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Donald S. Hall

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Jun 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/15/00
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Hello,

Does anyone have an organic solution for iron deficient raspberry canes?
Some of my canes have yellowing leaves with dark green veins, which I
believe suggests an iron deficiency (though the ones right next to them in
the same soil are very green and healthly looking).

Thank you very much for any suggestions.

Don

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Adam

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I have heard of burying rusty nails in the soil as a treatment for iron
deficiency. I don't know whether you consider this organic. Also, I haven't
tried it myself, so I have no idea if it actually works.

Adam

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Jonathan Ward

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In article <8ia1u2$fem$1...@supernews.com>, aja...@dianthus.co.uk says...

>
>I have heard of burying rusty nails in the soil as a treatment for iron
>deficiency. I don't know whether you consider this organic. Also, I haven't
>tried it myself, so I have no idea if it actually works.
>
>Adam
>
>Donald S. Hall <spam...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>news:spamback-150...@cus1-25.lis.ab.ca...
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone have an organic solution for iron deficient raspberry canes?
>> Some of my canes have yellowing leaves with dark green veins, which I
>> believe suggests an iron deficiency (though the ones right next to them in
>> the same soil are very green and healthly looking).
>>
>> Thank you very much for any suggestions.
>>
>> Don
>>
We suffer from a manganese deficiency in our soil, which makes itself apparent
with peas and broad beans. As with iron deficiency the leaves go yellow. IOt is
particularly bad in cold wet weather as we have had recently. I don't know
whther the rain leaches elements from the soil or the plants acnnot absorb it
under shtese conditions.I now solve this by applying rose feed to my tranch
before sowing as it tends to be rich in trace elements.
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Jonathan Ward

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Jun 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/15/00
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In article <8ia1u2$fem$1...@supernews.com>, aja...@dianthus.co.uk says...
>
>I have heard of burying rusty nails in the soil as a treatment for iron
>deficiency. I don't know whether you consider this organic. Also, I haven't
>tried it myself, so I have no idea if it actually works.
>
>Adam
>
>Donald S. Hall <spam...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>news:spamback-150...@cus1-25.lis.ab.ca...
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone have an organic solution for iron deficient raspberry canes?
>> Some of my canes have yellowing leaves with dark green veins, which I
>> believe suggests an iron deficiency (though the ones right next to them in
>> the same soil are very green and healthly looking).
>>
>> Thank you very much for any suggestions.
>>
>> Don
>>
We suffer from a managanese deficiency which affects braod beans and peas,
turning the leaves yellow. It is particulalry bad in cool wet weather, such
as we have had recently. I don't know whether the rain leaches the trace
elements out, or the plants have problems absorbing them under these
conditions. I solve the problem by applying rose fertilizer, which is rich in
trace elements, in the trench when I sow.

Jon Green

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Jun 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/15/00
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:12:33 GMT, spam...@127.0.0.1 (Donald S. Hall)
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have an organic solution for iron deficient raspberry canes?
> Some of my canes have yellowing leaves with dark green veins, which I
> believe suggests an iron deficiency (though the ones right next to them in
> the same soil are very green and healthly looking).

Seaweed! We find that seaweed extract does wonders for chlorosis.
Also, consider ways of reducing your soil pH a little (making it more
acid), as a limey soil can prevent plants from taking up iron so
effectively.

You can get seaweed+chelated iron as well: I'm not sure whether this is
approved under organic guidelines, but I suspect it probably isn't.


Jon
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Julian M Clough

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Jun 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/15/00
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Dear Donald,
How about using Sequestan feed usually for Rhodies ect or you could scatter
some old rusty nails at the base and water in well but that's a slow
process, I use loads of compost and manure as a mulch so the iron deficit
has never been apparent.

Sally Clough
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Donald S. Hall <spam...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have an organic solution for iron deficient raspberry canes?
> Some of my canes have yellowing leaves with dark green veins, which I
> believe suggests an iron deficiency (though the ones right next to them in
> the same soil are very green and healthly looking).
>

> Thank you very much for any suggestions.
>
> Don
>

Donald S. Hall

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Jun 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/16/00
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Thank you to all you posted an answer to my query!

Don

In article <e9chkscje409ao4vq...@4ax.com>, Jon Green
<jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:12:33 GMT, spam...@127.0.0.1 (Donald S. Hall)
> wrote:
>

> > Hello,
> >
> > Does anyone have an organic solution for iron deficient raspberry canes?
> > Some of my canes have yellowing leaves with dark green veins, which I
> > believe suggests an iron deficiency (though the ones right next to them in
> > the same soil are very green and healthly looking).
>

> Seaweed! We find that seaweed extract does wonders for chlorosis.
> Also, consider ways of reducing your soil pH a little (making it more
> acid), as a limey soil can prevent plants from taking up iron so
> effectively.
>
> You can get seaweed+chelated iron as well: I'm not sure whether this is
> approved under organic guidelines, but I suspect it probably isn't.
>
>
> Jon

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Anton

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Donald S. Hall <spam...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:spamback-150...@cus1-25.lis.ab.ca...
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have an organic solution for iron deficient raspberry canes?
> Some of my canes have yellowing leaves with dark green veins, which I
> believe suggests an iron deficiency (though the ones right next to them in
> the same soil are very green and healthly looking).
>

If it's iron deficiency, then adding iron to the soil whether as rusty nails
or whatever does not help. Iron deficiency in plants normally happens
because the soil is too alkaline, and the plant cannot get at the iron which
is there. (Chelated iron bypasses this problem, but I suspect is not
organic) You should consider sources of organic acidity- if you have pine
needles or oak leaves in your garden, I believe that these are acid.
Sulphur will help to acidify the soil, but whther this is 'organic' I have
no idea.

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Thomas Prufer

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Jun 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM6/17/00
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:21:23 +0100, "Anton"
<popi...@btNOSPAMconnect.com> wrote:

>If it's iron deficiency, then adding iron to the soil whether as rusty nails
>or whatever does not help. Iron deficiency in plants normally happens
>because the soil is too alkaline, and the plant cannot get at the iron which
>is there. (Chelated iron bypasses this problem, but I suspect is not
>organic) You should consider sources of organic acidity- if you have pine
>needles or oak leaves in your garden, I believe that these are acid.
>Sulphur will help to acidify the soil, but whther this is 'organic' I have
>no idea.

And something to remember when fertilizing: Iron deficiency in
alkaline soils is exacerbated by high phosphate levels. And high
phosphate levels take a long time to reduce, as the stuff isn't very
mobile in soil.

Foliar feeding with something that contains iron will provide a
temporary fix. Perhaps seaweed solution?

And a truly organic solution would be to throw out the plants that are
susceptible to chlorosis, after harvest of course, and then replace
them with cuttings from the non-susceptible plants...


Thomas Prufer

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