How do you poison a conifer?
John Murphy
I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
Now what is the best way to kill these trees without resorting to
cutting them down?
Could anyone recommend a good poison, something that is difficult to
prove that I am the culprit?
John
s, d or j @ stejonda
<jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
>
> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
>of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows.
oh joy :(
> I
>expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
>
>Now what is the best way to kill these trees without resorting to
>cutting them down?
talk to your neighbour is your best bet however difficult it may be. You
are likely to find you have few rights since the trees are on his land.
If you are proved to have damaged his trees you would be liable to pay
him damages. :(
--
s, d or j @ stejonda
Rod
"John Murphy" <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:umlf7ukunemgdqprd...@4ax.com...
> Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
>
> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
>
unsaleable.
Rod
Bevan Price
If you are caught, you can be prosecuted for criminal damage, so be careful.
Poison residues can be detected by chemical analysis if police become
involved. Are there no natural pests or diseases for conifers ? If you
happened to have a diseased plant in your garden and the disease just
happened to spread next door......
Bevan
Brian Watson
>
> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
Is the "right to light" thing a myth?
Me, I'd like to think I'd have the nerve to go with direct action if he
wouldn't listen to reason. But not this year, eh?
Next winter could be *very* harsh on tender young conifers...
;-)
--
Brian
John Murphy
>
>"John Murphy" <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:umlf7ukunemgdqprd...@4ax.com...
>> Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
>>
>> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
>> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
>> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
>
>Is the "right to light" thing a myth?
Its too difficult too pursue and almost always fails.
>
>Me, I'd like to think I'd have the nerve to go with direct action if he
>wouldn't listen to reason. But not this year, eh?
To quickly summarise the person that planted these conifers did so to
deliberately make trouble, some (not all) conifers are known as a
"spite walls".
The problem we have right now is that the majority of people are
afraid of the consequences, ie what happens if I am sued, what happens
if we go to court? Yet we all know in our hearts the difference
between right and wrong. Yes its wrong for me to kill conifers but it
is also wrong to deliberately plan them right in front of my windows.
A few weeks ago we admired brave men fighting in foreign lands ie the
war in Afghanistan. These men crawled through deserts fighting as a
matter of life and death, yet how many people would be too scared to
crawl into their neighbour's garden at night? It's a fact that the
majority of people in this country are too afraid of their neighbours.
I for one am not, I don't plan to get caught. I plan to go at night
and kill these trees. Its up to anyone else to prove I did. In short
its called "backbone" there is too little of it about these days.
What I do need however is a good poison that takes time to react
better still, two of three different poisons that cause the trees to
die in different ways at not at the same time.
John
>
>Next winter could be *very* harsh on tender young conifers...
>
>;-)
Please be careful not to get caught, plan it well and have courage,
Stand up and dont let the buggers get away with it.
John
Brian Watson
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:40:02 -0000, in uk.rec.gardening you wrote:
>
> >
> >"John Murphy" <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:umlf7ukunemgdqprd...@4ax.com...
> >> Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
> >>
> >> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
> >> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
> >> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
> >
> >Is the "right to light" thing a myth?
> Its too difficult too pursue and almost always fails.
You *know* that to be so?
> >Me, I'd like to think I'd have the nerve to go with direct action if he
> >wouldn't listen to reason. But not this year, eh?
>
> To quickly summarise the person that planted these conifers did so to
> deliberately make trouble, some (not all) conifers are known as a
> "spite walls".
I take it from what you say that you have a "history" with this person.
> The problem we have right now is that the majority of people are
> afraid of the consequences, ie what happens if I am sued, what happens
> if we go to court?
That applies to him as well as to you. A legal letter might well make him
back down.
> Yet we all know in our hearts the difference
> between right and wrong. Yes its wrong for me to kill conifers but it
> is also wrong to deliberately plan them right in front of my windows.
Of course, but the issue is also one of "legal" and "illegal."
If you are prepared to take the law into your own hands to kill these
conifers, how will you feel if he then feels justified in tipping acid over
your front door in retaliation?
Are you happy to accept the possible consequences to you of further
escalation?
> A few weeks ago we admired brave men fighting in foreign lands ie the
> war in Afghanistan. These men crawled through deserts fighting as a
> matter of life and death, yet how many people would be too scared to
> crawl into their neighbour's garden at night? It's a fact that the
> majority of people in this country are too afraid of their neighbours.
> I for one am not, I don't plan to get caught. I plan to go at night
> and kill these trees. Its up to anyone else to prove I did.
Stating in advance in a public forum that you are going to do it is hardly a
smart way to go about it.
> In short
> its called "backbone" there is too little of it about these days.
Prove it.
What I'm reading from you here is a belligerant attitude that might well
have provoked this neighbour of your into planting the conifers.
Anyway, to return to the present. It looks rather like poor planning to me.
A better plan would have been to use a hotmail-type account to post a
request here for recommendations for an appropriate poison without including
the rant as to why you want it.
Then to wait a while before using it/them, if you are still determined so to
do.
> What I do need however is a good poison that takes time to react
> better still, two of three different poisons that cause the trees to
> die in different ways at not at the same time.
>
> John
> >
> >Next winter could be *very* harsh on tender young conifers...
> >
> >;-)
> Please be careful not to get caught, plan it well and have courage,
> Stand up and dont let the buggers get away with it.
I didn't post that last bit - *you* added it to my posting, as anyone can
see if they care to check it.
Why?
Wishful thinking that I would be a little more fulsome in my support, John?
Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
And *don't* e-mail me copies of your postings here. It's bad manners.
--
Brian
Tumbleweed
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:40:02 -0000, in uk.rec.gardening you wrote:
>
> >
> >"John Murphy" <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:umlf7ukunemgdqprd...@4ax.com...
> >> Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
> >>
> >> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
> >> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
> >> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
> >
under the trees.
Give some time and salt will be washed out and so would be untraceable.
Alternatively, contact the police sergeant who was prosecuted but found
innocent when an entire row of mature conifers next to his house suddenly
and mysteriously died, and find out what the cause was thought to be!
--
Tumbleweed
Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups)
John Murphy
>> >Is the "right to light" thing a myth?
>
>> Its too difficult too pursue and almost always fails.
>
>You *know* that to be so?
Of course, I wouldnt pursue the right to light for a gold pig. Waste
of time and money.
>
>> >Me, I'd like to think I'd have the nerve to go with direct action if he
>> >wouldn't listen to reason. But not this year, eh?
>>
>> To quickly summarise the person that planted these conifers did so to
>> deliberately make trouble, some (not all) conifers are known as a
>> "spite walls".
>
>I take it from what you say that you have a "history" with this person.
Not long actually....... Furthermore I am not alone there are others
in the area that also have "an history" with the same person.
>
>> The problem we have right now is that the majority of people are
>> afraid of the consequences, ie what happens if I am sued, what happens
>> if we go to court?
>
>That applies to him as well as to you. A legal letter might well make him
>back down.
Legal letters are expensive and time consuming, poison is fast quick
and effective. What starts as a solicitors letter costing a few quid
can often escalate into a serious amount of money. Now if I don't get
caught with poison, how easy do you think it is to prosecute me as the
culprit without any evidence directly linking me to the event? I say I
have a better than even change wouldn't you.
>
>> Yet we all know in our hearts the difference
>> between right and wrong. Yes its wrong for me to kill conifers but it
>> is also wrong to deliberately plan them right in front of my windows.
>
>Of course, but the issue is also one of "legal" and "illegal."
The issue can be labelled anything until the day a tree is planeted
right outside your window. The trouble is there is no law to prevent
it. Wasnt it talked out of court recently.
>
>If you are prepared to take the law into your own hands to kill these
>conifers, how will you feel if he then feels justified in tipping acid over
>your front door in retaliation?
I have no bother with this, I wouldn't hesitate to break his or
anyones nose if they were to come and tip acid over my front door.
Shall me and you now argue whether planting conifers to deliberately
block light from my windows or pouring acid over my door is worse? We
could go on all day if either of us had time........
>
>Are you happy to accept the possible consequences to you of further
>escalation?
I am ready for anything. This isn't a nice little tree that flowers.
it has been deliberately planted to block light from my windows. I am
ready to poison it. It is a deliberate act of aggression by my
neighbour, not a Sunday afternoon gardening jaunt.
snip
>Stating in advance in a public forum that you are going to do it is hardly a
>smart way to go about it.
Adding my name address and phone number who be even dumber but I
havent. Secondly this county is full of people suffering from conifer
abuse. I have no fear in discussing my actions openly. Now care to
tell me were I live?
>
>> In short
>> its called "backbone" there is too little of it about these days.
>
>Prove it.
Don't be silly. Sensible replies please.
>
>What I'm reading from you here is a belligerant attitude that might well
>have provoked this neighbour of your into planting the conifers.
Oh yes. Lets put a dozen conifers about 10 foot from your windows and
see whether you carry the same attitude.
>
>Anyway, to return to the present. It looks rather like poor planning to me.
Who's planning his or mine.
>
>A better plan would have been to use a hotmail-type account to post a
>request here for recommendations for an appropriate poison without including
>the rant as to why you want it.
Fiddlesticks, am I Scottish living in London or Welsh living in
Newcastle?
>
snip
>Wishful thinking that I would be a little more fulsome in my support, John?
Nooooo I just want a poison to be recommended, that's all.
>
>Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
I often find people are so willing to call others fools in writing or
by e-mail when they dont have to stand and look that person in the
eye.
>
>And *don't* e-mail me copies of your postings here. It's bad manners.
Brian go and make yourself an nice pot of tea and cool down. You are
getting worked up over nothing. You sound a bit of an excitable chap.
All these comments arent worth getting worked up over.
John
John Murphy
>as a guess, try strong salt solution. Water on a strong solution directly
>under the trees.
>Give some time and salt will be washed out and so would be untraceable.
>Alternatively, contact the police sergeant who was prosecuted but found
>innocent when an entire row of mature conifers next to his house suddenly
>and mysteriously died, and find out what the cause was thought to be!
Well said Tumbleweed! Just what I wanted to hear! As common as salt is
I never though about it...........
John.
Brian Watson
> >Stating in advance in a public forum that you are going to do it is
hardly a
> >smart way to go about it.
> Adding my name address and phone number who be even dumber but I
> havent. Secondly this county is full of people suffering from conifer
> abuse. I have no fear in discussing my actions openly. Now care to
> tell me were I live?
Not in a public forum, no.
> snip
> >Wishful thinking that I would be a little more fulsome in my support,
John?
> Nooooo I just want a poison to be recommended, that's all.
You still haven't explained why you forged a note of support from me.
> >
> >Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
>
> I often find people are so willing to call others fools in writing or
> by e-mail when they dont have to stand and look that person in the
> eye.
Your place or mine, or neutral ground?
--
Brian
John Murphy
>You still haven't explained why you forged a note of support from me.
It was a copy/paste error Brian no more no less....
>> >
>> >Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
>>
>> I often find people are so willing to call others fools in writing or
>> by e-mail when they dont have to stand and look that person in the
>> eye.
>
>Your place or mine, or neutral ground?
Bye gum you are full of it today. No lets meet under the conifer tree,
I'll bring my picnic hamper you bring your walking stick.
The answer if you missed it was salt. If you want to kill a conifer
then add plenty of salt........
John Murphy
Brian Watson
>
>
> >You still haven't explained why you forged a note of support from me.
> It was a copy/paste error Brian no more no less....
> >> >
> >> >Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
> >>
> >> I often find people are so willing to call others fools in writing or
> >> by e-mail when they dont have to stand and look that person in the
> >> eye.
Well, let's just see, shall we?
> >Your place or mine, or neutral ground?
> Bye gum you are full of it today. No lets meet under the conifer tree,
Fine. On this occasion I'll take you out of my killfile until the end of the
day so you can send me your address by e-mail.
I'm waiting...
Put up or shut up.
> I'll bring my picnic hamper you bring your walking stick.
> The answer if you missed it was salt. If you want to kill a conifer
> then add plenty of salt........
Which is what I take your foolish Blimpery and bluster with.
--
Brian
John Murphy
Now Brian, you are getting all worked up again. Its time to claim down
and behave like a normal person. After three, breath in, breath out,
breath in, breath out. Say " I am calm, I am rational".
Pin a note to your refrigerator that says " I must dispel those hot
head ideas, I can be normal if I try.
John Murply
John Murphy
<stej...@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <1014548926.20326....@news.demon.co.uk>, Brian
>Watson <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes
>>> Please be careful not to get caught, plan it well and have courage,
>>> Stand up and dont let the buggers get away with it.
>>
>>I didn't post that last bit - *you* added it to my posting, as anyone
>>can see if they care to check it.
>
>yes - nasty habit impersonating another person's posts.
Yes he's a right cheeky monkey deserves a good boot up the bum.
John Murphy
s, d or j @ stejonda
Watson <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes
>> Stand up and dont let the buggers get away with it.
>
>I didn't post that last bit - *you* added it to my posting, as anyone
>can see if they care to check it.
yes - nasty habit impersonating another person's posts.
--
Janet Baraclough
from John Murphy <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> >Stating in advance in a public forum that you are going to do it is hardly a
> >smart way to go about it.
> Adding my name address and phone number who be even dumber but I
> havent. Secondly this county is full of people suffering from conifer
> abuse. I have no fear in discussing my actions openly. Now care to
> tell me were I live?
> >A better plan would have been to use a hotmail-type account to post a
> >request here for recommendations for an appropriate poison without including
> >the rant as to why you want it.
> Fiddlesticks, am I Scottish living in London or Welsh living in
> Newcastle?
You're in Barnsley, Yorkshire.
Brian is giving you good advice.
Janet
siren of the fens
some of the weedkiller, thats not his problem is it??
If the trees are planted close to your house, their roots may affect your
house and your neighbour will be liable for any damage.
--
stinkycatlitter at yahoo dot co dot uk
www.geocities.com/fenwoman/Mollys_ark
"Bevan Price" <bevan...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:101449771...@iapetus.uk.clara.net...
John Murphy
Dont talk rubbish Janet you know full well Brian isnt giving me good
advice.
I have however received the advice I need and the way to kill a
conifer is to use salt.
John Murphy
s, d or j @ stejonda
<jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>
>Yes he's a right cheeky monkey deserves a good boot up the bum.
you're clearly someone who enjoys talking to himself - <plonk>
--
Rodger Whitlock
Yes, a strongly-worded letter from your solicitor. Don't threaten
it, let it come as a surprise. A good lawyer will be able to find
some credible justification for threatening your neighbour with
legal action if the trees are not removed promptly.
Also don't forget that you can trim off any limbs that overhang
your property -- as long as you offer them back. Your neighbour
may be the one who ultimately takes the brunt of this little
stunt.
PS: I see another reply has recommended moving asap before legal
problems envelop your property. That, too, sounds like wise
advice, and has the odor of experience about it.
--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
John Murphy
That's quite alright, take another shot at me.
Why do you sign your name "plonk" at the end of your sentence? Can I
ask are you a little bit thick, or is your real name plonk?
Now excuse me while I talk to this chap in the mirror.....
John Murphy-Plonk (nice one... sounds great doesn't it)
P.S Some excitable folk in this group isn't there, its like walking on
broken glass at times.
By the way the answer is still salt........
Brian Watson
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:200202241...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <0tih7u8i3egqf8312...@4ax.com>
> from John Murphy <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> > Fiddlesticks, am I Scottish living in London or Welsh living in
> > Newcastle?
>
> You're in Barnsley, Yorkshire.
>
> Brian is giving you good advice.
Thank you for your support, Janet.
The man is an idiot (and a coward, too).
PS: Do you think I should tell him that all he's going to poison is his
slugs and snails.
:-)
--
Brian
Brian Watson
Not that you are man enough to do anything about it.
Idiot.
--
Brian
John Murphy
Boo, that made you jump didnt it.
>
>Idiot.
Now off you go again. You are getting yourself in a right pickle. Now
sit yourself down lad and make a nice pot of tea, Coronation Street
will be on in a short while. Go and get some ginger nuts and dip them
in your tea. They say that cutting down on spicy food makes you less
excitable.
Have you tried taking up knitting, they says its very relaxing
John Murphy (Big John to you)
John Murphy
Now Brian you getting all worked up again. Just calm down my dear
chap.
Brian Watson
"Sacha" <sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ehai7ug23m247gsp7...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:46:55 -0000, "Brian Watson"
> <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John Murphy" <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:5mqh7uog6t3usr41t...@4ax.com...
> >> Yes he's a right cheeky monkey deserves a good boot up the bum.
> >
> >Not that you are man enough to do anything about it.
> >
> >Idiot.
>
>
> ;-)
I don't think he's the marrying kind, if you know what I mean.
;-)
--
Brian
John Murphy
<sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:46:55 -0000, "Brian Watson"
><br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John Murphy" <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:5mqh7uog6t3usr41t...@4ax.com...
><snip>
>>> Yes he's a right cheeky monkey deserves a good boot up the bum.
>>
>>Not that you are man enough to do anything about it.
>>
>>Idiot.
>
>
>You two will let us know when the wedding's going to be, won't you?
>;-)
Brian's told me that he will be wearing a nice floral outfit and will
be carrying a bouquet of pink La Minuet roses with a hint of lily of
the valley and stephanotis. Personally I am hoping he will also add a
touch of variegated ivy and some maidenhair fern, I feel he will look
so dashing. I will be dressed as a morris dancer and carrying an axe.
Come on Brian kiss and make up you are taking it all too seriously.
And don't try putting your tongue in my mouth.
Brian Watson
> >You two will let us know when the wedding's going to be, won't you?
> >;-)
>
> Brian's told me that he will be wearing a nice floral outfit and will
> be carrying a bouquet of pink La Minuet roses with a hint of lily of
> the valley and stephanotis. Personally I am hoping he will also add a
> touch of variegated ivy and some maidenhair fern, I feel he will look
> so dashing.
That's what you like, is it?
> I will be dressed as a morris dancer and carrying an axe.
If you knew what to do with a chopper you wouldn't have blundered in here in
the first place.
> Come on Brian kiss and make up you are taking it all too seriously.
Oh dear, I think we've just out-ed the first chicken Yorkshireman.
I've still not had that e-mail with your postal address in it, and you with
all your urban guerrilla nonsense about "backbone" and the bulldog spirit
earlier in the day.
You are too scared to confront your neighbour over this matter of the
conifers on your border, and so you try to dress up your appeal here as some
sort of "common man strikes back" thing.
You are a coward, John Murphy, and I'll bet you were a blustering bully at
school until someone called you out and tweaked your nose.
> And don't try putting your tongue in my mouth.
As if.
That might be your preference, but it's certainly not mine.
Now get back under your bridge and drink your Horlicks.
--
Brian
David Simpson
Watson <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>"John Murphy" <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:umlf7ukunemgdqprd...@4ax.com...
>> Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
>>
>> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
>> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
>> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
>
>Is the "right to light" thing a myth?
>
London.
A better bet is the proposed(?) legislation controlling the height.
>Me, I'd like to think I'd have the nerve to go with direct action if he
>wouldn't listen to reason. But not this year, eh?
>
>Next winter could be *very* harsh on tender young conifers...
>
--
David Simpson
Janet Baraclough
from John Murphy <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
I have no fear in discussing my actions openly. Now care to
> >> tell me were I live?
> > You're in Barnsley, Yorkshire.
> >
> > Brian is giving you good advice.
> >
> > Janet
> Dont talk rubbish Janet you know full well Brian isnt giving me good
> advice.
You said you didn't intend to get caught and it was up to anyone to
prove your guilt; Brian pointed out you have already provided fully
traceable public evidence of your motives and intention.
Newsgroup posts are archived on the internet; you've made a
permanent record of your intention to inflict criminal damage on your
neighbour's property. The headers are also an undeniable tracking
route via your isp to your computer.
An internet search starting from usenet with a valid name and email
address, can locate a land address, (and many other personal
details). Obviously your land address also provides the address of
your neighbours on either side. 90% of usenet users are silent,
unknown lurkers,some of them just harvesting information which they
offer for sale where they can.
Don't copy newsgroup replies to private email, please.
Janet
Brian Watson
> from John Murphy <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> > Dont talk rubbish Janet you know full well Brian isnt giving me good
> > advice.
>
> You said you didn't intend to get caught and it was up to anyone to
> prove your guilt; Brian pointed out you have already provided fully
> traceable public evidence of your motives and intention.
Quite.
> Newsgroup posts are archived on the internet; you've made a
> permanent record of your intention to inflict criminal damage on your
> neighbour's property. The headers are also an undeniable tracking
> route via your isp to your computer.
>
> 90% of usenet users are silent,
> unknown lurkers,some of them just harvesting information which they
> offer for sale where they can.
In fact, it occured to me that John's neighbours might *already* have either
read the thread in this newsgroup and archived it themselves for future use,
or another neighbour might have furnished them with a printed version of his
nonsense by now.
> Don't copy newsgroup replies to private email, please.
He did that to me, too, until I pointed out it was bad manners.
Since I challenged him to e-mail me with specific information he has kept
his comments to this newsgroup.
Unfortunately I don't think he knows what good manners are, which could
explain why the neighbours put up the conifers in the first place.
--
Brian
John Murphy
Is this "make a mountain out of a mole hill dot com" ?
Can you really see someone scanning the newsgroups in the hope of
tracking down an event that hasnt yet happened. Will they monitor the
newsgroups and monitor a conifer tree and wait for an official report
of an incident then put the pieces of the case together. I mean the
police will be sat twiddling their thumbs waiting to pounce. There
could even be a meeting with heads of police discussing a possible
attack on a conifer somewhere in Yorkshire. I bet they are scanning
the groups now and draughting in men and resources.......
Janet have you been sniffing something. What a load of baloney.......
John Murphy
John Murphy
Brian, Boo.........
Look Brian, I know you want to make yourself look tough in front of
the group by challenging a person whom you have never seen or heard of
to fight. You don't know my height, build or age nor do you know my
background, strengths or weakness. You could be holding a tiger by the
tail or a pussy cat for all you know. However, there is nothing you
have said or done that has given me the slightest concern. Now grow
up, stop playing Rambo and get on with your life. It isnt big and it
isnt clever to challenge someone you have not met to fight. I feel you
have lost some of your self respect and dignity by doing so.....
In my experience its the ones that make the most noise that are the
weakest, the silent ones that are slow to retaliate are the ones to
keep an eye on. I am not who you think I am. Only someone who worked
out in a gym would know what a smith machine and olymipc bar is. I
wouldnt pick a fight with someone who uses one without seeing him
first. I use a smith machine for the record for buttock to calf
squats. I love rugby union and hate rugby league, I dont smoke but
enjoy a pint of John Smiths Yorkshire Bitter. Now do you really think
you know me?
>
>> And don't try putting your tongue in my mouth.
>
>As if.
>
>That might be your preference, but it's certainly not mine.
>
>Now get back under your bridge and drink your Horlicks.
Its ok is horlicks. I enjoy a cup of it now and then. High in protein
low in fat and also a good sorce of calcium.
John Murphy
s, d or j @ stejonda
<david....@chapelhouse.demon.co.uk> writes
>A better bet is the proposed(?) legislation controlling the height.
which sadly got talked out by two MPs in April 2001 :(
>John Taylor's 'High Hedges Bill' ran out of time at its report stage
>because over one hundred amendments and two new clauses were tabled at
>the last moment by two members of Parliament, Christopher Chope and
>Eric Forth. It was apparent to our Parliamentary supporters the day
>before the Report Stage Reading, that it would be run out of time and
>many of the Bill's MP supporters, who, despite this, were there in the
>morning, had left the House by the afternoon. Their Constituency
>business was too important to allow them to remain in the House all
>day, when the Bill clearly could not escape running out of time.
>
>The debate ran for over 5 hours. At one stage Christopher Chope spoke
>for over two hours on the trot. His endless rambling speeches enlarged
>on numerous irrelevancies, such as the merits of the metric system, the
>composition of the new House of Lords, much erroneous information and
>frequently referred to the Billąs own 'draft Guidelines', without ever
>acknowledging that these Guidelines were a half developed adjunct of
>this very same Bill. He completely ignored the fact that the Bill, as
>drafted, is a sensitive and flexible Bill, which has considerable
>cross-party support, is non-political, and based on a Consultation
>which drew an unusually large number of responses.
from
<http://freespace.virgin.net/clare.h/hdg8Prev00-01.htm#AMENDMNTS>
d
--
Chris
> You don't know my height, build or age nor do you know my
> background, strengths or weakness
You were claiming to be a pensioner and in hospital unwell last year...
--
Chris
Janet Baraclough
from John Murphy <jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> Is this "make a mountain out of a mole hill dot com" ?
You seem to think so:
>A few weeks ago we admired brave men fighting in foreign lands ie the
>war in Afghanistan. These men crawled through deserts fighting as a
>matter of life and death... I am ready for anything....It is a deliberate act of aggression by >my neighbour.....
Just crush the hedge with your stealth zimmer, and use your cold
weather payment to take out a contract on the neighbour. Then you can
hirple off for some tough talk with the other urban guerrillas at the
chiropody clinic, while you get your corns pared. You know you want to.
Janet.
Alan Holmes
Rodger Whitlock wrote in message <3c790a1e....@news.newsguy.com>...
>On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:54:02 +0000, John Murphy
><jo...@jmurphy50.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
>>
>> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
>> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
>> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
>>
>> Now what is the best way to kill these trees without resorting to
>> cutting them down?
>>
>> Could anyone recommend a good poison, something that is difficult to
>> prove that I am the culprit?
>
>your property -- as long as you offer them back. Your neighbour
>may be the one who ultimately takes the brunt of this little
>stunt.
One other thought is to have very large bonfires near the trees,
it won't be your fault if they get scorched!
Alan
Reply to alan (at) windsor-berks (dot) freeserve (dot) co (dot) uk
Brian Watson
> Look Brian, I know you want to make yourself look tough in front of
> the group by challenging a person whom you have never seen or heard of
> to fight. You don't know my height, build or age nor do you know my
> background, strengths or weakness. You could be holding a tiger by the
> tail or a pussy cat for all you know. However, there is nothing you
> have said or done that has given me the slightest concern. Now grow
> up, stop playing Rambo and get on with your life. It isnt big and it
> isnt clever to challenge someone you have not met to fight.
It isn't big and it isn't clever to go sneaking around in the dead of night
to poison somebody's plants because you are too cowardly to face your
neighbour man to man.
> I feel you
> have lost some of your self respect and dignity by doing so.....
>
> In my experience its the ones that make the most noise that are the
> weakest, the silent ones that are slow to retaliate are the ones to
> keep an eye on. I am not who you think I am. Only someone who worked
> out in a gym would know what a smith machine and olymipc bar is.
You're not one of those twerps who buys the muscle magazines to dream about
what might have been, then?
> I
> wouldnt pick a fight with someone who uses one without seeing him
> first.
You said I wouldn't dare say to you in person what I'd say to you in print.
I would, and you are too cowardly to take it.
> I use a smith machine for the record for buttock to calf
> squats. I love rugby union and hate rugby league, I dont smoke but
> enjoy a pint of John Smiths Yorkshire Bitter. Now do you really think
> you know me?
Yep, you're a big girl's blouse.
--
Brian
Brian Watson
"Chris" <ed...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:61ac1670.02022...@posting.google.com...
That would be in uk.rec.ex-mr.universe, I presume?
:-)
--
Brian
Brian Watson
That would be in uk.rec.ex-mr.universe, I presume?
:-)
I think anyone who cares about this any more has seen enough nonsense for
one weekend.
As of now I'm leaving our Mr Mitty to his fantasy world, though I dare say
he will insist on having the last word.
--
Brian
Brian Watson
That would be in uk.rec.ex-mr.universe, I presume?
Brian Watson
That would be in uk.rec.ex-mr.universe, I presume?
s, d or j @ stejonda
<al...@holmes-g4crw.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>One other thought is to have very large bonfires near the trees, it
>won't be your fault if they get scorched!
it probably would be - you're expected to take reasonable care and could
be liable
John Murphy
> Just crush the hedge with your stealth zimmer, and use your cold
>weather payment to take out a contract on the neighbour. Then you can
>hirple off for some tough talk with the other urban guerrillas at the
>chiropody clinic, while you get your corns pared. You know you want to.
>
> Janet.
Oh Battleaxe Barraclough you keep taking pot shots at me wont give up
will you. If the British army could have found a plane strong enough
to carry you we should have put you behind enemy lines in Afghanistan,
Bin Ladin would have handed himself in by now.
John Murphy
John Murphy
>
>You're not one of those twerps who buys the muscle magazines to dream about
>what might have been, then?
>
>> I
>> wouldnt pick a fight with someone who uses one without seeing him
>> first.
>
>You said I wouldn't dare say to you in person what I'd say to you in print.
>I would, and you are too cowardly to take it.
Nope, I dont think you wouldnt dare to say to me the things you have
said in person. I get the impression you are a wimp behind a keyboard.
I think you are all mouth, all talk and nothing else. I think if you
had to stand up and face the other fellow eye to eye you would wet
yourself. What does it take to call a chap a few names while sitting
at a computer, is that how you judge yourself.
Brian you are a wimp.
>
>> I use a smith machine for the record for buttock to calf
>> squats. I love rugby union and hate rugby league, I dont smoke but
>> enjoy a pint of John Smiths Yorkshire Bitter. Now do you really think
>> you know me?
>
>Yep, you're a big girl's blouse.
Big enough to take you and a give you a wupping.
According to e-mails I have received from other members of this group
it would seem that you are not the most favoured in this group are
you. Some of your comments about Princess Margaret didn't go down too
well with a few other members of this group did they. It seems you are
rather quick with the acid tongue.
Brian, you have told every in the group your tough, now go and watch
Rambo and stop picking you nose.
John Murphy
mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk
Don't you think it's gone too far. To be fair with you I feel you
triggered this whole thing off when you said.
>Wishful thinking that I would be a little more fulsome in my support, John?
>Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
Things we pretty civilised up to this part.
Even if this bloke Murphy is wrong or even as you say a fool I don't
feel it serves or helps your cause to say so in writing. To start
calling people fools in a NG only inflames the situation. I feel you
could have put your feelings across in a more dignified manner rather
than resorting to calling names ie "fool". I have followed some of
your comments and Brian you do seem to be pushing the guy for a fight.
What Murphy said about those Princess Margaret comments were right,
you go too far sometimes Brian.
For the record I don't support "either" of you, I think you have both
gone too far. Lets get back to the gardening issues and stop this
ridiculous banter.
Mark Hughes
mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk
At last!.......Can we keep to the issue.
Anyone know when they are debating conifers in parliament. I heard it
was talked out of time last hearing. Is it due for another hearing? If
so when?
Mark
David Simpson
<stej...@gmx.co.uk> writes
to your actions can be expensive and remember many of these actions are
pursued in the civil courts which only need a balance of probability
rather than "beyond all reasonable doubt". From what I have seen these
type of actions are expensive to *all* parties, win, lose or draw.
"life's a bitch, and then you die"
--
David Simpson
Janet Baraclough
from mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk stuck his foot in his mouth
and dribbled forth
> Brian,
> Don't you think it's gone too far. To be fair with you I feel you
> triggered this whole thing off when you said.
> >Wishful thinking that I would be a little more fulsome in my support, John?
> >Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
> Things were pretty civilised up to this part. I have followed some of
> your comments but unfortunately I'm too thick to understand what the issue is about
> John forging quotes of other people's posts, please can someone explain because I
> don't want to embarrass myself in public again, what's more I wish
I'd never dragged Princess > Margaret into this howwid thread, even
though she (snip)
Oh, all right..now do you understand ?
Janet.
Brian Watson
<mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8dvj7usot9bosduh0...@4ax.com...
> Brian,
>
> Don't you think it's gone too far.
Certainly far enough. I am happy for him to have the last word - I've done
with it.
> To be fair with you I feel you
> triggered this whole thing off when you said.
>
> >Wishful thinking that I would be a little more fulsome in my support,
John?
>
> >Or are you just a paranoid inept fool?
>
> Things were pretty civilised up to this part.
Mmm, *pretty* civilised.
:-)
Must admit I found his editing his reply to my response to make it look as
if I'd wished him "good luck and God speed", or somesuch, when I had done no
such thing pretty provoking.
Of course, he later claimed it was a cut-and-pasting error. Up to you
whether you want to have an opinion on that.
> Even if this bloke Murphy is wrong or even as you say a fool I don't
> feel it serves or helps your cause to say so in writing.
I'm not going to take offence if any/all of this newsgroup chose to kill the
thread when it got a bit heated or, frankly, killfile me. That's all about
making personal choices and, fortunately, newsgroup readers come with the
means to be selective in which articles we do - and don't - follow.
I have been very happy to offer help and the benefit of my experiance,
especially from my time working for an aquarist, to some people who have
posted here. And I still am.
On the other hand, if some nitwit would-be hooligan blunders in here
purporting to fancy himself as an urban terrorist and suggests that I
support his actions, then I'm *very* likely to call him a fool (and possibly
worse, too<g>).
> To start
> calling people fools in a NG only inflames the situation.
True.
> I feel you
> could have put your feelings across in a more dignified manner rather
> than resorting to calling names ie "fool".
Also true.
> I have followed some of
> your comments and Brian you do seem to be pushing the guy for a fight.
I was prepared to say to his face what he said I would *not* say to his
face, that's all.
He then started banging on about him being fit to give me a good thrashing
so I just called his bluff. Being the man he is, he wilted.
You may recall he started this malarkey by claiming the right to ignore the
law and go straight to direct action against his neighbour. Charming.
> What Murphy said about those Princess Margaret comments were right,
> you go too far sometimes Brian.
...not that he had read them, of course.
I must say I don't recall now exactly what I said, but I know I did upset
some people with my comments.
Unfortunately however, that's life; we don't all agree on everything.
> For the record I don't support "either" of you, I think you have both
> gone too far. Lets get back to the gardening issues and stop this
> ridiculous banter.
Absolutely. Well said.
--
Brian
mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk
<janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The message <8dvj7usot9bosduh0...@4ax.com>
> from mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk
>stuck his foot in his mouthand dribbled forth
This type of abuse is uncalled for. I sincerely feel you are out to
provoke trouble and have made matters worst than they need be.
I am not prepared to enter into a slanging match with you Janet. Go a
find somebody else to slag off, its easy sat behing a screen.
I will not reply, have as many "last says" as you like.
Kay Easton
mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk writes
sponsor it, and the govt says it needs to concentrate on its manifesto
promises. So, no.
--
Kay Easton
Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/
Janet Baraclough
from mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk contains these words:
> This type of abuse is uncalled for. I sincerely feel you are out to
> provoke trouble and have made matters worst than they need be.
Are you under the illusion that your judgement or opinions carry
some special authority?
> I am not prepared to enter into a slanging match with you Janet. Go a
> find somebody else to slag off, its easy sat behing a screen.
Maybe if you tried it sitting in front of the screen, your spelling
and grammar would benefit.
Janet.
Brian Watson
"Brian Watson" <br...@spheroid.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1014616762.17320....@news.demon.co.uk...
> I think anyone who cares about this any more has seen enough nonsense for
> one weekend....
...and sorry if that posting appears in your newsreader more than once.
My ISP apparently had hiccups and posted it here hours after I sent it, and
with copies.
I have issued cancels for the duplicates (in case you don't see them and
wonder what I'm gibbering on about now).
--
Brian
John Murphy
<janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The message <cg5l7u0r94rl51ajs...@4ax.com>
> from mar...@removespam.pipex.co.uk contains these words:
>
>> This type of abuse is uncalled for. I sincerely feel you are out to
>> provoke trouble and have made matters worst than they need be.
>
> Are you under the illusion that your judgement or opinions carry
>some special authority?
Don't be so ridiculous; your reply is totally irrelevant to his
remark. Of course he is under no illusion that his opinions carry any
special authority. He made a fair statement, a statement that you were
not able handle. You dont seem to be able to "take" as good as you
"give" Janet do you?
>> I am not prepared to enter into a slanging match with you Janet. Go a
>> find somebody else to slag off, its easy sat behing a screen.
>
> Maybe if you tried it sitting in front of the screen, your spelling
>and grammar would benefit.
Yet another cheap remark that any 10 year old could make. You don't
want to discuss gardening issues do you. Mark is 100% correct you are
trying your best to fuel this argument. Maybe his grammar isn't the
best in the group but his opinion is spot on. You are "provoking"
people!
John Murphy
Janet Baraclough
> want to discuss gardening issues do you. Mark is 100% correct you are
> trying your best to fuel this argument. Maybe his grammar isn't the
> best in the group but his opinion is spot on.
Don't let evidence get in your way, we already know you can't
distinguish wrong guesses from facts.
You are "provoking"
> people!
I hope so. The more people provoke backseat whiners, blinkered
boasters and ineffectual drive-by cadgers to rational thought and
behaviour, the better.
Janet
Kostas Kavoussanakis
> Don't let evidence get in your way, we already know you can't
> distinguish wrong guesses from facts.
Janet (et al),
Why do you bother with this? I am sure he knows best, just as I am
sure that the world will be a better place after he tries his magic.
Don't feed the trolls.
Kostas
wjthornber
dog lovers and with the poops from their daily needs you form a dump
at the base ...two to three applications per day will soon do the
damage!
David Rance
>>> to provoke trouble and have made matters worst than they need be.
>> Are you under the illusion that your judgement or opinions
>> carry some special authority?
JM> Don't be so ridiculous; your reply is totally irrelevant to his
JM> remark. Of course he is under no illusion that his opinions carry
JM> any special authority. He made a fair statement, a statement that
JM> you were not able handle. You dont seem to be able to "take" as good
JM> as you "give" Janet do you?
I do hope that spring comes soon. Our gardeners seem to be getting very
fractious at being kept in all day.
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Janet Baraclough
from "David Rance" <david...@SPAMOFFrance.org.uk> contains these words:
> I do hope that spring comes soon. Our gardeners seem to be getting very
> fractious at being kept in all day.
How true ; but my deepest sympathy goes to the tragic victims of
compulsory unresisted noxious thread syndrome.
These sad cases often show symptoms such as failure to notice, take
part in, or even instigate, more congenial gardening threads. The
worst cases become increasingly passive, lurk on undug beds waiting
to be spoonfed tips on how to garden effortlessly, or are propped up
on the potato couch just watching what others do. Gradually, their
atrophied fingers become too weak to press the delete button, and
they are forced to endure reading very long threads against their
will. Only their faint whines reveal their suffering presence.
Sometimes, they can be helped by a brisk pummeling to restore finger
function, but most of them are doomed, doomed.....
;~}
Janet.
John Murphy
> These sad cases often show symptoms such as failure to notice, take
>part in, or even instigate, more congenial gardening threads. The
>worst cases become increasingly passive, lurk on undug beds waiting
>to be spoonfed tips on how to garden effortlessly, or are propped up
>on the potato couch just watching what others do. Gradually, their
>atrophied fingers become too weak to press the delete button, and
>they are forced to endure reading very long threads against their
>will. Only their faint whines reveal their suffering presence.
>Sometimes, they can be helped by a brisk pummeling to restore finger
>function, but most of them are doomed, doomed.....
>
> ;~}
>
> Janet.
Now then, I suggest you keep taking the medication and pop back and
see me in a fortnight.
Your very close and dear friend John Murphy.
P.S Thank you for the Valentines Day Card
torst...@gmail.com
> Does anyone know the best poison for destroying conifers?
>
> I have a troublemaker of a neighbour who for spite has planted a row
> of conifers down the edge of his land but right outside my windows. I
> expect in 5 years to have almost no light.
>
> Now what is the best way to kill these trees without resorting to
> cutting them down?
>
> Could anyone recommend a good poison, something that is difficult to
> prove that I am the culprit?
>
Ask your council for a complaint form if the hedge is all of these: 2 or more mostly evergreen or semi-evergreen trees or shrubs. over 2 metres tall. affecting your enjoyment of your home or garden because it's too tall.
https://www.gov.uk/how-to-resolve-neighbour-disputes/high-hedges-trees-and-boundaries
David Hill
> February 23, 2002
Look at the posting date
February 23, 2002
Ian Jackson
<da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> writes
--
Ian
Jeff Layman
would have been effective.
--
Jeff
Martin Brown
A regular theme of much science fiction.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Ian Jackson
<jmla...@invalid.invalid> writes
--
Ian
Steve
Fill holes with Ammonium Sulphamate.
https://tinyurl.com/y3jnvapq
Stick twigs into the holes.
Wait two years for tree to die.
