Any owners of Rhus, stag horn sumach tree please read.

[Dean25]

Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25 and
a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is Rhus
Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
from for me?!

Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc :-)
Dean




--
Dean25

[harry]

You do know it is a non-native species that is considered as bad as
knotweed by some?
Best to dig it up and burn it.

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <9eebc3ce-3df4-46f9...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 11, 12:46=A0am, Dean25 <Dean25.a4b0...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25 and
>> a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is Rhus
>> Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
>> about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
>> miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
>> from for me?!
>>
>> Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
>> plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
>> from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc :-)
>

>You do know it is a non-native species that is considered as bad as
>knotweed by some?
>Best to dig it up and burn it.

Well, there are always a few idiots who claim ridiculous things.

Yes, it suckers profusely and that habit can make it a menace.
However, if it is in a position that the suckers can be kept
under control (e.g. if it is in a lawn, and they are mown off)
and won't damage anything, then that's not a problem. Bay
(Laurus nobilis) suckers, too.

I would be careful about burning it (I don't burn my Cotinus
coggygria prunings), because it is related to Toxicodendron
(poison ivy/oak), and I don't trust the smoke not to be toxic
and damage people's lungs.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Dean25]

nm...@cam.ac.uk;961287 Wrote:
> In article
> 9eebc3ce-3df4-46f9...@n16g2000vbn.googlegroups.com,
> harry harol...@aol.com wrote:-

> On Jun 11, 12:46=A0am, Dean25 Dean25.a4b0...@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote:

> -

> Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25
> and
> a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is
> Rhus
> Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
> about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
> miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
> from for me?!
>
> Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
> plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
> from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc

> :-)-

>
> You do know it is a non-native species that is considered as bad as
> knotweed by some?

> Best to dig it up and burn it.-

>
> Well, there are always a few idiots who claim ridiculous things.
>
> Yes, it suckers profusely and that habit can make it a menace.
> However, if it is in a position that the suckers can be kept
> under control (e.g. if it is in a lawn, and they are mown off)
> and won't damage anything, then that's not a problem. Bay
> (Laurus nobilis) suckers, too.
>
> I would be careful about burning it (I don't burn my Cotinus
> coggygria prunings), because it is related to Toxicodendron
> (poison ivy/oak), and I don't trust the smoke not to be toxic
> and damage people's lungs.
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.

Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree! I
already know alot about it and its hardly equal to knotweed. The tree
doesnt damage anything, its been ornamentally grown in the uk for over
300 years.
Helpful comments only people!




--
Dean25

[David Hill]

Yes, I have it and it suckers well into gravel so pulls easily.
David @ the showery end of Swansea Bay

[Janet]

In article <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25.a4bb8b6
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

> Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!

> Helpful comments only people!

You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.

This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
completely independent of gardenbanter.

There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS rhus
typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your post.Gardenbanter
has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither do
you.


Janet.

[Bob Hobden]

"David Hill" wrote ...
> Dean wrote:
>> Nick Wrote:
>>> harry wrote:-

>> Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree! I
>> already know alot about it and its hardly equal to knotweed. The tree
>> doesnt damage anything, its been ornamentally grown in the uk for over
>> 300 years.
>> Helpful comments only people!
>
>
>
>Yes, I have it and it suckers well into gravel so pulls easily.
>

We had it but the suckers came up everywhere, mower was always hitting the
roots too, and when the suckers started to come up in next doors garden,
having travelled under our drive, I cut it down and poisoned it.
Personally, whilst I like the look of tree there are others out there that
stay small, are better looking, but don't have quite the same bad habits.
I'm presently growing some Albizia julibrissin from seed.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <a3mln1...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>Well, it could be called helpful if people with experience warn you
>against any plant! But what you will always get in a newsgroup - and
>your post has come to uk.rec.gardening - is opinions from which you can
>pick and choose. You appear to have made up your mind about it
>already, so I'm not sure why you're asking for anyone's
>help/advice/opinion. What does puzzle me is why you want so many of
>them that you're growing them from seed *and* want people to propagate
>suckers for you. Are you cornering the market in Rhus sales?

Well, there's a sucker born every minute :-)

I grew one because I like them as architectural plants, and got rid
of it because it was either it or the drive ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Rod]

On Monday, 11 June 2012 13:13:10 UTC+1, Dean25 wrote:
> nm...@cam.ac.uk;961287 Wrote:

> > I would be careful about burning it (I don't burn my Cotinus
> > coggygria prunings), because it is related to Toxicodendron
> > (poison ivy/oak), and I don't trust the smoke not to be toxic
> > and damage people's lungs.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nick Maclaren.
>
> Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree! I
> already know alot about it and its hardly equal to knotweed. The tree
> doesnt damage anything, its been ornamentally grown in the uk for over
> 300 years.
> Helpful comments only people!
>

At risk of another petulant outburst may I suggest an elegant well behaved alternative?
Aralia Elata has much of a similar look about it with none of the drawbacks of R. typhina. It is especially beautiful in age though sadly you aren't going to see a 100yr old specimen in your own garden; I had the care of one such aged specimen in my old work garden next to some Sumachs and the Aralia totally eclipsed them.
Nick knows what he's talking about, R. typhina can provoke an allergic response and some other members of the family are really nasty. I and my daughter had a very dangerous and painful run in with one some years ago.

Rod

[Dean25]

echinosum;961310 Wrote:
> It is exceedingly common as a garden plant. Surely you will find several
> within a few mins walk of you, if you live in a residential area. Can't
> you wander around your locality and ask to take a sucker from someone?
>
> I've even seen it in public plantings, for example outside supermarkets
> and the like. Could probably steal one from there.
>
> It does come in various varieties. If you want a specific variety for
> the particular leaf form, etc, you'd be better off buying one from a
> garden centre, they aren't expensive.
>
> Some do seem to sucker more than others, don't know why.

yes the Standard Stag horn sumach suckers the most, the other cut leaf
versions dont get as large or sucker as much. not many garden centres
have it and the garden centre that does are selling them at �15 each. I
wanted a few suckers to grow on and I cant afford to buy say �45 worth!
I do see lots in nearby gardens but Im not brave enough to ask strangers
to dig up suckers for me! would be a bit odd!




--
Dean25

[Dean25]

Janet;961348 Wrote:
> In article Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4bb8b6
> @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
> -

> Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!

> Helpful comments only people!-

>
> You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
> advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.
>
> This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
> completely independent of gardenbanter.
>
> There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
> rhus
> typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
> post.Gardenbanter
> has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither
> do
> you.
>
>
> Janet.

Your incredibly rude Janet. I had never used this site before until last
night and if I was deluded it certainly didnt warrant your DISGUSTING
message.




--
Dean25

[Janet]

In article <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25.a4c0d17
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

the Standard Stag horn sumach suckers the most, the other cut leaf
> versions dont get as large or sucker as much. not many garden centres
> have it and the garden centre that does are selling them at £15 each. I
> wanted a few suckers to grow on and I cant afford to buy say £45 worth!

So buy one and grow it on. Learn some patience.

> I do see lots in nearby gardens but Im not brave enough to ask strangers
> to dig up suckers for me!

I thought you just did.

Janet

[Janet]

In article <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25.a4c6176
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

>
> Janet;961348 Wrote:
> > In article Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4bb8b6
> > @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
> > -
> > Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!
> > Helpful comments only people!-
> >
> > You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
> > advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.
> >
> > This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
> > completely independent of gardenbanter.
> >
> > There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
> > rhus
> > typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
> > post.Gardenbanter
> > has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither
> > do
> > you.
> >
> >
> > Janet.
>
> Your incredibly rude Janet.

But the really annoying thing, is that I'm right.

> I had never used this site before until last
> night

Does that give you some right to jump in feet first and behave like a
spoiled two year old? Not here it doesn't. This is NOT A "SITE".

Janet

[NT]

On Jun 12, 1:49 pm, Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
> In article <Dean25.a4c6...@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25.a4c6176

> @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Janet;961348 Wrote:

> > > In article Dean25.a4bb...@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4bb8b6

> > > @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
> > > -
> > > Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!
> > > Helpful comments only people!-
>
> > > You appear to be under the delusion  you have reached the customer
> > > advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.
>
> > > This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which  is
> > > completely independent of gardenbanter.
>
> > > There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
> > > rhus
> > > typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
> > > post.Gardenbanter
> > > has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither
> > > do
> > > you.
>
> > > Janet.
>
> > Your incredibly rude Janet.
>
>   But the really annoying thing, is that I'm right.
>
> > I had never used this site before until last
> > night
>
>   Does that give you some right to jump in feet first and behave like a
> spoiled two year old? Not here it doesn't. This is NOT A "SITE".
>
>   Janet

Janet is just explaining how newsgroups work. If you dont like it,
that's unfortunate.


NT

[David Rance]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 Dean25 wrote:

>> You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
>> advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.
>>
>> This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
>> completely independent of gardenbanter.
>>
>> There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
>>> rhus
>> typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
>>> post.Gardenbanter
>> has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and neither
>>> do
>> you.
>

>Your incredibly rude Janet.

Well, that is so. I've been on the receiving end of Janet's tongue more
than once and for no good reason other than she can be extremely
prickly. She does tend to treat us like naughty children when she feels
we've done wrong. I simply ignore it!

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
http://rance.org.uk

[kay]

Dean25;961381 Wrote:
> Thanks for your message, Im a little confused about your petulant
> outburst comment! Do you mean me? Im wondering why my messages have come
> across badly!

Possibly because you don't understand gardenbanter? It's not a gardening
forum, it's in effect a messaging service which posts your posts to a
newsgroup called uk.rec.gardening, and collects and displays posts other
people make to the newsgroup.

The newsgroup isn't a question and answer service, it's a group for chat
about gardening, so while people will try to answer your question, they
will also take the conversation off into quite independent routes. So
asking people to stick to your subject comes across as a wee bit rude in
that context.




--
kay

[Dean25]

Janet;961444 Wrote:
> In article Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4c6176
> @gardenbanter.co.uk says...-
>
> Janet;961348 Wrote: -

> In article Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4bb8b6
> @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
> -
> Im really just looking for replies from people who have the tree!
> Helpful comments only people!-
>
> You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
> advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.
>
> This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
> completely independent of gardenbanter.
>
> There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS
> rhus
> typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your
> post.Gardenbanter
> has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and
> neither
> do
> you.
>
>

> Janet.-
>
> Your incredibly rude Janet.-

>
> But the really annoying thing, is that I'm right.

> -

> I had never used this site before until last

> night-

>
> Does that give you some right to jump in feet first and behave like a
>
> spoiled two year old? Not here it doesn't. This is NOT A "SITE".
>
> Janet

You are deluded janet, My comment : "helpful comments only" was directed
at the person who advised me too burn down any sumachs, after I had
quoted it was my favourite tree in my opening paragraph. I CREATED this
thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people. Thats not being
rude, its being honest. If I misunderstood the purpose of this website,
I fail to see how that is your concern? You obviously have a serious
attitude problem and if you cant say anything nice, might I suggest you
say nothing at all???




--
Dean25

[Granity]

>
>
> Each topic, if it goes on for more than a few posts, tends to split. So
> for example A and Z both reply, B replies to A, Y replies to Z, and you
> in effect have two "threads" both under the same heading. 20 posts on
> the 'threads' have completely diverged, and there are now 6 of them. A
> good newsreader reflects this threading so you can read one thread to
> the end (or not, if you prefer) before going to the next. A web forum
> presents them in order of posting so you are dodging about all over the
> place.

That's down to poor posting discipline, on that particular site (pprune)
the mods would either just delete those posts or split them into a new
thread if they were important enough

GB is not a very message friendly site because of the need to interface
with groups, a good forum will have buttons for adding quotes, images,
urls, you tube embedding etc.




--
Granity

[Janet]

In article <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25.a4d5e96
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

. I CREATED this
> thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
> didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.

You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues.


Janet

[David Hill]

This is getting childish.
The thread was created in Garden Banter and followed up here,
There is a hell of a lot of off topic trash being posted under various
headings that has little or nothing to do with gardening etc but we put
up with it.
Give the OP a chance and just let it drop.
David Hill @ the damp end of Swansea who is getting Pissed off with all
the tripe in this news group.

[Janet]

In article <a3pskj...@mid.individual.net>, da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk
says...

>
> On 12/06/2012 22:46, Janet wrote:
> > In article<Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25.a4d5e96
> > @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
> >
> > . I CREATED this
> >> thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
> >> didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.
> >
> > You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
> > for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues.
> >
> >
> > Janet
> >
>
> This is getting childish.
> The thread was created in Garden Banter

.. where he ignored GB's sticky and FAQ

> and followed up here,
> There is a hell of a lot of off topic trash being posted under various
> headings that has little or nothing to do with gardening etc but we put
> up with it.

You're forever complaining about spam and OT trash most of us never
see; you've been given endless advice how to do the same.

However, when a gardening thread appears, there is every reason for the
gardeners here to join in and discuss the topic of sumach... which they
did in perfectly normal fashion, until the OP rudely rejected their input.

I'm far from the only regular gardening poster who objected to that.


Janet.

[Dean25]

'David Rance[_6_ Wrote:
> ;961489']On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 Dean25 wrote:
> --

> You appear to be under the delusion you have reached the customer
> advisory desk at a garden centre dedicated to serving you.
>
> This is a discussion group, called uk.rec.gardening, which is
> completely independent of gardenbanter.
>

> There is no membership, no moderator, anyone here is free to DISCUSS-
> rhus-
> typhina whether or not what they say is relevent to your-
> post.Gardenbanter-

> has no control over what is discussed here, or who replies, and

> neither-
> do-
> you.-
>
> Your incredibly rude Janet.-

>
> Well, that is so. I've been on the receiving end of Janet's tongue more
>
> than once and for no good reason other than she can be extremely
> prickly. She does tend to treat us like naughty children when she feels
>
> we've done wrong. I simply ignore it!
>
> David
>
> --
> David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

> 'Web Site of the Rance Family' (http://rance.org.uk)

haha how funny, thanks David, theres no need to be like that. Its
gardening!




--
Dean25

[David Hill]

For your information I have been using NEWS Individual net for the last
month, and I seem to be seeing far more childish messages than I ever
did when using Goggle.
Granted Google didn't filter out a lot of spam, but it didn't seem to
show so much absolute crap that some people seem to post.
Sorry but there is no other term for some of the postings.
David@ the damp end of Swansea Bay

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <MPG.2a41dff08...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> However, when a gardening thread appears, there is every reason for the
>gardeners here to join in and discuss the topic of sumach... which they
>did in perfectly normal fashion, until the OP rudely rejected their input.

That is unfair. He produced a response to an extremely unhelpful
semi-troll, but phrased it in such a way that it seemed to apply to
every response. Because he was a GardenBanterer, he did not realise
that replies very often appear in weird orders. Things then developed
into a flame war.

I am not going to take sides, or even echo Mercutio.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Dean25]

Janet;961529 Wrote:
> In article a3pskj...@mid.individual.net, da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk
>
> says...-
>
> On 12/06/2012 22:46, Janet wrote:-
> In articleDea...@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4d5e96
> @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
>
> . I CREATED this-

> thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I

> didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.-

>
> You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists
> purely,
> for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related
> issues.
>
>
> Janet

> -
>
> This is getting childish.
> The thread was created in Garden Banter-
>
> ... where he ignored GB's sticky and FAQ
> -

> and followed up here,
> There is a hell of a lot of off topic trash being posted under various
>
> headings that has little or nothing to do with gardening etc but we put
>

> up with it.-

>
> You're forever complaining about spam and OT trash most of us never
> see; you've been given endless advice how to do the same.
>
> However, when a gardening thread appears, there is every reason for
> the
> gardeners here to join in and discuss the topic of sumach... which they
>
> did in perfectly normal fashion, until the OP rudely rejected their
> input.
>
> I'm far from the only regular gardening poster who objected to that.
>
>
> Janet.

You must be so bored.




--
Dean25

[Martin Brown]

If she puts you off using Garden banter then so much the better.

>>
>> Does that give you some right to jump in feet first and behave like a
>>
>> spoiled two year old? Not here it doesn't. This is NOT A "SITE".
>>
>> Janet
>
> You are deluded janet, My comment : "helpful comments only" was directed
> at the person who advised me too burn down any sumachs, after I had
> quoted it was my favourite tree in my opening paragraph. I CREATED this
> thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
> didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people. Thats not being
> rude, its being honest. If I misunderstood the purpose of this website,
> I fail to see how that is your concern? You obviously have a serious
> attitude problem and if you cant say anything nice, might I suggest you
> say nothing at all???

The problem is that the website you are posting though is a parasitic
feed to a much older Usenet news service. Some of the posters here are
decidedly tetchy about people describing it as a "SITE" since it is not
one and never has been. Garden-b*nter and for that matter all the other
parasitic banter sites grab original material from Usenet without
permission and repost it as is if it was their own on a website.

You should pay attention to what Nick said about Sumac being something
of a nuisance. I have grown it constrained without too much problem but
it does sucker heavily and the thick resiny sap can be sensitising to
some people but far less so than the other members of Anacardaceae which
includes the closely related poison oak and ivy and lacquer tree.
Urushiol is not something to take lightly it is in the same sort of
chemical weapon class as mustard gas but naturally made by plants. It is
also the basis of Japanese lacquerware - harmless once polymerised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacardiaceae

Cashew nuts come from the type species and includes a warning about how
to roast the nuts to detoxify them whilst avoiding the smoke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cashew

I would not burn sumac either.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Sue]

"Dean25" <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk...

> 'David Rance[_6_ Wrote:
> haha how funny, thanks David, theres no need to be like that. Its
> gardening!

Quite. Now if you'd take your own advice and move on.

How about you go out for a stroll on a fine day and talk to a few of
these various neighbours who are actually growing the Sumachs you
desire. Ask over the garden fence, as you just happen to be walking by,
if they'd like to get rid of a few of those suckers which you know can
be a bit of a nuisance to some people. I'm sure someone will be only too
glad to be rid of them. You can offer to do the digging up if they like
and give them a plant swap, or to mow their lawn in return or whatever.
Next thing you know they won't be strangers and you'll have made new
gardening acquaintances. It'd be a more sensible use of your time than
arguing on the Interwebz at any rate.

--
Sue

[Dean25]

nm...@cam.ac.uk;961546 Wrote:
> In article MPG.2a41dff08...@news.eternal-september.org,
> Janet H...@invalid.net wrote:-

>
> However, when a gardening thread appears, there is every reason for
> the
> gardeners here to join in and discuss the topic of sumach... which they
>
> did in perfectly normal fashion, until the OP rudely rejected their

> input.-

>
> That is unfair. He produced a response to an extremely unhelpful
> semi-troll, but phrased it in such a way that it seemed to apply to
> every response. Because he was a GardenBanterer, he did not realise
> that replies very often appear in weird orders. Things then developed
> into a flame war.
>
> I am not going to take sides, or even echo Mercutio.
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.

Im not a gardenbanterer either, I just typed gardening forum on google
and joint the first one that came up. Yes I have found this website
confusing and to be honest, I Wont be here for long! Thank you to
everyone who did give me advice though. Going to ask some of the
volunteers I work with if they have Sumachs! Dean




--
Dean25

[harry]

On Jun 11, 11:18 pm, Dean25 <Dean25.a4c6...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
> Janet;961348 Wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

> > In article Dean25.a4bb...@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4bb8b6

No she just says the simple truth.

[Judith]

"other people" - eh? Just tell him he is not welcome and be done with it.


(I of course think that he is spot on having been on the receiving end of some
of your less than helpful comments)

[Dean25]

'Sue[_9_ Wrote:
> ;961564']"Dean25" Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote in message
> news:Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk...-

> 'David Rance[_6_ Wrote:
> haha how funny, thanks David, theres no need to be like that. Its

> gardening!-

>
> Quite. Now if you'd take your own advice and move on.
>
> How about you go out for a stroll on a fine day and talk to a few of
> these various neighbours who are actually growing the Sumachs you
> desire. Ask over the garden fence, as you just happen to be walking by,
> if they'd like to get rid of a few of those suckers which you know can
> be a bit of a nuisance to some people. I'm sure someone will be only
> too
> glad to be rid of them. You can offer to do the digging up if they like
> and give them a plant swap, or to mow their lawn in return or whatever.
> Next thing you know they won't be strangers and you'll have made new
> gardening acquaintances. It'd be a more sensible use of your time than
> arguing on the Interwebz at any rate.
>
> --
> Sue

Yes thats true, although I dont expect to argue with people on a garden
forum! I guess I will have to ask someone who has a tree locally (there
arnt that many near me, I have looked!) It also needs to be in a
suitable place to harvest suckers. Some peoples trees dont sucker atall
and some sucker through lawn or gravel, Im not going to even try asking
them to dig up there lawn or gravel! I thought if I messaged on here at
least the person would know plants and be more inclined to help me! Dean




--
Dean25

[Sue]

"Dean25" <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk...

> 'Sue Wrote:
>> "Dean25" Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote in message
>> news:Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk...-

>> How about you go out for a stroll on a fine day and talk to a few of
>> these various neighbours who are actually growing the Sumachs you
>> desire.

[...]

>> Next thing you know they won't be strangers and you'll have made new
>> gardening acquaintances. It'd be a more sensible use of your time
>> than arguing on the Interwebz at any rate.
>

> Yes thats true, although I dont expect to argue with people on a
> garden forum! I guess I will have to ask someone who has a tree
> locally (there arnt that many near me, I have looked!) It also needs
> to be in a suitable place to harvest suckers. Some peoples trees dont
> sucker atall and some sucker through lawn or gravel, Im not going to
> even try asking them to dig up there lawn or gravel! I thought if I
> messaged on here at least the person would know plants and be more
> inclined to help me! Dean

You could help yourself with a packet of seeds.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Roberts-Plants-T-A-RP-SEEDS/_i.html?_fsub=5

--
Sue

[Dean25]

Judith;961604 Wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:46:44 +0100, Janet H...@invalid.net wrote:

> -
> In article Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4d5e96
> @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
>
> . I CREATED this-

> thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I

> didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.-

>
> You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists
> purely,
> for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related

> issues.-

>
>
> "other people" - eh? Just tell him he is not welcome and be done with
> it.
>
>
> (I of course think that he is spot on having been on the receiving end
> of some
> of your less than helpful comments)

What a horrible place to be this is.




--
Dean25

[news]

In article <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25
<Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk> writes

>
>What a horrible place to be this is.
>

The solution is in your hands. This is an uncensored usenet newsgroup -
if you can't cope with that, its clearly not the place for you. Anyone's
welcome to contribute but it isn't a personal q & a service.

If you don't like the answers/comments, ignore them or argue them. If
its a reasoned argument, it'll get supported. If its a toys out of the
pram job, then it'll get treated approriately.

--
regards andyw

[David Rance]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 Sacha wrote:

>I think it's fair to say that everyone is welcome in urg and that most
>urglers try to be helpful. But if they come via e.g. Gardenbanter it
>may help *them* to realise that they're not in a straight question and
>answer situation. Because this is a discussion-about-gardening group,
>they will get a lot of opinions, some of which conflict! What they
>won't get, usually, is Answer B to Question A.

That, I think, is the most sensible answer in this whole thread.

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

http://rance.org.uk

[Dean25]

'Sue[_10_ Wrote:
> ;961641']"Dean25" Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote in message
> news:Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk...-
> 'Sue Wrote:-

> "Dean25" Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote in message
> news:Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk...-
> How about you go out for a stroll on a fine day and talk to a few of
> these various neighbours who are actually growing the Sumachs you

> desire.--
> [...]--

> Next thing you know they won't be strangers and you'll have made new
> gardening acquaintances. It'd be a more sensible use of your time

> than arguing on the Interwebz at any rate.-

>
> Yes thats true, although I dont expect to argue with people on a
> garden forum! I guess I will have to ask someone who has a tree
> locally (there arnt that many near me, I have looked!) It also needs
> to be in a suitable place to harvest suckers. Some peoples trees dont
> sucker atall and some sucker through lawn or gravel, Im not going to
> even try asking them to dig up there lawn or gravel! I thought if I
> messaged on here at least the person would know plants and be more

> inclined to help me! Dean-

>
> You could help yourself with a packet of seeds.

> 'Fuchsia excorticata Tree Fuchsia seeds - Very Exotic items in Roberts
> Plants T A RP SEEDS store on eBay!' (http://tinyurl.com/d23z57u)
>
> --
> Sue

Im already growing them from seed, they are hard to germinate. Ive tried
hot water soaking and chipping the seed coat.




--
Dean25

[Janet]

In article <dcoht7hvnovlmmmj2...@4ax.com>, jmsmith2011
@hotmail.co.uk says...

>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:46:44 +0100, Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>, Dean25.a4d5e96
> >@gardenbanter.co.uk says...
> >
> >. I CREATED this
> >> thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local, I
> >> didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.
> >
> > You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
> >for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues.
>
>
> "other people" - eh? Just tell him he is not welcome and be done with it.

Anyone is welcome to discuss growing rhus typhina even if they don't
have it in their garden, or don't intend to supply one to Dean.

Janet

[Judith]

and why the word "other" in the sentence:

"You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely, for
other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues."

I guess it was a reflection on what you were thinking.

[Janet]

In article <qi8kt7h6q0kvm1bst...@4ax.com>, jmsmith2011

I'd guess that's a reflection on how you follow threads. Read the line
by Dean above my reply. Responding to Dean's comment

" I didn't CREATE this thread to discuss sumachs with people",

I was pointing out that OTHER people are here purely to discuss; that is
the sole purpose of this group.

Janet

[Judith]

Nice wriggle:

"You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists purely,
for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues."

"the discussion group exists purely for other people" if not the group - then
what is it that "purely exists"?

[Mike]

"Judith" <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7blmt75jbdugcd16m...@4ax.com...

Once you lot in the clique get your knife into a person, especially if they
come from gardenbanter, you don't give up do you?

Can't you accept that gardenbanter is here and here to stay?

Go and start your own forum and make sure us nasties stay away.

Mike


--

...................................

I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.

...................................

[Dean25]

"'Mike'[_4_ Wrote:
> ;961830"]"Judith" jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk wrote in message
> news:7blmt75jbdugcd16m...@4ax.com...-

> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:41:02 +0100, Janet H...@invalid.net wrote:

> -
> In article qi8kt7h6q0kvm1bst...@4ax.com, jmsmith2011
> @hotmail.co.uk says...-

>
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:44:12 +0100, Janet H...@invalid.net wrote:
>

> In article dcoht7hvnovlmmmj2...@4ax.com, jmsmith2011

> @hotmail.co.uk says...
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 22:46:44 +0100, Janet H...@invalid.net wrote:
>

> In article Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk, Dean25.a4d5e96

> @gardenbanter.co.uk says...
>
> . I CREATED this
> thread with the intention of aquiring suckers from someone local,
> I
> didnt CREATE this thread to discuss Sumachs with people.
>
> You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists
> purely,
> for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related
> issues.
>
>
> "other people" - eh? Just tell him he is not welcome and be done
> with it.
>
> Anyone is welcome to discuss growing rhus typhina even if they don't
> have it in their garden, or don't intend to supply one to Dean.
>
> Janet
>
> and why the word "other" in the sentence:
>
> "You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists
> purely, for
> other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related issues."

> I guess it was a reflection on what you were thinking.-

>
> I'd guess that's a reflection on how you follow threads. Read the
> line
> by Dean above my reply. Responding to Dean's comment
>
> " I didn't CREATE this thread to discuss sumachs with people",
>
> I was pointing out that OTHER people are here purely to discuss; that
> is
> the sole purpose of this group.
>
> Janet

> -

>
>
>
> Nice wriggle:
>
> "You have created this thread in a discussion group which exists
> purely,
> for other people to discuss plants, gardens, and garden related
> issues."
>
> "the discussion group exists purely for other people" if not the group
> -
> then

> what is it that "purely exists"?-

>
> Once you lot in the clique get your knife into a person, especially if
> they
> come from gardenbanter, you don't give up do you?
>
> Can't you accept that gardenbanter is here and here to stay?
>
> Go and start your own forum and make sure us nasties stay away.
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
>

> ....................................

>
> I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo
> straight.
>

> ....................................[/QUOTE
>
> Im not from Garden banter! I mistakenly posted on here. Ive been amazed
> at the responses on here I really have.




--
Dean25

[Jake]

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:20:18 +0000, Dean25
<Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:

>>
>> Im not from Garden banter! I mistakenly posted on here. Ive been amazed
>> at the responses on here I really have.

Whilst I'm not taking sides here, because neither side is 100% right,
you ARE from Garden Banter. The headers from your first post say:

From: Dean25 <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.rec.gardening
Subject: Any owners of Rhus, stag horn sumach tree please read.
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:46:59 +0000
Message-ID: <Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk>
Organization: GardenBanter.co.uk

So you posted to Garden Banter and Garden Banter simply sent your
message on here - if you had first read a bit of the information that
Garden Banter presents you would have perhaps understood far better
that Garden Banter is merely a "post office". Indeed, if you don't
realise that you are from Garden Banter then you have read none of the
information that's "in your face" when you log on there.

If you look at several "threads" on Garden Banter you will see lots of
references to "external usenet poster" people - those are us - and you
will see that the discussion often diverts from the original topic. At
other times, the advice we offer will be much broader than the
original question. That is what we do here.

It's not a question and answer session; it's a discussion. Only one or
two here are also members of Garden Banter; but we are all gardening
enthusiasts who are trying to help, free of charge, whilst the people
who operate Garden Banter anonymously rake in advertising income on
the back of our efforts to help people like you. But you have to
accept that when we are trying to help, we are also entitled to chat
amongst ourselves and maybe go beyond the original question.

When you posted your "helpful answers only" message you raised some
heckles. That's all. Simples.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from Swansea Bay. Dave's at that end; I'm at this end.
Bill G's in the middle. Come to think of it, where is Bill G these days?

[Dean25]

Jake;961966 Wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:20:18 +0000, Dean25
> Dean25....@gardenbanter.co.uk wrote:

> --

>
> Im not from Garden banter! I mistakenly posted on here. Ive been
> amazed

> at the responses on here I really have.--

yes quite, I bought another Sumach today from Garden centre hurrah!




--
Dean25

[Janet Tweedy]

In article <a3sg8v...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com>
writes

>I think it's fair to say that everyone is welcome in urg and that most
>urglers try to be helpful. But if they come via e.g. Gardenbanter it
>may help *them* to realise that they're not in a straight question and
>answer situation. Because this is a discussion-about-gardening group,
>they will get a lot of opinions, some of which conflict! What they
>won't get, usually, is Answer B to Question A.

>--
>Sacha


Gardening is like that though. I've just been to a garden centre where
people having been piling the most hideous mix (to my eyes) of bedding
and hanging basket plants onto their trollies, without much though for
whether the plants are all for sunny positions or for shady areas and
intend, from their remarks, them to all be placed together.

However they may not like my carefully co-ordinated pastel colour
schemes either but each to his own :)
--
Janet Tweedy

[Mike]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:a490ot...@mid.individual.net...

> When we make up hanging baskets for orders, we always ask if they're going
> to be in sun or shade. Choice of colour is up to the customer, of course.
> But when people choose for themselves, it's impossible to guide them
> unless they ask for help.
> --
> Sacha

If I concrete over my hanging baskets and before the concrete goes off I
stick a plastic daisy in it and I am pleased with it. Is that wrong? And who
are you or anybody else, to tell me it is wrong?

"MY" hanging basket. "MY" planning. "MY" pleasure.

A dig has already been made at someone's idea of hanging baskets. Shame on
you

Mike



--

[Ophelia]

"'Mike'" <'All.finished'@woolies.com> wrote in message
news:dsudnUOmvMc6zULS...@bt.com...

What in the world are you talking about???? Surely everyone is entitled to
their own opinion? You are certainly expressing yours!

--
--

http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

[Mike]

"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message
news:jrnm66$muk$3...@dont-email.me...

THAT, is my point!!

[Ophelia]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:a496ub...@mid.individual.net...

> You've just found out why he's in most peoples' kill files. There's no
> sense to many of these diatribes. Nobody has made a dig at anyone. If
> people want help as to light or shade for their plants, or indeed any
> help, they have only to ask is what I wrote. I actually said "Choice of
> colour is up to the customer". Apparently, on Planet Crowe, this makes me
> some kind of would-be arbiter of others' taste!

*rolls eyes* Understood!


--

http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

[Mike]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:a496ub...@mid.individual.net...
> On 2012-06-18 17:49:06 +0100, "Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> said:
>
>>
>>

> You've just found out why he's in most peoples' kill files. There's no
> sense to many of these diatribes. Nobody has made a dig at anyone. If
> people want help as to light or shade for their plants, or indeed any
> help, they have only to ask is what I wrote. I actually said "Choice of
> colour is up to the customer". Apparently, on Planet Crowe, this makes me
> some kind of would-be arbiter of others' taste!

> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.com
> www.hillhousenurserytearoom.com
> South Devon

>
>

""" Nobody has made a dig at anyone."""

No?

What's this? A Scotch Mist?

We've just gone past a house with about 6 hanging baskets. Every basket
is lined with black polythene and is planted only with one single
upright conifer about 2' tall. They are beyond ugly but they also look
serously weird. Whoever thinks of planting a conifer in a hanging
basket and all on its own, too?!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
www.hillhousenurserytearoom.com
South Devon

That appears to have come from you. Correct me if I am wrong.

(My spell checker wanted to correct your spelling mistake)

Kindest possible regards

Mike
On the Sunny South East Coast of the Isle of Wight

[ma...@samouelle.com]

this is top class entertainment. The bad tempered garden forum.

[Martin Brown]

On 28/04/2014 14:50, ma...@samouelle.com wrote:
> this is top class entertainment. The bad tempered garden forum.
>

?!? When was this thread?

Stag horn sumach is a bit tedious for its tendency to sucker and the
horribly tacky possibly skin sensitising resinous sap but it is quite
benign compared to its close relatives now called toxicodendrons.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Gary Woods]

Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
>?!? When was this thread?

I didn't see the original, so either I had the OP consigned to the sin bin,
or it's a long-gone thread.

>
>Stag horn sumach is a bit tedious for its tendency to sucker

Native here; the blooming spikes make a lovely lemon-flavored tea.
They're a frequent first colonizer when open fields are unmowed for a few
years.


--
Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/4 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

[Chris J Dixon]

Martin Brown wrote:

>On 28/04/2014 14:50, ma...@samouelle.com wrote:
>> this is top class entertainment. The bad tempered garden forum.
>
>?!? When was this thread?

June 2012, apparently.

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/uk.rec.gardening/_NGdQMCnE4Q/qt3xBz7UkdYJ>

>Stag horn sumach is a bit tedious for its tendency to sucker and the
>horribly tacky possibly skin sensitising resinous sap but it is quite
>benign compared to its close relatives now called toxicodendrons.

It seems some posters got a bit hot under the collar, not helped
by the OP using gardenbanter.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
ch...@cdixon.me.uk

Plant amazing Acers.

[Clive Nicholas]

On Monday, June 11, 2012 at 12:46:59 AM UTC+1, Dean25 wrote:
> Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25 and
> a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is Rhus
> Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
> about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
> miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
> from for me?!
>
> Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
> plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
> from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc :-)
> Dean
> Hello im Clive, I have being nurturing them for about a year and have some varied specimens. if you like i can take some photos. They are in pots which is best first. They are best planted on a raised bed where suckers in the future are easily dealt with. Most have been lopped to form a different habit , some say more like a palm tree look.
>
>
>
> --
> Dean25

[Clive Nicholas]

On Monday, June 11, 2012 at 12:46:59 AM UTC+1, Dean25 wrote:
> Hey there to anyone reading this, I live in the the Uk, Bucks im 25 and
> a keen gardener. A plant which I am currently growing from seed is Rhus
> Typhinia, stags horn sumach, my favourite tree, I already know alot
> about the tree but Im Wondering If anyone Who doesnt live a million
> miles away from me has a parent tree they could Propogate some suckers
> from for me?!
>
> Apparently they grow more rapidly from suckers than seed. Im aware the
> plant/tree has some unpopular habits but I love them! I hope to hear
> from anyone who can help. Obviously Happy to swap/pay for them etc :-)
> Dean
>
>
>
>

> --
> Dean25
I am Clive I think i can help emailcl...@gmx.com

[Clive Nicholas]

I have been collecting this tree/shrub for a while. I have varied sizes, lopped unlopped for bush habit and treated roots that is root balled.
I have replied before and will be ready soon to sell them off. clive...@gmx.com

[The Natural Philosopher]

I think in the last 8 years he has probably found some by now

--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain