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harry
Jan 20, 2012, 1:51:46 PM1/20/12
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McKevvy
Jan 20, 2012, 3:41:29 PM1/20/12
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On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
> Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago.
> Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
They don't get my sympathy.
McK.
Mel Rowing
Jan 20, 2012, 3:46:50 PM1/20/12
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The Mullahs would chop their bloody hands off. There'd only be need to
do it once!
Jeff Layman
Jan 20, 2012, 3:51:13 PM1/20/12
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On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
Maybe British Rail should make copies of the photos and put them at
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
regular intervals along their tracks.
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Jeff
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Nigel Oldfield
Jan 20, 2012, 5:04:57 PM1/20/12
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On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Gotta sting.
WM
TMC
Jan 20, 2012, 5:15:29 PM1/20/12
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"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Would not want to clear that up
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jan 20, 2012, 5:30:45 PM1/20/12
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In uk.rec.gardening harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote:
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
That's quite impressively messy. Took a while to work out what I was
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
looking at when I could only see the first picture.
The horrid thing is, I can now picture what my dad encountered the time he
was driving a train on track where a child had been playing and was caught
by the third rail. He was off work quite a while after that. Kind of
wishing I hadn't thought of that just before bed.
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gri...@gmail.com
Jan 20, 2012, 7:29:33 PM1/20/12
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:51:46 -0800 (PST), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:
Stupid bastards. Nice to see the Nikes survived, though.
wrote:
Stupid bastards. Nice to see the Nikes survived, though.
Andrew Gabriel
Jan 20, 2012, 7:37:10 PM1/20/12
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In article <80948c54-f292-47fb...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
but the hostname was bought by someone else a few years ago who just
switched it to point at their own site, and as far as I know, it was
all lost.
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Andrew Gabriel
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harry <harol...@aol.com> writes:
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
ogrish.com used to have lots of these pictures (most very much worse)
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
but the hostname was bought by someone else a few years ago who just
switched it to point at their own site, and as far as I know, it was
all lost.
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Andrew Gabriel
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Christina Websell
Jan 20, 2012, 10:35:22 PM1/20/12
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"McKevvy" <vicko_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nor mine, if was greed, but a whole different ballgame if they needed the
money to eat.
Michael Bell
Jan 21, 2012, 1:34:00 AM1/21/12
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Michael Bell
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harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote:
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
This looks fake to me.
> Not for the faint hearted this one!
> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
Michael Bell
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Larry Stoter
Jan 21, 2012, 2:21:39 AM1/21/12
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is let go ...
Larry
mogga
Jan 21, 2012, 8:14:00 AM1/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:37:10 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>In article <80948c54-f292-47fb...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> harry <harol...@aol.com> writes:
>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>
>ogrish.com used to have lots of these pictures (most very much worse)
>but the hostname was bought by someone else a few years ago who just
>switched it to point at their own site, and as far as I know, it was
>all lost.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://ogrish.com
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>In article <80948c54-f292-47fb...@k29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> harry <harol...@aol.com> writes:
>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>
>ogrish.com used to have lots of these pictures (most very much worse)
>but the hostname was bought by someone else a few years ago who just
>switched it to point at their own site, and as far as I know, it was
>all lost.
That any use?
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David in Normandy
Jan 21, 2012, 12:23:40 PM1/21/12
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Jan 21, 2012, 12:31:16 PM1/21/12
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Steve O
Jan 21, 2012, 4:23:13 PM1/21/12
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On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as
if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
services arrived.
I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
Ian Jackson
Jan 21, 2012, 4:49:46 PM1/21/12
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In message <9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>, Steve O
<nos...@here.thanks> writes
Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves.
This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone
connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for
several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of
living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by
Friday.
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Ian
<nos...@here.thanks> writes
This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone
connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for
several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of
living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by
Friday.
--
Ian
Bob Eager
Jan 21, 2012, 5:11:20 PM1/21/12
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Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
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Ian Jackson
Jan 21, 2012, 5:22:24 PM1/21/12
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In message <9o0rg8...@mid.individual.net>, Bob Eager
<news...@eager.cx> writes
uk.rec.gardening.
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Ian
<news...@eager.cx> writes
>On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
>> In message <9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>, Steve O
>> <nos...@here.thanks> writes
>>>On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>>
>>>
>>>Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as
>>>if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
>>>services arrived.
>>>I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
>>>a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
>>
>> Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves.
>> This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone
>> connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for
>> several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of
>> living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by
>> Friday.
>
>See the "Ambridge" thread!
>
It's not in uk.d-i-y and legal.uk, so presumably it's in
>
>> In message <9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>, Steve O
>> <nos...@here.thanks> writes
>>>On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>>
>>>
>>>Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as
>>>if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
>>>services arrived.
>>>I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
>>>a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
>>
>> Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves.
>> This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone
>> connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for
>> several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of
>> living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by
>> Friday.
>
>See the "Ambridge" thread!
>
uk.rec.gardening.
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Ian
Andrew Gabriel
Jan 21, 2012, 5:26:24 PM1/21/12
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In article <9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>,
> and the fire spread,
Extent of the plasma arc path across the surface of the ground - a
self-sustaining fire is unlikely
> it looks as
> if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
> services arrived.
They will have stood back and watched, until assured by the electric
company that the power was off, and attendance at site of electric
company personel to test it really is off.
> I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
> a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
They never do, in case someone is offended.
You could say the same for car/motorbike crashes, etc.
It would probably help significantly if teenagers understood
how fragile their bodies are by actually seeing what happens
to bodies in a crash before they were allowed to control a
vehicle on the road, but that would be politically unacceptable,
so they are let loose at a time in their lives where they are
under a complete misapprehension of being indestructable.
Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> writes:
> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>
>
> Judging by the dried foam on his head
Remains of their hats
> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>
>
> Judging by the dried foam on his head
> and the fire spread,
Extent of the plasma arc path across the surface of the ground - a
self-sustaining fire is unlikely
> it looks as
> if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
> services arrived.
company that the power was off, and attendance at site of electric
company personel to test it really is off.
> I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
> a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
You could say the same for car/motorbike crashes, etc.
It would probably help significantly if teenagers understood
how fragile their bodies are by actually seeing what happens
to bodies in a crash before they were allowed to control a
vehicle on the road, but that would be politically unacceptable,
so they are let loose at a time in their lives where they are
under a complete misapprehension of being indestructable.
Steve O
Jan 21, 2012, 5:29:27 PM1/21/12
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wondering if it due to cable theft
Bob Eager
Jan 21, 2012, 5:34:59 PM1/21/12
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Andrew Gabriel
Jan 21, 2012, 5:58:17 PM1/21/12
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In article <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
sorry for them. Of course, I have no way of knowing if they would
have taken that chance even if it had been made available to them,
or if they would have continued to be a blight on society, or if
they've been a blight on society for some time before this.
own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
sorry for them. Of course, I have no way of knowing if they would
have taken that chance even if it had been made available to them,
or if they would have continued to be a blight on society, or if
they've been a blight on society for some time before this.
polygonum
Jan 21, 2012, 6:14:37 PM1/21/12
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do think that people who do things like this completely ignore the danger
they pose to the rest of us by their actions. The safety systems that
fail. The operations that are interrupted or deferred - and the
consequences of that.
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polygonum
Jan 21, 2012, 6:27:21 PM1/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:17:03 -0000, Tim Streater
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <op.v8giu...@pennybun.cable.virginmedia.net>,
> minds.
>
Probably right in many cases.
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Rod
<timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <op.v8giu...@pennybun.cable.virginmedia.net>,
> polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am certainly not going to flat out disagree with your humane view.
>> But I do think that people who do things like this completely ignore
>> the danger they pose to the rest of us by their actions.
>
> I doubt if they ignore them. I doubt if such issues ever enter their
>
>> I am certainly not going to flat out disagree with your humane view.
>> But I do think that people who do things like this completely ignore
>> the danger they pose to the rest of us by their actions.
>
> minds.
>
Probably right in many cases.
--
Rod
Frank Erskine
Jan 21, 2012, 6:45:35 PM1/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>In article <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>> Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago.
>> They don't get my sympathy.
>
>I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>sorry for them.
But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court.
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>In article <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>> Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago.
>> They don't get my sympathy.
>
>I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>sorry for them.
Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding
electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways.
I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served
a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively
"commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment.
--
Frank Erskine
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Jan 21, 2012, 9:06:56 PM1/21/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:49:46 +0000, Ian Jackson
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves.
>This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone
>connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for
>several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of
>living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by
>Friday.
<breathes sigh of relief>
>Even the inhabitants of Ambridge have had problems with cable thieves.
>This very week, most of the village lost its broadband and telephone
>connections after "200 meters" of cable was purloined. As a result, for
>several days, many were temporarily reduced to a Stone Age way of
>living. However, I believe that normal service had been restored by
>Friday.
I was on my chair edge there.
polygonum
Jan 22, 2012, 3:18:52 AM1/22/12
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PeterC
Jan 22, 2012, 3:30:02 AM1/22/12
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whilst religions hold sway
David in Normandy
Jan 22, 2012, 3:51:11 AM1/22/12
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On 22/01/2012 00:17, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <op.v8giu...@pennybun.cable.virginmedia.net>,
> polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In article <op.v8giu...@pennybun.cable.virginmedia.net>,
> polygonum <rmoud...@vrod.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am certainly not going to flat out disagree with your humane view.
>> But I do think that people who do things like this completely ignore
>> the danger they pose to the rest of us by their actions.
>
>> But I do think that people who do things like this completely ignore
>> the danger they pose to the rest of us by their actions.
>
> I doubt if they ignore them. I doubt if such issues ever enter their minds.
>
They probably weren't bright sparks.
>
The Medway Handyman
Jan 22, 2012, 5:21:54 AM1/22/12
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smashed up cars on the roundabouts along with suitable 'don't drink &
drive' posters.
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Mike Tomlinson
Jan 22, 2012, 5:55:26 AM1/22/12
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En el artículo <qaimh7hojvq5tkvf8...@4ax.com>, Frank
Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> escribió:
>But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court.
>Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding
>electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways.
Agreed. Darwin in action.
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(='.'=)
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Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> escribió:
>But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court.
>Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding
>electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways.
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Jan 22, 2012, 8:00:34 AM1/22/12
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joe
Jan 22, 2012, 9:45:11 AM1/22/12
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Frank Erskine wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
> (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> > McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >> On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> Not for the faint hearted this
> one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 >> Yup.
> This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. >> They don't get my
> sympathy.
> >
> > I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
> > own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> > to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
> > they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
> > chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
> > sorry for them.
>
> But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court.
> Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding
> electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways.
>
But were the signs in 20 different languages, judging by their colour,
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
> (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> > McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >> On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> Not for the faint hearted this
> one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 >> Yup.
> This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago. >> They don't get my
> sympathy.
> >
> > I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
> > own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> > to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
> > they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
> > chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
> > sorry for them.
>
> But their "death sentence" is self-imposed, not dished out by a court.
> Numerous warning signs tell them of the dangers surrounding
> electricity poles/pylons, substations and railways.
>
they might not have been able to read the signs.
kay
Jan 22, 2012, 4:59:17 AM1/22/12
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Frank Erskine;947799 Wrote:
>
>
> I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served
> a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively
> "commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment.
>
might get a life sentence, and the next day a serial murderer gets a £50
fine? The whole idea of making the punishment commensurate to the crime
does put a price (or at least a price range) on it.
But I think you were perhaps referring to the Rehabilitation of
Offenders Act whereby after a period your crime may be "spent" and you
no longer have to declare it on job applications. It takes a time for
your crime to be "spent" and many ever are.
If someone who does something stupid when they're young (and a third of
young men born in 1953 acquired a conviction (not including motoring
offences) by the age of 30) finds they are barred from legal means of
earning a living, people may feel that it's their own fault, but it
leaves them with only illegal ways of acquiring money, and that's bad
news for all of us. The tricky thing is getting the balance between
protecting society by letting everyone know who has committed a crime,
and protecting society by giving people a chance to put it behind them
and become a productive member of society.
--
kay
ARWadsworth
Jan 22, 2012, 11:08:37 AM1/22/12
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article
> <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this
>>> one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>> Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago.
>> They don't get my sympathy.
>
> I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
> own criminal actions,
>but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> to suggest a death sentence is appropriate.
So you have never met a Daily Mail reader then?
> In article
> <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this
>>> one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>> Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago.
>> They don't get my sympathy.
>
> I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
> own criminal actions,
>but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> to suggest a death sentence is appropriate.
--
Adam
charles
Jan 22, 2012, 1:33:24 PM1/22/12
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In article <timstreater-AA9C...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
[Snip]
> I was wondering that myself:
> Meter: device for measuring something e.g. volts
> Metre: foreign unit of length
in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too. We changed
to the French spelling later - perhaps to make it easier for us to join the
EEC? or was it when Concord became Concorde?
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
[Snip]
> I was wondering that myself:
> Meter: device for measuring something e.g. volts
> Metre: foreign unit of length
in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too. We changed
to the French spelling later - perhaps to make it easier for us to join the
EEC? or was it when Concord became Concorde?
--
From KT24
Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16
The Grey Man
Jan 22, 2012, 1:57:14 PM1/22/12
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>I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>sorry for them.
Are you for real?
>own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>sorry for them.
Mike
Jan 22, 2012, 2:22:24 PM1/22/12
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"charles" <cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5255ab2e...@charleshope.demon.co.uk...
I went to school in the 40's and the 50's. The Meter was the thing which
measured the Gas or Electric used. (Some took the Penny or the Shilling) The
Metre was the unit of measure.
Mike
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...................................
I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.
...................................
Ian Jackson
Jan 22, 2012, 2:28:19 PM1/22/12
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In message <5255ab2e...@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> writes
an intelligent spool choker which, when presented with words which have
alternative spellings, asks "Do you really want to spell it this way?"
Is there such a thing?
BTW, even though I was brought up with bushels and pecks, and rods,
poles, perches, chains and furlongs, I have no recollection of us ever
spelling the 39.37" metre as 'meter'.
--
Ian
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <timstreater-AA9C...@news.individual.net>,
> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>[Snip]
>
>> I was wondering that myself:
>
>> Meter: device for measuring something e.g. volts
>> Metre: foreign unit of length
>
>in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too. We changed
>to the French spelling later - perhaps to make it easier for us to join the
>EEC? or was it when Concord became Concorde?
>
Ecksully, I never EVER make the mistake I just made! What is needed is
> Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>[Snip]
>
>> I was wondering that myself:
>
>> Meter: device for measuring something e.g. volts
>> Metre: foreign unit of length
>
>in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too. We changed
>to the French spelling later - perhaps to make it easier for us to join the
>EEC? or was it when Concord became Concorde?
>
an intelligent spool choker which, when presented with words which have
alternative spellings, asks "Do you really want to spell it this way?"
Is there such a thing?
BTW, even though I was brought up with bushels and pecks, and rods,
poles, perches, chains and furlongs, I have no recollection of us ever
spelling the 39.37" metre as 'meter'.
--
Ian
Bill Grey
Jan 22, 2012, 3:34:07 PM1/22/12
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"The Grey Man" <juan...@budweiser.com> wrote in message
news:9vmoh79vcnmksc1co...@4ax.com...
and theft is a deplorable offence. We've left the days of "let the
punishment fit the crime" long ago. Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment
such as high voltage overhead lines or underground cables, have to protect
the offenders agianst their own stupidity. The Electricity supply industry
near me had a primary substaton surrounded by an 8 ft high Lochrin fence.
This wasn't enough to prevent thieves getting in to the substation, so coils
of razor wire were installed inside the Lochrin fencing as were signs
warning thieves of the presence of the razor wire!!!
Not only did the thieves die, but the families, presumably innocent,
suffered a life long loss. This is the sad bit.
Bill
ARWadsworth
Jan 22, 2012, 3:54:03 PM1/22/12
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Bill Grey wrote:
> "The Grey Man" <juan...@budweiser.com> wrote in message
> news:9vmoh79vcnmksc1co...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
>> (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>>
>>> I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>>> own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>>> to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>>> they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>>> chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>>> sorry for them.
>>
>> Are you for real?
>
>
> It may well be a gut feeling for many to feel they got what they
> deserved, and theft is a deplorable offence. We've left the days of
> "let the punishment fit the crime" long ago.
Thank fuck for that.
> "The Grey Man" <juan...@budweiser.com> wrote in message
> news:9vmoh79vcnmksc1co...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
>> (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>>
>>> I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>>> own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>>> to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>>> they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>>> chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>>> sorry for them.
>>
>> Are you for real?
>
>
> It may well be a gut feeling for many to feel they got what they
> deserved, and theft is a deplorable offence. We've left the days of
> "let the punishment fit the crime" long ago.
--
Adam
Dave Liquorice
Jan 22, 2012, 3:57:33 PM1/22/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 03:35:22 -0000, Christina Websell wrote:
> Nor mine, if was greed, but a whole different ballgame if they needed
> the money to eat.
So not having money to eat is an excuse for theft? Not in my book and
certainly not in the UK where to fall completely through the benefits
net takes some doing.
--
Cheers
Dave.
> Nor mine, if was greed, but a whole different ballgame if they needed
> the money to eat.
So not having money to eat is an excuse for theft? Not in my book and
certainly not in the UK where to fall completely through the benefits
net takes some doing.
--
Cheers
Dave.
McKevvy
Jan 22, 2012, 4:20:49 PM1/22/12
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On Jan 22, 8:34 pm, "Bill Grey" <bill.g...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "The Grey Man" <juan.k...@budweiser.com> wrote in messagenews:9vmoh79vcnmksc1co...@4ax.com...
Gotta disagree with you there. These scum committed not just a crime
but a sheer act of utter stupidity on a level that beggars belief. How
would you have felt if you were a passenger on one of the many trains
that were held up due to this insane act? Not only that but there is
also the cost of replacing the damage, the cos of the rescue crews
time, the cost of lost service to the Train Operating Company.
I have absolutely no sympathy at all but no doubt their thick gang
friends won't take note and will be back to rob the network of more
cables pretty soon.
It's a pity that death was instant for those two loons.
McK.
> "The Grey Man" <juan.k...@budweiser.com> wrote in messagenews:9vmoh79vcnmksc1co...@4ax.com...
but a sheer act of utter stupidity on a level that beggars belief. How
would you have felt if you were a passenger on one of the many trains
that were held up due to this insane act? Not only that but there is
also the cost of replacing the damage, the cos of the rescue crews
time, the cost of lost service to the Train Operating Company.
I have absolutely no sympathy at all but no doubt their thick gang
friends won't take note and will be back to rob the network of more
cables pretty soon.
It's a pity that death was instant for those two loons.
McK.
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Bill Grey
Jan 22, 2012, 5:29:54 PM1/22/12
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"ARWadsworth" <adamwa...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Bill
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hugh
Jan 22, 2012, 6:18:34 PM1/22/12
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In message <kay.9...@gardenbanter.co.uk>, kay
<kay.9...@gardenbanter.co.uk> writes
>--
>kay
--
hugh
<kay.9...@gardenbanter.co.uk> writes
>
>Frank Erskine;947799 Wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served
>> a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively
>> "commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment.
>>
>
>But how can you do otherwise? Have a lottery where one day a shoplifter
>might get a life sentence, and the next day a serial murderer gets a
>£50
>fine? The whole idea of making the punishment commensurate to the crime
>does put a price (or at least a price range) on it.
>
>But I think you were perhaps referring to the Rehabilitation of
>Offenders Act whereby after a period your crime may be "spent" and you
>no longer have to declare it on job applications. It takes a time for
>your crime to be "spent" and many ever are.
>
IIRC only non-custodial crimes are ever "spent"
>Frank Erskine;947799 Wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served
>> a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively
>> "commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment.
>>
>
>But how can you do otherwise? Have a lottery where one day a shoplifter
>might get a life sentence, and the next day a serial murderer gets a
>£50
>fine? The whole idea of making the punishment commensurate to the crime
>does put a price (or at least a price range) on it.
>
>But I think you were perhaps referring to the Rehabilitation of
>Offenders Act whereby after a period your crime may be "spent" and you
>no longer have to declare it on job applications. It takes a time for
>your crime to be "spent" and many ever are.
>
>--
>kay
--
hugh
Janet
Jan 22, 2012, 7:07:57 PM1/22/12
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In article <bkf6VRKKlJHPFA$i...@raefell.demon.co.uk>, hugh@[127.0.0.1]
says...
Nope. Prison sentences shorter than two and a half years become spent
after a certain period. Sentences longer than that, don't.
Janet
says...
after a certain period. Sentences longer than that, don't.
Janet
Steve O
Jan 23, 2012, 1:12:29 AM1/23/12
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On 21/01/2012 22:26, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article<9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>,
Look again at the fifth photo and you will see that there is some dried
foam on a remaining unburnt piece of his red hat.
> In article<9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steve O<nos...@here.thanks> writes:
>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>
>>
>> Judging by the dried foam on his head
>
> Remains of their hats
>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>
>>
>> Judging by the dried foam on his head
>
Look again at the fifth photo and you will see that there is some dried
foam on a remaining unburnt piece of his red hat.
larkim
Jan 23, 2012, 5:00:34 AM1/23/12
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you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
their children / wife / family? No, you don't. It sickens me when
people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
value as you and I. Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
cared about them there is no reason to gloat.
"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.
Matt
harry
Jan 23, 2012, 5:11:56 AM1/23/12
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fail.
There are too many non-productive idle bastards in our own society who
somehow seem to think they deserve a living without working.
Well two less to pass on their faulty genes.
What happened to them arose because they had never been taught about
consequences.
tony sayer
Jan 23, 2012, 6:00:25 AM1/23/12
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In article <9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>, Steve O
<nos...@here.thanks> scribeth thus
>On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>
>
>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>
>
>Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as
>if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
>services arrived.
>I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
>a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
They know what there're doing, and they know that getting killed is a
>if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
>services arrived.
>I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
>a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
risk they take, but that doesn't stop them.
We had a comms site a while ago where they took SIX inches yes 6 inches
of earthing braid, thats like what connects car batteries to the
metalwork of the car in older vehicles.
What that was worth I don't know. Hardly worth the fuel to drive out to
a lone hill top and nick just that. Fuel, I wonder where they got that
from;-?...
--
Tony Sayer
The Other Mike
Jan 23, 2012, 7:18:09 AM1/23/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:34:07 -0000, "Bill Grey"
<bill...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>The Electricity supply industry
>near me had a primary substaton surrounded by an 8 ft high Lochrin fence.
>This wasn't enough to prevent thieves getting in to the substation, so coils
>of razor wire were installed inside the Lochrin fencing as were signs
>warning thieves of the presence of the razor wire!!!
>
>Not only did the thieves die, but the families, presumably innocent,
>suffered a life long loss. This is the sad bit.
They bled to death because of the razor wire or did they somehow get
<bill...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>The Electricity supply industry
>near me had a primary substaton surrounded by an 8 ft high Lochrin fence.
>This wasn't enough to prevent thieves getting in to the substation, so coils
>of razor wire were installed inside the Lochrin fencing as were signs
>warning thieves of the presence of the razor wire!!!
>
>Not only did the thieves die, but the families, presumably innocent,
>suffered a life long loss. This is the sad bit.
past that?
--
gri...@gmail.com
Jan 23, 2012, 7:26:51 AM1/23/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:33:24 +0000 (GMT), charles
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.
I can see that if you attended an American or
<cha...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.
American-funded/influenced school, but the metre was standard spelling
in the UK back then.
gri...@gmail.com
Jan 23, 2012, 7:33:45 AM1/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:11:56 -0800 (PST), harry <harol...@aol.com>
wrote:
>Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
>fail.
>There are too many non-productive idle bastards in our own society who
>somehow seem to think they deserve a living without working.
See that? That's a huge irony, that is. If the idle useless scum had
put as much effort into doing something legit, they'd have been better
off (apart from being not dead, that is) - ffs, going round knocking
doors asking for tidying work, painting fences, car washing, window
cleaning, bit of brain surgery on the side, anything to make a few
quid.
wrote:
>Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
>fail.
>There are too many non-productive idle bastards in our own society who
>somehow seem to think they deserve a living without working.
put as much effort into doing something legit, they'd have been better
off (apart from being not dead, that is) - ffs, going round knocking
doors asking for tidying work, painting fences, car washing, window
cleaning, bit of brain surgery on the side, anything to make a few
quid.
charles
Jan 23, 2012, 8:05:17 AM1/23/12
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In article <sckqh7hsd2h4mk123...@4ax.com>,
no - it was very British - but I suppose our physics text books might have
been American - but I doubt it since they dealt with the cgs system (which
the American had probably never hear of)
been American - but I doubt it since they dealt with the cgs system (which
the American had probably never hear of)
Jim
Jan 23, 2012, 8:13:30 AM1/23/12
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Janet
Jan 23, 2012, 9:06:43 AM1/23/12
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In article <9e3a51ee-83ea-4b24-b742-0ca865077ac3
@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, harol...@aol.com says...
> Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
> fail.
Well, we don't all take the same view on who are the scum tearing
society apart.
Janet
@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, harol...@aol.com says...
> Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
> fail.
society apart.
Janet
gri...@gmail.com
Jan 23, 2012, 9:09:40 AM1/23/12
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Well, they weren't attempting to nick the copper to use as decorative
trim on their kitchen cabinets, were they?
trim on their kitchen cabinets, were they?
Dave Plowman (News)
Jan 23, 2012, 9:30:20 AM1/23/12
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In article <9o3i8o...@mid.individual.net>,
Then the world would be empty, except for the hangman. So who would hang
him?
--
*Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you.
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
Huge <Hu...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> > Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment such as high voltage overhead
> > lines or underground cables, have to protect the offenders agianst
> > their own stupidity.
> Not in my world. Stupidity is a capital offence.
> > Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment such as high voltage overhead
> > lines or underground cables, have to protect the offenders agianst
> > their own stupidity.
Then the world would be empty, except for the hangman. So who would hang
him?
--
*Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you.
Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
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®i©ardo
Jan 23, 2012, 9:41:31 AM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 10:00, larkim wrote:
> On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, The Grey Man<juan.k...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
>>
>> (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>>> I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>>> own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>>> to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>>> they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>>> chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>>> sorry for them.
>>
>> Are you for real?
>
> He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
> you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
> Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
> their children / wife / family? No, you don't.
And nor do you.
> On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, The Grey Man<juan.k...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
>>
>> (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
>>> I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>>> own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>>> to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>>> they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>>> chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>>> sorry for them.
>>
>> Are you for real?
>
> He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
> you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
> Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
> their children / wife / family? No, you don't.
It sickens me when
> people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
> value as you and I.
Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
> they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
> cared about them there is no reason to gloat.
>
> "No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
> Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
> Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
> manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
> me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
> for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.
>
> Matt
Moving things in still pictures
®i©ardo
Jan 23, 2012, 9:42:19 AM1/23/12
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On 21/01/2012 17:31, 'Mike' wrote:
>
>
> "David in Normandy" <Davidin...@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:4f1af49b$0$2501$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bet it came as a shock.
>>
>> --
>> David in Normandy. Davidin...@yahoo.fr
>> To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
>> subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
>> by a filter and not reach my inbox.
>
>
> An electrifying experience?
>
> Mike
>
>
Well, that's good enough for the current thread.
>
>
> "David in Normandy" <Davidin...@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:4f1af49b$0$2501$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr...
>> On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
>>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>>
>>> Gotta sting.
>>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bet it came as a shock.
>>
>> --
>> David in Normandy. Davidin...@yahoo.fr
>> To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
>> subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
>> by a filter and not reach my inbox.
>
>
> An electrifying experience?
>
> Mike
>
>
Well, that's good enough for the current thread.
larkim
Jan 23, 2012, 9:51:25 AM1/23/12
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On Jan 23, 2:41 pm, ®i©ardo <h...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
> > value as you and I.
>
> NO they didn't! They had total contempt for any form of human value.
>
Wow. A petty criminal has "total contempt for any form of human
> > people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
> > value as you and I.
>
> NO they didn't! They had total contempt for any form of human value.
>
value". I really hope I don't know you in the physical world outside
usenet.
They were nicking some metal. They weren't torturing people.
They may well have had total contempt for everybody else's personal
wealth, but no human value. You sicken me.
Matt
®i©ardo
Jan 23, 2012, 9:53:51 AM1/23/12
to
with millimetres, centimetres, metres and kilometres - including the
correct pronunciation of the last one!
®i©ardo
Jan 23, 2012, 9:57:12 AM1/23/12
to
On 21/01/2012 22:26, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article<9o0om2...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steve O<nos...@here.thanks> writes:
>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>
>>
>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>
>>
>> Judging by the dried foam on his head
>
> Remains of their hats
>
>
>> and the fire spread,
>
> Extent of the plasma arc path across the surface of the ground - a
> self-sustaining fire is unlikely
>
>> it looks as
>> if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
>> services arrived.
>
> They will have stood back and watched, until assured by the electric
>> it looks as
>> if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
>> services arrived.
>
> company that the power was off, and attendance at site of electric
> company personel to test it really is off.
>
>> I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
>> a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
>
> They never do, in case someone is offended.
>> I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
>> a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.
>
> You could say the same for car/motorbike crashes, etc.
> It would probably help significantly if teenagers understood
> how fragile their bodies are by actually seeing what happens
> to bodies in a crash before they were allowed to control a
> vehicle on the road, but that would be politically unacceptable,
> so they are let loose at a time in their lives where they are
> under a complete misapprehension of being indestructable.
>
Surely that is one of the joys of youth when you can be convinced of
your own immortality.
It's part of the learning process - sometimes ending in death -
Darwinism in action.
®i©ardo
Jan 23, 2012, 9:59:55 AM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 14:51, larkim wrote:
They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or well-being.
I hope I never meet you in the real world.
total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or well-being.
I hope I never meet you in the real world.
Dave Plowman (News)
Jan 23, 2012, 11:04:23 AM1/23/12
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In article <GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.
--
*A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well*
®i©ardo <he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
> well-being.
How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
> well-being.
care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.
--
*A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well*
Ian Jackson
Jan 23, 2012, 11:17:45 AM1/23/12
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In message <5256216...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes
train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
of these services could possible put lives at risk.
--
Ian
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes
>In article <GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
> ®i©ardo <he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
>> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
>> well-being.
>
>How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
>care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
>What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
>brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>
>Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.
>
No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> ®i©ardo <he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
>> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
>> well-being.
>
>How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
>care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
>What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
>brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>
>Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.
>
train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
of these services could possible put lives at risk.
--
Ian
whisky-dave
Jan 23, 2012, 11:50:14 AM1/23/12
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On Jan 23, 10:00 am, larkim <matthew.lar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, The Grey Man <juan.k...@budweiser.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
>
> > (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
> > >I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
> > >own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> > >to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
> > >they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
> > >chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
> > >sorry for them.
>
> > Are you for real?
>
> He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
> you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
> Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
> their children / wife / family? No, you don't. It sickens me when
> people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
> value as you and I.
Are youo really sure about that ?
>
> > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
>
> > (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
> > >I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
> > >own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> > >to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
> > >they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
> > >chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
> > >sorry for them.
>
> > Are you for real?
>
> He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
> you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
> Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
> their children / wife / family? No, you don't. It sickens me when
> people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
> value as you and I.
What makes you think they wouldnb;t slit yuort through for teh price
of a copper wire ?
Theer's only one thing we can be sure of and that is they will nbever
reoffend.
> Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
> they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
> cared about them there is no reason to gloat.
servre delays.
What if that delay meant someone dying because a surgeon didn;t get to
the hospital or time
or everyone else gets delayed because they want to make some quick
money.
>
> "No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
> Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
> Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
> manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
> me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
> for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.
>
> Matt
®i©ardo
Jan 23, 2012, 12:01:21 PM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
> Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.
>
...or even red herrings.
Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
shed a tear for their passing.
> In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
> 展奄rdo<he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
>> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
>> well-being.
>
> How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
> care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
> What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
> brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>
How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it, leaving a
>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
>> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
>> well-being.
>
> How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
> care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
> What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
> brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>
live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
> Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.
>
Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
shed a tear for their passing.
whisky-dave
Jan 23, 2012, 12:03:44 PM1/23/12
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On Jan 23, 1:05 pm, charles <char...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <sckqh7hsd2h4mk1233td75qelf8il91...@4ax.com>,
honour.
I heaqrd that jeffersons original document of teh declaration of
independence
had teh spelliong honour, but it was later changed to honor.
> In article <sckqh7hsd2h4mk1233td75qelf8il91...@4ax.com>,
> <grim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:33:24 +0000 (GMT), charles
> > <char...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.
> > I can see that if you attended an American or
> > American-funded/influenced school, but the metre was standard spelling
> > in the UK back then.
>
> no - it was very British - but I suppose our physics text books might have
> been American - but I doubt it since they dealt with the cgs system (which
> the American had probably never hear of)
I thought it went back to anglo-saxon times no fogeting centre,
>
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:33:24 +0000 (GMT), charles
> > <char...@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.
> > I can see that if you attended an American or
> > American-funded/influenced school, but the metre was standard spelling
> > in the UK back then.
>
> no - it was very British - but I suppose our physics text books might have
> been American - but I doubt it since they dealt with the cgs system (which
> the American had probably never hear of)
honour.
I heaqrd that jeffersons original document of teh declaration of
independence
had teh spelliong honour, but it was later changed to honor.
Dave Plowman (News)
Jan 23, 2012, 12:54:30 PM1/23/12
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In article <bcCdnUUjJY_RD4DS...@giganews.com>,
> > Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
> > dramatics.
> >
> ...or even red herrings.
> Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
> merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
> the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
> shed a tear for their passing.
Of course not. Didn't think you were human.
Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
have done something you disapprove of.
But expect that same person to be worried about others?
--
*Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" *
®i©ardo <he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
> On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
> > ®i©ardo<he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
> >> with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety
> >> or well-being.
> >
> > How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
> > care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
> > What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
> > brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
> >
> How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it, leaving a
> live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
You're supposing - again.
> >> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
> >> with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety
> >> or well-being.
> >
> > How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
> > care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
> > What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
> > brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
> >
> How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it, leaving a
> live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
> > Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
> > dramatics.
> >
> ...or even red herrings.
> Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
> merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
> the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
> shed a tear for their passing.
Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
have done something you disapprove of.
But expect that same person to be worried about others?
--
*Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" *
ARWadsworth
Jan 23, 2012, 1:37:53 PM1/23/12
to
Huge wrote:
--
Adam
> On 2012-01-22, Bill Grey <bill...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment
>> such as high voltage overhead lines or underground cables, have to
>> protect the offenders agianst their own stupidity.
>
> Not in my world. Stupidity is a capital offence.
So that dennis in death row then.
>
>> Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment
>> such as high voltage overhead lines or underground cables, have to
>> protect the offenders agianst their own stupidity.
>
> Not in my world. Stupidity is a capital offence.
--
Adam
joe
Jan 23, 2012, 2:03:10 PM1/23/12
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--
joe
Jan 23, 2012, 2:06:38 PM1/23/12
to
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <bcCdnUUjJY_RD4DS...@giganews.com>,
> ®i©ardo <he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
> > > ®i©ardo<he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > >> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
> > >> with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements,
> > safety >> or well-being.
> > >
> > > How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly
> > > didn't care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief
> > > does? What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them
> > > and flog them brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
> > >
>
> > How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it,
> > leaving a live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
>
> You're supposing - again.
After the supposition his family were starving, it compares as a milder
> In article <bcCdnUUjJY_RD4DS...@giganews.com>,
> ®i©ardo <he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > > In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
> > > ®i©ardo<he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > >> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
> > >> with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements,
> > safety >> or well-being.
> > >
> > > How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly
> > > didn't care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief
> > > does? What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them
> > > and flog them brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
> > >
>
> > How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it,
> > leaving a live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
>
> You're supposing - again.
point.
>
> > > Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
> > > dramatics.
> > >
>
> > ...or even red herrings.
>
> > Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I
> > was merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to
> > have been the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see
> > no reason to shed a tear for their passing.
>
> Of course not. Didn't think you were human.
>
> Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
> have done something you disapprove of.
>
> But expect that same person to be worried about others?
--
The Natural Philosopher
Jan 23, 2012, 2:26:00 PM1/23/12
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
> Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
> have done something you disapprove of.
>
>
No, but if they get killed committing criminal acts where it is obvious
>
> Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
> have done something you disapprove of.
>
>
there is a sever danger off death, like nicking lead of church rooves,
or nicking live cables, I am not going to lose any sleep over it OK?
Steve O
Jan 23, 2012, 2:54:08 PM1/23/12
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On 23/01/2012 16:17, Ian Jackson wrote:
> In message <5256216...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes
>> In article <GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
> In message <5256216...@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> <da...@davenoise.co.uk> writes
>> In article <GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
>> 展奄rdo <he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
>>> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
>>> well-being.
>>
>> How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
>> care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
>> What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
>> brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>>
>> Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
>> dramatics.
>>
> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> of these services could possible put lives at risk.
You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
>>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
>>> total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
>>> well-being.
>>
>> How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
>> care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
>> What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
>> brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>>
>> Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
>> dramatics.
>>
> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> of these services could possible put lives at risk.
The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
hugh
Jan 23, 2012, 3:40:43 PM1/23/12
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In message <jfffu9$ibf$1...@dont-email.me>, Andrew Gabriel
<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> They don't get my sympathy.
>have taken that chance even if it had been made available to them,
>or if they would have continued to be a blight on society, or if
>they've been a blight on society for some time before this.
>
Shit happens
--
hugh
<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <b6dc84c3-e06a-4d66...@u2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> McKevvy <vicko_...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> On Jan 20, 6:51 pm, harry <haroldhr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> Not for the faint hearted this
>>>one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>> Yup. This was posted in uk.railway a few days ago.
>>> Not for the faint hearted this
>>>one!http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>> They don't get my sympathy.
>
>I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>sorry for them. Of course, I have no way of knowing if they would
>I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
>own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
>to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
>they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
>chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
>have taken that chance even if it had been made available to them,
>or if they would have continued to be a blight on society, or if
>they've been a blight on society for some time before this.
>
Shit happens
--
hugh
hugh
Jan 23, 2012, 3:48:30 PM1/23/12
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In message <RYCdnQqmAdHUa4fS...@bt.com>, 'Mike'
<'All.finished'@woolies.com> writes
--
hugh
<'All.finished'@woolies.com> writes
>
>
>"David in Normandy" <Davidin...@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>news:4f1af49b$0$2501$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr...
>> On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
>>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>>
>>> Gotta sting.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bet it came as a shock.
>>
>> -- David in Normandy. Davidin...@yahoo.fr
>> To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
>> subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
>> by a filter and not reach my inbox.
>
>
>An electrifying experience?
>
>Mike
>
>
Enough to make your hair stand on end :-(
>
>"David in Normandy" <Davidin...@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>news:4f1af49b$0$2501$ba4a...@reader.news.orange.fr...
>> On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
>>> On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
>>>> Not for the faint hearted this one!
>>>> http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0
>>>
>>> Gotta sting.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bet it came as a shock.
>>
>> -- David in Normandy. Davidin...@yahoo.fr
>> To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
>> subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
>> by a filter and not reach my inbox.
>
>
>An electrifying experience?
>
>Mike
>
>
--
hugh
Ophelia
Jan 23, 2012, 4:26:18 PM1/23/12
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"joe" <joeparki...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:9o5p7e...@mid.individual.net...
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Dave Plowman (News)
Jan 23, 2012, 6:25:14 PM1/23/12
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In article <9o5s6v...@mid.individual.net>,
essential, backup should be provided.
--
*If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried *
Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
> You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
> The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
> You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
> The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
essential, backup should be provided.
--
*If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried *
Frank Erskine
Jan 23, 2012, 7:06:23 PM1/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:25:14 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <9o5s6v...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
>> > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
>> > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
>
>> You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
>> The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
>Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
>essential, backup should be provided.
Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <9o5s6v...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
>> > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
>> > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
>
>> You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
>> The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
>Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
>essential, backup should be provided.
example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these
type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used
at all now? :-)
--
Frank Erskine
Mike Barnes
Jan 24, 2012, 2:22:15 AM1/24/12
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"Dave Plowman (News)" <da...@davenoise.co.uk>:
power supply cable that got nicked. Fortunately the loss was quickly
discovered but operations still had to be cancelled.
--
Mike Barnes
>In article <9o5s6v...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
>> > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
>> > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
>
>> You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
>> The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
>Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
>essential, backup should be provided.
There was a case recently where it was the operating theatre's backup
> Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>> No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
>> > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
>> > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
>
>> You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
>> The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
>Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
>essential, backup should be provided.
power supply cable that got nicked. Fortunately the loss was quickly
discovered but operations still had to be cancelled.
--
Mike Barnes
harry
Jan 24, 2012, 2:57:15 AM1/24/12
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On Jan 23, 11:25 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <9o5s6vFc8...@mid.individual.net>,
thing.
Deliberately causing one is another matter entirely.
wrote:
> In article <9o5s6vFc8...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>
> > No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> > > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> > > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
> > You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
> > The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
> Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
> essential, backup should be provided.
>
If there is a power cut down to some unexpected fault, that's one
>
> > No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> > > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> > > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
> > You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
> > The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
> Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
> essential, backup should be provided.
>
thing.
Deliberately causing one is another matter entirely.
Halmyre
Jan 24, 2012, 4:18:06 AM1/24/12
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On Jan 23, 2:30 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <9o3i8oFf6...@mid.individual.net>,
> him?
>
Perhaps he's stupid enough to be standing on the trapdoor when he
pulls the lever, falls through, and breaks his neck.
--
Halmyre
wrote:
> In article <9o3i8oFf6...@mid.individual.net>,
> Huge <H...@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment such as high voltage overhead
> > > lines or underground cables, have to protect the offenders agianst
> > > their own stupidity.
> > Not in my world. Stupidity is a capital offence.
>
> Then the world would be empty, except for the hangman. So who would hang
>
> > > Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment such as high voltage overhead
> > > lines or underground cables, have to protect the offenders agianst
> > > their own stupidity.
> > Not in my world. Stupidity is a capital offence.
>
> him?
>
Perhaps he's stupid enough to be standing on the trapdoor when he
pulls the lever, falls through, and breaks his neck.
--
Halmyre
Peter James
Jan 24, 2012, 5:02:50 AM1/24/12
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larkim <matthew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, The Grey Man <juan.k...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
> >
> > (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
> On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, The Grey Man <juan.k...@budweiser.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC), and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk
> >
> > (Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
> > >I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
> > >own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> > >to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
> > >they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
> > >chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
> > >sorry for them.
> >
> > >own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
> > >to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
> > >they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
> > >chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
> > >sorry for them.
> >
> > Are you for real?
>
> He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
> you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
> Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
> their children / wife / family? No, you don't. It sickens me when
> people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
> value as you and I. Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
>
> He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
> you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
> Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
> their children / wife / family? No, you don't. It sickens me when
> people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
> they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
> cared about them there is no reason to gloat.
>
> cared about them there is no reason to gloat.
>
> "No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
> Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
> Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
> manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
> me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
> for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.
>
> Matt
> Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
> Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
> manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
> me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
> for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.
>
Absolutely right! this is the saddest thread I've ever read on Usenet.
I'm killing it now.
Peter
--
It is necessary for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph.
Attributed to Edmund Burke 1729 - 1797
Dave Plowman (News)
Jan 24, 2012, 5:16:55 AM1/24/12
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In article <c2trh71nc8sttvncs...@4ax.com>,
carried out at a specific time, it would be sensible to have a standby
source of electricity.
Despite all the bile spouted here, you're more likely to have an
'ordinary' power cut than one caused by cable theft.
--
*Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time.*
Frank Erskine <frank....@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power
> >is essential, backup should be provided.
> Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for
> example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these
> type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used
> at all now? :-)
If home dialyse - or anything else like that - is such that it must be
> >Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power
> >is essential, backup should be provided.
> Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for
> example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these
> type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used
> at all now? :-)
carried out at a specific time, it would be sensible to have a standby
source of electricity.
Despite all the bile spouted here, you're more likely to have an
'ordinary' power cut than one caused by cable theft.
--
*Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time.*
Dave Plowman (News)
Jan 24, 2012, 5:20:12 AM1/24/12
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In article
<6efcca0c-a3e4-4af1...@cf6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
person responsible too?
> Deliberately causing one is another matter entirely.
Then let the law deal with it.
--
*I want it all and I want it delivered
<6efcca0c-a3e4-4af1...@cf6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote:
> If there is a power cut down to some unexpected fault, that's one
> thing.
What if it's caused by poor maintence or ineptitude? Would you hang the
> If there is a power cut down to some unexpected fault, that's one
> thing.
person responsible too?
> Deliberately causing one is another matter entirely.
--
*I want it all and I want it delivered
whisky-dave
Jan 24, 2012, 5:52:24 AM1/24/12
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On Jan 23, 11:25 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <9o5s6vFc8...@mid.individual.net>,
especially trains
you can;'t always have a backup immidiatly to hand.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-16602333
>
> --
> *If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried *
>
> Dave Plowman d...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
wrote:
> In article <9o5s6vFc8...@mid.individual.net>,
> Steve O <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>
> > No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> > > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> > > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
> > You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
> > The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
> Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
> essential, backup should be provided.
But when those power cuts do happen it causes delays to transport
>
> > No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
> > > train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
> > > of these services could possible put lives at risk.
> > You forgot about hospital equipment, ventilators in the home, etc.
> > The OP obviously doesn't realize that power cuts can kill people.
>
> Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is
> essential, backup should be provided.
especially trains
you can;'t always have a backup immidiatly to hand.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-16602333
>
> --
> *If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried *
>
®i©ardo
Jan 24, 2012, 6:13:36 AM1/24/12
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On 24/01/2012 10:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article
> <6efcca0c-a3e4-4af1...@cf6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> harry<harol...@aol.com> wrote:
>> If there is a power cut down to some unexpected fault, that's one
>> thing.
>
> What if it's caused by poor maintence or ineptitude? Would you hang the
> person responsible too?
>
>> Deliberately causing one is another matter entirely.
>
> Then let the law deal with it.
>
Or the "Hand of God", as in this instance.
> In article
> <6efcca0c-a3e4-4af1...@cf6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> harry<harol...@aol.com> wrote:
>> If there is a power cut down to some unexpected fault, that's one
>> thing.
>
> What if it's caused by poor maintence or ineptitude? Would you hang the
> person responsible too?
>
>> Deliberately causing one is another matter entirely.
>
> Then let the law deal with it.
>
®i©ardo
Jan 24, 2012, 6:25:40 AM1/24/12
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On 23/01/2012 17:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article<bcCdnUUjJY_RD4DS...@giganews.com>,
exclusive right and anyone else is an imposter?
>>> Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
>>> dramatics.
>>>
>
>> ...or even red herrings.
>
>> Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
>> merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
>> the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
>> shed a tear for their passing.
>
> Of course not. Didn't think you were human.
>
Well, given your twisted outlook on life that's hardly surprising. Let
us praise and nurture the wrong-doers, because it would be unjust to to
do otherwise, even if everyone else suffers as a result of their actions.
Hang on, got it! You go around nicking metal and power cables and this
gives you a "moral" right to defend such actions. And, when it all goes
tits up, it's society's fault.
> Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
> have done something you disapprove of.
>
I really do not care if someone is too stupid to understand the
consequences of his or her own ILLEGAL actions. I care even less if
their ILLEGAL actions compromise the safety and well-being of law
abiding people.
> But expect that same person to be worried about others?
>
Well, it should be patently obvious even to a blinkered bigot like you
that they don't give a F*CK about anyone but themselves and consequently
reap the rewards of their own actions.
> In article<bcCdnUUjJY_RD4DS...@giganews.com>,
> 展奄rdo<he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
>> On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article<GO-dnSgzWdFD6IDS...@giganews.com>,
>>> 展奄rdo<he...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
>>>> with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety
>>>> or well-being.
>>>
>>> How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
>>> care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
>>> What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
>>> brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>>>
>
>> How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it, leaving a
>> live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
>
> You're supposing - again.
>
But I'm not alone in doing so, unless you are claiming it as an
>>>> They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
>>>> with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety
>>>> or well-being.
>>>
>>> How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
>>> care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
>>> What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
>>> brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.
>>>
>
>> How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it, leaving a
>> live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...
>
> You're supposing - again.
>
exclusive right and anyone else is an imposter?
>>> Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
>>> dramatics.
>>>
>
>> ...or even red herrings.
>
>> Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
>> merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
>> the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
>> shed a tear for their passing.
>
> Of course not. Didn't think you were human.
>
us praise and nurture the wrong-doers, because it would be unjust to to
do otherwise, even if everyone else suffers as a result of their actions.
Hang on, got it! You go around nicking metal and power cables and this
gives you a "moral" right to defend such actions. And, when it all goes
tits up, it's society's fault.
> Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
> have done something you disapprove of.
>
consequences of his or her own ILLEGAL actions. I care even less if
their ILLEGAL actions compromise the safety and well-being of law
abiding people.
> But expect that same person to be worried about others?
>
that they don't give a F*CK about anyone but themselves and consequently
reap the rewards of their own actions.
®i©ardo
Jan 24, 2012, 6:26:56 AM1/24/12
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