Does anyone know how I get rid of a wasp nest without knowing where exactly it is?
t...@iantib.plus.com
I have a dormer window on the house that has tiles down the sides. I
can see wasps going in under the tiles. If I listen from inside the
house I can hear a loud buzzing inside the wall.
I bought some wasp nest destroyer from B&Q but it said on the
instructions that the foam should be aimed at the nest. But i cant see
the nest.
I have tried spraying it where they are going in and indeed there are
about 200 dead ones in the gutter but there is still a loud buzzing
from inside the wall.
I called the council but they said they wanted £60 unless I was in a
council house in which case its free.
It seems a bit unfair as my council tax is about £800 pa!!!
Can anyone help.
How many wasps live in a nest?
Can I kill it off without knowing where it is?
Zizz
<t...@iantib.plus.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have a dormer window on the house that has tiles down the sides. I
> can see wasps going in under the tiles. If I listen from inside the
> house I can hear a loud buzzing inside the wall.
>
> I bought some wasp nest destroyer from B&Q but it said on the
> instructions that the foam should be aimed at the nest. But i cant see
> the nest.
>
> I have tried spraying it where they are going in and indeed there are
> about 200 dead ones in the gutter but there is still a loud buzzing
> from inside the wall.
>
> council house in which case its free.
>
>
> Can anyone help.
>
> How many wasps live in a nest?
>
> Can I kill it off without knowing where it is?
I would have thought that considering wasps being dangerous creatures that
the council would remove them free of charge purely on this basis.
Apart from that I think that if you can't get to the nest then it's going to
be difficult to eradicate, my only thought of how to do this would be by
some form of fumigation via said airbrick.
HTH
Pen Phill
>exactly it is?
>From: t...@iantib.plus.com
>Date: 27/07/02 20:26 Romance Daylight Time
>Message-id: <42p5kuk26fr7c5o3g...@4ax.com>
>
>Hi,
>
>I have a dormer window on the house that has tiles down the sides. I
>can see wasps going in under the tiles. If I listen from inside the
>house I can hear a loud buzzing inside the wall.
>
>I bought some wasp nest destroyer from B&Q but it said on the
>instructions that the foam should be aimed at the nest. But i cant see
>the nest.
>
>I have tried spraying it where they are going in and indeed there are
>about 200 dead ones in the gutter but there is still a loud buzzing
>from inside the wall.
>
>council house in which case its free.
>
>
>Can anyone help.
>
>How many wasps live in a nest?
>
>Can I kill it off without knowing where it is?
>
Sounds awkward if you cant get to it..
There can be anything up to 5000 wasps (Vespula vulgaris or V. germanica) in a
big nest at any one time and they can get quite angry when disturbed. If you
can't treat it directly and spraying under the tiles is not effective, you may
have to take off some off the tiles to expose the nest but you should be
careful. The upside is that you should be free of bluebottles :-))
Here in France we get HUGE hornets (Vespa crabro) anything up to 1 1/2" long,
making nests under the tiles and in the chimneys The fire service deal with
their nests free.
Best of luck
Phil
Serena Blanchflower
t...@iantib.plus.com said...
> Hi,
>
> I have a dormer window on the house that has tiles down the sides. I
> can see wasps going in under the tiles. If I listen from inside the
> house I can hear a loud buzzing inside the wall.
>
> I bought some wasp nest destroyer from B&Q but it said on the
> instructions that the foam should be aimed at the nest. But i cant see
> the nest.
>
> I have tried spraying it where they are going in and indeed there are
> about 200 dead ones in the gutter but there is still a loud buzzing
> from inside the wall.
First thought; are the wasps actually causing a nuisance. I've had
a number of wasps nests over the years but it is very rare for them
to have caused any problems.
>
> I called the council but they said they wanted Ł60 unless I was in a
> council house in which case its free.
>
> It seems a bit unfair as my council tax is about Ł800 pa!!!
>
> Can anyone help.
>
The only time I have felt the need to kill the nest, I found a
company in yellow pages who did the job for far less than the
council would have asked. This approach was actually suggested by
the chap in the council who I spoke to.
They killed the wasps by squirting powder in through the hole in the
tiles which they were using as their entrance. No need to take up
the floor boards (the nest was under the bedroom floor) to spray the
nest directly.
--
Cheers, Serena
Where nothing is sure, everything is possible (Margaret Drabble)
Tom Warner
>
> I have a dormer window on the house that has tiles down the sides. I
> can see wasps going in under the tiles. If I listen from inside the
> house I can hear a loud buzzing inside the wall.
>
> I bought some wasp nest destroyer from B&Q but it said on the
> instructions that the foam should be aimed at the nest. But i cant see
> the nest.
>
> I have tried spraying it where they are going in and indeed there are
> about 200 dead ones in the gutter but there is still a loud buzzing
> from inside the wall.
>
> council house in which case its free.
>
>
> Can anyone help.
>
> How many wasps live in a nest?
>
> Can I kill it off without knowing where it is?
Why does everyone who sees a wasp want to kill it?
Are they attacking you, or otherwise causing a nuisance?
We have exactly the same, a wasps nest in the roof space above a dormer
window, we have not found they are a problem at all, in fact I get quite
absorbed watching their comings and goings (I'm easily pleased).
Come winter they will be dead and gone, try and live with them.
Tom
Peter Crosland
all sorts of garden pests so they should be regarded as friends.
t...@iantib.plus.com
under 2 of of which is only 5 weeks old.
The lady told me that only council houses were done free.
t...@iantib.plus.com
<nos...@sblanchflower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
I have 2 children under 2 one only 5 weeks.
My wife has been stung 3 times and I have been stung once.
The funny thing is that they dont seem to fly but crawl around.
t...@iantib.plus.com
wrote:
Tom,
I read in the local rag that a bloke died yesterday after being stung
as he had some sort of reaction.
There are loads of wasps inside the house and with a 5 week old I'm a
little worried.
spamfre...@yahoo.com
My first thought is that age is an irrelevant factor !
My second thought is that if you are that much concerned then cost
will be of a very secondary consideration .
My 3rd thought is - where is the 'gardening' connection ?
Anthony Hughes
<spamfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:21:55 +0100, t...@iantib.plus.com wrote:
>
> My first thought is that age is an irrelevant factor !
Why? Is 5 weeks old enough to be stung by a wasp? If not, at what age do you
recommend?
> My second thought is that if you are that much concerned then cost
> will be of a very secondary consideration .
But it is a consideration, and I read the OP as saying it was the councils
free wasp nest eradication on their own houses that was the problem.
> My 3rd thought is - where is the 'gardening' connection ?
Well surely the people on this newsgroup who deal with wasps every day would
have a wealth of experience from which to try to obtain an answer. Where do
you suggest? (uk.rec.waspnesteradication?)
To the OP, I'm afraid I can't help, except to say keep on trying. Try the
foam again, in the evening to make sure the wasps are all at 'home'.
Good Luck
Ant
Natalie
<t...@iantib.plus.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:15:16 +0100, "Tom Warner" <bon...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
> Tom,
> I read in the local rag that a bloke died yesterday after being stung
> as he had some sort of reaction.
It is not uncommon to be allergic to wasp stings but to have a serious
enough reaction to die is much more unusual. I am aware that I am allergic
and if I get stung again I will need to get to a hospital or doctor asap for
an adrenalin jab. As I haven't been stung for the past 25 years I hope I
can continue to manage to avoid it ;~)
> There are loads of wasps inside the house and with a 5 week old I'm a
> little worried.
Then go through Yellow Pages and find out how much private companies will
charge...they might be cheaper than the Council. If not, £60 is a lot of
money but it will give you the peace of mind...
Natalie
Mike
t...@iantib.plus.com writes
>On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:15:16 +0100, "Tom Warner" <bon...@tesco.net>
>wrote:
>Tom,
>I read in the local rag that a bloke died yesterday after being stung
>as he had some sort of reaction.
>
>There are loads of wasps inside the house and with a 5 week old I'm a
>little worried.
>>
Tom you have reason to be worried if they are that close and aggressive,
and it is easy to make them aggressive, you only have to disturb part of
their habitat, that is why I was rather amazed at someone replying about
'lifting a few tiles'!!!!
My wife is VERY allergic to wasp and bee stings to such a degree that it
is hospital/doctor treatment very quick as she swells up. A sting on the
hand or arm and it is ring/watch off very quickly. She is not a rare
case either, on talking to other people there are quite a few with this
allergy, so mind your children, until it happens you don't know how they
will react.
The best action is leave them alone, 'If you can'
Mike
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Serena Blanchflower
t...@iantib.plus.com said...
> I have 2 children under 2 one only 5 weeks.
> My wife has been stung 3 times and I have been stung once.
>
>
>
over to yellow pages.
Mary Fisher
Peter Crosland <g6...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Unless they are causing you a specific problem leave them be. They feed on
> all sorts of garden pests so they should be regarded as friends.
Very sound advice.
I'm often called on to 'remove' wasps' nests and almost always persuade the
owner to keep it.
They usually say that they're not worried but it's the children or the dog
or the in-laws or the neighbours ... once I've told them the marvellou
natural history of these beautiful and intelligent, not to say useful,
creatures they change their minds.
Keep them. They'll only be there for another couple of months.
Mary
>
>
Peter Crosland
professionals. In Somerset the going rate is £25-30.
Mike
<mary....@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>
>
>I'm often called on to 'remove' wasps' nests and almost always persuade the
>owner to keep it.
>
>They usually say that they're not worried but it's the children or the dog
>or the in-laws or the neighbours ... once I've told them the marvellou
>natural history of these beautiful and intelligent, not to say useful,
>creatures they change their minds.
>
>Keep them. They'll only be there for another couple of months.
>
is swollen and painful?
How would you tell a baby that should it be stung?
Mike
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>The lady told me that only council houses were done free.
This is NOT generally true.
depends on the local council.
--
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BAC
"Grahame Fendle" <nos...@fmurl.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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fortnight ago. Her other neighbour had one done for free a couple of years
back. Things change, I guess.
Grahame Fendle
>Our local council charged my neighbour around £50 to kill a wasp's nest a
>fortnight ago. Her other neighbour had one done for free a couple of years
>back. Things change, I guess.
I think there was a time when local councils were obliged to remove wasp
nests free of charge. No the case now, and my local council charge 45.00
for sub-contractors to come and remove them.
I have a nest at the moment, but they're not bothering anyone so I'm
inclined to leave it. Assuming of course that they go away in the winter...
--
Grahame
Mary Fisher
They will all die before the winter, unless we have an extraordinarily frost
free one. The nest won't be occupied again. Promise.
I suspect that some enlightened councils charge more to deter people from
destroying wasp nests. More information would be a good thing.
Mary
>
> --
> Grahame
Mary Fisher
Sacha <sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> I think it's worth noting at this point that some experienced bee
> keepers think that wasp and bee stings have become more toxic over the
> years with
I haven't heard that one - who has suggested it?
Mary
beekeeper for 25 years
> --
> Sacha
> http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk/
Mike
<mary....@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>
>
>I haven't heard that one - who has suggested it?
>
>Mary
>beekeeper for 25 years
>
aggressive than a wasp, and that a wasp would sting 'just for the sake
of it', whereas a bee will 'think twice' and would far sooner just buzz
off, if you will pardon the pun?
Mike
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John W Williamson
> Hi,
>
> I have a dormer window on the house that has tiles down the sides. I
> can see wasps going in under the tiles. If I listen from inside the
> house I can hear a loud buzzing inside the wall.
>
>
we have a nest, they are nesting in the stone, underneath the kitchen
window. loads of the blighters.
my neigbour suggested parafin - not burning the buggers byt painting it onto
the stone. Somehow they have managed to find a way into the kitchen.
Day one - paint the parafin into the stone ..... observed the wasps (they
hate the smell) and they would not enter the stonework.
Painted morning and night
DAy two - 15 dead wasps in the kitchen.
Painted morning and night
day three - 7 dead wasps in the kitchen.
Painted morning and night
I think that the route that they where taking inyo the kitchen is getting
blocked by the dead wasps.
Day four - 2 dead wasps
Painted morning and night
Hole must be blocked now. The fumes has certainly wiped most of them out
This is the current situation. We had a nest last year in the roof, high
peak council charged 35pounds. I did not fancy getting up a ladder and
painting that everyday so I was happy to pay.
The wasps are learning that the nest stinks of parafin and are not
returning. Should be sorted in a few more days.
I too have a small child (nine months) and the thought of 3/4 wasps entering
and leaving the nest ever 4/5 seconds was scary enough for child,wife and
and myself.
Having been stung in the past .... I really dislike the feckers.
John , Glossop
t...@iantib.plus.com
wrote:
Sorry to upset you but I have found this group to be very knowledgable
about all plant/insect related matters.
My apologies.
Tom Warner
<t...@iantib.plus.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:15:16 +0100, "Tom Warner" <bon...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
> Tom,
> I read in the local rag that a bloke died yesterday after being stung
> as he had some sort of reaction.
>
> There are loads of wasps inside the house and with a 5 week old I'm a
> little worried.
Try and find out where they are getting in, airbricks, holes or gaps in the
ceiling etc.
Shut windows in the vicinity of the nest.
Try not to leave food out where wasps may be attracted to it.
I understand your concerns with small children around, if you still feel you
have to get rid of the nest *DO NOT* do it yourself, get the professionals
in.
I stepped on a nest once and had to run for my life with an angry mob behind
me, I was stung 17 times and it was not pleasant.
I also have a friend who goes into shock if he is stung so I am well aware
of the potential problems, fortunately this is a rare condition.
Sorry if I came across as a bit patronising in my first post, I'm afraid I
get a bit annoyed when people see a black and yellow insect and kill it for
no apparent thought or reason other than it "might" be a wasp.
All the best
Tom
Mary Fisher
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:20:09 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
> <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >Sacha <sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:ksmaku09pgobtvave...@4ax.com...
> >> >
> >> I think it's worth noting at this point that some experienced bee
> >> keepers think that wasp and bee stings have become more toxic over the
> >> years with
> >
> >I haven't heard that one - who has suggested it?
> >
> >Mary
> >beekeeper for 25 years
>
> than you or I. ;-))
I'd be very interested to know some names ...
Mary
GORDON
done anyone any good as far as I'm aware, They are nothing more than pests.
Get the professionals in to do it though. Paraffin works very well but the
smell is with you for weeks. Spend your Ł40 and most companies will come
back and treat the nest for free if they come back within a year (very
doubtful)
I love it in this world! If I die, I want to be asleep like my granddad was
and not screaming with fear like his passengers.
Grahame Fendle
>They will all die before the winter, unless we have an extraordinarily frost
>free one. The nest won't be occupied again. Promise.
As I suspected, thank you.
>I suspect that some enlightened councils charge more to deter people from
>destroying wasp nests. More information would be a good thing.
Possibly. Like I say, I'm of the view that if it isn't causing a problem
then leave it alone. However, I have had a nasty experience with a wasps
nest, so I can understand why some people wouldn't think twice about
removing the buggers.
--
Grahame
Mike
freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>
>I love it in this world! If I die,
Gordon, there is no 'if' about it, you will die, when, know one knows,
but one sure prediction is that everyone WILL die:-))
Ordered your headstone yet?
Mike
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GORDON wrote in message ...
>Yes, I too am inclined to say get rid of the things. A wasp sting has
never
>done anyone any good as far as I'm aware, They are nothing more than
pests.
Wasps only become pests in the autumn, when the nest is being abandoned.
Wasps are fed from the nest until the queen decides to shut up shop, and
throw the remaining adult wasps out. Then they start looking for sugary
things, before that they prey on garden pests.
Mike
www.british-naturism.org.uk
Mary Fisher
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:45:46 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
> <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >Sacha <sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:d20bku897o062kago...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:20:09 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
> >> <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Sacha <sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >news:ksmaku09pgobtvave...@4ax.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> I think it's worth noting at this point that some experienced bee
> >> >> keepers think that wasp and bee stings have become more toxic over
the
> >> >> years with
> >> >
> >> >I haven't heard that one - who has suggested it?
> >> >
> >> >Mary
> >> >beekeeper for 25 years
> >>
> >> Several beekeepers I knew in Jersey who were possibly rather older
> >> than you or I. ;-))
> >
> >I'd be very interested to know some names ...
> >
> >Mary
> >
> >
Maurice Gautier never said anything like that to me ... perhaps you meant
another Maurice.
Full names would be easier to trace.
Mary
> --
> Sacha
> http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk/
Mary Fisher
I've had a horrible experience removing a wasp nest, before I knew any
better.
Most people who have had a bad experience would probably expect someone else
to do it afterwards, if they'd really suffered they would think far more
than twice before doing it themselves :-)
Mary
>
> --
> Grahame
Mary Fisher
GORDON <gor...@mrplumber.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Yes, I too am inclined to say get rid of the things. A wasp sting has
never
> done anyone any good as far as I'm aware, They are nothing more than
pests.
The same could be said of humans.
> Get the professionals in to do it though. Paraffin works very well but the
> smell is with you for weeks.
And is a potential fire risk.
> Spend your £40 and most companies will come
> back and treat the nest for free if they come back within a year (very
> doubtful)
Wasps never occupy an existing nest in the future. Their life cycle doesn't
work like that.
Mary
>
Mike
<sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>
>>Full names would be easier to trace.
>
>>
>Maurice Gautier was the first beekeeper to look after my hive and
>those of my (then) father in law who gave me my colony. Pa in law had
>3 or 4 hives and Maurice looked after them for many years. All my bee
>keeping equipment came from Maurice G; I hired his extracting
>equipment every year, yelled for help and advice when needed - always
>forthcoming - and I have the greatest respect and liking for him. When
>he gave up looking after other peoples' hives another Maurice, who you
>perhaps don't know of, took over mine because he is a friend of many
>years and another very expert bee keeper. I wasn't prepared to bring
>other peoples' full names onto the Net without their permission and I
>would have preferred that we didn't do so.
>--
>Sacha
>http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk/
A classic example of such a thread going to email and removing a
personal conversation from the newsgroup don't you think?
Mike
Explaining a point
Serena Blanchflower
Fendle said...
>
> I think there was a time when local councils were obliged to remove wasp
> nests free of charge. No the case now, and my local council charge 45.00
> for sub-contractors to come and remove them.
>
It certainly hasn't been free for a good few years, at least round
here (Hampshire). Some years ago, a friend of mine was outraged
when the council charged him for removing a wasps nest, despite
never offering any fee when the phoned him to ask him to remove a
swarm of bees!
Mary Fisher
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I think it's worth noting at this point that some experienced bee
> >> >> >> keepers think that wasp and bee stings have become more toxic
over
> >the
> >> >> >> years with
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I haven't heard that one - who has suggested it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mary
> >> >> >beekeeper for 25 years
> >> >>
> >> >> Several beekeepers I knew in Jersey who were possibly rather older
> >> >> than you or I. ;-))
> >> >
> >> >I'd be very interested to know some names ...
> >> >
> >> >Mary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> The two Maurices? ;-)
> >
> >Maurice Gautier never said anything like that to me ... perhaps you meant
> >another Maurice.
> >
> >Full names would be easier to trace.
>
> You appear to doubt my word.
You have given no evidence for stings becoming more toxic.
<snip for the sake of anonymity>
> >
> I wasn't prepared to bring
> other peoples' full names onto the Net without their permission and I
> would have preferred that we didn't do so.
Well, I respect that point of view but at the same time I believe that if
anyone says that authorities have said something that it should be supported
by evidence. If the poster doesn't have the evidence s/he should be prepared
to give the source - otherwise what is stated isn't worth stating.
MG has never hid from publicity though, he's written for me and told me far
more than I either expected or asked. So did E.
After all I didn't KNOW that you were referring to him - there must be more
than two Maurices in Jersey :-)
Mary
David
> Hi,
>
> I have a dormer window on the house that has tiles down the sides. I
> can see wasps going in under the tiles. If I listen from inside the
> house I can hear a loud buzzing inside the wall.
>
> instructions that the foam should be aimed at the nest. But i cant see
> the nest.
>
> I have tried spraying it where they are going in and indeed there are
> about 200 dead ones in the gutter but there is still a loud buzzing
> from inside the wall.
> Can I kill it off without knowing where it is?
Yes you can kill it off, but I find that it takes a few applications
when you are spraying at the entry points rather than the nest itself.
I would not lift tiles or attempt to get to the nest - angry wasps are
nasty things. And I would only spray at night and then not hang
around.
Persevere and if you cant get rid of them you can always get
professionals in.
Dave
>
>You have given no evidence for stings becoming more toxic.
>
from someone with 25 years experience talking to someone with even more.
>
>Well, I respect that point of view but at the same time I believe that if
>anyone says that authorities have said something that it should be supported
>by evidence. If the poster doesn't have the evidence s/he should be prepared
>to give the source - otherwise what is stated isn't worth stating.
>
informal but informed (from personal and other experience) discussions.
This is how all of us have learnt what we know about most of life since
we were born and will continue to learn, by first hand experience, from
other people, from what others say, not least here in urg, where we
often have many different views and many different sets of experience,
(which is a wonderful resource) in order to form our own views - or at
least a 'working hypothesis' which might well change.
Criticism for having different views will simply reduce the wish of
people to post unusual experiences or radical views, leading to
conformity and dullness and intolerance. Learning to respect other
peoples direct experience, especially those for whom one has had enough
time and contact with to know they have good judgement in subject A, so
it might be valuable to give them equal credence in subject B, is a
great help in learning about the world and learning to trust and respect
one's *own* experiences, however odd or unusual. It promotes enquiring
minds, discussion of others experiences, and opens the door to the shy
and the unusual, the wider edges of diversity.
Please let us not get into the state of many newsgroups where it is
impossible to make a statement of any sort without being pilloried for
not citing some study or other evidence, which then rapidly ends up as a
slanging match at worst, or a bland sterile exchange of website
identifiers at best, which on their own are no better 'evidence' and
often a lot worse than personal experience - and they can't be
questioned or encouraged to give more. Just bear in mind that Mendeleyev
(I think it was him?) fixed his experimental results when he was doing
plant genetics, even though he had the right idea, so not everything
that is written down and accepted by the academic world is automatically
correct simply because its in print.
If people choose to say things, then take what they say as their views,
no more nor less. Feel free to disagree, but lets keep it informal and
pleasant, and we'll all learn a lot more as well as be more tolerant. I
think the world could do with a lot more tolerance at the moment.
/End rant mode as they say....
--
David
who got rather a rough reception talking to Americans about homeopathy..
Dave
>It certainly hasn't been free for a good few years, at least round
>here (Hampshire). Some years ago, a friend of mine was outraged
>when the council charged him for removing a wasps nest, despite
>never offering any fee when the phoned him to ask him to remove a
>swarm of bees!
>
Obviously wasps are higher currency than bees, or maybe they come in
bigger denominations, or there is less inflation......
But knowing council minds, I expect they thought he was lucky not to be
asked to pay for the bees he removed for them!
I do agree that it seems very odd to pay such high council taxes, and
then have to pay on top for services which should be provided. There
seems to be a huge gap in the minds of almost all government employees
between where the money comes from, which without exception is business,
and where it is going. More and more often it seems to disappear down a
sink with nothing to show for it, except an increasingly large number of
people 'managing' or 'administering' what's left of it.
--
David
Grahame Fendle
>Most people who have had a bad experience would probably expect someone else
>to do it afterwards, if they'd really suffered they would think far more
>than twice before doing it themselves :-)
:-)
--
Grahame
Grahame Fendle
>It certainly hasn't been free for a good few years, at least round
>here (Hampshire). Some years ago, a friend of mine was outraged
>when the council charged him for removing a wasps nest, despite
>never offering any fee when the phoned him to ask him to remove a
>swarm of bees!
Also in Hampshire. A neighbour of my parents used to keep bees. Almost
every year we had to get him round to take one of his swarms back to his
own garden. :-)
--
Grahame
Mike
<sa...@nospamgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>And I particularly dislike someone trying to rubbish others' opinions
>simply because theirs hasn't encompassed quite the same
>experiences/people/conditions etc.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Serena Blanchflower
said...
>
> But knowing council minds, I expect they thought he was lucky not to be
> asked to pay for the bees he removed for them!
>
it was a fair deal, as I ended up with a new colony of bees (not to
mention the fun of taking the swarm), while someone else was rescued
from an unwanted swarm.
It's a bit different for the people who are on council / police
lists of beekeepers though. This particular friend was quite often
asked to take around 15 swarms a day at busy times of the year.
Rather more than any one beekeeper normally wants, so he also had
the task of finding new homes for them.
Dave
> Just bear in mind that Mendeleyev
>(I think it was him?) fixed his experimental results when he was doing
>plant genetics,
Oh dear, its Mendel (Gregor Johann), Abbot of Brünn, Moravia (1822-84)
who was the botanist and rigged the results.
Mendeleev (Dmitri Ivanovitch, 1834-1907) was the chemist, discovering
the periodic table, but he was a bit more clued up and left gaps where
he was uncertain.
But they shared the same 6 first characters of their names... and lived
during the same 50 years at one point.... so close, but no cigar :-(
--
David
Serena Blanchflower
Fendle said...
>
> Also in Hampshire. A neighbour of my parents used to keep bees. Almost
> every year we had to get him round to take one of his swarms back to his
> own garden. :-)
>
Probably other people's swarms as well. When I had bees in the
garden, we quite often got extra swarms arriving in either my garden
or neighbouring ones. Since the bees left the garden, I haven't had
any swarms either.
BAC
"Dave" <david@||||.com> wrote in message
news:QIF1tEA9...@crown-cottage.demon.co.uk...
<snip>
>
> Please let us not get into the state of many newsgroups where it is
> impossible to make a statement of any sort without being pilloried for
> not citing some study or other evidence, which then rapidly ends up as a
> slanging match at worst, or a bland sterile exchange of website
> identifiers at best, which on their own are no better 'evidence' and
> often a lot worse than personal experience - and they can't be
> questioned or encouraged to give more. Just bear in mind that Mendeleyev
> (I think it was him?) fixed his experimental results when he was doing
> plant genetics, even though he had the right idea, so not everything
> that is written down and accepted by the academic world is automatically
> correct simply because its in print.
>
> If people choose to say things, then take what they say as their views,
> no more nor less. Feel free to disagree, but lets keep it informal and
> pleasant, and we'll all learn a lot more as well as be more tolerant. I
> think the world could do with a lot more tolerance at the moment.
>
Well said that man!
Mary Fisher
Serena Blanchflower <nos...@sblanchflower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.17b37bbe1...@news.freeserve.net...
> In article <OYoy5DAI...@crown-cottage.demon.co.uk>, Dave
> said...
> >
> > But knowing council minds, I expect they thought he was lucky not to be
> > asked to pay for the bees he removed for them!
> >
> Yes, I think that is the thinking. When I had bees, I always felt
> it was a fair deal, as I ended up with a new colony of bees (not to
> mention the fun of taking the swarm), while someone else was rescued
> from an unwanted swarm.
>
> It's a bit different for the people who are on council / police
> lists of beekeepers though. This particular friend was quite often
> asked to take around 15 swarms a day at busy times of the year.
> Rather more than any one beekeeper normally wants, so he also had
> the task of finding new homes for them.
I took said 15 the night before one of our sons was married.
When I had calls the next day and demurred I wasn't popular.
Motto: beekeepers' children shold not get married in the months of May, June
or July.
Mary
Mary Fisher
I know. I wondered about it too :-)
But think about it ...
Mary
>
> --
> Grahame
Mary Fisher
>
> Some time ago Chris Brickells
Who?
LOL
Mary Fisher
> In article <43niku41e0uc4dt14...@4ax.com>, Grahame
> Fendle said...
> >
> > Also in Hampshire. A neighbour of my parents used to keep bees. Almost
> > every year we had to get him round to take one of his swarms back to his
> > own garden. :-)
> >
>
> Probably other people's swarms as well. When I had bees in the
> garden, we quite often got extra swarms arriving in either my garden
> or neighbouring ones. Since the bees left the garden, I haven't had
> any swarms either.
I get one every year and haven't had bees here for a long time.
I reckon I'm doing a public service, drawing them from the nieghbours.
They're always super bees too. And there's the honey ...
:-)
Mary
Serena Blanchflower
Fisher said...
>
> I get one every year and haven't had bees here for a long time.
>
> I reckon I'm doing a public service, drawing them from the nieghbours.
> They're always super bees too. And there's the honey ...
>
> :-)
>
Serena Blanchflower
Fisher said...
>
> Motto: beekeepers' children shold not get married in the months of May, June
> or July.
>
>
>
Mary Fisher
> In article <3d4991d4$0$252$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary
> Fisher said...
> >
> > Motto: beekeepers' children shold not get married in the months of May,
June
> > or July.
> >
> >
> >
> :)
I know. But mine all did ... :-((((((
Then some of them had babies then too.
And I had brain surgery in May 1993.
And breast surgery in June 1998.
Now Spouse has had a hip replacement in July.
I'm giving up.
M
Mary Fisher
> In article <3d499233$0$252$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary
> Fisher said...
> >
> > I get one every year and haven't had bees here for a long time.
> >
> > I reckon I'm doing a public service, drawing them from the nieghbours.
> > They're always super bees too. And there's the honey ...
> >
> > :-)
> >
> Oh, that sounds wonderful - I'm green with envy :)
Want some?
M
Serena Blanchflower
Fisher said...
>
> Serena Blanchflower <nos...@sblanchflower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.17b5a3a3e...@news.freeserve.net...
> > In article <3d499233$0$252$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary
> > Fisher said...
> > >
> > > I get one every year and haven't had bees here for a long time.
> > >
> > > I reckon I'm doing a public service, drawing them from the nieghbours.
> > > They're always super bees too. And there's the honey ...
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > Oh, that sounds wonderful - I'm green with envy :)
>
> Want some?
>
Oh, I would love some! Unfortunately, I had to give up my bees a
few years ago, as I have ME and became too ill to manage them.
I still thoroughly enjoy watching the bees in the garden, but that's
as far as it can go nowadays. It was lovely this morning, sitting
in the garden, watching masses of bees (of all denominations)
working the echinops in front of me, with a group of wasps
contentedly munching on the fence behind me!
Serena Blanchflower
Fisher said...
>
>
> I know. But mine all did ... :-((((((
>
> Then some of them had babies then too.
>
> And I had brain surgery in May 1993.
>
> And breast surgery in June 1998.
>
> Now Spouse has had a hip replacement in July.
>
> I'm giving up.
>
I'm not surprised! It sounds like a dangerous time of year for you.
Mary Fisher
> In article <3d4c0bbb$0$252$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary
> Fisher said...
> >
> >
> > I know. But mine all did ... :-((((((
> >
> > Then some of them had babies then too.
> >
> > And I had brain surgery in May 1993.
> >
> > And breast surgery in June 1998.
> >
> > Now Spouse has had a hip replacement in July.
> >
> > I'm giving up.
> >
>
> I'm not surprised! It sounds like a dangerous time of year for you.
Forgot about other things ...
Heigh ho! Could be worse :-)
M
Mary Fisher
LOL. There speaks a true beekeeper :-)
I grew one seed of echium this year, it's been a joy watching the insects
making the most of it while we have our lunch in the garden.
The echinops is absolutely stunning - and it's not just insects but birds
which enjoy it later.
Trouble is, the hens have enjoyed it too and wriggled so much at the base of
the stems that they're all flattened (the stems, not the hens) and it now
spreads far more than it should. Of course, if I'd been well organised and
tied it back it wouldn't have happened. Perhaps next year ...
But I'm as human as the next man ... <BG>
M
Jon Rouse
<mary....@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>
>Wasps never occupy an existing nest in the future. Their life cycle doesn't
>work like that.
I think we've been through this debate before. Wasps will build a new
nest on top of an old one, and use the same entry point as previously
which to most casual observers is as good as occupying the same nest.
Jon
--
Jon Rouse
Alan Holmes
"Mary Fisher" <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Serena Blanchflower <nos...@sblanchflower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message
> news:MPG.17b5a3a3e...@news.freeserve.net...
> > In article <3d499233$0$252$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary
> > Fisher said...
> > >
> > > I get one every year and haven't had bees here for a long time.
> > >
> > > I reckon I'm doing a public service, drawing them from the nieghbours.
> > > They're always super bees too. And there's the honey ...
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > Oh, that sounds wonderful - I'm green with envy :)
>
> Want some?
Is that the honey or the bees?
Alan
--
Reply to alan(at)windsor-berks(dot)freeserve(dot)uk
Alan Holmes
>
> Serena Blanchflower <nos...@sblanchflower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message
> news:MPG.17b5a3b5...@news.freeserve.net...
> > In article <3d4991d4$0$252$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>, Mary
> > Fisher said...
> > >
> > > Motto: beekeepers' children shold not get married in the months of
May,
> June
> > > or July.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > :)
>
> I know. But mine all did ... :-((((((
>
> Then some of them had babies then too.
>
> And I had brain surgery in May 1993.
Ah, that explains it all!(:-)
Mary Fisher
Alan Holmes <al...@holmes-g4crw.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > And I had brain surgery in May 1993.
>
> Ah, that explains it all!(:-)
So many have said ...
The family was the worst. They said that the surgeon opened my skull, took
out the smaller lump and closed me up. Then discovered that he'd removed the
wrong one.
That's families for you. Heigh ho!
:-)))))
M
Nick Maclaren
Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Alan Holmes <al...@holmes-g4crw.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:akrcub$umb$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> > And I had brain surgery in May 1993.
>>
>> Ah, that explains it all!(:-)
>
>So many have said ...
>
>The family was the worst. They said that the surgeon opened my skull, took
>out the smaller lump and closed me up. Then discovered that he'd removed the
>wrong one.
>
>That's families for you. Heigh ho!
>
>:-)))))
So you have one like that, too :-)
Regards,
Nick Maclaren,
University of Cambridge Computing Service,
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England.
Email: nm...@cam.ac.uk
Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679
Mary Fisher
Nick Maclaren <nm...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <3d72173e$0$254$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> Mary Fisher <mary....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Alan Holmes <al...@holmes-g4crw.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:akrcub$umb$3...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >>
> >> > And I had brain surgery in May 1993.
> >>
> >> Ah, that explains it all!(:-)
> >
> >So many have said ...
> >
> >The family was the worst. They said that the surgeon opened my skull,
took
> >out the smaller lump and closed me up. Then discovered that he'd removed
the
> >wrong one.
> >
> >That's families for you. Heigh ho!
> >
> >:-)))))
>
> So you have one like that, too :-)
Well at least they talk to me :-)
M
>