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Matt Cody

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Nov 13, 2002, 9:53:18 AM11/13/02
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I've just had professional garden lighting designed specifically for
my garden, installed in just under a week - and ready to show off to
my friends and colleagues. It wasn't as cheap as some of the other
quotes that I've had - but I believe you have to pay a little extra
for quality - and it certainly seems that I've got that.

The guys that came to do the work, were friendly and polite - and
certainly knew what they were doing. They were considerate of my
existing garden and with the CAD drawing they showed me before they
started the work, I knew exactly what to expect and what the finished
product was going to be like.

I haven't been put under any pressure to write this - but I just
wanted to let others know about the good work that they've done.
Apparently, they've been established for just over a year now and have
already established quite an impressive portfolio of previous work
they've done.

On their after sales service pack that they left, there's a web site
address given as: www.gardenlightingbydesign.co.uk

They're based in Chester - but came all the way over to Wilmslow to
fit my lights for me. I'd wholeheartedly recommend them to other
people who want the same high level of service.

Oh, and I nearly forgot, they also sell their products separately - so
I've bought a few extras for when I expand my garden later next year,
when the summer finally returns!!

MrMoosehead

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Nov 13, 2002, 11:06:01 AM11/13/02
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mat...@cody1.co.uk (Matt Cody) muttered something incoherent along
the lines of:

>I've just had professional garden lighting designed specifically for
>my garden, installed in just under a week - and ready to show off to
>my friends and colleagues. It wasn't as cheap as some of the other
>quotes that I've had - but I believe you have to pay a little extra
>for quality - and it certainly seems that I've got that.

<SNIP>

>
>On their after sales service pack that they left, there's a web site
>address given as: www.gardenlightingbydesign.co.uk

Go fuck yourself, spam child.


<title>Garden Lighting by Design: About Us</title>
<META NAME="TITLE" CONTENT="Garden Lighting by Design - About Us">
<META NAME="DESCRIPTION" CONTENT="Garden Lighting by Design is the
UK's premier outdoor and garden lighting service. High quality
fittings, professional expert service and excellent after sales
support makes GLBD the first choice, every time, for your external
lighting needs. AND WE'RE A BUNCH OF SPAMMING CUNTS">
<META NAME="KEYWORDS" CONTENT="garden light, outdoor, lantern, design,
garden lighting, installation, install, terrace exterior,
illumination, driveway, path, patio, bulb, conservatory, barbeque,
BBQ, fixtures, pond light, underwater, tree, roof light, service,
expert, professional, north west, cheshire, chester, quality, fittings
and fixtures, experts, copper, aluminium, garden lighting by design,
gadren, graden, gaden, garrden, gardden, lite, ligte, lihte, lyte,
lythe, lyght, outside, manchester, mersyside, liverpool, birkenhead,
wirral, warrington, altrincham, hale, bowden, lancashire, cumbria,
mere, northwich, nantwich, crewe, wrexham, north wales, wales, helsby,
frodsham, guilden sutton, mickle trafford, CAD, computer aided design,
unique, free consultation, free quote, expert service, after sales
support, GLBD, UK, United Kingdom, England, Britain, Great Britain,
SPAMMING CUNTS">
<META NAME="OWNER" CONTENT="gdnlight...@aol.com">
<META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="M. Cody (webmaster)">

Oooh. Dead giveaway that.


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Drakanthus

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Nov 13, 2002, 1:12:43 PM11/13/02
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> <META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="M. Cody (webmaster)">
>
> Oooh. Dead giveaway that.


*** SPAM ALERT ***
Well spotted! I thought the message sounded too sickly to be true - he did
trowel it on a bit!
On the plus side I guess it has pre-warned us all that the company is
dishonest and not to be trusted!
Doubt they will be picking up any customers from this group!

Drakanthus.

William Tasso

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Nov 13, 2002, 7:43:21 PM11/13/02
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It's a constant source of joy when people suddenly discover their own web
site and feel a desparate need to share it.

--
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http://www.tbdata.com/


Cerumen

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Nov 14, 2002, 2:19:12 AM11/14/02
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"Matt Cody" A spammer<mat...@cody1.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3181cc80.02111...@posting.google.com...

> I've just had professional garden lighting designed specifically for
> my garden, installed in just under a week <snip spammed stuff>

I always make a point of avoiding any company that resorts to spam for
advertising, if they are unethical in that way can they be trusted at all?
I appears a person by the name of Cody is the web master of the site
spamvertised, the only Cody I can think of right off was Buffalo Bill Cody
so we seem to have cowboys running in the family here.
The web site is hosted by newnet it seems ripe-te...@newnet.co.uk is
where abuse complaints go.
--
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Ireland


MrMoosehead

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Nov 14, 2002, 4:22:01 AM11/14/02
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"Cerumen" <spam_thi...@spammers.r.us.com> muttered something

incoherent along the lines of:

>

Good work.

Aaah. A satisfying job. }:8)


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Matt Cody

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Nov 14, 2002, 4:20:40 AM11/14/02
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I don't deny being the webmaster to this site. But I object to my
post being called spam. In return for me designing the website, the
company - Garden Lighting by Design installed a full set of garden
lights in my garden - it was a fair trade agreement. They were
professionally installed using high-voltage equipment, rather than the
low voltage or the solar powered variety - so I have no qualms about
issuing my post - congratulating them on a job well done!

And I'd thank you to moderate your language when writing about me.

MrMoosehead <mrmoosehea...@ukrm.org> wrote in message news:<u0u4tu8om1kk2084q...@4ax.com>...

MrMoosehead

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Nov 14, 2002, 4:49:16 AM11/14/02
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mat...@cody1.co.uk (Matt Cody) muttered something incoherent along
the lines of:

>I don't deny being the webmaster to this site. But I object to my


>post being called spam. In return for me designing the website, the
>company - Garden Lighting by Design installed a full set of garden
>lights in my garden - it was a fair trade agreement. They were
>professionally installed using high-voltage equipment, rather than the
>low voltage or the solar powered variety - so I have no qualms about
>issuing my post - congratulating them on a job well done!
>

You don't deny that you're a lying little toerag then? Why weren't you
honest in the first place?

>And I'd thank you to moderate your language when writing about me.

Does it hurt? Oh I'm sooooooo sorry.


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Sharon Curtis

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Nov 14, 2002, 8:35:19 AM11/14/02
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In article <3181cc80.02111...@posting.google.com>,

Matt Cody <mat...@cody1.co.uk> wrote:
>I don't deny being the webmaster to this site. But I object to my
>post being called spam. In return for me designing the website, the
>company - Garden Lighting by Design installed a full set of garden
>lights in my garden - it was a fair trade agreement.

Look, you know what your motives are, we don't. But you figure it
out for yourself: if someone posts to a group recommending a
company, and they are getting paid by this same company, what else
does it look like but spam? You can't blame anyone here for thinking
"not another idiot advertising their company and pretending they have
no connection with it", after all you didn't state your exact
connection with the company up front, and people do this sort of thing
all the time: "Look at this fab company! Ohmigosh, no, I have no
connection with it! Honest!".

Sharon

Chris French and Helen Johnson

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Nov 14, 2002, 6:37:08 AM11/14/02
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In message <3181cc80.02111...@posting.google.com>, Matt Cody
<mat...@cody1.co.uk> writes

>I don't deny being the webmaster to this site. But I object to my
>post being called spam.

Ah didums..............


> In return for me designing the website, the
>company - Garden Lighting by Design installed a full set of garden
>lights in my garden - it was a fair trade agreement.

Fair enough.

>They were
>professionally installed using high-voltage equipment, rather than the
>low voltage or the solar powered variety - so I have no qualms about
>issuing my post - congratulating them on a job well done!
>

Unfortunately you missed out the chance to mention the arrangement you
had with them - what an oversight....

We get a steady flow of these 'hey look at the site/what a good company'
messages from people connected to the company, they are usually (as this
shows, easy to spot)

>And I'd thank you to moderate your language when writing about me.
>

Ok, you are just a plain idiot then?
--
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urg Suppliers and References FAQ:
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Drakanthus

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Nov 14, 2002, 11:37:22 AM11/14/02
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> And I'd thank you to moderate your language when writing about me.
>

You are a conman and a liar plain and simple. Your spam was presented in
such a manner as to try duping users of this newsgroup into thinking you
were providing a legitimate customer testimonial about the company - when
all along you are associated with it.

You also said:
"On their after sales service pack that they left, there's a web site
address given as: www.gardenlightingbydesign.co.uk"

Strange phrasing for the webmaster! Did you forget your own domain name
then - and have to look at the box?

Drakanthus.

Jane Ransom

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Nov 14, 2002, 11:44:20 AM11/14/02
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In article <3181cc80.02111...@posting.google.com>, Matt Cody
<mat...@cody1.co.uk> writes

>I don't deny being the webmaster to this site. But I object to my
>post being called spam.

<snip>

>And I'd thank you to moderate your language when writing about me.
>

Please note the following extract from the charter of this news group:

ADVERTISING:

Advertising is not welcome, with the following exceptions:

Suppliers of UK-relevant gardening equipment, services or plant
material may post a pointer to their website or invitation to
request a catalogue. This may not exceed four lines. This may be
posted no more often than once every three months. The subject
line should begin "AD" or "ADVERT"

Participants in discussions may include references to their
garden-related business in their .sig (max. four lines)

------------------

You were out of line to make such a large post advertising your wares so
must be prepared to accept any flack coming your way as a consequence.
--
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I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason,
put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com


Mike

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Nov 14, 2002, 11:52:32 AM11/14/02
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>I don't deny being the webmaster to this site. But I object to my
>post being called spam. In return for me designing the website, the
>company - Garden Lighting by Design installed a full set of garden
>lights in my garden - it was a fair trade agreement. They were
>professionally installed using high-voltage equipment, rather than the
>low voltage or the solar powered variety - so I have no qualms about
>issuing my post - congratulating them on a job well done!
>
Not Spam? OK, a sort of underhanded way of promoting their business :-}

Henry Ford said that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Ratner
proved his theory wrong and as far as your web site building business is
concerned, me thinks you have also proved him wrong!! :-))

Listen Mister, if you are going to advertise your business on these
newsgroups, be crafty, be tactful. Hang around for a while and see how
others do it. (You will have to wait a while as one of them is on the
other side of the pond)

Stick around and don't be impatient.

Mike who does Reunions for the ex service people and other 'related'
weekends' :-)))


Michael 'Mike' Crowe
R.N.Shipmates, the system for finding those who have served in the Royal Navy


June Hughes

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Nov 14, 2002, 1:30:32 PM11/14/02
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In article <ai1kcQAQ...@rumtub.demon.co.uk>, Mike
<rum...@rumtub.demon.co.uk> writes
They had a little article about you, giving your name and address in
today's Barnet Times.
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Cerumen

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Nov 14, 2002, 1:50:07 PM11/14/02
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A reply from him to my email address
....................................................................

In actual fact - I designed the web site for the company, my father is a
director of the company - and in return for my web design services they
installed garden lighting for me at my house.

So you see, whilst you consider this to be spam - I do not.

I have been in receipt of a first class level of service, family relation
or not - and am duly entitled to inform others about it.

I resent the objectionable tone you took in your email - and refute your
claims that it was simple spam that was being posted.

Regards,

Matt Cody

> from: "C. C. Doe" <do...@hotmail.com>
> date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 07:19:04
> to: mat...@cody1.co.uk
> subject: Re: Garden Lighting by Design
>

Drakanthus

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Nov 14, 2002, 2:28:13 PM11/14/02
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> In actual fact - I designed the web site for the company, my father is a
> director of the company - and in return for my web design services they
> installed garden lighting for me at my house.
>
> Matt Cody
>


It just gets better doesn't it!

The spammer said:
"The guys that came to do the work, were friendly and polite"

Not surprising really - daddy owns the company!


Nick Maclaren

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Nov 14, 2002, 3:51:37 PM11/14/02
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In article <tPSA9.3587$1F5....@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>,

Drakanthus <spam....@here.com> wrote:
>> In actual fact - I designed the web site for the company, my father is a
>> director of the company - and in return for my web design services they
>> installed garden lighting for me at my house.
>
>It just gets better doesn't it!
>
>The spammer said:
>"The guys that came to do the work, were friendly and polite"
>
>Not surprising really - daddy owns the company!

Now, now, don't exaggerate - he didn't SAY that - not quite.

He should take notice of the very wise saying "When you are at the
bottom of a pit, it is time to stop digging." But he probably won't.

I once had to live on spam for a couple of weeks. Not that that
remark is any more relevant than his postings ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren,
University of Cambridge Computing Service,
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England.
Email: nm...@cam.ac.uk
Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679

JennyC

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Nov 14, 2002, 4:19:07 PM11/14/02
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"Nick Maclaren" <nm...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote

> I once had to live on spam for a couple of weeks. Not that that
> remark is any more relevant than his postings ....
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren,


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Spam fritters and ketchup
Those were the days :~)
Jenny


Drakanthus

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Nov 14, 2002, 4:43:24 PM11/14/02
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> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Spam fritters and ketchup
> Those were the days :~)
> Jenny
>

I don't know about spam fritters but we've certainly had roasted spammer!

Drakanthus.


June Hughes

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Nov 14, 2002, 5:27:06 PM11/14/02
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In article <ar1427$ecaem$1...@ID-91345.news.dfncis.de>, JennyC
<Jen...@chello.nl> writes

Damn! I was just about to say that :(
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June Hughes

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Nov 14, 2002, 5:28:45 PM11/14/02
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In article <cOUA9.4301$1F5....@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>,
Drakanthus <spam....@here.com> writes
Possibly. I don't really think he understands the basics of Usenet.

Goodness, I must be getting old! Pass me my hot water bottle!
--
June Hughes

Nick Maclaren

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Nov 14, 2002, 5:34:39 PM11/14/02
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In article <uY92ihCd...@theacct.demon.co.uk>,

June Hughes <juneh...@theacct.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <cOUA9.4301$1F5....@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>,
>Drakanthus <spam....@here.com> writes
>>> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Spam fritters and ketchup
>>> Those were the days :~)
>>
>>I don't know about spam fritters but we've certainly had roasted spammer!
>>
>Possibly. I don't really think he understands the basics of Usenet.
>
>Goodness, I must be getting old! Pass me my hot water bottle!

YOU are getting old? Dammit, I remember ARPANET - though I never
used it personally ....

Yours in fossilisation,

JennyC

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Nov 15, 2002, 1:58:45 AM11/15/02
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"Nick Maclaren" <nm...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote

> June Hughes <juneh...@theacct.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Drakanthus <spam....@here.com> writes
> >>> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Spam fritters and ketchup
> >>> Those were the days :~)
> >>
> >>I don't know about spam fritters but we've certainly had roasted
spammer!
> >>
> >Possibly. I don't really think he understands the basics of
Usenet.
> >Goodness, I must be getting old! Pass me my hot water bottle!
>
> YOU are getting old? Dammit, I remember ARPANET - though I never
> used it personally ....
> Yours in fossilisation,
> Nick Maclaren,

I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
stone............:~(
Jenny


June Hughes

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Nov 15, 2002, 3:27:40 AM11/15/02
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In article <ar260v$dp1pi$1...@ID-91345.news.dfncis.de>, JennyC
<Jen...@chello.nl> writes

>
>
>I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
>RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
>man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
>stone............:~(

I remember that but didn't use it. Autocoder, Plan and Cobol were what
we used. (IBM, ICL, Honeywell).
--
June Hughes

Drakanthus

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Nov 15, 2002, 3:43:35 AM11/15/02
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> >I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
> >RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
> >man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
> >stone............:~(
>
> I remember that but didn't use it. Autocoder, Plan and Cobol were what
> we used. (IBM, ICL, Honeywell).
> --
> June Hughes

An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to this
group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)
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emails will never reach me.)


Mike

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Nov 15, 2002, 3:37:49 AM11/15/02
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In article <j0p1pQAI...@theacct.demon.co.uk>, June Hughes
<juneh...@theacct.demon.co.uk> writes

>>
>>
>They had a little article about you, giving your name and address in
>today's Barnet Times.

Thanks for that info June.

Which was it for, the H.M.S.Collingwood Association Reunion, the British
Pacific and East Indies Fleets Reunion, the River Class Association
Reunion Dinner, the Fred Olson 'Black Prince' Cruise or the article
about the National Service (Royal Air Force) Association?

I have terrific feedback from the 'Letter to the Editors' I write to,
but I never know which paper has done which letter until I get feed back
and the person actually tells me which paper they saw it in.

If anyone else sees a letter from me in their local paper, a quick email
would be appreciated as not all writers tell me, and I do write to over
500 local papers around the country :-))

and if anyone is looking for anyone who is ex Service, drop me an email
and I will see what I can do. I do have well over 10,000 current names
and address's of Royal Navy and Royal Air Force people and a growing
number of Army personnel as well now.

Cost? Nothing, it's a hobby.

Many thanks

Mike

Mike

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Nov 15, 2002, 4:08:44 AM11/15/02
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In article <FEHD1EAd...@rumtub.demon.co.uk>, Mike
<rum...@rumtub.demon.co.uk> writes

>
>If anyone else sees a letter from me in their local paper, a quick email
>would be appreciated as not all writers tell me, and I do write to over
>500 local papers around the country :-))
>
forgot to add Service Pals on Teletext :-)) but that is on a 7 weeks
cycle and is repeated. Just had a letter mentioning that medium :-))

Mike

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Jane Ransom

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Nov 15, 2002, 3:28:07 AM11/15/02
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In article <ar260v$dp1pi$1...@ID-91345.news.dfncis.de>, JennyC
<Jen...@chello.nl> writes
>
>I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
>RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
>man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a

But that is *still* the mainstay of the AS400 machines, June!!!!!!

June Hughes

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Nov 15, 2002, 4:29:18 AM11/15/02
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In article <6t2B9.44$ic7....@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>, Drakanthus
<spam....@here.com> writes

>> >I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
>> >RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
>> >man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
>> >stone............:~(
>>
>> I remember that but didn't use it. Autocoder, Plan and Cobol were what
>> we used. (IBM, ICL, Honeywell).
>> --
>> June Hughes
>
>An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to this
>group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
>Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)

not any more - chartered accountant but took several years out to do
programming between 1967 and 1972. Long time ago!
--
June Hughes

June Hughes

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Nov 15, 2002, 4:29:47 AM11/15/02
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In article <BD+K$CAXAL...@jandg.demon.co.uk>, Jane Ransom
<ran...@deadspam.com> writes

>In article <ar260v$dp1pi$1...@ID-91345.news.dfncis.de>, JennyC
><Jen...@chello.nl> writes
>>
>>I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
>>RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
>>man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
>
>But that is *still* the mainstay of the AS400 machines, June!!!!!!
>
moi?
--
June Hughes

Nick Maclaren

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Nov 15, 2002, 4:41:25 AM11/15/02
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In article <ar260v$dp1pi$1...@ID-91345.news.dfncis.de>,

JennyC <Jen...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>
>I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
>RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
>man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
>stone............:~(

He probably thought of it as something that you wrote a Role Playing
Game in :-)

A nice remark made by someone from IBM Toronto a few decades back
was they they (then) owned RPG and C - for former for the gorillas
and the latter for the guerillas :-)


Regards,

MrMoosehead

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"Drakanthus" <spam....@here.com> muttered something incoherent
along the lines of:

>> >I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in


>> >RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
>> >man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
>> >stone............:~(
>>
>> I remember that but didn't use it. Autocoder, Plan and Cobol were what
>> we used. (IBM, ICL, Honeywell).
>> --
>> June Hughes
>
>An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to this
>group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
>Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)

I'm not a regular, but I am a developer/development manager. Shortly
to be IS Team Manager for a big utility, which is nice. As long as I
remember to reply in German when I'm boarding the train. IYSWIM.
}:8)


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Nov 15, 2002, 8:08:34 AM11/15/02
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"Drakanthus" <spam....@here.com> wrote in
news:tPSA9.3587$1F5....@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net:

Well, I was going to suggest that the client should be rather unhappy about
the inappropriate way the site was promoted to potential clients, and it
seemed a bit hard cheese on them.

But if people will get their children to do work for them, then they can't
really complain about the odd screw-up - presumably it's an accepted part
of the learning process, like not mowing the lawn very well and semi-washed
cars...

I wonder if there is a grandchild who designs the company brochure with
crayons?

Victoria Clare

Sue

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"Drakanthus" <spam....@here.com> wrote

> An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to this
> group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
> Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)

No, but my son is, if that counts. ;)

Sue


JennyC

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"Drakanthus" <spam....@here.com> wrote

> > >I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled
in
> > >RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice
young
> > >man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under
a
> > >stone............:~(
> >
> > I remember that but didn't use it. Autocoder, Plan and Cobol were
what
> > we used. (IBM, ICL, Honeywell).
> > June Hughes
>
> An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to
this
> group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
> Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)

Yes there are a few It'ers in URG.

I rolled into IT by accident back in the early '70's as a 'Computer
Programming Secretary' with IBM, which really meant glorified data
typist :~))
Progressed from there to programmer and did 1st + 2nd line helpdesk
for years in good old Business Basic :~))
Got chucked out several years ago in a reorganisation and am now into
web design.

I think I like gardening because it gets me out from behind the
computer occasionally :~))
Jenny
www.welcome.to/Webwise


JennyC

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> June Hughes

Moi I think (Jenny!)


Cerumen

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"Drakanthus" <spam....@here.com> wrote in message
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> An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to this
> group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
> Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)
No, aerospace engineer here, but used computers in the 70's before most
knew what they really were.
--
Chris Thomas
West Cork
Ireland

June Hughes

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In article <DjeB9.29080$zX3....@news.indigo.ie>, Cerumen
<spam_thi...@spammers.r.us.com> writes
Doh! West Cork! Every time I see one of your postings, I feel very
envious of you living in such a beautiful place. Lucky you! (am
sulking now :)

(Actually, it's not so different from West Cumbria, where I grew up,
except that you have all that ocean to the south and west!)
--
June Hughes

William Tasso

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Nov 15, 2002, 5:50:58 PM11/15/02
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Drakanthus wrote:
>>> I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
>>> RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice
>>> young man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from
>>> under a stone............:~(
>>
>> I remember that but didn't use it. Autocoder, Plan and Cobol were
>> what we used. (IBM, ICL, Honeywell).
>> --
>> June Hughes
>
> An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to
> this group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
> Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)

<waves>

been in IT one way or another since 1976 when Computer Rooms were sealed
environments the size of a sports hall. Life was a lot simpler then: load a
tape (mostly magnetic, sometimes paper), run a program, print the output.
Punched cards still make splendid shopping lists ;o) Progressed (?) through
various programming and IT support jobs and now run a small business
supplying IT services to SMEs and some not so small on a good day.

Network cabling is ok and requires just as much knowledge about real-world
issues like discrete routing and installation through buildings. Also means
I get to drive the Land Rover to work some days full of big boys toys.

Set up the web hosting business to support internet based application
development because I couldn't find a service offering what I needed. Most
web hosts can offer MS-Access or MySql but real db performance at low cost
of entry there was nothing around.

For some reason I can't quite grasp, we seem to be doing quite well in the
Charity/NFP sector lately. Hopefully that will carry on through with
inertia. It's difficult to know what to do to encourage more activity when
you don't know why the interest was there in the first place. I suspect,
but can't verify, that we are seeing referal activity.

Full sig is being phased out and rarley (if ever) gets an airing here, but
it seems on topic for this thread so ...
--
William Tasso - The road to hell is littered with fallen webmasters.
http://www.tbdata.com/hosting - ASP web site hosting + SQL Server
http://www.tbdata.com/cabling - Cat 5/6 network cabling installations


Drakanthus

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> > An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to
> this
> > group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
> > Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)
>
> Yes there are a few It'ers in URG.
>
> I rolled into IT by accident back in the early '70's as a 'Computer
> Programming Secretary' with IBM, which really meant glorified data
> typist :~))
> Progressed from there to programmer and did 1st + 2nd line helpdesk
> for years in good old Business Basic :~))
> Got chucked out several years ago in a reorganisation and am now into
> web design.
>

I.T. seems to move quicker every year. Over the last 20 years I've learnt
countless languages and operating systems and every year there is always a
new language (or re-hash of an earlier one) to come to grips with. Things I
learnt not many years ago are now only fit for the history books: Fortran,
Cobol, numerous Basics, Assembly, Clipper, EDI, DCL etc, etc. Now
programmers need to speak .NET, XML (really a rehash of EDI I was doing 15
years ago), XSL. Will it never end?

> I think I like gardening because it gets me out from behind the
> computer occasionally :~))
> Jenny

I agree. A fellow programmer said to me a couple of years ago "why do you
bother to grow your own veg - it is so cheap to buy". I told him he was
missing the point. After spending all day, every day, in a stuffy office
staring at a monitor - the only "Windows" to look at were supplied my
Microsoft - I found it envigorating to get outside in the sunshine (or
rain!) and get my hands dirty, knees muddy and back aching! I feel "alive"
after a good session in the garden. It is also so rewarding to see the
little seedlings grow into big plants - and finally to see then on the
dinner plate - knowing they haven't been sprayed with pesticides.

Drakanthus


William Tasso

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Nov 15, 2002, 6:35:23 PM11/15/02
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Drakanthus wrote:
> ...

>> I think I like gardening because it gets me out from behind the
>> computer occasionally :~))
>> Jenny
>
> I agree. A fellow programmer said to me a couple of years ago "why do
> you bother to grow your own veg - it is so cheap to buy". I told him
> he was missing the point. After spending all day, every day, in a
> stuffy office staring at a monitor - the only "Windows" to look at
> were supplied my Microsoft - I found it envigorating to get outside
> in the sunshine (or rain!) and get my hands dirty, knees muddy and
> back aching! I feel "alive" after a good session in the garden.

Digging is the best therapy for de-stressing. The technical side of
gardening I am happy to leave to others. I guess a little will be absorbed
over time, but for the most part the bit I like about gardening is that I'm
not in the office.

> It
> is also so rewarding to see the little seedlings grow into big plants
> - and finally to see then on the dinner plate - knowing they haven't
> been sprayed with pesticides.

A friend of mine promised me a complete home-grown meal after he 'retired'
to the country a few years back. He was good for his promise too, including
the lamb. Good luck to him.
--
William Tasso


Anne Jackson

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> I'm not a regular, but I am a developer/development manager. Shortly
> to be IS Team Manager for a big utility, which is nice. As long as I
> remember to reply in German when I'm boarding the train. IYSWIM.

In here picking up a few tips for the new garden, huh? ;-)
I just "met" Eddie and Lesley over in the pets NG!

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Anne Jackson

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from Mike <rum...@rumtub.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

> Which was it for, the H.M.S.Collingwood Association Reunion, the British
> Pacific and East Indies Fleets Reunion, the River Class Association
> Reunion Dinner, the Fred Olson 'Black Prince' Cruise or the article
> about the National Service (Royal Air Force) Association?

> I have terrific feedback from the 'Letter to the Editors' I write to,
> but I never know which paper has done which letter until I get feed back
> and the person actually tells me which paper they saw it in.

There was a "Letter to the Editor" in the Perthshire Advertiser today,
something about "Did you serve on the Collingwood" but I didn't pay it
much attention......I'll have another look at it tomorrow, if you like?

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Warwick

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Begin <6t2B9.44$ic7....@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>,
spam....@here.com quote...

> > >I had to fill in a form recently for a job application and filled in
> > >RPGII as one of my programming languages................the nice young
> > >man at the agency looked at me as if I had crawled out from under a
> > >stone............:~(
> >
> > I remember that but didn't use it. Autocoder, Plan and Cobol were what
> > we used. (IBM, ICL, Honeywell).
> > --
> > June Hughes
>
> An interesting profile is forming here. Are many of the regulars to this
> group former or current programmers / IT staff ?
> Drakanthus (software developer for over twenty years)

*hold up hand*

There's another very hard core group on usenet full of sysadmins (called
the monastery) and I believe every one of us harbours the urge to hang
up the etherkillers and doff the gardening gloves.

I think the main reason for this is the ehtos "Nobody ever got a
phonecall at 3am to attend a lawn-mowing emergency".

Looking over that tyop, I'll let the timestamp on this post speak for
itself.

Back to the garden though.

Wet as it is, dry as the shed is. We have no overhanging trees, and
precious littel in the way of shrub (yes that's a singular) since this
is season one of the garden that was home to the conifers.

I have this greenhouse full of nothing. Unheated and only a 6'x8' one. I
stuch the fuschia pots in there to protect them from frost and give a
little heat, and may put in a cable to keep things above 5 degrees.

There must be something I can be planting up or seeds I can put in.

Warwick

Mike

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Nov 16, 2002, 3:35:17 AM11/16/02
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In article <200211160...@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson
<amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> writes

Many thanks. I know which one that is thanks :-))

And to "Argos", I did try to answer your questions by email but it
bounced back, (you hide, I don't) so I will answer it here,

Yes I, or rather the Treasurers of the Associations keep Accounts and
inform the Inland Revenue.
No I, nor any of the committee members make any financial gain out of
the various Associations.
May I ask how much 'profit', or 'financial gain' you make from your
hobby?
And to any one else who think I am 'on the make', I ask one question...

"With such publicity, such public exposure, with such Constitutions for
the Associations, with so many committee members voted in at I & AGM's
and Accounts presented to the members, with so many people I have to
answer to . . . . . . . . How can I be 'On the make?'

I actually 'spend' my own money on my hobby, just as 99.99% of other
people spend on their hobby.

There has to be one disbelieving sod doesn't there?

*thinks* I wonder what fiddle he/she is on to judge others by him/her
self?


Mike

________________________________________________________________________________

William Tasso

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Warwick wrote:
> ...

> I think the main reason for this is the ehtos "Nobody ever got a
> phonecall at 3am to attend a lawn-mowing emergency".

LOL - That's the funniest for days. Thank you.

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Cerumen

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"June Hughes" <juneh...@theacct.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <DjeB9.29080$zX3....@news.indigo.ie>, Cerumen
> <spam_thi...@spammers.r.us.com> writes
> >No, aerospace engineer here, but used computers in the 70's before most
> >knew what they really were.
> >--

> Doh! West Cork! Every time I see one of your postings, I feel very


> envious of you living in such a beautiful place. Lucky you! (am
> sulking now :)
>
> (Actually, it's not so different from West Cumbria, where I grew up,
> except that you have all that ocean to the south and west!)
>

It is indeed a lovely area, not my original home, I was born in Wales, but
I am indeed lucky to live here.

Mary Fisher

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>
> Goodness, I must be getting old! Pass me my hot water bottle!

No. I'm using it.

Mary
> --
> June Hughes


Mike

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Nov 18, 2002, 3:39:50 AM11/18/02
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In article <200211160...@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson
<amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>
>There was a "Letter to the Editor" in the Perthshire Advertiser today,
>something about "Did you serve on the Collingwood" but I didn't pay it
>much attention......I'll have another look at it tomorrow, if you like?
>

"Saw Anne Jackson's posting on the Gardening Newsgroup about serving at
H.M.S.Collingwood in her local paper. Made me look again in the Romford
Recorder to see if you were there. Yes!! Please send details, I was at
H.M.S.Collingwood from June 10th 1943"

Thanks Anne, another one who will now be meeting up with others he
served with during the war :-))

Mike


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MrMoosehead

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Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> muttered something incoherent
along the lines of:

>The message <9pj9tusn90eameovg...@4ax.com>


>from MrMoosehead <mrmoosehea...@ukrm.org> contains these words:
>
>> I'm not a regular, but I am a developer/development manager. Shortly
>> to be IS Team Manager for a big utility, which is nice. As long as I
>> remember to reply in German when I'm boarding the train. IYSWIM.
>
>In here picking up a few tips for the new garden, huh? ;-)
>I just "met" Eddie and Lesley over in the pets NG!

Hi Anne. It'll be next year before I even consider doing the garden.

But I have plans.....}:8)

Including building a play castle for MooseMatt. (and me of course)


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MrMoosehead

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Mike <rum...@rumtub.demon.co.uk> muttered something incoherent along
the lines of:

>In article <200211160...@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson


><amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>>
>>There was a "Letter to the Editor" in the Perthshire Advertiser today,
>>something about "Did you serve on the Collingwood" but I didn't pay it
>>much attention......I'll have another look at it tomorrow, if you like?
>>
>
>"Saw Anne Jackson's posting on the Gardening Newsgroup about serving at
>H.M.S.Collingwood in her local paper. Made me look again in the Romford
>Recorder to see if you were there. Yes!! Please send details, I was at
>H.M.S.Collingwood from June 10th 1943"
>
>Thanks Anne, another one who will now be meeting up with others he
>served with during the war :-))

She does have her uses sometimes...};8)


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Anne Jackson

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from Mike <rum...@rumtub.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

> In article <200211160...@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson


> <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
> >
> >There was a "Letter to the Editor" in the Perthshire Advertiser today,
> >something about "Did you serve on the Collingwood" but I didn't pay it
> >much attention......I'll have another look at it tomorrow, if you like?
> >

> "Saw Anne Jackson's posting on the Gardening Newsgroup about serving at
> H.M.S.Collingwood in her local paper. Made me look again in the Romford
> Recorder to see if you were there. Yes!! Please send details, I was at
> H.M.S.Collingwood from June 10th 1943"

> Thanks Anne, another one who will now be meeting up with others he
> served with during the war :-))

Cheers Mike! This was one of my "feeling old" days, and then I realised
that I was 9 months old when this man joined HMS Collingwood! ;-)

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Anne Jackson

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from MrMoosehead <mrmoosehea...@ukrm.org> contains these words:

> Mike <rum...@rumtub.demon.co.uk> muttered something incoherent along
> the lines of:

> >In article <200211160...@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson
> ><amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >>There was a "Letter to the Editor" in the Perthshire Advertiser today,
> >>something about "Did you serve on the Collingwood" but I didn't pay it
> >>much attention......I'll have another look at it tomorrow, if you like?
> >>
> >
> >"Saw Anne Jackson's posting on the Gardening Newsgroup about serving at
> >H.M.S.Collingwood in her local paper. Made me look again in the Romford
> >Recorder to see if you were there. Yes!! Please send details, I was at
> >H.M.S.Collingwood from June 10th 1943"
> >
> >Thanks Anne, another one who will now be meeting up with others he
> >served with during the war :-))

> She does have her uses sometimes...};8)

*smack*

MrMoosehead

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Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> muttered something incoherent
along the lines of:


>> >Thanks Anne, another one who will now be meeting up with others he
>> >served with during the war :-))
>
>> She does have her uses sometimes...};8)
>
>*smack*

Oooooh. Again Again!


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Mike

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Nov 20, 2002, 12:45:17 PM11/20/02
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In article <200211190...@zetnet.co.uk>, Anne Jackson
<amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>

>> "Saw Anne Jackson's posting on the Gardening Newsgroup about serving at
>> H.M.S.Collingwood in her local paper. Made me look again in the Romford
>> Recorder to see if you were there. Yes!! Please send details, I was at
>> H.M.S.Collingwood from June 10th 1943"
>
>> Thanks Anne, another one who will now be meeting up with others he
>> served with during the war :-))
>
>Cheers Mike! This was one of my "feeling old" days, and then I realised
>that I was 9 months old when this man joined HMS Collingwood! ;-)
>

I was just coming up to my 7th Birthday !!

Mike

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In article <vd4ktusnibpru0754...@4ax.com>, MrMoosehead
<mrmoosehea...@ukrm.org> writes

>Anne Jackson <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> muttered something incoherent
>along the lines of:
>
>
>>> >Thanks Anne, another one who will now be meeting up with others he
>>> >served with during the war :-))
>>
>>> She does have her uses sometimes...};8)
>>
>>*smack*
>
>Oooooh. Again Again!


You didn't say Please :-{

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