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Emrys Davies
Jun 20, 2012, 11:55:15 AM6/20/12
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These foxes probably sleep in rough land which is adjacent to the bowling
green and they are progressively damaging the well kept green by digging a
few holes each night and also removing the earth from any that has been
repaired. I have no confidence in any repellant products on the market due
to an experience I had years ago when they damaged my heather garden, but I
am wondering if anyone has found a way to deter them. Following tips from
other bowling greens I have acquired a large number of 2 litre pop bottles
which I shall fill with water and hopefully that will frighten them off as
they are apparently scared of seeing their reflection in the bottles. Using
crushed moth balls is another suggestion, but I learn that they are now
banned.
green and they are progressively damaging the well kept green by digging a
few holes each night and also removing the earth from any that has been
repaired. I have no confidence in any repellant products on the market due
to an experience I had years ago when they damaged my heather garden, but I
am wondering if anyone has found a way to deter them. Following tips from
other bowling greens I have acquired a large number of 2 litre pop bottles
which I shall fill with water and hopefully that will frighten them off as
they are apparently scared of seeing their reflection in the bottles. Using
crushed moth balls is another suggestion, but I learn that they are now
banned.
Jake
Jun 20, 2012, 12:17:17 PM6/20/12
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:55:15 +0100, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:
There have been a few discussions here of late and I think the
consensus is that the only effective solution is an electric fence!
Can't speak for pop bottles but it used to be said that they were
effective against cats but I've never seen a cat scared by one ;-)
Cheers, Jake
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Urgling from Swansea Bay. Dave's at that end; I'm at this end.
Bill G's in the middle. Come to think of it, where is Bill G these days?
wrote:
consensus is that the only effective solution is an electric fence!
Can't speak for pop bottles but it used to be said that they were
effective against cats but I've never seen a cat scared by one ;-)
Cheers, Jake
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Urgling from Swansea Bay. Dave's at that end; I'm at this end.
Bill G's in the middle. Come to think of it, where is Bill G these days?
Christina Websell
Jun 20, 2012, 6:12:08 PM6/20/12
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"Jake" <Nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:55:15 +0100, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>These foxes probably sleep in rough land which is adjacent to the bowling
>>green and they are progressively damaging the well kept green by digging a
>>few holes each night and also removing the earth from any that has been
>>repaired. I have no confidence in any repellant products on the market
>>due
>>to an experience I had years ago when they damaged my heather garden, but
>>I
>>am wondering if anyone has found a way to deter them. Following tips from
>>other bowling greens I have acquired a large number of 2 litre pop bottles
>>which I shall fill with water and hopefully that will frighten them off as
>>they are apparently scared of seeing their reflection in the bottles.
>>Using
>>crushed moth balls is another suggestion, but I learn that they are now
>>banned.
>
> There have been a few discussions here of late and I think the
> consensus is that the only effective solution is an electric fence!
> Can't speak for pop bottles but it used to be said that they were
> effective against cats but I've never seen a cat scared by one ;-)
>
My cat sneers at pop bottles.
> wrote:
>
>>These foxes probably sleep in rough land which is adjacent to the bowling
>>green and they are progressively damaging the well kept green by digging a
>>few holes each night and also removing the earth from any that has been
>>repaired. I have no confidence in any repellant products on the market
>>due
>>to an experience I had years ago when they damaged my heather garden, but
>>I
>>am wondering if anyone has found a way to deter them. Following tips from
>>other bowling greens I have acquired a large number of 2 litre pop bottles
>>which I shall fill with water and hopefully that will frighten them off as
>>they are apparently scared of seeing their reflection in the bottles.
>>Using
>>crushed moth balls is another suggestion, but I learn that they are now
>>banned.
>
> There have been a few discussions here of late and I think the
> consensus is that the only effective solution is an electric fence!
> Can't speak for pop bottles but it used to be said that they were
> effective against cats but I've never seen a cat scared by one ;-)
>
Electric fences are good against foxes as long as you keep them charged -
the minute the battery fails you are in trouble, as they seem to know it.
I've had a difficult relationship with foxes attacking my chickens for some
years. My preferred method if they do it, is to put a piece of lead in
their ear.
Works quite well.
Emrys Davies
Jun 20, 2012, 8:18:09 PM6/20/12
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other birds which were causing the damage so to remove any doubt whatsoever
I visited the green at about 9.30 p.m. last night and made sure that all
holes were filled and that everything was in order. Then I sat in the
darkness of our pavillion and between 10 pm and 11.15 pm four foxes, in one
instance all at the same time, visited the green and, although the lighting
was not sufficient for me to see exactly what they were doing at the time, I
found shortly afterwards that they had removed the fillings from two holes
without there being a bird or other animal in sight. Now that we definitely
know the cause of our problem I will at first try the pop bottles and if
that fails total disturbance of their habitat must be an option and maybe
the odd visit by a Jack Russell. Should that not work I may seek the help
of our local council.
Doug
Jun 21, 2012, 3:06:59 AM6/21/12
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On Jun 20, 5:17 pm, Jake <Nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:55:15 +0100, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >These foxes probably sleep in rough land which is adjacent to the bowling
> >green and they are progressively damaging the well kept green by digging a
> >few holes each night and also removing the earth from any that has been
> >repaired. I have no confidence in any repellant products on the market due
> >to an experience I had years ago when they damaged my heather garden, but I
> >am wondering if anyone has found a way to deter them. Following tips from
> >other bowling greens I have acquired a large number of 2 litre pop bottles
> >which I shall fill with water and hopefully that will frighten them off as
> >they are apparently scared of seeing their reflection in the bottles. Using
> >crushed moth balls is another suggestion, but I learn that they are now
> >banned.
>
> There have been a few discussions here of late and I think the
> consensus is that the only effective solution is an electric fence!
> Can't speak for pop bottles but it used to be said that they were
> effective against cats but I've never seen a cat scared by one ;-)
>
Yes an electric fence seems to be a good deterrent. Once shocked they
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:55:15 +0100, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >These foxes probably sleep in rough land which is adjacent to the bowling
> >green and they are progressively damaging the well kept green by digging a
> >few holes each night and also removing the earth from any that has been
> >repaired. I have no confidence in any repellant products on the market due
> >to an experience I had years ago when they damaged my heather garden, but I
> >am wondering if anyone has found a way to deter them. Following tips from
> >other bowling greens I have acquired a large number of 2 litre pop bottles
> >which I shall fill with water and hopefully that will frighten them off as
> >they are apparently scared of seeing their reflection in the bottles. Using
> >crushed moth balls is another suggestion, but I learn that they are now
> >banned.
>
> There have been a few discussions here of late and I think the
> consensus is that the only effective solution is an electric fence!
> Can't speak for pop bottles but it used to be said that they were
> effective against cats but I've never seen a cat scared by one ;-)
>
don't go near it again.
Doug.
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Christina Websell
Jun 21, 2012, 5:46:23 PM6/21/12
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>>
> We were not absolutely sure that it was foxes as opposed to carrion crows
> or other birds which were causing the damage so to remove any doubt
> whatsoever I visited the green at about 9.30 p.m. last night and made sure
> that all holes were filled and that everything was in order. Then I sat
> in the darkness of our pavillion and between 10 pm and 11.15 pm four
> foxes, in one instance all at the same time, visited the green and,
> although the lighting was not sufficient for me to see exactly what they
> were doing at the time, I found shortly afterwards that they had removed
> the fillings from two holes without there being a bird or other animal in
> sight. Now that we definitely know the cause of our problem I will at
> first try the pop bottles and if that fails total disturbance of their
> habitat must be an option and maybe the odd visit by a Jack Russell.
> Should that not work I may seek the help of our local council.
>
>
Lots of luck with getting a council involved. Foxes are not considered
> We were not absolutely sure that it was foxes as opposed to carrion crows
> or other birds which were causing the damage so to remove any doubt
> whatsoever I visited the green at about 9.30 p.m. last night and made sure
> that all holes were filled and that everything was in order. Then I sat
> in the darkness of our pavillion and between 10 pm and 11.15 pm four
> foxes, in one instance all at the same time, visited the green and,
> although the lighting was not sufficient for me to see exactly what they
> were doing at the time, I found shortly afterwards that they had removed
> the fillings from two holes without there being a bird or other animal in
> sight. Now that we definitely know the cause of our problem I will at
> first try the pop bottles and if that fails total disturbance of their
> habitat must be an option and maybe the odd visit by a Jack Russell.
> Should that not work I may seek the help of our local council.
>
>
life-threatening here (and they aren't, normally) so no help will come from
there.
You will have to do it yourself.
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Christina Websell
Jun 21, 2012, 5:59:49 PM6/21/12
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> On 2012-06-21 01:18:09 +0100, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net> said:
>
>
> I'm told they don't like alpacas...!
>
Alpacas and llamas will soon see off a fox, but I doubt they can be kept on
a bowling green.
I wish I had enough room for a couple of alpacas at my house. Foxes after
my chickens are the bane of my life.
After a huge kill during the day, when I filled several sacks with my dead
chickens, which almost broke my heart, I declared war on them.
Emrys Davies
Jun 21, 2012, 6:00:28 PM6/21/12
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Yes, you are right. Spoke to the council today and they have a neutral
policy regarding foxes. I have totally disturbed the foxes sleeping area on
nearby waste land and will visit it regularly in an endeavour to encourage
them to move on and hopefully that will work. The pop bottles are in place
so I am hoping that they will have the desired effect.
policy regarding foxes. I have totally disturbed the foxes sleeping area on
nearby waste land and will visit it regularly in an endeavour to encourage
them to move on and hopefully that will work. The pop bottles are in place
so I am hoping that they will have the desired effect.
Christina Websell
Jun 21, 2012, 6:06:35 PM6/21/12
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> On 2012-06-21 22:46:23 +0100, "Christina Websell"
> Not necessarily, if it's an amenity provided by the Council or funded by
> it in some way.
>
Just as a matter of interest, Sacha, phone your local council tomorrow and
tell them you having a problem with foxes.
See what they say and report back ;-)
Tina
> On 2012-06-21 22:46:23 +0100, "Christina Websell"
> it in some way.
>
Just as a matter of interest, Sacha, phone your local council tomorrow and
tell them you having a problem with foxes.
See what they say and report back ;-)
Tina
Christina Websell
Jun 21, 2012, 6:28:12 PM6/21/12
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Continually disturbing their sleeping area might work. Forget the pop
bottles. I've seen the pop bottle idea mooted many times against cats,
foxes. Why would it be effective? Why would a fox be scared of a pop
bottle? they aren't.
bottles. I've seen the pop bottle idea mooted many times against cats,
foxes. Why would it be effective? Why would a fox be scared of a pop
bottle? they aren't.
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Emrys Davies
Jun 22, 2012, 6:08:15 AM6/22/12
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Apparently they see their reflection in the bottle full of water and that
scares them off. I am about to go and to see if the bottles worked last
night and will let you know.
scares them off. I am about to go and to see if the bottles worked last
night and will let you know.
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D. T. Green
Jun 22, 2012, 6:27:11 AM6/22/12
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if it was about reflection in the water bottles then mirrors would be
better, so it cant be that.
you see a lot of plastic bottles with water in, around plants in tokyo and
it has been done for many years, so it must work.
i've seen twenty or thirty bottles lined up before now. any sensible
suggestions as to why it works? one suggestion is they know its clean water
and dont like to disturb what might be a drinking source. (all instinctive
of course)
what about the movement activated very high pitch noise thingy, you used to
be able to buy?
Emrys Davies
Jun 22, 2012, 8:17:23 AM6/22/12
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> Some say that (human) male urine is a deterrent. How you go about that is
> up to you! This 'neutral policy' thing is silly. If foxes did have
> fluffy coats but were rats digging up a local amenity, they'd sing a
> different tune.
I have no confidence in any liquid whatsoever as years ago I bought Renadine
(no longer available) to deter foxes which were digging up my heather
cuttings. I dunked teabags in it and placed them in jars as recommended
only to see the foxes messing around with the jars in the early hours.
> up to you! This 'neutral policy' thing is silly. If foxes did have
> fluffy coats but were rats digging up a local amenity, they'd sing a
> different tune.
I have no confidence in any liquid whatsoever as years ago I bought Renadine
(no longer available) to deter foxes which were digging up my heather
cuttings. I dunked teabags in it and placed them in jars as recommended
only to see the foxes messing around with the jars in the early hours.
Emrys Davies
Jun 22, 2012, 8:26:52 AM6/22/12
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It was a very wet night and and not much damage, if any, is caused on such
nights, but something had slightly disturbed the surface of two holes and a
fox had defecated on the green. Will give it a longer trial period.
nights, but something had slightly disturbed the surface of two holes and a
fox had defecated on the green. Will give it a longer trial period.
Emrys Davies
Jun 22, 2012, 9:14:23 AM6/22/12
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method and so I was persuaded, but I must say that I have my real doubts. I
am studying high frequency, ultrasound and sonic repellants on Google and
one of their inadequacies in my case would appear to be the distance they
cover. Our green is about 35 yards square and corner to corner is probably
50 yards or so.
Janet
Jun 22, 2012, 9:23:13 AM6/22/12
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In article <a4iv7n...@mid.individual.net>, sa...@nowhere.com says...
"Foxes are not classed as pests in the urban environment and as such
Leicester City Council does not take any action to treat for foxes.
Foxes inhabit the external environment and will not infest our homes like
rats and mice do. This means that humans are unlikely to come into close
enough contact with a fox to catch any diseases from them. This means that
foxes do not pose any health risk to humans in their natural habitat"
http://www.leicester.gov.uk/your-council-services/ep/environmental-
health-licensing/pest-control/foxes/
Janet.
> Some say that (human) male urine is a deterrent. How you go about that
> is up to you! This 'neutral policy' thing is silly.
Rubbish. Tina's local council says
> is up to you! This 'neutral policy' thing is silly.
"Foxes are not classed as pests in the urban environment and as such
Leicester City Council does not take any action to treat for foxes.
Foxes inhabit the external environment and will not infest our homes like
rats and mice do. This means that humans are unlikely to come into close
enough contact with a fox to catch any diseases from them. This means that
foxes do not pose any health risk to humans in their natural habitat"
http://www.leicester.gov.uk/your-council-services/ep/environmental-
health-licensing/pest-control/foxes/
Janet.
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Emrys Davies
Jun 22, 2012, 11:31:52 AM6/22/12
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It is surrounded by houses and a public house, but the houses are quite a
distance away (long gardens and the green's spare land) and the residents
could be consulted, but do you think that that lighting would frighten them
away? In any case the green is roughly 1,225 square yards. The quite
strong lighting from the pub's. big patio shows up the whole of the green
quite well until about midnight and the foxes run around on it quite freely
from about 9.45 p.m. and during that time there is much noise from the
patrons as they use the smoking area. None of this deters the foxes.
> On 2012-06-22 14:14:23 +0100, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net> said:
>
>>
>> "D. T. Green" <gre...@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:js1ha5$plv$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> <snip>
>
>>
>> "D. T. Green" <gre...@mail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:js1ha5$plv$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> if it was about reflection in the water bottles then mirrors would be
>>> better, so it cant be that.
>>>
>>> you see a lot of plastic bottles with water in, around plants in tokyo
>>> and it has been done for many years, so it must work.
>>>
>>> i've seen twenty or thirty bottles lined up before now. any sensible
>>> suggestions as to why it works? one suggestion is they know its clean
>>> water and dont like to disturb what might be a drinking source. (all
>>> instinctive of course)
>>>
>>> what about the movement activated very high pitch noise thingy, you used
>>> to be able to buy?
>>
>> Three bowling green persons who I have spoken to swear by the water
>> bottles method and so I was persuaded, but I must say that I have my real
>> doubts. I am studying high frequency, ultrasound and sonic repellants on
>> Google and one of their inadequacies in my case would appear to be the
>> distance they cover. Our green is about 35 yards square and corner to
>> corner is probably 50 yards or so.
>>
>
> Is it too close to housing for automatic lighting to be used?
>>> if it was about reflection in the water bottles then mirrors would be
>>> better, so it cant be that.
>>>
>>> you see a lot of plastic bottles with water in, around plants in tokyo
>>> and it has been done for many years, so it must work.
>>>
>>> i've seen twenty or thirty bottles lined up before now. any sensible
>>> suggestions as to why it works? one suggestion is they know its clean
>>> water and dont like to disturb what might be a drinking source. (all
>>> instinctive of course)
>>>
>>> what about the movement activated very high pitch noise thingy, you used
>>> to be able to buy?
>>
>> Three bowling green persons who I have spoken to swear by the water
>> bottles method and so I was persuaded, but I must say that I have my real
>> doubts. I am studying high frequency, ultrasound and sonic repellants on
>> Google and one of their inadequacies in my case would appear to be the
>> distance they cover. Our green is about 35 yards square and corner to
>> corner is probably 50 yards or so.
>>
>
It is surrounded by houses and a public house, but the houses are quite a
distance away (long gardens and the green's spare land) and the residents
could be consulted, but do you think that that lighting would frighten them
away? In any case the green is roughly 1,225 square yards. The quite
strong lighting from the pub's. big patio shows up the whole of the green
quite well until about midnight and the foxes run around on it quite freely
from about 9.45 p.m. and during that time there is much noise from the
patrons as they use the smoking area. None of this deters the foxes.
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Jun 22, 2012, 6:05:37 PM6/22/12
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LOL. was that the fox opinion of the pop bottles?
>
>
>
>
Christina Websell
Jun 22, 2012, 6:13:48 PM6/22/12
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Absolutely not.
In any case the green is roughly 1,225 square yards. The quite
> strong lighting from the pub's. big patio shows up the whole of the green
> quite well until about midnight and the foxes run around on it quite
> freely from about 9.45 p.m. and during that time there is much noise from
> the patrons as they use the smoking area. None of this deters the foxes.
So what do you think you have to do?
In any case the green is roughly 1,225 square yards. The quite
> strong lighting from the pub's. big patio shows up the whole of the green
> quite well until about midnight and the foxes run around on it quite
> freely from about 9.45 p.m. and during that time there is much noise from
> the patrons as they use the smoking area. None of this deters the foxes.
David Hill
Jun 22, 2012, 6:24:58 PM6/22/12
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>>> Is it too close to housing for automatic lighting to be used?
>>
>> It is surrounded by houses and a public house, but the houses are
>> quite a distance away (long gardens and the green's spare land) and
>> the residents could be consulted, but do you think that that lighting
>> would frighten them away? In any case the green is roughly 1,225
>> square yards. The quite strong lighting from the pub's. big patio
>> shows up the whole of the green quite well until about midnight and
>> the foxes run around on it quite freely from about 9.45 p.m. and
>> during that time there is much noise from the patrons as they use the
>> smoking area. None of this deters the foxes.
>
> sound too bold! I was thinking that if it's normally dark there and
> lights come on suddenly, it might startle them. From stories like yours
> - and there are several - I think we begin to see why hunting started,
> whatever one may feel about that in modern times.
Have a look at these fox deterrents
http://www.electricfence-online.co.uk/shop/pest-deterrents/fox-deterrents.html
David @ the wet end of Swansea bay
Emrys Davies
Jun 22, 2012, 6:59:00 PM6/22/12
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and we would need quite a few such devices to cover the ground. Fox Watch
(Ł43.25) appears to be the best and that covers 1350 sq ft so we would need
eight of those (Ł346.00) and then we would only be experimenting.
Emrys Davies
Jun 22, 2012, 7:06:50 PM6/22/12
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We have a free offer of a cage and we are thinking about that. How far
would a fox have to travel before it loses its sense of whereabouts? I know
there a rules about caging and dispatching and that foxes taken to another
area find difficulty in adapting because of territory issues.
would a fox have to travel before it loses its sense of whereabouts? I know
there a rules about caging and dispatching and that foxes taken to another
area find difficulty in adapting because of territory issues.
Christina Websell
Jun 22, 2012, 7:39:04 PM6/22/12
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If you choose to get a catch alive cage/trap (which I did) you cannot
release them elsewhere because of territory difficulties.
If you get a trap like this you have to know that they have to be shot
inside the trap and not released into an area miles away where the resident
foxes will take a dim view and probably kill them. It's cruel to release
them in a new area, believing you are kind.
release them elsewhere because of territory difficulties.
If you get a trap like this you have to know that they have to be shot
inside the trap and not released into an area miles away where the resident
foxes will take a dim view and probably kill them. It's cruel to release
them in a new area, believing you are kind.
David Hill
Jun 23, 2012, 5:33:20 AM6/23/12
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them, or find out where they enter and cover that part with a device.
David
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Jun 23, 2012, 8:10:12 AM6/23/12
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They enter from three sides of the green (3x35 yds) and they have caused
damage over most of the green.
damage over most of the green.
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Jun 23, 2012, 8:26:34 AM6/23/12
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Thanks. I have been made aware of all that by a pest control person with
whom I discussed our problem. It appears that there are only two realistic
options: electric fencing or caging and dispatch. Should we decide on an
electric fence we will have to give thought to patrons of the licensed
house, some of whom trespass on our green at night and mess about. We have
to tolerate that as entry is quite easy, but they are not much of a problem.
Also, the brewery will have to be told as it is their property. Cost will
probably be the deciding factor.
whom I discussed our problem. It appears that there are only two realistic
options: electric fencing or caging and dispatch. Should we decide on an
electric fence we will have to give thought to patrons of the licensed
house, some of whom trespass on our green at night and mess about. We have
to tolerate that as entry is quite easy, but they are not much of a problem.
Also, the brewery will have to be told as it is their property. Cost will
probably be the deciding factor.
Emrys Davies
Jun 23, 2012, 8:28:05 AM6/23/12
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> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:10:12 +0100, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net>
>>>> would need eight of those (£346.00) and then we would only be
>>>> experimenting.
>>>
>>>
>>> You cpuld try one to cover the area they are diging and see if it stops
>>> them, or find out where they enter and cover that part with a device.
>>> David
>>>
>>
>>They enter from three sides of the green (3x35 yds) and they have caused
>>damage over most of the green.
>
> Get a pack of Rotweilers or similar?
>>>
>>>
>>> You cpuld try one to cover the area they are diging and see if it stops
>>> them, or find out where they enter and cover that part with a device.
>>> David
>>>
>>
>>They enter from three sides of the green (3x35 yds) and they have caused
>>damage over most of the green.
>
> --
>
> Martin
>
That would do it but
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Jun 23, 2012, 8:59:43 AM6/23/12
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In article <gldbu79hr7c3i0o6m...@4ax.com>,
m...@address.invalid says...
> Borrow the local hunt's foxhound pack?
Hunting foxes with dogs is illegal.
Janet
m...@address.invalid says...
> Borrow the local hunt's foxhound pack?
Hunting foxes with dogs is illegal.
Janet
Emrys Davies
Jun 23, 2012, 2:43:24 PM6/23/12
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David Hill
Jun 23, 2012, 5:21:06 PM6/23/12
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full gallop
Janet
Jun 23, 2012, 6:50:31 PM6/23/12
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In article <a4mq9u...@mid.individual.net>, da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk
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Or even a full pack of hounds :-)
Janet
says...
Janet
Emrys Davies
Jun 23, 2012, 7:11:44 PM6/23/12
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Yes I agree; I let you in for that.
Peter James
Jun 24, 2012, 5:15:52 AM6/24/12
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whole of the perimeter of the green, and it would cost you less than
Ł100. If you have mains electricity available so much the better as you
can purchase a mains operated fencer for that sort of money.
I'm positive that that would sort out your problem.
Peter
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It is necessary for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph.
Attributed to Edmund Burke 1729 - 1797
Emrys Davies
Jun 24, 2012, 9:55:23 AM6/24/12
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>> >> would need eight of those (£346.00) and then we would only be
>> >> experimenting.
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>> > You cpuld try one to cover the area they are diging and see if it stops
>> > them, or find out where they enter and cover that part with a device.
>> > David
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>> They enter from three sides of the green (3x35 yds) and they have caused
>> damage over most of the green.
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> You could quite easily purchase a small electric fencer and cover the
> whole of the perimeter of the green, and it would cost you less than
> £100. If you have mains electricity available so much the better as you
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>> > You cpuld try one to cover the area they are diging and see if it stops
>> > them, or find out where they enter and cover that part with a device.
>> > David
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>> They enter from three sides of the green (3x35 yds) and they have caused
>> damage over most of the green.
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> You could quite easily purchase a small electric fencer and cover the
> whole of the perimeter of the green, and it would cost you less than
> can purchase a mains operated fencer for that sort of money.
> I'm positive that that would sort out your problem.
We may well have to resort to this, but I am somewhat reluctant at the
> I'm positive that that would sort out your problem.
moment due to practicalities. How many strands would you need in order for
it to be effective as they are good jumpers? Where would it be obtainable
at that price? Children and adults sometimes visit the green without
permission and mess about. Have you considered that aspect?
Christina Websell
Jun 24, 2012, 5:01:54 PM6/24/12
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Hah, I kind of like the idea of inebriated people trespassing on a bowling
green getting zapped by an electric fence. You will of course need to Put
A Notice Up to advise them not to do so to cover yourself in law.
If I could have used an electric fence against the foxes I would have done
so. I already had one for my goat paddock but my garden is very long and
narrow with lots of trees and shrubs on the boundary so it was not an
option.
After a big hit with 20-odd chickens killed in one day during daylight hours
when I was at work, I reluctantly decided on the trap and dispatch method.
I caught 39 in 3 years. 3 in a week once. I'm not proud of it, but
sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
IME, an electric fence might sort your problem out. Trap and dispatch is
for when an electric fence can't work for your situation and there is
nothing else.
Tina
green getting zapped by an electric fence. You will of course need to Put
A Notice Up to advise them not to do so to cover yourself in law.
If I could have used an electric fence against the foxes I would have done
so. I already had one for my goat paddock but my garden is very long and
narrow with lots of trees and shrubs on the boundary so it was not an
option.
After a big hit with 20-odd chickens killed in one day during daylight hours
when I was at work, I reluctantly decided on the trap and dispatch method.
I caught 39 in 3 years. 3 in a week once. I'm not proud of it, but
sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
IME, an electric fence might sort your problem out. Trap and dispatch is
for when an electric fence can't work for your situation and there is
nothing else.
Tina
Doug
Jun 25, 2012, 2:36:39 AM6/25/12
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On Jun 24, 10:01 pm, "Christina Websell"
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Electric fence kits are usually supplied with such a notice.
the chickens are. They can also determine which route through the
garden the foxes are likely to take.
Ironically, foxes give my pond electric fence a wide berth and then
jump over the nearby boundary fence to kill my neighbour's unprotected
chickens. Before I installed the electric fence the foxes used to pull
my plant pots our of the pond and gnaw at the liner, etc.
Doug.
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> If I could have used an electric fence against the foxes I would have done
> so. I already had one for my goat paddock but my garden is very long and
> narrow with lots of trees and shrubs on the boundary so it was not an
> option.
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Electric fences could be used just in critical areas, such as where
> If I could have used an electric fence against the foxes I would have done
> so. I already had one for my goat paddock but my garden is very long and
> narrow with lots of trees and shrubs on the boundary so it was not an
> option.
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the chickens are. They can also determine which route through the
garden the foxes are likely to take.
Ironically, foxes give my pond electric fence a wide berth and then
jump over the nearby boundary fence to kill my neighbour's unprotected
chickens. Before I installed the electric fence the foxes used to pull
my plant pots our of the pond and gnaw at the liner, etc.
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> After a big hit with 20-odd chickens killed in one day during daylight hours
> when I was at work, I reluctantly decided on the trap and dispatch method.
> I caught 39 in 3 years. 3 in a week once. I'm not proud of it, but
> sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
> IME, an electric fence might sort your problem out. Trap and dispatch is
> for when an electric fence can't work for your situation and there is
> nothing else.
> Tina
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Its worth a try though and doesn't cost very much.
> After a big hit with 20-odd chickens killed in one day during daylight hours
> when I was at work, I reluctantly decided on the trap and dispatch method.
> I caught 39 in 3 years. 3 in a week once. I'm not proud of it, but
> sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
> IME, an electric fence might sort your problem out. Trap and dispatch is
> for when an electric fence can't work for your situation and there is
> nothing else.
> Tina
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Doug.
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Jun 25, 2012, 3:05:56 AM6/25/12
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> > You could quite easily purchase a small electric fencer and cover the
> > whole of the perimeter of the green, and it would cost you less than
> > £100. If you have mains electricity available so much the better as you
> > can purchase a mains operated fencer for that sort of money.
> > I'm positive that that would sort out your problem.
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> We may well have to resort to this, but I am somewhat reluctant at the
> moment due to practicalities. How many strands would you need in order for
> it to be effective as they are good jumpers? Where would it be obtainable
> at that price? Children and adults sometimes visit the green without
> permission and mess about. Have you considered that aspect?
Have a look at the URL:
> > whole of the perimeter of the green, and it would cost you less than
> > £100. If you have mains electricity available so much the better as you
> > can purchase a mains operated fencer for that sort of money.
> > I'm positive that that would sort out your problem.
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> We may well have to resort to this, but I am somewhat reluctant at the
> moment due to practicalities. How many strands would you need in order for
> it to be effective as they are good jumpers? Where would it be obtainable
> at that price? Children and adults sometimes visit the green without
> permission and mess about. Have you considered that aspect?
http://www.molevalleyfarmers.com/mvf/store/products/hotline-hlb100-shrik
e-battery-fencer-energiser
This firm is selling electric fences that would suit your needs for £56.
On top of that you would need an earthing post and some wire. Even if
you found that one strand was not sufficient it is possible to buy
netting suitable for an electric fence. If you needed the latter I'm
sure you would come out on the good side of £125. Cheap if it stops
damage to the green.
You would need to put up warning notices of course, but once "bitten" I
don't think trespassers would be a problem.
And on private premises the onus would surely be on them to stay out.
David Hill
Jun 25, 2012, 4:49:14 AM6/25/12
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sometimes have reconditioned units.
David
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Jun 25, 2012, 11:41:04 AM6/25/12
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:49:14 +0100, David Hill
<da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote:
>On 25/06/2012 08:05, Peter James wrote:
>> Emrys Davies <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
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>>> "Peter James" <pfjam...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> You could quite easily purchase a small electric fencer and cover the
>>>> whole of the perimeter of the green, and it would cost you less than
>>>> �100. If you have mains electricity available so much the better as you
>>>> can purchase a mains operated fencer for that sort of money.
>>>> I'm positive that that would sort out your problem.
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>On 25/06/2012 08:05, Peter James wrote:
>> Emrys Davies <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
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>>> "Peter James" <pfjam...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1km6pa5.1yw4g5b1x4z5zyN%pfjam...@googlemail.com...
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>>>> You could quite easily purchase a small electric fencer and cover the
>>>> whole of the perimeter of the green, and it would cost you less than
>>>> �100. If you have mains electricity available so much the better as you
>>>> can purchase a mains operated fencer for that sort of money.
>>>> I'm positive that that would sort out your problem.
> Children and adults sometimes visit the green without
>>> permission and mess about.
>>> permission and mess about.
>> You would need to put up warning notices of course, but once "bitten" I
>> don't think trespassers would be a problem.
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>> And on private premises the onus would surely be on them to stay out.
Perhaps the answer would be to put up two fences. First one just some
>> don't think trespassers would be a problem.
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>> And on private premises the onus would surely be on them to stay out.
netting on stakes and the electric fence a yard inside that one. The
outer one could carry the warning signs for the inner.
you could try and remove what the foxes are digging for,they don't do
it for pleasure. They will be after grubs and worms and the recent wet
weather won't have helped as such things are close to the surface.
If your conscience and local policies allow it then use the approved
insecticides or get someone in to do it.
Does your ground mans keep an immaculate green by feeding blood and
bone fertilizers. The Foxes will think there is some carrion buried
there.
May be easier to just get a pest controller with the appropriate
licensed firearms in to shoot them though if adjoining property is
really close they may have to trap first and despatch later.
G.Harman
David Hill
Jun 26, 2012, 12:14:07 PM6/26/12
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greens were dosed with a solution of Potassium permanganate to kill off
the worms,
Emrys Davies
Jun 26, 2012, 6:34:37 PM6/26/12
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We do not have any problems with worms, leather jackets or chaffer grubs.
Foxes are quite destructive and I think that they will dig just for the sake
of it, although I concede that they could be digging for food. The green is
in very good condition apart from the fox damage. I think that we will
eventually beat them by destroying their sleeping area and visiting it
regularly and also by erecting an electric fence.
Foxes are quite destructive and I think that they will dig just for the sake
of it, although I concede that they could be digging for food. The green is
in very good condition apart from the fox damage. I think that we will
eventually beat them by destroying their sleeping area and visiting it
regularly and also by erecting an electric fence.
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