Best Philadelphus for scent?
Gill Hall
not too big (ie not Virginal or Belle Etoile) and that flowers later than
Coronarius. Has anyone got any recommendations for the best scent? Some of the
modern kinds don't seem to me to be as good as the old varieties.
All suggestions gratefully received!
Gill Hall
Charlie Pridham
"Gill Hall" <hal...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20020606044458...@mb-fp.aol.com...
P. maculatus, its wonderful! I agree, many of the modern hybrids are poor
scent wise when compared to straight P. coronarius say.
--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Gill Hall
>scent wise when compared to straight P. coronarius say.
>
at all in the RHS online Plant finder - at least, not under that name. It seems
to be an American variety?
Gill Hall
Charlie Pridham
"Gill Hall" <hal...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
No its a straight species, it grows well at Trellisick near me but I have
never found it for sale (perhaps its misnamed?! wouldn't be the first
time!!!) I will see if I can weasel a bit out of Barry Champion the gardener
there! I have Philadelphus maderiensis but that appears to be tender and I
have not had it flower for me yet. but my favourite is still P. coronarius
Pam Moore
>I am planning a new scented planting and want to include a Philadelphus that is
>not too big (ie not Virginal or Belle Etoile) and that flowers later than
>Coronarius. Has anyone got any recommendations for the best scent? Some of the
>modern kinds don't seem to me to be as good as the old varieties.
I bought a Belle Etoille 3 years ago after a course on scented plants.
It has just flowered for the first time and it is NOT B.E. as it is
double. Very frustrating. It came from a Yellow Book garden sale,
not a nursery or garden centre, so I cannot go back and complain.
Cheers
Pam
pam....@virgin.net
Bristol
Edwin Spector
...
> I bought a Belle Etoille 3 years ago after a course on scented plants.
> It has just flowered for the first time and it is NOT B.E. as it is
> double.
Funny you should say that. I eventually bought a Philadelphus two (three?) years
ago. I had passed one in a garden and was amazed by the wonderful scent. Now,
mine is flowering for the first time. Like yours, mine has double flowers, but I
hate the smell - it's quite heavy, nothing like what I remember. I think it is a
Virginal, and it came from a pukka GC. Looks like I got the wrong type. Rats.
Maybe other people like that sort of thing. I happen to dislike the smell of
roses.
Regards
Edwin
Bath (not far from you).
gwo...@albany.net
>I bought a Belle Etoille 3 years ago after a course on scented plants.
>It has just flowered for the first time and it is NOT B.E. as it is
>double. Very frustrating.
Can anybody point me at a source for Philadelphus varieties vis a vis
scent, etc.? A dear friend of mine has a huge one with absolutely no
scent, and would like one that smells like the Mock Orange outside her
window as a teenager. And no, I won't say _how_ long ago that was, but
pterodactyls were a hazard on the walk to school.
The sugar snap peas have flowers.... stir-fry can't be far behind!
Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1200' elevation. NY WO G
green grass
> Can anybody point me at a source for Philadelphus varieties vis a vis
> scent, etc.? A dear friend of mine has a huge one with absolutely no
> scent, and would like one that smells like the Mock Orange
Hi,
This sounds like PHILADELPHUS
Species/Cultivar P. virginal
Common Name Mock Orange
Type of Plant Shrub. P. virginal is the most popular one with pure WHITE
flowers that are double and borne in pendent clusters.
TC.
Edwin Spector
have one. It has double flowers, as you describe, but a smell which I find heavy
and unpleasant. The one I half-recall had non-double flowers, and a pleasant,
light perfume.
Edwin
Bath.
Sue
"Edwin Spector" <e...@lucent.com> wrote
> No - that's not the one I'm after. As mentioned in a previous post, I
> already have one. It has double flowers, as you describe, but a smell
> which I find heavy and unpleasant. The one I half-recall had non-double
> flowers, and a pleasant, light perfume.
Could it have been 'Beauclerk'? That's a scented one with larger single
flowers which also have a bit of a purply blotch in the centre. I walk past
one sometimes I believe is this variety and the scent seems lighter than
some other types.
Sue
Jill Bell
<e...@lucent.com> writes
>No - that's not the one I'm after. As mentioned in a previous post, I already
>have one. It has double flowers, as you describe, but a smell which I
>find heavy
>and unpleasant. The one I half-recall had non-double flowers, and a pleasant,
>light perfume.
My neighbour has P 'Lemionei' which might fit the bill - nice scent, not
too big.
And I have one which has quite small but very scented flowers ( with
just a vague hint of bubble gum which I'm not quite sure about!) on and
upright shrub that's about 5 feet tall - covered in flower just now. I
was sold it as P erectus - but can't find any reference to it in the RHS
Encyclopaedia - I wonder if it could be P microphyllus.
Jill
--
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Kevin Wood
Philadelphus lemoinei Erectus is one that I grow - citrus overtones to
the scent.
Kev.
Jane Lumley
<e...@lucent.com> writes
>No - that's not the one I'm after. As mentioned in a previous post, I already
>have one. It has double flowers, as you describe, but a smell which I find
>heavy
>and unpleasant. The one I half-recall had non-double flowers, and a pleasant,
>light perfume.
>
>Edwin
>Bath.
The basic Philadelphus (also available as 'Aureus') also has a heavy
smell.
'Belle Etoile', which has purple centres and single flowers, larger than
the starshapped flowers ont he comon Philadelphus, and trumpetish, has a
pleasant scent, not overwhelming - to me, anyway. But since scent is
subjective perhaps it might help to add that IIRC Stephen Lacey says the
same thing. 'Beauclerk' is very similar, but with fainter purple
markings. 'Manteau d'Hermine', which is tiny, has a pleasant faint
scent too.
--
Jane Lumley
Edwin Spector
varieties. Dunno what to do with the three-year-old Virginal... Maybe far end of
the garden, or offers?
Edwin
Bath.
Gill Hall
>too big.
There is a big Belle Etoile (single large flowers with a purple blush) outside
our school back door. It has a wonderful far reaching scent, but I still prefer
the earlier flowering coronarius for scent. Now, if some public benefactor
would only plant a grove of different kinds of Philadelphus, we could all visit
and judge for ourselves.
Gill
Kay Easton
<hal...@aol.comnojunk> writes
Doesn't Chelsea Physic garden have exactly that? (though it's a long
time since I've been)
--
Kay Easton
Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/
Natalie
> Doesn't Chelsea Physic garden have exactly that? (though it's a long
> time since I've been)
Chelsea Physic Garden holds the National Collection of Cistus.
The National Collection of Philadelphus - 110 cultivars - is held by:
Alistair Hutchinson
Amenity Grounds Manager
Pershore College
Avonbank
Pershore
Worcestershire
WR10 3JP
They are open Mon-Fri 10-4 and it is free entry! There are also plants for
sale.
So anyone who wants to judge? ;~)
Natalie
Kay Easton
<ha...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>
>> Doesn't Chelsea Physic garden have exactly that? (though it's a long
>> time since I've been)
>
>Chelsea Physic Garden holds the National Collection of Cistus.
Yes, but they have large collections of other plants, and I think
Philadelphus was among them.
>
>The National Collection of Philadelphus - 110 cultivars - is held by:
>
>Alistair Hutchinson
>Amenity Grounds Manager
>Pershore College
>Avonbank
>Pershore
>Worcestershire
>WR10 3JP
>
>alistair-...@pershore.ac.uk
>
>They are open Mon-Fri 10-4 and it is free entry! There are also plants for
>sale.
>
>So anyone who wants to judge? ;~)
>
>Natalie
>
>
--
Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson
from hal...@aol.comnojunk (Gill Hall) contains these words:
> Gill
I bought a baby Philadelphus 'Belle Etoile' a couple of years ago and it
turns out to have no scent at all - at least to my nose. So presumably
it isn't 'Belle Etoile'. It does, though, suggest that there are
cultivars with single flowers which have little or no scent.
Janet G
Gill Hall
>turns out to have no scent at all - at least to my nose. So presumably
>it isn't 'Belle Etoile'. It does, though, suggest that there are
>cultivars with single flowers which have little or no scent.
It's funny, isn't it? I went to a nearby nursery on a cool, showery, windy day
and snifffed my way round the Philadelphuses (got some very funny looks from
the staff) and found that none of them had any scent. And in this cool weather
we're having again, the ones in my garden are almost scentless. But come a nice
warm still day and the scent is quite strong.
However, I agree with Janet. A lot of the new single-flowered cultivars seem
very disappointing in the scent department. And re groups of Philadelphus, I
think I read that there is a mixed planting at Cliveden. But I may be wrong and
it was somewhere else.
Gill
Jane Ransom
<hal...@aol.comnojunk> writes
>
>However, I agree with Janet. A lot of the new single-flowered cultivars seem
>very disappointing in the scent department.
Well ours is a very tall bush of single flowers and the scent is
breathtaking!!!!!!
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
If you want to email me,
put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com
Kay Easton
not gardeners, so none of them are likely to be anything special. One is
a small (2-3ft high) single flowered, one is a tall single, and one is a
tall double - all are scented, but the tall double is really
overpowering, both in the garden and in the house. I've no idea what
variety it is.
David Lester
In article <wI89imEl...@scarboro.demon.co.uk>, Kay Easton
<k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> writes:
> We have three Philadelphus, all planted by the previous owners, who were
> not gardeners, so none of them are likely to be anything special. One is
> a small (2-3ft high) single flowered, one is a tall single, and one is a
> tall double - all are scented, but the tall double is really
> overpowering, both in the garden and in the house. I've no idea what
> variety it is.
At a guess, and because my double has a wonderful scent, the variety
is probably "Virginal".
Wonderful!
David Lester.
Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson
from dle...@cs.man.ac.uk (David Lester) contains these words:
> Wonderful!
> David Lester.
My double has very little scent rather like the one I bought as 'Belle
Etoile'. I have a third Philadelphus, though, which has the knock-out
scent. It has a purplish centre to each flower which according to my
Hillier's Guide makes it either Beauclerk ("zone of light cerise", 2.5"
flowers) or Belle Etoile ("maroon flush at the centre", 2" flowers)
Oddly enough, just like Gill this was from a plant growing at school
just at the back of my classroom. My cutting is now about 2ft tall and
has just the same strong scent - wonderful!
Janet G
Edwin Spector
Jane Ransom wrote:
>> Well ours is a very tall bush of single flowers and the scent is
> breathtaking!!!!!!
Which type is that, please, Jane?
Edwin.
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Jane Ransom
<e...@lucent.com> writes
>>> Well ours is a very tall bush of single flowers and the scent is
>> breathtaking!!!!!!
>
>
>Which type is that, please, Jane?
>
know that single flowers can have glorious scents as well - sorry :((((