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Ophelia
Nov 7, 2013, 12:05:11 PM11/7/13
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This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be of
some use!
December 2013
The first month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to see a very
cold and snowy start to winter. This period is also likely to experience a
number of multiple and major widespread snow events across the country. The
northern half of the country is likely to experience a run of well-below
average temperatures for the vast majority of the whole month and multiple
major snow events, which will also include some potentially dangerous
blizzard conditions at times, in particular, in parts of north-east England.
Parts of southern England, Wales, and the Midlands are also likely to
experience a number of major snow events, that will consist of some
crippling falls of snow for these parts throughout December, especially in
parts of southern England and Wales. It is highly likely that there will be
major disruption to the public transport network across much of the country
at times and school closures throughout the early part of the December
period too.
December Temperatures - Below the seasonal average for most parts of the
country and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET).
Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures during the
evenings at times, and even more so throughout the Christmas period and into
the early part of 2014. It is quite plausible that temperatures may
surpass -20C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also
struggling to get above freezing during the daytime at times too, but
especially more so towards the start and end of the this forecasting period.
December Major Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
heavy falls of snow across many parts of the country, but especially more so
in the southern half of the country. Coupled with the below-average
temperatures, this is likely to lead to lying snow on the ground for some
lengthy periods of time in December. The risk of snowfall will remain with
much of the country throughout the whole month, but especially more so
throughout the period of the 23rd to the 31st December (Especially in
northern, eastern and southern parts). A full and more detailed snow risk
forecast will be issued to purchasers of this forecast later in the year
(normally �10)
January 2014
The second month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to be
exceptionally cold and very snowy. This period is also likely to experience
a number of multiple and major widespread snow events across the country,
and a scenario similar to December 2010 or worse is plausible. The vast
majority of the whole country is likely to experience a run of well-below
average temperatures for the whole of the month and multiple major snow
events, which will also include some potentially dangerous blizzard
conditions at times, in particular, in parts of southern England. Parts of
northern England, eastern England, Wales, western England, the Midlands, and
Northern Ireland are also likely to experience a number of major snow
events, that will consist of some crippling falls of snow for these parts
throughout January. It is highly likely that there will be major disruption
on a prolific scale to the public transport network across much of the
country at times and school closures throughout much of the January period
too.
January Temperatures - Way below the seasonal average for much of the
country and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET).
Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures quite
consistently during the evenings, especially in parts of Scotland and the
north. There may even be the possibility of temperature records being broken
in places, especially in parts of Scotland and Ireland, towards the start of
this forecasting period. It is quite plausible that temperatures may
surpass -28C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also
struggling to get above freezing across the country during the daytime too.
There is also a good probability for the development of ice floes, which
will be visible from land in various parts of the country too.
January Major Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
very heavy falls of snow across most parts of the country, but especially
more so in the southern half of the country. Coupled with the below-average
temperatures, this is likely to lead to lying snow on the ground for the
vast majority of January. Snow drifts of several feet are also a distinct
possibility for this part of the forecasting period. The risk of snowfall
will remain with large parts of the country throughout the whole month, but
especially more so throughout the period of the 1st to the 15th January. A
full and more detailed snow risk forecast will be issued to purchasers of
this forecast later in the year (normally �10)
February 2014
The final month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to continue
with the cold and snowy theme. This period is also likely to experience a
number of multiple and major widespread snow events across the country. Many
parts of the country are likely to experience a run of below average
temperatures throughout the month and multiple major snow events, especially
in parts of northern and southern England. It is likely that there will be
disruption to the public transport network across these parts at times and
school closures throughout the February period too. However, a number of
brief periods of moderation can't be ruled for this part of the forecasting
period (normal winter conditions), especially in the latter part of this
forecasting period.
February Temperatures - Below the seasonal average for much of the country
and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET), especially to
the north of the country. Temperatures may also exceed double negative
figures during the evenings at times, especially in parts of Scotland and
the north. It is quite plausible that temperatures may surpass -18C in parts
of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also struggling to get
above freezing during the daytime at times too, but not consistently due to
a number of brief periods of moderation for this part of the forecasting
period.
February Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
significant falls of snow across parts of the country, in particular, in
parts of northern and southern England. The risk of major snowfall is most
likely throughout the period of the 15th to the 25th February in these
parts.
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December 2013
The first month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to see a very
cold and snowy start to winter. This period is also likely to experience a
number of multiple and major widespread snow events across the country. The
northern half of the country is likely to experience a run of well-below
average temperatures for the vast majority of the whole month and multiple
major snow events, which will also include some potentially dangerous
blizzard conditions at times, in particular, in parts of north-east England.
Parts of southern England, Wales, and the Midlands are also likely to
experience a number of major snow events, that will consist of some
crippling falls of snow for these parts throughout December, especially in
parts of southern England and Wales. It is highly likely that there will be
major disruption to the public transport network across much of the country
at times and school closures throughout the early part of the December
period too.
December Temperatures - Below the seasonal average for most parts of the
country and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET).
Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures during the
evenings at times, and even more so throughout the Christmas period and into
the early part of 2014. It is quite plausible that temperatures may
surpass -20C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also
struggling to get above freezing during the daytime at times too, but
especially more so towards the start and end of the this forecasting period.
December Major Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
heavy falls of snow across many parts of the country, but especially more so
in the southern half of the country. Coupled with the below-average
temperatures, this is likely to lead to lying snow on the ground for some
lengthy periods of time in December. The risk of snowfall will remain with
much of the country throughout the whole month, but especially more so
throughout the period of the 23rd to the 31st December (Especially in
northern, eastern and southern parts). A full and more detailed snow risk
forecast will be issued to purchasers of this forecast later in the year
(normally �10)
January 2014
The second month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to be
exceptionally cold and very snowy. This period is also likely to experience
a number of multiple and major widespread snow events across the country,
and a scenario similar to December 2010 or worse is plausible. The vast
majority of the whole country is likely to experience a run of well-below
average temperatures for the whole of the month and multiple major snow
events, which will also include some potentially dangerous blizzard
conditions at times, in particular, in parts of southern England. Parts of
northern England, eastern England, Wales, western England, the Midlands, and
Northern Ireland are also likely to experience a number of major snow
events, that will consist of some crippling falls of snow for these parts
throughout January. It is highly likely that there will be major disruption
on a prolific scale to the public transport network across much of the
country at times and school closures throughout much of the January period
too.
January Temperatures - Way below the seasonal average for much of the
country and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET).
Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures quite
consistently during the evenings, especially in parts of Scotland and the
north. There may even be the possibility of temperature records being broken
in places, especially in parts of Scotland and Ireland, towards the start of
this forecasting period. It is quite plausible that temperatures may
surpass -28C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also
struggling to get above freezing across the country during the daytime too.
There is also a good probability for the development of ice floes, which
will be visible from land in various parts of the country too.
January Major Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
very heavy falls of snow across most parts of the country, but especially
more so in the southern half of the country. Coupled with the below-average
temperatures, this is likely to lead to lying snow on the ground for the
vast majority of January. Snow drifts of several feet are also a distinct
possibility for this part of the forecasting period. The risk of snowfall
will remain with large parts of the country throughout the whole month, but
especially more so throughout the period of the 1st to the 15th January. A
full and more detailed snow risk forecast will be issued to purchasers of
this forecast later in the year (normally �10)
February 2014
The final month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to continue
with the cold and snowy theme. This period is also likely to experience a
number of multiple and major widespread snow events across the country. Many
parts of the country are likely to experience a run of below average
temperatures throughout the month and multiple major snow events, especially
in parts of northern and southern England. It is likely that there will be
disruption to the public transport network across these parts at times and
school closures throughout the February period too. However, a number of
brief periods of moderation can't be ruled for this part of the forecasting
period (normal winter conditions), especially in the latter part of this
forecasting period.
February Temperatures - Below the seasonal average for much of the country
and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET), especially to
the north of the country. Temperatures may also exceed double negative
figures during the evenings at times, especially in parts of Scotland and
the north. It is quite plausible that temperatures may surpass -18C in parts
of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also struggling to get
above freezing during the daytime at times too, but not consistently due to
a number of brief periods of moderation for this part of the forecasting
period.
February Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
significant falls of snow across parts of the country, in particular, in
parts of northern and southern England. The risk of major snowfall is most
likely throughout the period of the 15th to the 25th February in these
parts.
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Hugh Newbury
Nov 7, 2013, 12:40:05 PM11/7/13
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On 07/11/13 17:05, Ophelia wrote:
> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
> of some use!
...
> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
> of some use!
Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
Hugh
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Wendy Tinley
Nov 7, 2013, 1:11:19 PM11/7/13
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On 07/11/2013 17:40, Hugh Newbury wrote:
> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
>
> Hugh
Hear, hear Hugh... ridiculous!
> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
>
> Hugh
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Gary Woods
Nov 7, 2013, 1:27:05 PM11/7/13
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Hugh Newbury <hu...@hnewbury.uklinux.net> wrote:
>Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
>forecast 1 week ahead!
A card-carrying meteorologist once told me that beyond 3 days, my guess was
>Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
>forecast 1 week ahead!
as good as his.
We here in the U.S. have the "Old Farmer's Almanack," which forecasts by
the Nostradamus method.
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David Hill
Nov 7, 2013, 1:29:29 PM11/7/13
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On 07/11/2013 18:11, Wendy Tinley wrote:
> On 07/11/2013 17:40, Hugh Newbury wrote:
>> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
>> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
>>
>> Hugh
>
> Hear, hear Hugh... ridiculous!
>
>
At present they seem to be having problem forecasting for us here in the
> On 07/11/2013 17:40, Hugh Newbury wrote:
>> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
>> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
>>
>> Hugh
>
> Hear, hear Hugh... ridiculous!
>
>
Swansea area 12 hours ahead.
Ophelia
Nov 7, 2013, 2:01:21 PM11/7/13
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"Hugh Newbury" <hu...@hnewbury.uklinux.net> wrote in message
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> On 07/11/13 17:05, Ophelia wrote:
>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>> of some use!
>
> ...
>
> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
I am not arguing:) I guess we will see:)
>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>> of some use!
>
> ...
>
> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
He pays for it you know!
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Roger Tonkin
Nov 7, 2013, 2:59:21 PM11/7/13
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In article <be24g7...@mid.individual.net>,
da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk says...
And you are in a populous area David. Try finding an
accurate forecast for mid-Wales any where.
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accurate forecast for mid-Wales any where.
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David Hill
Nov 7, 2013, 3:29:35 PM11/7/13
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On 07/11/2013 19:59, Roger Tonkin wrote:
> In article <be24g7...@mid.individual.net>,
> da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk says...
>>
>> On 07/11/2013 18:11, Wendy Tinley wrote:
>>> On 07/11/2013 17:40, Hugh Newbury wrote:
>>>> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
>>>> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
>>>>
>>>> Hugh
>>>
>>> Hear, hear Hugh... ridiculous!
>>>
>>>
>> At present they seem to be having problem forecasting for us here in the
>> Swansea area 12 hours ahead.
>
> And you are in a populous area David. Try finding an
> accurate forecast for mid-Wales any where.
>
Met office are strange, we have 3 forecast areas within 5 miles of us.
> In article <be24g7...@mid.individual.net>,
> da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk says...
>>
>> On 07/11/2013 18:11, Wendy Tinley wrote:
>>> On 07/11/2013 17:40, Hugh Newbury wrote:
>>>> Nobody can accurately forecast 3 months ahead. It's hard enough to
>>>> forecast 1 week ahead! The UK Met Office is sensible enough not to try.
>>>>
>>>> Hugh
>>>
>>> Hear, hear Hugh... ridiculous!
>>>
>>>
>> At present they seem to be having problem forecasting for us here in the
>> Swansea area 12 hours ahead.
>
> And you are in a populous area David. Try finding an
> accurate forecast for mid-Wales any where.
>
then going East nothing for around 30 miles
David.WE.Roberts
Nov 7, 2013, 3:38:56 PM11/7/13
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On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
> of some use!
<snip>
> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
> of some use!
Also posted on the Daily Mail!
http://boards.dailymail.co.uk/news-board-moderated/10258162-uk-europe-
autumn-winter-2013-2014-weather-discussion-25.html
So s/he could have got it for free.
I had a quick Google for ice floes visible from the UK which turned this
up.
No other immediate hits, so perhaps this is a voice crying in the
wilderness.
I share the general scepticism about the accuracy of a forecast for next
February.
I hope there is a money back guarantee.
Cheers
Dave R
Ophelia
Nov 7, 2013, 4:40:12 PM11/7/13
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"David.WE.Roberts" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>> of some use!
> <snip>
>
> Also posted on the Daily Mail!
>
> http://boards.dailymail.co.uk/news-board-moderated/10258162-uk-europe-
> autumn-winter-2013-2014-weather-discussion-25.html
>
> So s/he could have got it for free.
Blimey, well I won't be the one to tell him:(
>
>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>> of some use!
> <snip>
>
> Also posted on the Daily Mail!
>
> http://boards.dailymail.co.uk/news-board-moderated/10258162-uk-europe-
> autumn-winter-2013-2014-weather-discussion-25.html
>
> So s/he could have got it for free.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
Nov 7, 2013, 4:50:52 PM11/7/13
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Ophelia
Nov 7, 2013, 4:56:48 PM11/7/13
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" <"{$news$}"@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 07/11/2013 17:05, Ophelia wrote:
>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>
> http://www.diaryofanadi.co.uk/?p=10402
>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/posts/whats-behind-the-coldest-winte
Thank you Stewart Robert Hinsley but it has already been discussed and found
wanting ...
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Derek Turner
Nov 8, 2013, 4:46:41 AM11/8/13
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On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
> of some use!
>
<snip apocalypse>
> of some use!
>
It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
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Wendy Tinley
Nov 8, 2013, 5:08:37 AM11/8/13
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On 08/11/2013 09:59, Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:50:52 +0000, Stewart Robert Hinsley
> <"{$news$}"@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/posts/whats-behind-the-coldest-winte
> Paul Hudson, weather presenter and climate correspondent for BBC Look
> North in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, confrontations with the local
> news reader are not to be missed.
>
We live in this local area and yes... hilarious at times!
> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 21:50:52 +0000, Stewart Robert Hinsley
> <"{$news$}"@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/posts/whats-behind-the-coldest-winte
> Paul Hudson, weather presenter and climate correspondent for BBC Look
> North in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire, confrontations with the local
> news reader are not to be missed.
>
We live in this local area and yes... hilarious at times!
Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 5:21:16 AM11/8/13
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Nov 8, 2013, 6:13:15 AM11/8/13
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On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 10:21:16 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
> "Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
> news:be3q81...@mid.individual.net...
>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will
>>> be of some use!
>>>
>> <snip apocalypse>
>>
>> It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
>
> lol long time since I've heard that:)
I am nearly sixty and am still too young to have heard it directly. Most
> "Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
> news:be3q81...@mid.individual.net...
>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will
>>> be of some use!
>>>
>> <snip apocalypse>
>>
>> It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
>
> lol long time since I've heard that:)
of my parent's generation, however, used it, and other ITMA catchphrases
with great regularity. Twenty million listeners! The other one still
often heard is "after you Claude". I suspect that like phrases from the
Authorised Version and BCP there are many who use them without knowing
where they come from. What will my generation's legacy be, I wonder? The
parrot sketch and fork-handles? There! back on topic!
Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 6:19:45 AM11/8/13
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Copied from another group:
~~~
The Farmers Almanac this year predicts a hard winter.
I have my own indicators - a heavy crop of crab apples, of winter pears and
a heavy but very late crop of grapes on my vine, huge crop of conkers and
lots of beech mast (earlier in the year).
The darned squirrels have nearly cultivated my garden with their frenetic
burying of foodstuffs.
That's good enough for me – If the squirrels say it’s going to be ‘ard it’s
going to be ‘ard!.
~~~
I guess all we can do is wait and see:)
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Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 6:21:49 AM11/8/13
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Most
> of my parent's generation, however, used it, and other ITMA catchphrases
> with great regularity. Twenty million listeners! The other one still
> often heard is "after you Claude". I suspect that like phrases from the
> Authorised Version and BCP there are many who use them without knowing
> where they come from. What will my generation's legacy be, I wonder? The
> parrot sketch and fork-handles? There! back on topic!
lol nicely done:))
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> On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 10:21:16 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:be3q81...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will
>>>> be of some use!
>>>>
>>> <snip apocalypse>
>>>
>>> It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
>>
>> lol long time since I've heard that:)
>
> I am nearly sixty and am still too young to have heard it directly.
Maybe more to do with the area you grew up:) I've never heard it up here!
>
>> "Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
>> news:be3q81...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will
>>>> be of some use!
>>>>
>>> <snip apocalypse>
>>>
>>> It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
>>
>> lol long time since I've heard that:)
>
> I am nearly sixty and am still too young to have heard it directly.
Most
> of my parent's generation, however, used it, and other ITMA catchphrases
> with great regularity. Twenty million listeners! The other one still
> often heard is "after you Claude". I suspect that like phrases from the
> Authorised Version and BCP there are many who use them without knowing
> where they come from. What will my generation's legacy be, I wonder? The
> parrot sketch and fork-handles? There! back on topic!
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yttiw
Nov 8, 2013, 6:46:39 AM11/8/13
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On 2013-11-08 11:19:45 +0000, Ophelia said:
> Copied from another group:
> ~~~
>
> The Farmers Almanac this year predicts a hard winter.
>
> I have my own indicators - a heavy crop of crab apples, of winter pears
> and a heavy but very late crop of grapes on my vine, huge crop of
> conkers and lots of beech mast (earlier in the year).
Isn't that just a sign that we had a decent summer, and most of the
> Copied from another group:
> ~~~
>
> The Farmers Almanac this year predicts a hard winter.
>
> I have my own indicators - a heavy crop of crab apples, of winter pears
> and a heavy but very late crop of grapes on my vine, huge crop of
> conkers and lots of beech mast (earlier in the year).
flowers set?
Most of these amateur long range forecasts are based on predicting
headline events, such as heavy snow, widespread ice in the winter; and
violent thunderstorms, very hot days in the summer. They concentrate on
these because the general public remember them and will think to
themselves "oh Mr Bloggitt forecast heavy snow way back in October, he
must be a genius" forgetting that the actual prediction for the heavy
snow was so wishywashy and undefined that it could occur at any time
between November and March (as indeed heavy snow can occur at any time
during that period, for a few days, even in a winter that is milder
than average overall).
The winter (1 Dec to Feb 28/9 officially) of 2010/11 was a good
example. We had large quantities of snow well before Christmas, and
some very icy weather around the festive period, but after that Jan and
Feb 2011 were quite mild, and yet the media were still waffling about
Siberian winters becoming more commonplace (and other such nonsense)
well into one of the mildest Februarys for many years.
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Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 6:59:31 AM11/8/13
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> On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:21:16 -0000, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>>>> of some use!
>>>>
>>> <snip apocalypse>
>>>
>>> It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
>>
>>lol long time since I've heard that:)
>
> ITMA
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
>>news:be3q81...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be
>>>> of some use!
>>>>
>>> <snip apocalypse>
>>>
>>> It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
>>
>>lol long time since I've heard that:)
>
Not that far back but it was certainly in use when I was growing up:)
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autumn last year when the trees and plants built up good reserves which
could be put into flowering this year resulting in the potential for a
good crop this year.
Given a good fruit set followed by a good summer, you get a good crop this
autumn.
With an abundance of food this year we probably have a lower infant
mortality rate in squirrels.
Then again, we might have psychic conker trees.
Cheers
Dave R
Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 8:17:00 AM11/8/13
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As I said, all we can do is wait and see. I may be mistaken but it would
appear that I had better go back to lurking since the things I have passed
on are now being taken as my personal opinion.
Btw with regard to your questions in ULM (about what Sacha and I have
posted) it could be said I gave them free advertising and the "but also was
accompanied by a lot of strong critical comment." Was not made by me! I
take it you will be hitting us with it at your leisure?
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appear that I had better go back to lurking since the things I have passed
on are now being taken as my personal opinion.
Btw with regard to your questions in ULM (about what Sacha and I have
posted) it could be said I gave them free advertising and the "but also was
accompanied by a lot of strong critical comment." Was not made by me! I
take it you will be hitting us with it at your leisure?
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Nov 8, 2013, 8:25:27 AM11/8/13
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"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 11:59:31 -0000, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:gekp79tca6nem7agr...@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:21:16 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:be3q81...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> of some use!
>>>>>>
>>>>> <snip apocalypse>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> Mona Lot
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:gekp79tca6nem7agr...@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:21:16 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Derek Turner" <frd...@cesmail.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:be3q81...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:05:11 +0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> of some use!
>>>>>>
>>>>> <snip apocalypse>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>lol long time since I've heard that:)
>>>
>>> ITMA
>>
>>Not that far back but it was certainly in use when I was growing up:)
>
> I remember it from ITMA.
>>>>
>>>>lol long time since I've heard that:)
>>>
>>> ITMA
>>
>>Not that far back but it was certainly in use when I was growing up:)
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_That_Man_Again
>
> "I'm going down now sir" - Another diver catchphrase, which became
> widely used in descending lifts during the era of ITMA popularity.[5]
> "This is Funf speaking" - German spy, spoken by Jack Train.[4] This
> became a popular telephone catchphrase.[7]
> "I don't mind if I do" - Colonel Humphrey Chinstrap's catchphrase,
> spoken by Jack Train, turning any remark into an offer of a drink.[4]
> The origin of this catchphrase precedes ITMA, but was nevertheless
> popularised by ITMA.[8]
> "Can I do you now, Sir?" - Spoken by Dorothy Summers as Mrs Mopp the
> office char.[4][9]
> "I go, I come back" - Middle Eastern vendor, Ali Oop. Spoken by Jack
> Train.[4][10]
> "It's being so cheerful as keeps me going" - Mona Lott, a depressed
> laundrywoman played by Joan Harben.[11]
> "Good morning, nice day" - commercial traveller about to offer some
> sales line.[12][13]
> "After you, Claude - no, After you Cecil" - Moving men spoken by Jack
> Train and Horace Percival[4][14] This phrase became used by RAF pilots
> as they queued for attack.[15]
> "I'll have to ask me Dad" - Mark Time (an elderly ditherer). This "was
> a political phrase introduced into ITMA when post-war reconstruction
> was looming.[16] It was spoken by a Jack Train character, Mark Time,
> who responded to all questions with this phrase.[4]
> "But I'm all right now" - Hattie Jacques' character Sophie Tuckshop,
> after describing a long list of food she had eaten.[17]
> "TTFN (Ta ta for now)" and "Can I Do You Now" - Spoken by Dorothy
> Summers' character, Mrs Mopp.[4][18]
I remember hearing stuff like that but not directly from the programme.
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Nov 8, 2013, 9:25:00 AM11/8/13
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"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> In article <l5ijmu$mb3$1...@dont-email.me>, Ophelia
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> writes
>
> The phrase is *definitely* that far back, and *definitely* ITMA. It was a
> catchphrase from Mona Lott, a dressed laundry woman.
>
> Martin has just posted some more from ITMA.
LOL I reckon you would be wrong <g> I suspect it just wasn't something my
parents listened to:) I've heard people use that when I was a child and
obviously that is where they got it from ;p
We didn't listen to much we were always quiet and reading books. The only
thing we listened to regularly was The Good Show! My Dad loved it:)
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Nov 8, 2013, 9:27:53 AM11/8/13
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Nov 8, 2013, 9:46:31 AM11/8/13
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In article <l5is90$8c6$1...@dont-email.me>,
popularity dates from ITMA. That is certainly true for some of
the other phrases, such as "I don't mind if I do" and "Can I do you
now, Sir?"
I managed to get one change into the OED where they had fallen
into the trap of assigning a phrase to the author who popularised
it and not the originator. "To damn with faint praise" is actually
Wycherley, and Pope picked it up. But I suspect that the vast
majority of attributions are to the populariser and not the actual
originator, based on what I have seen happen in the past half
century.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Ophelia <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:sgGq9Lka...@indaal.demon.co.uk...
>>
>"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:sgGq9Lka...@indaal.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>>>>> It's being so cheerful as keeps 'em going.
>>>>>
>>>>>lol long time since I've heard that:)
>>>>
>>>> ITMA
>>>
>>>Not that far back but it was certainly in use when I was growing up:)
>>
>> Dear Ophelia, you are clearly not old enough to remember ITMA!
>>
>> The phrase is *definitely* that far back, and *definitely* ITMA. It was a
>> catchphrase from Mona Lott, a dressed laundry woman.
>>
>> Martin has just posted some more from ITMA.
>
>LOL I reckon you would be wrong <g> I suspect it just wasn't something my
>parents listened to:) I've heard people use that when I was a child and
>obviously that is where they got it from ;p
Actually, I think that it is older than ITMA, but its widespread
>>>>>
>>>>>lol long time since I've heard that:)
>>>>
>>>> ITMA
>>>
>>>Not that far back but it was certainly in use when I was growing up:)
>>
>> Dear Ophelia, you are clearly not old enough to remember ITMA!
>>
>> The phrase is *definitely* that far back, and *definitely* ITMA. It was a
>> catchphrase from Mona Lott, a dressed laundry woman.
>>
>> Martin has just posted some more from ITMA.
>
>LOL I reckon you would be wrong <g> I suspect it just wasn't something my
>parents listened to:) I've heard people use that when I was a child and
>obviously that is where they got it from ;p
popularity dates from ITMA. That is certainly true for some of
the other phrases, such as "I don't mind if I do" and "Can I do you
now, Sir?"
I managed to get one change into the OED where they had fallen
into the trap of assigning a phrase to the author who popularised
it and not the originator. "To damn with faint praise" is actually
Wycherley, and Pope picked it up. But I suspect that the vast
majority of attributions are to the populariser and not the actual
originator, based on what I have seen happen in the past half
century.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 10:15:11 AM11/8/13
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>>> We didn't listen to much we were always quiet and reading books. The
>>> only thing we listened to regularly was The Good Show! My Dad loved
>>> it:)
>>
>>Oops that would be the Goons!
>>
> I've just deleted the post I was writing to point that out :-)
<g> beat you to it .. Phew:)) Would you be a Goonie fan too? I have a
friend who has some old 75s records with the programmes on. We have a hoot
when we visit:)
Min
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>>> We didn't listen to much we were always quiet and reading books. The
>>> only thing we listened to regularly was The Good Show! My Dad loved
>>> it:)
>>
>>Oops that would be the Goons!
>>
<g> beat you to it .. Phew:)) Would you be a Goonie fan too? I have a
friend who has some old 75s records with the programmes on. We have a hoot
when we visit:)
Min
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sacha
Nov 8, 2013, 10:30:37 AM11/8/13
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the problems with this medium is that you can't see the person you're
talking to and there are sometimes gaps between a post and an answer to
it. Other comments come in and unintentionally muddy the waters and the
next thing you know is that you're an ardent believer in something
you've merely raised as a topic of interest! As we have seen all too
well, all too recently!
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Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 11:03:48 AM11/8/13
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Incidentally, a note to David.WE.Roberts, if you read any of Martin's link
you will have seen see that Exacta is quoted by a journalist there, so I
don't think they would be gunning for me especially.
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Nov 8, 2013, 11:26:49 AM11/8/13
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>> Don't be discouraged, Ophelia! Please keep going. Unfortunately, one of
>> the problems with this medium is that you can't see the person you're
>> talking to
in particular. I was involved in the 1990's with the development of
videoconferencing and the transmission of extra-mural distance learning
courses. Often acute antagonism developed between students and
tutors - even if they could see each other via the video network. This
was cured quite simply by moving the tutors around the centres so
that they could meet the students personally. The cure was permanent!
Phil
Northern Highlands of Scotland
Nick Maclaren
Nov 8, 2013, 11:36:31 AM11/8/13
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In article <KTlTBXsV...@indaal.demon.co.uk>,
>done on the correction, that's a nice one - the rest of us are happy to
>attribute the popularisers!
Thanks. In general, I agree that it makes no difference except to
historians, but it does sometimes matter when the populariser
attempts to copyright or trademark it :-(
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Malcolm <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Actually, I think that it is older than ITMA, but its widespread
>>popularity dates from ITMA. That is certainly true for some of
>>the other phrases, such as "I don't mind if I do" and "Can I do you
>>now, Sir?"
>>
>>I managed to get one change into the OED where they had fallen
>>into the trap of assigning a phrase to the author who popularised
>>it and not the originator. "To damn with faint praise" is actually
>>Wycherley, and Pope picked it up. But I suspect that the vast
>>majority of attributions are to the populariser and not the actual
>>originator, based on what I have seen happen in the past half
>>century.
>>
>I'm sure you're right, and, while it might matter to the OED - and well
>
>>Actually, I think that it is older than ITMA, but its widespread
>>popularity dates from ITMA. That is certainly true for some of
>>the other phrases, such as "I don't mind if I do" and "Can I do you
>>now, Sir?"
>>
>>I managed to get one change into the OED where they had fallen
>>into the trap of assigning a phrase to the author who popularised
>>it and not the originator. "To damn with faint praise" is actually
>>Wycherley, and Pope picked it up. But I suspect that the vast
>>majority of attributions are to the populariser and not the actual
>>originator, based on what I have seen happen in the past half
>>century.
>>
>done on the correction, that's a nice one - the rest of us are happy to
>attribute the popularisers!
Thanks. In general, I agree that it makes no difference except to
historians, but it does sometimes matter when the populariser
attempts to copyright or trademark it :-(
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Bill Grey
Nov 8, 2013, 11:41:33 AM11/8/13
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"Ophelia" <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote in message
> This came from a friend who runs a Transport business. Hope it will be of
> some use!
>
> December 2013
> some use!
>
>
> The first month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to see a
> very cold and snowy start to winter. This period is also likely to
> experience a number of multiple and major widespread snow events across
> the country. The northern half of the country is likely to experience a
> run of well-below average temperatures for the vast majority of the whole
> month and multiple major snow events, which will also include some
> potentially dangerous blizzard conditions at times, in particular, in
> parts of north-east England. Parts of southern England, Wales, and the
> Midlands are also likely to experience a number of major snow events, that
> will consist of some crippling falls of snow for these parts throughout
> December, especially in parts of southern England and Wales. It is highly
> likely that there will be major disruption to the public transport network
> across much of the country at times and school closures throughout the
> early part of the December period too.
>
> December Temperatures - Below the seasonal average for most parts of the
> country and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET).
> Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures during the
> evenings at times, and even more so throughout the Christmas period and
> into the early part of 2014. It is quite plausible that temperatures may
> surpass -20C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures
> also struggling to get above freezing during the daytime at times too, but
> especially more so towards the start and end of the this forecasting
> period.
>
> December Major Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
> heavy falls of snow across many parts of the country, but especially more
> so in the southern half of the country. Coupled with the below-average
> temperatures, this is likely to lead to lying snow on the ground for some
> lengthy periods of time in December. The risk of snowfall will remain with
> much of the country throughout the whole month, but especially more so
> throughout the period of the 23rd to the 31st December (Especially in
> northern, eastern and southern parts). A full and more detailed snow risk
> forecast will be issued to purchasers of this forecast later in the year
> (normally £10)
>
> January 2014
>
> The second month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to be
> exceptionally cold and very snowy. This period is also likely to
> experience a number of multiple and major widespread snow events across
> the country, and a scenario similar to December 2010 or worse is
> plausible. The vast majority of the whole country is likely to experience
> a run of well-below average temperatures for the whole of the month and
> multiple major snow events, which will also include some potentially
> dangerous blizzard conditions at times, in particular, in parts of
> southern England. Parts of northern England, eastern England, Wales,
> western England, the Midlands, and Northern Ireland are also likely to
> experience a number of major snow events, that will consist of some
> crippling falls of snow for these parts throughout January. It is highly
> likely that there will be major disruption on a prolific scale to the
> public transport network across much of the country at times and school
> closures throughout much of the January period too.
>
> January Temperatures - Way below the seasonal average for much of the
> country and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET).
> Temperatures are also likely to exceed double negative figures quite
> consistently during the evenings, especially in parts of Scotland and the
> north. There may even be the possibility of temperature records being
> broken in places, especially in parts of Scotland and Ireland, towards the
> start of this forecasting period. It is quite plausible that temperatures
> may surpass -28C in parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures
> also struggling to get above freezing across the country during the
> daytime too. There is also a good probability for the development of ice
> floes, which will be visible from land in various parts of the country
> too.
>
> January Major Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
> very heavy falls of snow across most parts of the country, but especially
> more so in the southern half of the country. Coupled with the
> below-average temperatures, this is likely to lead to lying snow on the
> ground for the vast majority of January. Snow drifts of several feet are
> also a distinct possibility for this part of the forecasting period. The
> risk of snowfall will remain with large parts of the country throughout
> the whole month, but especially more so throughout the period of the 1st
> to the 15th January. A full and more detailed snow risk forecast will be
> issued to purchasers of this forecast later in the year (normally £10)
>
> February 2014
>
> The final month of the meteorological 2013/14 winter is likely to continue
> with the cold and snowy theme. This period is also likely to experience a
> number of multiple and major widespread snow events across the country.
> Many parts of the country are likely to experience a run of below average
> temperatures throughout the month and multiple major snow events,
> especially in parts of northern and southern England. It is likely that
> there will be disruption to the public transport network across these
> parts at times and school closures throughout the February period too.
> However, a number of brief periods of moderation can't be ruled for this
> part of the forecasting period (normal winter conditions), especially in
> the latter part of this forecasting period.
>
> February Temperatures - Below the seasonal average for much of the country
> and in terms of the mean Central England Temperature (CET), especially to
> the north of the country. Temperatures may also exceed double negative
> figures during the evenings at times, especially in parts of Scotland and
> the north. It is quite plausible that temperatures may surpass -18C in
> parts of the UK during the evenings, with temperatures also struggling to
> get above freezing during the daytime at times too, but not consistently
> due to a number of brief periods of moderation for this part of the
> forecasting period.
>
> February Snowfall - The major snow events are likely to lead to some
> significant falls of snow across parts of the country, in particular, in
> parts of northern and southern England. The risk of major snowfall is most
> likely throughout the period of the 15th to the 25th February in these
> parts.
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Ah well !! I think I'll go back to bed !
Bill
Ophelia
Nov 8, 2013, 11:54:08 AM11/8/13
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> Ah well !! I think I'll go back to bed !
>
> Bill
an electric onesie ;)
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"Chris Hogg" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:15:11 -0000, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>
>><g> beat you to it .. Phew:)) Would you be a Goonie fan too? I have a
>>friend who has some old 75s records with the programmes on. We have a
>>hoot
>>when we visit:)
>>
>>Min
>
> Apparently, when the first pilot programme was being considered by the
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>
>><g> beat you to it .. Phew:)) Would you be a Goonie fan too? I have a
>>friend who has some old 75s records with the programmes on. We have a
>>hoot
>>when we visit:)
>>
>>Min
>
> toffs at the top of the beeb, one of them mis-read the title and asked
> "what is this go on show?"
I Didn't Know That:)
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Nov 9, 2013, 4:35:26 AM11/9/13
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"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:15:11 -0000, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Malcolm" <Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:1CTMl+rM...@indaal.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>>>> We didn't listen to much we were always quiet and reading books. The
>>>>> only thing we listened to regularly was The Good Show! My Dad loved
>>>>> it:)
>>>>
>>>>Oops that would be the Goons!
>>>>
>>> I've just deleted the post I was writing to point that out :-)
>>
>><g> beat you to it .. Phew:)) Would you be a Goonie fan too? I have a
>>friend who has some old 75s records with the programmes on.
>
> slow playing 78s?
>>news:1CTMl+rM...@indaal.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>>>> We didn't listen to much we were always quiet and reading books. The
>>>>> only thing we listened to regularly was The Good Show! My Dad loved
>>>>> it:)
>>>>
>>>>Oops that would be the Goons!
>>>>
>>> I've just deleted the post I was writing to point that out :-)
>>
>><g> beat you to it .. Phew:)) Would you be a Goonie fan too? I have a
>>friend who has some old 75s records with the programmes on.
>
errrr just testing ...
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Certainly not!
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