Control Of Weed Called "Selfheal" In Lawn - Help Please !!
tbg
I have several occurrences of a weed known as "Selfheal" in my lawn.
It has not reached the point where it is becoming rampant but I have
pulled up approximately 20 of the spreading web like shoots that I
have so far located.
On reading a bit about it I think I need to take some positive action
now rather than later to control the weed.
Can anyone please recommend an efficient treatment that I can purchase
in the UK to get rid of the "Selfheal" that will not compromise my
lawn.
Regards
"Anxious In Surrey"
Sacha
"tbg" <dog...@btinternet.com> wrote:
It's not a weed, it's a wild flower and is called Selfheal because it's used
to cure mouth ulcers and sore throats. It's a little ironic to think that
others might pay quite a lot of money for a wild flower garden containing
it! Perhaps you could allow at least a little patch to flourish?
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Robert Hibell
<sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk> writes
I grow some in our wildflower areas as it is a good butterfly and bee
plant as well as having attractive blue flowers. In a lawn it can be a
bit of a problem as mowing, even relatively close mowing, does not
control it. Scalping the lawn or grazing with sheep will but I don't
suppose that you want to go down that route. The only organic
alternative is to dig the plants up before they spread to far. Failing
that you will need to try repeated applications of a selective weed
killer such as Verdone.
--
Robert Hibell
Rod
First of all - why? it's an attractive native plant as Sacha has
already said. However if you must, it is a typical plant of rather
impoverished lawns that are probably very compacted and have probably
been mown too short. You can reduce it a lot by helping the grass to
compete more effectively. Mow frequently but set the mower a bit
higher. Do some work on relieving the compaction, a good feed now and
plenty of water if the monsoon hasn't yet arrived in your neck of the
woods. Scarify vigorously as well. I'd see how you do over a couple of
seasons of that before resorting to selective weedkillers. You'll be
surprised to see how the mix of grasses and other plants changes
according to how you manage it.
Kate Morgan
"
>> I have several occurrences of a weed known as "Selfheal" in my lawn.
>> It has not reached the point where it is becoming rampant but I have
>> pulled up approximately 20 of the spreading web like shoots that I
>> have so far located.
>>
>> On reading a bit about it I think I need to take some positive action
>> now rather than later to control the weed.
>>
>> Can anyone please recommend an efficient treatment that I can purchase
>> in the UK to get rid of the "Selfheal" that will not compromise my
>> lawn.
>>
>> Regards
>> "Anxious In Surrey"
>
> First of all - why? it's an attractive native plant as Sacha has
> already said.
Could you not bring yourself to leave it alone, I have lots of it on my
lawns and in the paddock and it is a beautiful little plant.
kate
Sacha
b705b18f-365b-429b...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, "Rod"
<rodcr...@lineone.net> wrote:
Does what you are describing mimic land grazed by sheep, Rod? I know I'm
off on a dream of my own here but I wonder if our Surrey gardener can't be
persuaded to start a new fashion in his corner of Surrey? (says she who
lived in Haslemere for a little time and thought then, in the 70s, that
Hostas were 'boring'!)
beccabunga
Dig them out.
--
beccabunga
tbg
the weed with a vigorous effort by attacking it with a selective
weedkiller with a follow up treatment later on.
In addition I shal make efforts to improve the general well being of
the lawn by aeration etc.
Now, wheres my nearest stockist of a large box of 2,4 dichlorophenoxy
acetate, prunella vulgaris will be vulgar no more, it will be dead.
Rgds
Des Higgins
You could just use tarmac or if you want a green look, try astroturf
or just get an apartment with no garden.
Cat(h)
:-) Some people have too much time on their hands, or plan to use
their lawns for putting practice.
My lawn is chocfull of weeds, including the selfheal in question, a
couple of patches. Lots of daisies, and white clover, the odd
thistle, docks and god knows what else.
But when clipped tight - which weather permitting I try to do every
week end - it looks lovely and densely green, and it is particularly
nice for a kickaround, or even to lie out on on the couple of days in
the year that that odd shiny hot object appears in the sky.
Between clippings, it is lovely and "enameled" (as they apparently did
in medieval times) with white and gold daisies, purple selfheal and
white clover.
Life's too short to be anal about lawns, in my book :-)
Cat(h)
Sacha
c7d294b8-9b5b-4b00...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com, "Cat(h)"
<cath...@yahoo.com> wrote:
The preoccupation with lawns seems to be an intensely British passion. That
slab of bowling green is essential to some peoples' peace of mind. In Crete
we saw several villas with immaculate lawns nobody ever sat on because they
all sat on the terraces of their pools. It infuriated the locals, to whom
water is immensely precious, to see it wasted on these meaningless bits of
greenery which aren't even useful to a goat! Our lawns have daisies, a few
dandelions, violets, some clover, and enchantingly, white violets on one of
them. Under a tree we have cyclamen, bluebells, daffs.
Des Higgins
We have 2 bumble bee nests in our garden and a wall of knee high
thistles, docks and ragworts in our wild bit. It depresses me when
people want gardens to be sterile and freak at the slightest oddity
and want instant chemical solutions. Yer man has selfheal in his lawn
because the lawn is shite not because he has been lax with his
chemicals. If he wants a nice lawn, he has to put some time in.
Spraying it will waste the money and give him a patchy lawn with bare
bits and the weeds will regrow in a while. If he wants a nice lawn he
has to scarify, aerate, feed and mow correctly.
I saw a clip on Nationwide a few weeks ago where some folks in
Cabinteely have made a wildflower meadow in the fantastic Cabinteely
Park. I was pleased to see that until, I saw one of them "weeding".
They explained that they did not want docks and thistles. I wonder
did she ask why greenfinches and chaffinches are now so uncommon in
the cities. They cannot feed on hanging baskets or weed suppressing
membranes.
I am in grumpy old man mood.
Des
Cat(h)
To be fair to the guy, he said this was exactly what he proposed to
do.
My idea of a lawn is obviously more relaxed than his, but it doesn't
either correspond to a wild meadow. I like my lawn to be reasonably
clipped tight and green. I would take action if I had bare patches.
My front tiny lawn is probably 40% moss, but I only scratch it once in
a blue moon. Once, I tried the feed and weed stuff - only to end up
with lots of nasty black patches around the place. I'd rather green
moss than black patches.
>
> I saw a clip on Nationwide a few weeks ago where some folks in
> Cabinteely have made a wildflower meadow in the fantastic Cabinteely
> Park. I was pleased to see that until, I saw one of them "weeding".
> They explained that they did not want docks and thistles. I wonder
> did she ask why greenfinches and chaffinches are now so uncommon in
> the cities. They cannot feed on hanging baskets or weed suppressing
> membranes.
Very true. I can afford to weed *and* have plenty of birds because I
am surrounded by horse and cattle paddocks and hedgerows.
>
> I am in grumpy old man mood.
>
It befits you wonderously.
Cat(h)
Martin Brown
> On Jul 30, 1:34 pm, Des Higgins <dazzhigg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 30, 6:32 am, tbg <dogf...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One mans meat is another mans poison, hence, I have decided to poison
>>> the weed with a vigorous effort by attacking it with a selective
>>> weedkiller with a follow up treatment later on.
>>> In addition I shal make efforts to improve the general well being of
>>> the lawn by aeration etc.
>>> Now, wheres my nearest stockist of a large box of 2,4 dichlorophenoxy
>>> acetate, prunella vulgaris will be vulgar no more, it will be dead.
>>> Rgds
>> You could just use tarmac or if you want a green look, try astroturf
>> or just get an apartment with no garden.
>
> :-) Some people have too much time on their hands, or plan to use
> their lawns for putting practice.
> My lawn is chocfull of weeds, including the selfheal in question, a
> couple of patches. Lots of daisies, and white clover, the odd
> thistle, docks and god knows what else.
I draw the line at buttercups, dandelions, thistles and docks. They are
not welcome although sometimes tolerated against the hedge or fence. I
encourage clover and various low growing wildflowers. I make a token
effort to discourage daisies once a year.
> But when clipped tight - which weather permitting I try to do every
> week end - it looks lovely and densely green, and it is particularly
> nice for a kickaround, or even to lie out on on the couple of days in
> the year that that odd shiny hot object appears in the sky.
> Between clippings, it is lovely and "enameled" (as they apparently did
> in medieval times) with white and gold daisies, purple selfheal and
> white clover.
> Life's too short to be anal about lawns, in my book :-)
I agree. Besides I like having some flowers in it. Some of the smaller
bellis plants will grow OK in a regularly cut lawn which allows for
daisy like flowers with a wider range of colours.
Regards,
Martin Brown
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
K
>
>:-) Some people have too much time on their hands, or plan to use
>their lawns for putting practice.
>My lawn is chocfull of weeds, including the selfheal in question, a
>couple of patches. Lots of daisies, and white clover, the odd
>thistle, docks and god knows what else.
>But when clipped tight - which weather permitting I try to do every
>week end - it looks lovely and densely green, and it is particularly
>nice for a kickaround, or even to lie out on on the couple of days in
>the year that that odd shiny hot object appears in the sky.
>Between clippings, it is lovely and "enameled" (as they apparently did
>in medieval times) with white and gold daisies, purple selfheal and
>white clover.
>Life's too short to be anal about lawns, in my book :-)
>
lawn has just produced its first clump of self-heal, to go along with
the white clover, daisies, et al.
--
Kay
Sacha
<k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
It's certainly horses for courses. As long as ours are cut and look fairly
tidy, I fin it makes the entire garden look tidy. But the joy of a little
patch of 'something pretty' springing up here and there can't be overstated
for me.
Jeff Layman
> The preoccupation with lawns seems to be an intensely British
> passion. That slab of bowling green is essential to some peoples'
> peace of mind. In Crete we saw several villas with immaculate lawns
> nobody ever sat on because they all sat on the terraces of their
> pools. It infuriated the locals, to whom water is immensely precious,
> to see it wasted on these meaningless bits of greenery which aren't
> even useful to a goat! Our lawns have daisies, a few dandelions,
> violets, some clover, and enchantingly, white violets on one of them.
> Under a tree we have cyclamen, bluebells, daffs.
I can't understand why people who call themselves gardeners bother with an
uninteresting slab of monoculture. Remove the turves, pile them up, and let
them rot down into decent soil, and rotovate what's left. Then you have a
nice, empty piece of land to turn into something attractive and/or useful.
--
Jeff
(cut "thetape" to reply)
tbg
This is your quote pasted below:
> Yer man has selfheal in his lawn
>because the lawn is shite not because he has been lax with his
>chemicals. If he wants a nice lawn, he has to put some time in.
>Spraying it will waste the money and give him a patchy lawn with bare
>bits and the weeds will regrow in a while. If he wants a nice lawn he
>has to scarify, aerate, feed and mow correctly.
Now, how do you know my lawn is shite, have you seen it, thought not?
It is just your uninformed opinionated scathing arrogance that leads
you to type such drivel.
In my first post I said that I did not have an epidemic of the
prunella vulgaris but said that it was giving me concern. I did not
mention any other detrimental points about my lawn.
For your information I have listed below my general annual routine.
1. March/April, handrake the lawn with a lawn rake to clear all the
winter worm casts and other debris.
2. Apply the correct dose rate of "Feed-Weed-Moss Killer" with a
Scotts spreader.
3. Allow 2 weeks for process 2 above to take effect then mow and hand
rake again.
4. Apply mid summer feed around July
I then keep the lawn mowed each week until November. Every other year
I hire a scarifier in the spring from HSS to give it a good clean up.
The one thing that I have never done is to aerate the lawn with a
hollow tining fork or general garden fork. Sure, the process could be
improved but I am generally happy with he results so far.
As a matter of fact, the lawn is probably in very good condition in
comparison to the general standard of lawns in the UK. My post about
prunella vulgaris was prompted by the lawn of a family relative been
ruined by an epidemic of the plant that got out of control and has
resited the efforts of professional lawn services. This caused me to
place my question on here for advice on how to get rid of this
specific plant.
So Des Higgins, please inform me how you know my lawn is shite having
never seen it.
Regards
Sacha
"Jeff Layman" <jmla...@thetapetcp.co.uk> wrote:
It depends on what you have available to you, though. If a lawn is your
sole recreational area on which to sunbathe, play, eat al fresco etc. I
understand it better, though not in the pristine, weedless sense. When it's
a square of hallowed green in front of a house and on which nobody treads
other than to mow it or weed it, its usefulness or desirability passes me
by. In those circumstances I'd do what my old grandfather did, pave it and
in his case make a flower bed in the middle - in my case, it would probably
be a water feecha. No way was Grandpa going to sit on a lawn beside a road
which was used by - ooooooh - at least a dozen cars a day 'back then'!
pb
dog...@btinternet.com says...
> As a matter of fact, the lawn is probably in very good condition in
> comparison to the general standard of lawns in the UK. My post about
> prunella vulgaris was prompted by the lawn of a family relative been
> ruined by an epidemic of the plant that got out of control and has
> resited the efforts of professional lawn services. This caused me to
> place my question on here for advice on how to get rid of this
> specific plant.
>
> So Des Higgins, please inform me how you know my lawn is shite having
> never seen it.
>
Where you made your mistake was in assuming you would get a useful
answer. This ng is for chatting by a select group who decide how your
garden should look. You may not grow it as you wish but must conform to
their ideas. The owners of the ng look down on anyone who has the
temerity to want a weed free garden and the worst crime of all is to use
chemicals. My advice to you is to brown nose the leaders for a while
and lose no oppotunity to tell them what good chaps they are, after a
while you will get to know the chief group and will be able to take
sides with them against others who do not conform. Then you may, only
may, be allowed to have an opinion of your own, but don't hold your
breath.
Des Higgins
> In article <11m1941hut656n4udcu2k2iibs50el5...@4ax.com>,
> dogf...@btinternet.com says...
That's it; you are not being invited to the secret inner cabal get
togethers any more.
Des Higgins
I am sure your lawn is wonderful and brings you enormous pleasure and
fulfillment.
I was concerned (clearly unduly as I now realise) that you were
stressed over a small plant and that maybe you should try astroturf
for a completely stress free gardening experience. I now realise that
you take your lawn very seriously and humbly apologise for any extra
stress I may have caused you and wish you many more years of spraying
and scarifying.
Des