezi range, they invested quite a large amount of money
>in getting high quality reprints made but the return on that money has
>been very slow in coming.
Oh right, I just sort of assumed he bought the remaining stocks that
were already printed and lying in a warehouse. I suppose nowadays with
so few proper model railways shops surviving newcomers or returness to
the hobby possibly won't even be aware of this range. And unless your
local model shop stocks it and displays it...
Times like this that you wish there was some sort of central resource
that people could consult to see what is available, preferably both on
the web and in printed form.
Will Salt
> Mark Fielder wrote:
> (snip)
> > Paint Shop Pro has an neat facility to make a seamless pattern for tiling,
> > but it needs careful use, as you can get a pattern that joins up, but when
> > joined up, looks "quilted".
> >
> > Photographing real buildings is a bit of an issue, as you really need a
> > shift focus lens to get rid of the angular distortions of the wide angle
> > lenses it'll be necessary to use.
> >
> I think it used to be called a "rising front". Without it the distortion
> should be mostly correctable digitally, if the art package can do
> trapezium re-shaping.
There are packages available for correcting aerial photographs which
would be ideal for this.
The way they are used is: the user selects three or four points on the
same horizontal plane, and tells the computer the actual relationship
between them, usually by identifying the same points on a map of the
area. The computer then spits out a perspective-corrected version of
the photograph.
Sounds like the ideal thing for doing the side of a building, as long
as you can rustle up a rough approximation of the elevation.
--
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Paul Lloyd
new kits.... Perhaps using a partly vector based format like postscript,
which the builder could then print out onto suitable card. I might have a go
sometime, if I have some free evenings.... It might be a way to goet back
into the hobby......... Though maybe I'd start with something a little
simpler, like PO wagon sides.... www.merco,com anybody??
What do others think??
In article <m3ya4kg...@candle.btinternet.com>, Will Salt
Mark Dickerson
>All of this is interesting.... I wonder about the possibility of artwork for
>new kits.... Perhaps using a partly vector based format like postscript,
>which the builder could then print out onto suitable card. I might have a go
>sometime, if I have some free evenings.... It might be a way to goet back
>into the hobby......... Though maybe I'd start with something a little
>simpler, like PO wagon sides.... www.merco,com anybody??
>
>What do others think??
Having just bought some Merco stuff, I find it diverting. I'm surprised there
isn't more on the Web: there a few card building templates, and even fewer
backscene photos/plans. There's one site that sells model-railway-type
graphics, but that seems about it for British stuff. Obviously a nice coach
side site would be pleasant, but I imagine we're asking a bit much for it to
be free.
Mark.
Jim Guthrie
wrote:
Mark,
>Obviously a nice coach
>side site would be pleasant, but I imagine we're asking a bit much for it to
>be free.
IIRC, Hamblings also marketed full colour coach sides on high quality
paper. I can't remember the trade name of the product now, but I
did buy some many years ago when I thought about building some
coaches. If the Bilteezi sheets are still available, the coach
sides might be as well.
Jim.
Mark Dickerson
>
>Mark,
>
>IIRC, Hamblings also marketed full colour coach sides on high quality
>paper. I can't remember the trade name of the product now, but I
>did buy some many years ago when I thought about building some
>coaches. If the Bilteezi sheets are still available, the coach
>sides might be as well.
Yes, the Merco range. The Engine Shed in Leytonstone have most of them. They
seem to vary slightly; I suspect some of them are originals and other reprints.
I've made up a couple of the wagons; obviously they look dated but they're not
bad and *cheap*. I do find it surprising nobody else has put something similar
on the Web; one could even print them out onto labels and it someone
enterprising could do some (perhaps generic) shells and underframes.
Mark.
Jim Guthrie
wrote:
Mark,
>one could even print them out onto labels and it someone
>enterprising could do some (perhaps generic) shells and underframes.
At work we use a lot of self-stick labels for tape cassettes and boxes
and with some of the Avery sheets, there's a lot of material left
over after the labels have been removed. I've been racking my brains
for years to think of a good use for these left-overs in railway
modelling.
Certainly, the glue used on these labels is normally very good -
having had experience of trying to remove labels from old tape
cassettes :-)
With CAD or a good vector drawing program, you could do your own
design and printing, and with something like CorelDraw and a good
colour printer, you might be able to get a good colour rendition as
well, with a final varnish coat to protect the material and possibly
put a bit of gloss on if required.
The problem is probably cutting the paper but not the backing so that
parts can be peeled off easily. I believe that there are machines
which can cut out lettering - basically a form of plotter with a knife
blade instead of a pen - but whether these machines are (1) cheap and
(2) able to work accurately with the small detail we require, I do
not know. But it might be worth some investigation - certainly for
something like flush sided coaching stock where, with windows cut out
and the label material stuck onto perspex, a very good representation
might be achieved.
And if you can get your printer to produce the right colour and the
lining as well, you've saved a lot of time. You could also do all
the lettering and company coats of arms as well - a quick scan of a
good photo of these details into a vector drawing program and reducing
to size would make life a lot easier :-). And because we are
printing on white paper, we can use any half decent (cheap) ink jet
printer rather than the Alps variety.
Jim.
Dick Ganderton
and floor were wooden mouldings, the sides were Perpex strips that were
glued into rebates on the roof and floor, while the ends were castings.
The lithographed paper sides were stuck onto the Perspex sides - after
cutting out the windows, of course. I built a GWR "B Set" for use on
Luton MRC's Bute Lane layout.
PC had a similar system, but with the clear plastic sides lithographed
directly.
Mark Dickerson wrote:
>
> Jim Guthrie wrote:
> >
> >Mark,
> >
> >IIRC, Hamblings also marketed full colour coach sides on high quality
> >paper. I can't remember the trade name of the product now, but I
> >did buy some many years ago when I thought about building some
> >coaches. If the Bilteezi sheets are still available, the coach
> >sides might be as well.
>
> Yes, the Merco range. The Engine Shed in Leytonstone have most of them. They
> seem to vary slightly; I suspect some of them are originals and other reprints.
> I've made up a couple of the wagons; obviously they look dated but they're not
> bad and *cheap*. I do find it surprising nobody else has put something similar
> on the Web; one could even print them out onto labels and it someone
> enterprising could do some (perhaps generic) shells and underframes.
>
> Mark.
Paul Lloyd
sides would anyone be interested in using them.. As I say, I'd regard it as a
way of getting back in to the hobby and not as something to sell... Is it
worth my while though... the magazines these days are horribly finescale, so
would anyone out there actually use them???
PJL
In article <393EB0...@graskop.demon.co.uk>, di...@graskop.demon.co.uk
wrote:
Mark Dickerson
Paul Lloyd wrote:
>All of which leads to the question... if I were to have a go at a few wagon
>sides would anyone be interested in using them.. As I say, I'd regard it as
>a way of getting back in to the hobby and not as something to sell... Is it
>worth my while though... the magazines these days are horribly finescale, so
>would anyone out there actually use them???
If they were put on the Web, I'd certainly take a look; private owner stuff
would be before (and after) my period of interest. As long as the website is
free or cheap, I can't see what you've got to lose. Even a fictional livery
could be interesting. It may all be using modern technology for something
rather old-fashioned (does anyone still sell PC Kits, as previously-mentioned)
or basic, but I think it's worth considering.
Mark.
John Sullivan
<pll...@ecel.uwa.edu.au>
>All of which leads to the question... if I were to have a go at a few wagon
>sides would anyone be interested in using them.. As I say, I'd regard it as a
>way of getting back in to the hobby and not as something to sell... Is it
>worth my while though... the magazines these days are horribly finescale, so
>would anyone out there actually use them???
Depends what they are. I am thinking that I could do with 100 or so
private-owner wagons, from the South Wales coalfield. And, I will
obviously need more than one of each (or even more than ten of each).
Having said that, if they are the sort of stuff I'm after, then *yes* I
would be interested in using them.
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Paul Lloyd
Following recent diacussion I've set up a little trial run of my idea for
revised Merco sheets. Please, if your interested have a look on
http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
and let me know what you think at. pll...@ecel.uwa.edu.au
regards,
paul lloyd.
Please, i'd be grateful for any comments on this effort before going
further........
a...@wsi.co.uk
>
> Yn erthygl <8hmo64$2mi$1...@enyo.uwa.edu.au>, sgrifenodd Paul Lloyd
> <pll...@ecel.uwa.edu.au>
> >All of which leads to the question... if I were to have a go at a few wagon
> >sides would anyone be interested in using them.. As I say, I'd regard it as a
> >way of getting back in to the hobby and not as something to sell... Is it
> >worth my while though... the magazines these days are horribly finescale, so
> >would anyone out there actually use them???
>
> Depends what they are. I am thinking that I could do with 100 or so
> private-owner wagons, from the South Wales coalfield. And, I will
> obviously need more than one of each (or even more than ten of each).
>
> Having said that, if they are the sort of stuff I'm after, then *yes* I
> would be interested in using them.
I know what you mean.
<nostalgia mode>
Many years ago I wanted a rake of china-clay wagons (actually two rakes,
one full and one empty!) and found some excellent full-colour card sides
in my local model shop which worked well when mounted on stiffer card
backing. I can't think of the name of the supplier now, but I still have
a few of the cards left.
I used mostly Triang or Trix wagon frames at the time, whatever was
cheap, with 3-link couplings and some finer-scale axle/wheelsets.
Considering (a) how toy-like most rtr stuff looked then, and (b) how
little scratch-building I had done, I was rather pleased with the
result. When weathered a little with matt paint and some whitish stone
dust added inside and out, they were quite reasonable; I'm sure that
construction would still pass muster today with some better (3-d not
flat) frames.
I certainly found the key was mounting the card sides on some thicker
material, otherwise they warped badly. The relative lack of shine from
card (compared with modern plastics) was a benefit IMHO and of course
they needed no "fancy" glues.
</mode>
I wonder whether they're still available?
Anthony.
Mark Dickerson
Paul Lloyd wrote:
>Dear all....
>
>Following recent diacussion I've set up a little trial run of my idea for
>revised Merco sheets. Please, if your interested have a look on
>http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
>
>
>and let me know what you think at. pll...@ecel.uwa.edu.au
Or, indeed, here. There's got to be a stand against all this modernist DCC
nonsense after all :)
Seems excellent to me. Not having Corel Draw I'd be all for usable .gif (or
whatever) files as well, if that worked, and maybe an outline-only option. I
wonder how effective something more drab would be? As I've said before, I'm
more British Railways-oriented, but I'd be tempted to do some fictional-place
wagons...
Now for that colour printer...
Mark.
Paul Lloyd
>
>Paul Lloyd wrote:
>>Dear all....
>>
>>Following recent diacussion I've set up a little trial run of my idea for
>>revised Merco sheets. Please, if your interested have a look on
>>http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
>>
>>
>>and let me know what you think at. pll...@ecel.uwa.edu.au
>
>Or, indeed, here. There's got to be a stand against all this modernist DCC
>nonsense after all :)
Yes, personally I like the irony of subverting modern technology to a
traditional use like this :)
>
>Seems excellent to me. Not having Corel Draw I'd be all for usable .gif (or
>whatever) files as well, if that worked, and maybe an outline-only option. I
>wonder how effective something more drab would be? As I've said before, I'm
>more British Railways-oriented, but I'd be tempted to do some fictional-place
>wagons...
>
>Now for that colour printer...
My intention was that the Tif version should be readable by most people. Tifs
have one advantage over gifs, in that they preserve a resolution setting, so
that the finished image should print correctly scaled. There's no way to
guarantere this with a gif, unfortunately. Its very easy to put the gif up as
well though......, which I'll dop in a moment.
An outline only option is also very ewasy to do, if people wanted it. I'm
working on as goods wagon now, to see how well something a little less
colourful works...
Paul.
>
>Mark.
>
>
>
>
Paul Lloyd
>Paul Lloyd wrote:
>>
>> Dear all....
>>
>> Following recent diacussion I've set up a little trial run of my idea for
>> revised Merco sheets. Please, if your interested have a look on
>> http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
>>
>> and let me know what you think at. pll...@ecel.uwa.edu.au
>>
>mark the window areas more clearly - perhaps with white rather than the
>glazing impression you have shown. I presume that the user will want to
>cut them out and use either internal seating or translucent window
>material.
I wasn't sure what to do about the windows.... me being a real
traditionalist, I probably wouldn't... but then on my layout you;'ll find
things like a rake of original dublo suburbans... so I quite like the
lithographed window look, maybe thats just me though.
>
>I haven't had a chance to run the coreldraw file yet; what version is
>it? And have you put things like the class numbers on a different layer
>to ease changes?
Good idea, though I had actually intended to do do a composite, break end etc
in similar style, still, it is a good idea & I shall do it in future.
Perhaps the same layers approach will get round the window issue??
Paul.
>
>Anthony.
rob_c...@my-deja.com
uzdh...@ermine.ox.ac.uk (Mark Dickerson) wrote:
>
> Paul Lloyd wrote:
> >Dear all....
> >
> >Following recent diacussion I've set up a little trial run of my idea
for
> >revised Merco sheets. Please, if your interested have a look on
> >http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
> >
> >
> >and let me know what you think at. pll...@ecel.uwa.edu.au
>
DCC
> nonsense after all :)
I agree. This looks encouraging, allthough I am unfamilliar with the
prototype( should be, somehere I have a copy of "Modeling in TT3" by the
Rev Beal!).
I have had a bit of a dable at this sort of thing and produced (what
I believe) was a very passable N gauge BR MK1 sleeper using a 300dpi
dye sublimation printer. This was about 5 years ago and better quality
is now available from much cheaper machines. The output was on gloss
paper which simulates a freshly cleaned flush sided carriage. I mounted
it on a smoothed down Farish body.
The big problem was the windows and I opted for a shaded grey rather
than cutting out. In N gauge, BH Enterprises ( usual disclaimer,
satified customer only etc) produce a nice range of coarch parts
incuding clear body sides so cuttin out windows is feasible if you
can be bothered.
Someone has just published an note in the Ngauge Society Journal
about using the same scheme and printing out onto overhead projector
film. I tried this and found the colour too translucent but it might
work with appropriate backing.
I recall having some TT LNWR coach side overlays in lithographed
card in the 60s which may have been W&H (alas also no longer extant)
I have also produced some spurious private owner wagons based on the
RCH design and printed them out on an inkjet. However, if I say that
they are for the carriage of rock-treacle you may doubt my bona-fides
as a modeler! Inspiration there was the old Peco Wonderfull Wagons
IN general I use the "2 foot rule" when modeling and whilst this may
not please the fine scale purists, it satisfys me.
Nice effort with the coach side. Scaleable too, one size fits all!
Regards
Rob Corner
Perth, Western Australia
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Before you buy.
Paul Lloyd
url, as before:
http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
Paul.
Mark Dickerson
Excellent - don't know if the planking is exactly necessary, though. Now for
some selfless individual to do all the various push-pull coaches/EMUs I need...
Something for my summer holidays, perhaps.
Mark.
Mark Dickerson
>Mark,
>
>you think the planking looks overdone?/
>
>Paul.
>
>
Externals are fine - meant the internal(?) piece.
I think one of the (several) downsides of this kind of thing is that (unless
you do internal sides as well) you have to make internal planking yourself,
and I tend to prefer a grubbier interior anyway. Therefore a print for the
interior isn't really my kind of thing, but I don't think it's bad.
Mark.
Paul Lloyd
you think the planking looks overdone?/
Paul.
In article <8i50ic$k4b$1...@news.ox.ac.uk>, uzdh...@ermine.ox.ac.uk (Mark
Paul Lloyd
Ah... all is explained. That piece isn't for the in ternal planking... being
a salt wagon, its the roof :)
Paul.
In article <8i53r2$m0h$1...@news.ox.ac.uk>, uzdh...@ermine.ox.ac.uk (Mark
Dickerson) wrote:
>Paul Lloyd wrote:
>>Mark,
>>
>>you think the planking looks overdone?/
>>
>>Paul.
>>
>>
>
Mark Dickerson
Paul Lloyd wrote:
>
>Ah... all is explained. That piece isn't for the in ternal planking... being
>a salt wagon, its the roof :)
>
>Paul.
Oops - I did wonder. Hmmm, but is a roof-piece really necessary either? I
don't think the Merco ones went for them, but it's your show. How easy would
ready-weathered wagons be?
Mark.
Paul Lloyd
>
>Oops - I did wonder. Hmmm, but is a roof-piece really necessary either? I
>don't think the Merco ones went for them, but it's your show. How easy would
>ready-weathered wagons be?
>
>Mark.
>
Weathberin is not difficult.... have added a weathered version at:
http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
Paul.
Mark Dickerson
Paul Lloyd wrote:
>>
>Weathberin is not difficult.... have added a weathered version at:
>
>http://www.af.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~plloyd/rail.htm
>
Looks good. I've just begun a Merco LMS suburban; cutting out is a bit of a
fiddle but once mounted it doesn't look too bad. Now that Bachmann do LMS
bogies as spares I've just got to find some underframe castings and I'll be
well away.
And now today's mystery: why don't Bachmann do an LMS push-pull coach? Eh?
Mark.
du...@aol.com
frank.l...@gmail.com
> I just came across this thread some 14 years later! Anyway I have about 39 of these sheets from series A through series F. Would like to sell them to someone that could appreciate them. Any idea what they are worth or any offers?
Only just found the thread! did you have any response??
cheers
FrankLT
hell...@hotmail.co.uk
They are rolled but in extremely good condition
Mike Smith
> I have 4 of these sheets. Originals I think. Charing Cross road and country scenes labels stoke on Trent
>
> They are rolled but in extremely good condition
http://www.freestonemodel.co.uk/
cheers
Mike
Jonathan Dancort
> I have had for some time a number of these sheets, and finally have gotten
> round to building them.
> They look like they were printed in the 1950's (at least the state they were
> designed and painted by Vacy-Ash Ltd, and they all bear his signature, one
> is dated 1950) and it states the sole distributors messers hamblings, 29
> cecil court, charing cross raod, London WC2.
> I purchased them locally in the early 1970's and got some more about 5 years
> ago.
> I would like to get some of the missing sheets and would like to know if
> anybody knows if I can still get any. If they are not still published a scan
> would possibly help.
> The sheets I have are
> series A-sheet1 Semi detached houses
> Series B sheet Model Dairy (this is the one with the 1950 date)
> Series D sheet no3 large Barn (I had another sheet with some more of this
> farm on it but it got lost/destroyed years ago)
> Series D sheet no 4 Period Country house or hotel
> Any information is welcome
> Please contact me direct on tcha...@doc.govt.nz
> Thanks
> Tony Charles
Hi all,
I wonder is any of you can help.
I have 9 "VA" "Builteeze" that I had planned to frame and put up in our Architectural office.
However, due to ill health all plans have been superseded and am looking for a buyer.
Happy to provide anyone interested with Photo's. I personally think they are a superb relic to days of modelling gone buy and would by a waste to cut these up, as I did when I was very young.
Please contact me on jdanc...@gmail.com
Thanks
JD