Adcock & Shipley

Stuart Pearson

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Jan 19, 2004, 11:42:24 AM1/19/04

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Hello Gentleman

Do any of happen to have a manual for Adcock & Shipley 2AG, or failing this
an idea of its weight? I was meant to be having one delivered today but the
seller (I have just purchased it on ebay) says his hiab will not lift it.
This has left me with a few concerns as to how big this machine really is.
Needless to say any help would be very much apprecated.

Stuart

Prepair Ltd

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Jan 19, 2004, 12:27:53 PM1/19/04

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It's pretty damm heavy, I have a 2E and it probably goes nearly a ton.

Get the Hiab man to shorten the jib a bit, if the radius from the main
pivot is reduced a bit the weight picked up will increase.

Kind regards,

Peter

Peter Forbes
Prepair Ltd
Luton, UK
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Stuart Pearson

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Jan 19, 2004, 12:36:21 PM1/19/04

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Thanks for that Peter, the gentleman with the HIAB is some what insistant
that it is more in the region on one and a half ton. Which seems very heavy
to me, would you be able to have a look at the machine on ebay and say if
you think it is a similar machine yours. The listing can be found at
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=2371679075

Kindest Regards,
Stuart

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Mark Rand

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Jan 19, 2004, 2:56:48 PM1/19/04

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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:36:21 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"
<newsg...@DELETETHISintel-forgot.co.uk> wrote:

>Thanks for that Peter, the gentleman with the HIAB is some what insistant
>that it is more in the region on one and a half ton. Which seems very heavy
>to me, would you be able to have a look at the machine on ebay and say if
>you think it is a similar machine yours. The listing can be found at
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=632&item=2371679075
>
>Kindest Regards,
>Stuart
>
>

The obvious thing to do is to remove the arm, the arbour, the table, the knee
and possibly the motor. hopefully the individual bits will be easily liftable
with the HIAB. putting it back together could probably be done with a good
engine hoist and a lot of ingenuity/wood blocks.

Good price ;-)>

Mark Rand
RTFM

Peter A Forbes

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Jan 19, 2004, 4:19:30 PM1/19/04

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Jesus! looks like he photographed it down a cellar with the lights out!! :-))

After a liberal dose of Paint Shop Pro I can see that it is very close to our
machine. We took the table off (four studs/bolts in the centre of the table, 2
in front and 2 at back) and lifted the table off, the drive for the power feed
runs up the middle of the knee IIRC, so it was quite an easy bit to take off.
The ram is another chunk as is the support casting.

I have a copy manual somewhere here that was kindly supplied by A. N. Other
cynical trader, (NOT J.S. for the record) I'll ferret it out and check to see
what weight is quoted if any.

.... and there is nought.

However, I do have a 1ES copy manual, and that quotes the smaller and lighter
1ES at 870kg to 936kg depending on model and equipment fitted, so you can reckon
that the 2ES is going to be 5cwt or so more than that, so your man might be
closer than we think... :-)) I don't think 1.5 tons, but certainly just over
the ton and a bit.

Peter

Mark McGrath

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Jan 19, 2004, 6:57:22 PM1/19/04

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I would think that being a No 2 machine it will be near 1.5 tons.A
Bridgeport weighs about a ton and there`s not a lot of metal in
it.Even then it can`t be much of a Hiab that`s trying to lift it.Ask
Landfleet Services in Leicester for a price,I don`t have his number
here but can get it if you want it.He can handle up to 8 tons.
regards,Mark.

John Stevenson

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Jan 19, 2004, 8:34:37 PM1/19/04

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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Peter A Forbes
<die...@easynet.co.uk> wrote:

>I have a copy manual somewhere here that was kindly supplied by A. N. Other
>cynical trader, (NOT J.S. for the record) I'll ferret it out and check to see
>what weight is quoted if any.
>
>.... and there is nought.
>
>However, I do have a 1ES copy manual, and that quotes the smaller and lighter
>1ES at 870kg to 936kg depending on model and equipment fitted, so you can reckon
>that the 2ES is going to be 5cwt or so more than that, so your man might be
>closer than we think... :-)) I don't think 1.5 tons, but certainly just over
>the ton and a bit.
>
>Peter

I shifted that 2E from the college move and I reckon it went in at about a
ton and a quarter, definitely over 1 ton.
A big problem with Hiabs is the operator, they stick the boom out and
expect it lift everything going.
The main lift in a hiab is the first ram / jib assembly, you need to get
this as vertical as possible to get the radius from the post to the end of
the first jib as short as possible.
Instead of operating with the boom stuck out you need to get the jibs in an
inverted vee shape or '^' for max lift.
Hiabs are rated in tons lift but not so apparent is the rating which is one
metre from the post so a 7 ton hiab will lift 7 tons at one metre,. Most
times not a lot of good as one metre is usually still inboard the truck
given that usual truck widths are 8'

The 2E from Beeston college went to a local company near here. Most of the
machines from that move had all the manuals and documentation with them.
If this was the case with the 2E then the book will have gone direct to the
owner, I only moved the machine.
I can check during the week and if they have these I'm sure I can borrow
them for scanning.

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John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

Stuart Pearson

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Jan 21, 2004, 9:53:08 AM1/21/04

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That would be great if you do not mind. Any infomation would be most
apprecated.

Stuart Pearson

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Jan 21, 2004, 9:59:33 AM1/21/04

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Thankyou so far for your infomation. If I was to remove the table, the ram
etc. how much weight do think we could loose without spend much more than an
hour taking it apart.

Stuart

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John Stevenson

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Jan 21, 2004, 10:39:20 AM1/21/04

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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:59:33 -0000, "Stuart Pearson"
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>Thankyou so far for your infomation. If I was to remove the table, the ram
>etc. how much weight do think we could loose without spend much more than an
>hour taking it apart.
>
>Stuart

Guestimate that will take it to about the ton mark, give or take the odd
kilo <g>

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Stuart Pearson

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Jan 23, 2004, 1:46:09 PM1/23/04

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First of all I just wanted to thank you all for your kind advice. Well I
have desided that taking it apart is the way to go. So tomorrow morning I
will be doing so. I will post picture on my website of the dismantlement,
the move and hopefully the reconstruct ltomorrow night.

Stuart
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Stuart Pearson

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Feb 4, 2004, 2:22:36 PM2/4/04

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I just wanted to publicly thanks John for his efforts it scanning the manual
and then posting me a CD of the resultant PDF. Above and beyond the call of
duty.

Stuart

Peter Smith

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Feb 12, 2023, 5:03:15 PM2/12/23

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Bit of a long shot here! But do you still have available the scanned copy of the Adcock Shipley 2E mill? I use one at Amberley Museum in Sussex and we really could do with one as ours came without any documentation way back. Came across this post whilst doing one of my regular internet searches for manuals for the machines we have. Thanks, Peter.

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