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vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 5:38:35 PM6/14/12
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Nick has gone mushroom hunting in the grass outside the front of the
house. This is a photo of the bowl he picked:
http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1393.jpg
They are white, yellow markings where damaged or apparently sunburnt.
The gills are pink. They seem to be growing in a big circle, on grass,
with no bits below the soil level
There are also lots of other types, including some huge flat ones with
dark gills, which I thought were mature versions of this one, but they
do appear to be different.
We're /fairly/ sure they're safe, as one of our neighbours eats them!
But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket. :-(
Any thoughts?
--
house. This is a photo of the bowl he picked:
http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1393.jpg
They are white, yellow markings where damaged or apparently sunburnt.
The gills are pink. They seem to be growing in a big circle, on grass,
with no bits below the soil level
There are also lots of other types, including some huge flat ones with
dark gills, which I thought were mature versions of this one, but they
do appear to be different.
We're /fairly/ sure they're safe, as one of our neighbours eats them!
But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket. :-(
Any thoughts?
--
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 5:50:14 PM6/14/12
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most of them.
They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
not to pick them until they have started to open and their
gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
amoung a mass of Agaricus.
The huge flat ones with dark gills are almost certainly mature
versions of this - that is exactly how they develop. I would
have no hesitation in eating the ones that meet the safe
rule for Agaricus, which would include most of those and the
huge flat ones. But I would perform the check list first!
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Christina Websell
Jun 14, 2012, 5:57:15 PM6/14/12
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<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
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wasn't. I spent many hours on the toilet and was lucky it didn't kill me.
I thought I knew, but I obviously didn't.
I'd never take a risk with what pops up in my garden or outside my house
again. I nearly turned inside out.
I do know a field mushroom when I see one, but anything else is too risky.
Supermarket mushrooms R me now. Never again. :-(
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 6:05:20 PM6/14/12
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nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
So what's the key to the difference between the two?
> They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
I hadn't realised amanita were very similar to the common. I'm
guessing you're specifically thinking of the death cap? And
from the picture here I'm guessing the differences are the gill
colour is white/pale, and stem bag?
> The huge flat ones with dark gills are almost certainly mature
> versions of this - that is exactly how they develop. I would
to the baby ones put me off.
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 6:21:03 PM6/14/12
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Farmer Giles <gi...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I'd be very wary of them myself for the simple reason that 'common'
> (field) mushrooms are not usually about for a few weeks yet.
Well, it's been a funny year. But I thought they were cooler weather
critters, spring and autumn. These pop up almost all year round.
> I'd be very wary of them myself for the simple reason that 'common'
> (field) mushrooms are not usually about for a few weeks yet.
Well, it's been a funny year. But I thought they were cooler weather
critters, spring and autumn. These pop up almost all year round.
Farmer Giles
Jun 14, 2012, 6:10:38 PM6/14/12
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Dave Liquorice
Jun 14, 2012, 6:12:11 PM6/14/12
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On 14 Jun 2012 21:38:35 GMT, vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote:
> There are also lots of other types, ...
its identity. There are some that look *very* similar to each other,
some of which are edible and harmless others lethal.
As there are "lots of other types" around get your neighbour who eats
them to positively identify the ones he eats and confirm no ill or
psychedelic (unless you are into that sort of thing) affects from
them.
--
Cheers
Dave.
> There are also lots of other types, ...
>
> We're /fairly/ sure they're safe, as one of our neighbours eats them!
> But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket. :-(
>
> Any thoughts?
Wise. I wouldn't eat wild mushrooms unless I was absolutely sure of
> We're /fairly/ sure they're safe, as one of our neighbours eats them!
> But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket. :-(
>
> Any thoughts?
its identity. There are some that look *very* similar to each other,
some of which are edible and harmless others lethal.
As there are "lots of other types" around get your neighbour who eats
them to positively identify the ones he eats and confirm no ill or
psychedelic (unless you are into that sort of thing) affects from
them.
--
Cheers
Dave.
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 6:29:41 PM6/14/12
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> anything resembling a field mushroom that was around much before the
> second half of the summer - depending on where you live, of course.
Soggy east-of-england
Farmer Giles
Jun 14, 2012, 6:25:41 PM6/14/12
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vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 6:25:03 PM6/14/12
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Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote:
>> There are also lots of other types, ...
>>
>> We're /fairly/ sure they're safe, as one of our neighbours eats them!
>> But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket. :-(
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
> Wise. I wouldn't eat wild mushrooms unless I was absolutely sure of
> its identity. There are some that look *very* similar to each other,
> some of which are edible and harmless others lethal.
>
> As there are "lots of other types" around get your neighbour who eats
> them to positively identify the ones he eats and confirm no ill or
> psychedelic (unless you are into that sort of thing) affects from
> them.
I wasn't going to go near any of the others. Did you look at the other
>> There are also lots of other types, ...
>>
>> We're /fairly/ sure they're safe, as one of our neighbours eats them!
>> But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket. :-(
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
> Wise. I wouldn't eat wild mushrooms unless I was absolutely sure of
> its identity. There are some that look *very* similar to each other,
> some of which are edible and harmless others lethal.
>
> As there are "lots of other types" around get your neighbour who eats
> them to positively identify the ones he eats and confirm no ill or
> psychedelic (unless you are into that sort of thing) affects from
> them.
photos in the directory? (I'm assuming Nick did, as he looked at the
flat/mature ones) There are some pretty inside-out-looking pinky purple
ones, and some parasol-shaped ones, which don't look in the slightest
edible, but they're pretty all the same.
parasol - http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1387.jpg
flat - http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1390.jpg
pointy - http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1386.jpg
purple - http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1384.jpg
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 6:38:24 PM6/14/12
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In article <a3v5h0...@mid.individual.net>, <use...@comps.org> wrote:
>>
>> They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
>> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
>> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
>> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
>> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
>> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
>> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
>
>So what's the key to the difference between the two?
>I hadn't realised amanita were very similar to the common. I'm
>guessing you're specifically thinking of the death cap? And
>from the picture here I'm guessing the differences are the gill
>colour is white/pale, and stem bag?
Warning: as I said earlier, field mushrooms are among the most
>>
>> They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
>> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
>> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
>> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
>> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
>> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
>> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
>
>So what's the key to the difference between the two?
>I hadn't realised amanita were very similar to the common. I'm
>guessing you're specifically thinking of the death cap? And
>from the picture here I'm guessing the differences are the gill
>colour is white/pale, and stem bag?
dangerous, as you need skill to identify them safely. I am NOT
giving enough advice in the following to do that, but only
enough to respond to the post.
Amanita (and phalloides is not the only lethal one - there are
also verna and virosa) have white gills and a volva (the stem
bag). But the latter can easy disappear for many reasons, so
the critical test is that the gills are VERY clearly pinkish
brown to chocolate brown and a secondary is that there is no
volva. And you need to be careful to distinguish discoloured
whitish gills from pink ones, which is where there is no
substitute for being shown the difference.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Emery Davis
Jun 14, 2012, 6:45:54 PM6/14/12
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On 06/15/2012 12:10 AM, Farmer Giles wrote:
> I'd be very wary of them myself for the simple reason that 'common'
> (field) mushrooms are not usually about for a few weeks yet.
Agreed. What do the spores look like?
> I'd be very wary of them myself for the simple reason that 'common'
> (field) mushrooms are not usually about for a few weeks yet.
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vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 14, 2012, 6:59:04 PM6/14/12
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nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> Warning: as I said earlier, field mushrooms are among the most
> dangerous, as you need skill to identify them safely. I am NOT
> giving enough advice in the following to do that, but only
> enough to respond to the post.
I promise not to sue you when we're all dead. ;-)
> Warning: as I said earlier, field mushrooms are among the most
> dangerous, as you need skill to identify them safely. I am NOT
> giving enough advice in the following to do that, but only
> enough to respond to the post.
(honest)
Dave Liquorice
Jun 14, 2012, 7:24:16 PM6/14/12
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On 14 Jun 2012 22:25:03 GMT, vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote:
> I wasn't going to go near any of the others. Did you look at the other
> photos in the directory?
No I just followed the link. I know enough about mushrooms to know
> I wasn't going to go near any of the others. Did you look at the other
> photos in the directory?
it's not safe to eat 'em unless you are *sure* they are edible. Other
comments in this thread shows that beings *sure* is not easy or
straight forward.
YHM BTW.
--
Cheers
Dave.
Steerpike
Jun 14, 2012, 10:12:56 PM6/14/12
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On Jun 15, 12:24 am, "Dave Liquorice"
http://www.shroomery.org/5298/Mushroom-Hunting
Might be of help to anyone not sure of what they are looking
at..................
Might be of help to anyone not sure of what they are looking
at..................
Emery Davis
Jun 15, 2012, 3:31:05 AM6/15/12
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> pointy - http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1386.jpg
> purple - http://comps.org/vicky/mushrooms/IMAG1384.jpg
edible, but pretty much dissolves on cooking. They're used raw in
salads sometimes. The problem is that Cortinaires vary widely in
coloration, and the bad ones will finish you. So there's really no
particular interest in eating them.
>
Emery Davis
Jun 15, 2012, 3:34:45 AM6/15/12
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On 06/15/2012 12:48 AM, Sacha wrote:
> Mushrooms in shops are not expensive to buy. Ask yourself how much your
> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
A kilo of Cepes costs 50 to 75 EU in a French market. Cheaper far to
gather your own if you can. We put up many kilos for use during the
coming year. And they're much tastier than the standard supermarket
mushroom.
I do agree with the second sentence though, and we never eat anything
we're not 100% sure about.
> Mushrooms in shops are not expensive to buy. Ask yourself how much your
> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
A kilo of Cepes costs 50 to 75 EU in a French market. Cheaper far to
gather your own if you can. We put up many kilos for use during the
coming year. And they're much tastier than the standard supermarket
mushroom.
I do agree with the second sentence though, and we never eat anything
we're not 100% sure about.
Dave Liquorice
Jun 15, 2012, 3:46:45 AM6/15/12
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:12:56 -0700 (PDT), Steerpike wrote:
> http://www.shroomery.org/5298/Mushroom-Hunting
>
> Might be of help to anyone not sure of what they are looking
> at..................
Lot's of pictures but pictures are not quite the same as seeing
> http://www.shroomery.org/5298/Mushroom-Hunting
>
> Might be of help to anyone not sure of what they are looking
> at..................
several examples in the flesh and being shown what to look for and
the natural variations that can be gotchas.
If there where mushrooms about up here I'd go on a wild mushroom
picking course with an expert. There aren't very many mushrooms about
up here so not worth it, Too cold I suspect, no ants either.
--
Cheers
Dave.
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Emery Davis
Jun 15, 2012, 5:29:36 AM6/15/12
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On 06/15/2012 10:59 AM, Sacha wrote:
> And in France you have the bonus of pharmacies which have an expert who
> identifies fungi.
That's probably true in some places, but no longer so much in the Perche
and surroundings. Surprising given that there are more species of
fungus than anywhere else in France, IIRC there are nearly 250
identified locally. Our pharmacist did the training at the but admits
she is pretty clueless. (http://www.mycologiades.com/ in French sorry).
I guess the younger generation of pharmacists just cant be bothered.
When we first moved to our village, which is called The Coffin (in
French of course) the mushroom expert was the undertaker! :)
-E
> identifies fungi.
That's probably true in some places, but no longer so much in the Perche
and surroundings. Surprising given that there are more species of
fungus than anywhere else in France, IIRC there are nearly 250
identified locally. Our pharmacist did the training at the but admits
she is pretty clueless. (http://www.mycologiades.com/ in French sorry).
I guess the younger generation of pharmacists just cant be bothered.
When we first moved to our village, which is called The Coffin (in
French of course) the mushroom expert was the undertaker! :)
-E
Ophelia
Jun 15, 2012, 7:22:54 AM6/15/12
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"Emery Davis" <lae...@esserda.oc.ku> wrote in message
news:a40715...@mid.individual.net...
> On 06/15/2012 12:48 AM, Sacha wrote:
>> Mushrooms in shops are not expensive to buy. Ask yourself how much your
>> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
>
> A kilo of Cepes costs 50 to 75 EU in a French market. Cheaper far to
> gather your own if you can. We put up many kilos for use during the
> coming year. And they're much tastier than the standard supermarket
> mushroom.
Define 'put up' please? Do you dry them or use other methods?
>> Mushrooms in shops are not expensive to buy. Ask yourself how much your
>> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
>
> A kilo of Cepes costs 50 to 75 EU in a French market. Cheaper far to
> gather your own if you can. We put up many kilos for use during the
> coming year. And they're much tastier than the standard supermarket
> mushroom.
>
> I do agree with the second sentence though, and we never eat anything
> we're not 100% sure about.
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Emery Davis
Jun 15, 2012, 7:46:46 AM6/15/12
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On 06/15/2012 01:22 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Emery Davis" <lae...@esserda.oc.ku> wrote in message
> news:a40715...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 06/15/2012 12:48 AM, Sacha wrote:
>>> Mushrooms in shops are not expensive to buy. Ask yourself how much your
>>> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
>>
>> A kilo of Cepes costs 50 to 75 EU in a French market. Cheaper far to
>> gather your own if you can. We put up many kilos for use during the
>> coming year. And they're much tastier than the standard supermarket
>> mushroom.
>
> Define 'put up' please? Do you dry them or use other methods?
>
>
Hi Ophelia,
>
>
> "Emery Davis" <lae...@esserda.oc.ku> wrote in message
> news:a40715...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 06/15/2012 12:48 AM, Sacha wrote:
>>> Mushrooms in shops are not expensive to buy. Ask yourself how much your
>>> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
>>
>> A kilo of Cepes costs 50 to 75 EU in a French market. Cheaper far to
>> gather your own if you can. We put up many kilos for use during the
>> coming year. And they're much tastier than the standard supermarket
>> mushroom.
>
> Define 'put up' please? Do you dry them or use other methods?
>
>
It's way too humid in our house to dry mushrooms, or much of anything
else! :) But I do know a couple of people who string them on a thread
and hang them to dry.
We freeze them, either uncooked for the best quality cepes or cooked for
mixed bolet, girolles, hedgehog etc.
Cooked is very easy, just saute until done in butter, cool, and bag in
around 200gm quantities. You can add these later to soups, sauces etc,
sometimes without even thawing.
For the raw frozen ones, we clean carefully and cut into about 5mm
slices, then lay out on trays which go into the freezer at -36C. The
frozen slices are then bagged as for the cooked. The raw frozen ones
can be sauteed directly for omelets etc and are pretty much
indistinguishable from fresh cepes.
HTH
Ophelia
Jun 15, 2012, 8:29:24 AM6/15/12
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"Emery Davis" <lae...@esserda.oc.ku> wrote in message
happy with reconstituted dried mushrooms.
Your way sounds much better :)) I treat other veg in some similar ways,
but never have done so with mushrooms!
Thank you again!!!
O
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Emery Davis
Jun 15, 2012, 9:19:01 AM6/15/12
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On 06/15/2012 03:13 PM, Sacha wrote:
> Slight of conflict of interests there - keep 'em alive, or increase his
> earnings?!! I'm sorry to hear that useful service is on the slide.
> given the number of people who go mushroom picking in France, I've
> always thought it a really sensible idea to have experts in many areas
> of the country. I would think clueless but still offering an opinion
> would be more dangerous than no advice at all!
We always assumed he had himself a nice little earner! :) And, never
asked him for advice...
> earnings?!! I'm sorry to hear that useful service is on the slide.
> given the number of people who go mushroom picking in France, I've
> always thought it a really sensible idea to have experts in many areas
> of the country. I would think clueless but still offering an opinion
> would be more dangerous than no advice at all!
We always assumed he had himself a nice little earner! :) And, never
asked him for advice...
kay
Jun 15, 2012, 7:47:07 AM6/15/12
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Christina Websell;961742 Wrote:
>
> I do know a field mushroom when I see one, but anything else is too
> risky.
>
non-edible/poisonous alternatives.
There are other fungi which are much less risky.
--
kay
Granity
Jun 15, 2012, 3:15:59 PM6/15/12
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nm...@cam.ac.uk;961740 Wrote:
> In article a3v3ur...@mid.individual.net, use...@comps.org wrote:-
> Nick has gone mushroom hunting in the grass outside the front of the
> house. This is a photo of the bowl he picked:
> http://tinyurl.com/bvm9oxd
> house. This is a photo of the bowl he picked:
>
> They are white, yellow markings where damaged or apparently sunburnt.
> The gills are pink. They seem to be growing in a big circle, on grass,
> with no bits below the soil level
>
> There are also lots of other types, including some huge flat ones with
> dark gills, which I thought were mature versions of this one, but they
> do appear to be different.
>
> They are white, yellow markings where damaged or apparently sunburnt.
> The gills are pink. They seem to be growing in a big circle, on grass,
> with no bits below the soil level
>
> There are also lots of other types, including some huge flat ones with
> dark gills, which I thought were mature versions of this one, but they
> do appear to be different.
>
> We're /fairly/ sure they're safe, as one of our neighbours eats them!
> But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket.
> :-(
>
> Any thoughts?-
> But mushrooms still scare me when they're not from the supermarket.
> :-(
>
>
> Well, I wouldn't eat all of them, though I would probably eat
> most of them.
>
> Well, I wouldn't eat all of them, though I would probably eat
> most of them.
>
> They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
>
> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
>
> The huge flat ones with dark gills are almost certainly mature
> versions of this - that is exactly how they develop. I would
> have no hesitation in eating the ones that meet the safe
> rule for Agaricus, which would include most of those and the
> huge flat ones. But I would perform the check list first!
>
>
> Regards,
> versions of this - that is exactly how they develop. I would
> have no hesitation in eating the ones that meet the safe
> rule for Agaricus, which would include most of those and the
> huge flat ones. But I would perform the check list first!
>
>
> Nick Maclaren.
I too would be happy to eat the button mushrooms with the pink gills as
they certainly appear to be Agaricus, the only danger of confusion in
the Agaricus, family is between the horse mushroom and the yellow
stainer which might give you an upset tum, but it only affects some
people others can eat them wit no ill effects.
Get yourself a copy of Roger Philips Mushrooms book and you'll soon be
able to make positive ID's of fungi, although some of the small frail
ones can be a right pain but you can ignore them anyway. Just go for the
ones that look like normal mushrooms and learn to tell the different
families apart, then learn which in those families can be eaten and
which cant and which families to leave totally alone.
--
Granity
Christina Websell
Jun 15, 2012, 5:20:43 PM6/15/12
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"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Mushrooms in shops are not expensive to buy. Ask yourself how much your
> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
> --
> health is worth compared to a punnet of mushrooms.
I did have a bad experience with one that came up in the garden, it nearly
turned me inside out, so I do tend to buy mine from the supermarket now.
I have a mushroom book and I thought I'd identified it as safe, but
apparently not. I wouldn't risk it again. No way.
Tina
Christina Websell
Jun 15, 2012, 5:26:28 PM6/15/12
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"Emery Davis" <lae...@esserda.oc.ku> wrote in message
news:a40715...@mid.individual.net...
seems expert in knowing what is safe and what isn't. She's a homeopath,
maybe it comes into their extensive training, 6 years I think.
Tina
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 15, 2012, 5:30:05 PM6/15/12
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In article <a41n9e...@mid.individual.net>,
know what you are doing - which does involve both book reading
and getting someone to show you a range of them as they grow.
Also, the MOST dangerous are field mushrooms, because there are
so many nasties that are fairly similar.
To a naive person, the fungus that grew in my garden that I
couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
(though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
wasn't an Agaricus, even if I couldn't tell what it was.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Christina Websell <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>I did have a bad experience with one that came up in the garden, it nearly
>turned me inside out, so I do tend to buy mine from the supermarket now.
>I have a mushroom book and I thought I'd identified it as safe, but
>apparently not. I wouldn't risk it again. No way.
As many of us have posted, eating them is perfectly safe IF you
>
>I did have a bad experience with one that came up in the garden, it nearly
>turned me inside out, so I do tend to buy mine from the supermarket now.
>I have a mushroom book and I thought I'd identified it as safe, but
>apparently not. I wouldn't risk it again. No way.
know what you are doing - which does involve both book reading
and getting someone to show you a range of them as they grow.
Also, the MOST dangerous are field mushrooms, because there are
so many nasties that are fairly similar.
To a naive person, the fungus that grew in my garden that I
couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
(though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
wasn't an Agaricus, even if I couldn't tell what it was.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Christina Websell
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> Farmer Giles <gi...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> I'd be very wary of them myself for the simple reason that 'common'
>> (field) mushrooms are not usually about for a few weeks yet.
>
>> I'd be very wary of them myself for the simple reason that 'common'
>> (field) mushrooms are not usually about for a few weeks yet.
>
> Well, it's been a funny year. But I thought they were cooler weather
> critters, spring and autumn. These pop up almost all year round.
Please don't do it, Vicky. I was lucky to get away with my stupidity as I
> critters, spring and autumn. These pop up almost all year round.
was told quite clearly on here a few weeks ago.
After only a few hours of eating it I was on the toilet constantly for what
seemed like days with terrible stomach spasms and pain.
I have no idea what it really was, but obviously not what I thought.
I do sometimes get parasol mushrooms in my garden, but would I eat them now?
No, in case I haven't identified them properly.
You can die if you make a mistake.
Tina
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vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 15, 2012, 7:55:29 PM6/15/12
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nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> To a naive person, the fungus that grew in my garden that I
> couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
> field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
> whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
> I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
> (though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
> wasn't an Agaricus, even if I couldn't tell what it was.
Blimey, they do look similar looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebeloma
> To a naive person, the fungus that grew in my garden that I
> couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
> field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
> whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
> I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
> (though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
> wasn't an Agaricus, even if I couldn't tell what it was.
I /have/ grown plain common mushrooms from a kit before (and I have one
still /trying/ to grow in the bathroom, but it's really really not having
it!!), but there isn't much risk going on there. :-}
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 15, 2012, 8:01:39 PM6/15/12
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Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
> so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
> ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise.
Oh give over. It's often me, and of those times it's almost always been
posted witha very clear "I am not planning on eating them, I'm just
curious what they are". And yet absolutely every time I have had you
and your "don't do it!!" and Christina and her multiple "I did it and I
was ill!" messages.
It's a shame really, that asking for suggestions to identity is suddenly
so frowned on, as I've found the /other/ posts in the thread quite
interesting.
> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
> so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
> ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise.
Oh give over. It's often me, and of those times it's almost always been
posted witha very clear "I am not planning on eating them, I'm just
curious what they are". And yet absolutely every time I have had you
and your "don't do it!!" and Christina and her multiple "I did it and I
was ill!" messages.
It's a shame really, that asking for suggestions to identity is suddenly
so frowned on, as I've found the /other/ posts in the thread quite
interesting.
Christina Websell
Jun 15, 2012, 8:44:29 PM6/15/12
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> Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> Oh give over. It's often me, and of those times it's almost always been
> posted witha very clear "I am not planning on eating them, I'm just
> curious what they are". And yet absolutely every time I have had you
> and your "don't do it!!"
and Christina and her multiple "I did it and I
> was ill!" messages.
I take objection to this. I have said it twice only because I thought you
>
> Oh give over. It's often me, and of those times it's almost always been
> posted witha very clear "I am not planning on eating them, I'm just
> curious what they are". And yet absolutely every time I have had you
> and your "don't do it!!"
and Christina and her multiple "I did it and I
> was ill!" messages.
were going to eat something that might hurt you.
F=cking well eat it then!! You have really ticked me off by saying this.
Like Sacha and I are the bad ones by advising caution.
Tina
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 16, 2012, 4:01:38 AM6/16/12
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In article <a41pvo...@mid.individual.net>, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
>so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
>ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise. They don't know
>
>To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
>so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
>any of us personally and they know nothing about the degree of
>expertise assumed. They're warned over and over again that trying to
>ID from photos or descriptions is dangerous and that risk is involved
>to a greater or lesser degree. Argument then ensues as to what the risk
>is, whether the colour of the gills is x, y or z or the stem is thick
>or thin and so forth. Almost invariably the OP comes back with the
>answer that they've seen a picture in a book, a friend has told them,
>their neighbour has eaten something similar, their great aunt's
>gardener used to pick them on dewy mornings etc. The simple answer is,
>if in doubt, don't eat it. If you have to ask whether it's safe, you
>have to accept the risk that it isn't and it isn't right or fair to
>make someone here responsible for your own foolhardiness. I say this
>because the general consensus of opinion from the more experienced on
>urg seems to be that without actually *seeing* the mushroom, in the
>flesh, it is impossible to be 100% positive of what it is.
For the ones rather like field mushrooms, yes. That is why several
of us have said that it is much safer to eat things like the boleti,
where a good verbal description (and even half a clue on behalf of
the reader) IS adequate. You don't need much experience to be able
to understand verbal descriptions, but you do need some.
Actually, asking here is one of the saner things to do, because
most of the advice has been pretty reliable (and similar), most
importantly "Just looking like a field mushroom is not, repeat
NOT, enough - and nor are pictures in books."
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 16, 2012, 5:33:52 AM6/16/12
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is much safer to start with the edible and good fungi that do NOT
look like common mushrooms! I know what to look for to identify
field and horse mushrooms, and it's not the overall appearance.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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Jun 16, 2012, 6:13:01 AM6/16/12
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nm...@cam.ac.uk;961898 Wrote:
> In article a41pvo...@mid.individual.net, Sacha sa...@nowhere.com
> wrote:-
>
> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
>
> so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
>
> ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise. They don't know
> any of us personally and they know nothing about the degree of
> expertise assumed. They're warned over and over again that trying to
> ID from photos or descriptions is dangerous and that risk is involved
> to a greater or lesser degree. Argument then ensues as to what the risk
>
> is, whether the colour of the gills is x, y or z or the stem is thick
> or thin and so forth. Almost invariably the OP comes back with the
> answer that they've seen a picture in a book, a friend has told them,
> their neighbour has eaten something similar, their great aunt's
> gardener used to pick them on dewy mornings etc. The simple answer is,
>
> if in doubt, don't eat it. If you have to ask whether it's safe, you
> have to accept the risk that it isn't and it isn't right or fair to
> make someone here responsible for your own foolhardiness. I say this
> because the general consensus of opinion from the more experienced on
> urg seems to be that without actually *seeing* the mushroom, in the
> flesh, it is impossible to be 100% positive of what it is.-
> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
>
> so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
>
> ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise. They don't know
> any of us personally and they know nothing about the degree of
> expertise assumed. They're warned over and over again that trying to
> ID from photos or descriptions is dangerous and that risk is involved
> to a greater or lesser degree. Argument then ensues as to what the risk
>
> is, whether the colour of the gills is x, y or z or the stem is thick
> or thin and so forth. Almost invariably the OP comes back with the
> answer that they've seen a picture in a book, a friend has told them,
> their neighbour has eaten something similar, their great aunt's
> gardener used to pick them on dewy mornings etc. The simple answer is,
>
> if in doubt, don't eat it. If you have to ask whether it's safe, you
> have to accept the risk that it isn't and it isn't right or fair to
> make someone here responsible for your own foolhardiness. I say this
> because the general consensus of opinion from the more experienced on
> urg seems to be that without actually *seeing* the mushroom, in the
>
> For the ones rather like field mushrooms, yes. That is why several
> of us have said that it is much safer to eat things like the boleti,
> where a good verbal description (and even half a clue on behalf of
> the reader) IS adequate. You don't need much experience to be able
> to understand verbal descriptions, but you do need some.
>
> Actually, asking here is one of the saner things to do, because
> most of the advice has been pretty reliable (and similar), most
> importantly "Just looking like a field mushroom is not, repeat
> NOT, enough - and nor are pictures in books."
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.
It's a shame really that people wont eat a fungi on principle, for there
> For the ones rather like field mushrooms, yes. That is why several
> of us have said that it is much safer to eat things like the boleti,
> where a good verbal description (and even half a clue on behalf of
> the reader) IS adequate. You don't need much experience to be able
> to understand verbal descriptions, but you do need some.
>
> Actually, asking here is one of the saner things to do, because
> most of the advice has been pretty reliable (and similar), most
> importantly "Just looking like a field mushroom is not, repeat
> NOT, enough - and nor are pictures in books."
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.
are some that are superb to eat and not easily confused with poisonous
ones.
Boleti, (avoid any with an orangy-red underside) although some are
inedible such as the peppery bolitus. and the Hedgehog fungus, Hydnum
repandum are easily identifiable and are delicious.
Have a look for courses on mushroom identification, our local college
ran an 8 week evening class done by the local recorder of fungi which
covered everything including using microscopes to identify using spore
shapes, it finished with a full day field walk.
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kay
Jun 16, 2012, 5:52:18 AM6/16/12
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> Sacha sa...@nowhere.com wrote:-
> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
>
> so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
>
> ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise. -
>
> so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
>
So what's the alternative? Refuse to answer questions, not give warnings
about ease of confusion, leave people panicking because to the lay
person every fungus is either honey fungus or deadly?
To answer noname - it still makes sense to give warnings about not
eating, because urg isn't just for the people posting, it's also for the
lurkers, so although the OP may have said clearly they're not planning
to eat the fungus, a lurker may look at the pic and say "oh, that looks
like what I've got, and someone says it's edible so I'll try it".
And it's an important message that it's the fungi which look most
"familiar" - most like supermarket button mushrooms - which are most
likely to be confused with deadly species.
And to diverge completely - I've been in mushroom heaven over the last
few weeks - chanterelle, blewitt, horse mushroom, velvet shank, various
different oyster types, as well as various chinese/japanese ones. Our
supermarket has been upgraded :-)
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vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 16, 2012, 11:34:52 AM6/16/12
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Granity <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
> Have a look for courses on mushroom identification, our local college
> ran an 8 week evening class done by the local recorder of fungi which
> covered everything including using microscopes to identify using spore
> shapes, it finished with a full day field walk.
That sounds really interesting, I'd love to do something like that.
> Have a look for courses on mushroom identification, our local college
> ran an 8 week evening class done by the local recorder of fungi which
> covered everything including using microscopes to identify using spore
> shapes, it finished with a full day field walk.
If you ever see a similar course being run could you point me at the
info for it if it's online - chances are there would be contact details
to investigate other locations for similar.
Emery Davis
Jun 16, 2012, 2:52:11 PM6/16/12
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On 06/16/2012 12:06 AM, Sacha wrote:
> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
> so often.
We just like to talk about mushrooms... ;)
> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
> so often.
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 16, 2012, 2:59:05 PM6/16/12
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In article <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk>,
like bitter foods ....
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Granity <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
>
>It's a shame really that people wont eat a fungi on principle, for there
>are some that are superb to eat and not easily confused with poisonous
>ones.
>
>Boleti, (avoid any with an orangy-red underside) although some are
>inedible such as the peppery bolitus. and the Hedgehog fungus, Hydnum
>repandum are easily identifiable and are delicious.
I tried the latter once, and found it as bitter as gall. I don't
>
>It's a shame really that people wont eat a fungi on principle, for there
>are some that are superb to eat and not easily confused with poisonous
>ones.
>
>Boleti, (avoid any with an orangy-red underside) although some are
>inedible such as the peppery bolitus. and the Hedgehog fungus, Hydnum
>repandum are easily identifiable and are delicious.
like bitter foods ....
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Emery Davis
Jun 16, 2012, 5:50:07 PM6/16/12
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Another 20 minutes or so in the pan, and they're not bitter. Not a
problem with younger examples.
Granity, your advice rules out one of the best of the boletes, Boletus
erythropus. Absolutely crunchy after cooking, it has the further
advantage of being one the worms don't like, so that it's usually clean
inside even if the slugs have been at the outside. It turns a lovely
yellow when cooked, and has a fabulous flavour. (Careful, it is toxic
uncooked though. Word has it that it can be confused with satanas,
although I find them very distinct.)
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Jun 16, 2012, 6:41:55 PM6/16/12
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In article <a44dce...@mid.individual.net>,
(repulsant snozzcombers), but wasn't nice.
But there are large numbers of others I find delicious.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Emery Davis <lae...@asserda.oc.ku> wrote:
>>>
>>> Boleti, (avoid any with an orangy-red underside) although some are
>>> inedible such as the peppery bolitus. and the Hedgehog fungus, Hydnum
>>> repandum are easily identifiable and are delicious.
>>
>> I tried the latter once, and found it as bitter as gall. I don't
>> like bitter foods ....
>>
>If they're older, the water from the first cooking should be thrown out.
> Another 20 minutes or so in the pan, and they're not bitter. Not a
>problem with younger examples.
It was fairly young, and I did that. It wasn't as bad as cardoons
>>>
>>> Boleti, (avoid any with an orangy-red underside) although some are
>>> inedible such as the peppery bolitus. and the Hedgehog fungus, Hydnum
>>> repandum are easily identifiable and are delicious.
>>
>> I tried the latter once, and found it as bitter as gall. I don't
>> like bitter foods ....
>>
>If they're older, the water from the first cooking should be thrown out.
> Another 20 minutes or so in the pan, and they're not bitter. Not a
>problem with younger examples.
(repulsant snozzcombers), but wasn't nice.
But there are large numbers of others I find delicious.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Dave Liquorice
Jun 16, 2012, 7:20:16 PM6/16/12
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On 16 Jun 2012 15:34:52 GMT, vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk wrote:
>> Have a look for courses on mushroom identification, our local
college
>> ran an 8 week evening class done by the local recorder of fungi
...
>> Have a look for courses on mushroom identification, our local
college
>> ran an 8 week evening class done by the local recorder of fungi
>
> That sounds really interesting, I'd love to do something like that.
> If you ever see a similar course being run could you point me at the
> info for it if it's online - chances are there would be contact details
> to investigate other locations for similar.
Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
> That sounds really interesting, I'd love to do something like that.
> If you ever see a similar course being run could you point me at the
> info for it if it's online - chances are there would be contact details
> to investigate other locations for similar.
from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
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Dave.
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Dave Liquorice <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote:
> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
> various centres are running that year.
Nope. Used to at my mum's,. not something I've seen here. Tbh, I'd
> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
> various centres are running that year.
be more likely to find something like that via work.
> Fungi identfication is
> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
watching a vid of my friend doing a flamenco demonstration!
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Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
> Which did you choose ...
Burlesque.
>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
> Which did you choose ...
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Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
>>>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
>>>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>>>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
>>> Which did you choose ...
>> Burlesque.
> Cool!!!!!!!!!
Slightly chilly.
>>>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
>>>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
>>>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>>>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
>>> Which did you choose ...
>> Burlesque.
> Cool!!!!!!!!!
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Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
>>>>>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
>>>>>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>>>>>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
>>>>> Which did you choose ...
>>>> Burlesque.
>>> Cool!!!!!!!!!
>> Slightly chilly.
> So, not too many clothes then?
Not generally, by the end.
>>>>>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every year
>>>>>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that the
>>>>>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>>>>>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone Walling.
>>>>> Which did you choose ...
>>>> Burlesque.
>>> Cool!!!!!!!!!
>> Slightly chilly.
> So, not too many clothes then?
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Jun 17, 2012, 6:52:32 PM6/17/12
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:56:24 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every
year
>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that
the
>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone
Walling.
>
> Which did you choose ...
Well I haven't the legs for Flamenco or the flexibilty for
>> Don't you get an Adult Education leaflet through the door every
year
>> from the local council? We do and it lists all the courses that
the
>> various centres are running that year. Fungi identfication is
>> normally in there, alongside Flamenco Dancing and Drystone
Walling.
>
> Which did you choose ...
Burlesque...
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> On 2012-06-16 01:01:39 +0100, <vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> said:
>
>> Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
>> Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> To be frank, I wonder, sometimes, why we bother to discuss this on here
>>> so often. Over and over again we have people who come in asking for an
>>> ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise.
>>
>> Oh give over. It's often me, and of those times it's almost always been
>>> ID on fungi. I think them to be exceedingly unwise.
>>
>> posted witha very clear "I am not planning on eating them, I'm just
>> curious what they are". And yet absolutely every time I have had you
>> and your "don't do it!!" and Christina and her multiple "I did it and I
>> was ill!" messages.
>>
>> It's a shame really, that asking for suggestions to identity is suddenly
>> so frowned on, as I've found the /other/ posts in the thread quite
>> interesting.
>
> It's not all about you, Vicky. Over time, we've had several people asking
> that question and I think it's a very dangerous way to go about
> identifying fungi. You can go on asking, if you wish and I - and others -
> can go on saying we think this is a dangerous practice.
> --
Interestingly, today, I noticed the same type of mushroom that made me ill
has appeared in exactly the same place in my garden. One only, it's always
just the one - 3 or 4 inches across, white on top, looks exactly like a safe
one. Will I eat it? Nope. It's been chewed a bit by something, but that
something will never be me!
If there are mushroom experts here, I could pull it up see what colour the
gills are and whether it has a frillie thing on the stem - but I don't think
I would have eaten it before if the gills hadn't been brown which may have
lulled me into a sense of false security.
If it helps, underneath poplar trees, shady garden.
Tina
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Jun 18, 2012, 12:41:59 PM6/18/12
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In article <a491eh...@mid.individual.net>,
make a reasonable stab at it. But it would help a lot if you do
the following, and preferably take pictures of all aspects as you
do this:
1) Get it out intact, right down to the base, and then check the
following three points (of which more than one may be the case).
2) Check whether it has a ring (i.e. a thin membrane joining
the cap to high up on the stem).
3) Check whether it has a volva (i.e. a thin membrane joining
the cap to the base of the stem).
4) Check whether it has any other trace of a thin membrane
covering it.
5) Cut it in half, vertically, as carefully as possible, and
note if its gills run down the stem, join the stem or are free
of the stem.
6) Take measurements of cap width and total height, and preferably
cap and stem thickness.
7) Break the cap and stem of one half apart, carefully, and check
whether any of the gills remain attached to the cap.
8) Separate one half cap into two, carefully, and place the
quarters gill side down on some blackish paper and some white paper.
9) After a day or so, spores should have fallen on the paper,
and report the gill colour and spore colour.
I think that's all, without a field microscope :-)
You don't need to do all of that to identify a field mushroom,
but you do need to do it all to identify 'mushroom-like' fungi
even approximately. See why they are tricky?
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Christina Websell <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Interestingly, today, I noticed the same type of mushroom that made me ill
>has appeared in exactly the same place in my garden. One only, it's always
>just the one - 3 or 4 inches across, white on top, looks exactly like a safe
>one. Will I eat it? Nope. It's been chewed a bit by something, but that
>something will never be me!
>If there are mushroom experts here, I could pull it up see what colour the
>gills are and whether it has a frillie thing on the stem - but I don't think
>I would have eaten it before if the gills hadn't been brown which may have
>lulled me into a sense of false security.
>If it helps, underneath poplar trees, shady garden.
Well, I am no expert, but I am one of the people who could probably
>
>Interestingly, today, I noticed the same type of mushroom that made me ill
>has appeared in exactly the same place in my garden. One only, it's always
>just the one - 3 or 4 inches across, white on top, looks exactly like a safe
>one. Will I eat it? Nope. It's been chewed a bit by something, but that
>something will never be me!
>If there are mushroom experts here, I could pull it up see what colour the
>gills are and whether it has a frillie thing on the stem - but I don't think
>I would have eaten it before if the gills hadn't been brown which may have
>lulled me into a sense of false security.
>If it helps, underneath poplar trees, shady garden.
make a reasonable stab at it. But it would help a lot if you do
the following, and preferably take pictures of all aspects as you
do this:
1) Get it out intact, right down to the base, and then check the
following three points (of which more than one may be the case).
2) Check whether it has a ring (i.e. a thin membrane joining
the cap to high up on the stem).
3) Check whether it has a volva (i.e. a thin membrane joining
the cap to the base of the stem).
4) Check whether it has any other trace of a thin membrane
covering it.
5) Cut it in half, vertically, as carefully as possible, and
note if its gills run down the stem, join the stem or are free
of the stem.
6) Take measurements of cap width and total height, and preferably
cap and stem thickness.
7) Break the cap and stem of one half apart, carefully, and check
whether any of the gills remain attached to the cap.
8) Separate one half cap into two, carefully, and place the
quarters gill side down on some blackish paper and some white paper.
9) After a day or so, spores should have fallen on the paper,
and report the gill colour and spore colour.
I think that's all, without a field microscope :-)
You don't need to do all of that to identify a field mushroom,
but you do need to do it all to identify 'mushroom-like' fungi
even approximately. See why they are tricky?
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Ophelia
Jun 18, 2012, 12:40:58 PM6/18/12
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"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote in message
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kay
Jun 19, 2012, 7:11:50 AM6/19/12
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Christina Websell;962159 Wrote:
>
>
> Interestingly, today, I noticed the same type of mushroom that made me
> ill
> has appeared in exactly the same place in my garden. One only, it's
> always
> just the one - 3 or 4 inches across, white on top, looks exactly like a
> safe
> one. Will I eat it? Nope. It's been chewed a bit by something, but
> that
> something will never be me!
> If there are mushroom experts here, I could pull it up see what colour
> the
> gills are and whether it has a frillie thing on the stem - but I don't
> think
> I would have eaten it before if the gills hadn't been brown which may
> have
> lulled me into a sense of false security.
> If it helps, underneath poplar trees, shady garden.
>
> Tina
ill.
--
kay
Christina Websell
Jun 19, 2012, 12:13:07 PM6/19/12
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"kay" <kay.a...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
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their food from the ratties, so it will be around dusk, and then try and
describe it on here. I'll start a new thread called My poisonous mushroom
when I have it in front of me otherwise it might get lost in this thread.
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 19, 2012, 12:36:40 PM6/19/12
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In article <a4bmoo...@mid.individual.net>,
presence of a 'frilly thing' on the stem won't help :-(
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Christina Websell <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
>"kay" <kay.a...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:kay.a...@gardenbanter.co.uk...
>>
>"kay" <kay.a...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:kay.a...@gardenbanter.co.uk...
>>
>>> If there are mushroom experts here, I could pull it up see what colour
>>> the
>>> gills are and whether it has a frillie thing on the stem - ...
>>> the
>>
>> Please do - it would be interesting to know what it was that made you so
>> ill.
But please try to follow my checklist - mere gill colour and the
>> Please do - it would be interesting to know what it was that made you so
>> ill.
presence of a 'frilly thing' on the stem won't help :-(
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Christina Websell
Jun 19, 2012, 1:02:02 PM6/19/12
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Let's see if anyone knows what it is.
It certainly made me ill by looking so safe.
Let's see what you all think it might be later.
Tom
Jun 20, 2012, 5:35:19 AM6/20/12
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"Christina Websell" <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in
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> I do know a field mushroom when I see one, but anything else is too
> risky. Supermarket mushrooms R me now. Never again. :-(
I doubt it, based on personal study and the statistics
of fungus poisioning.
So-called "field mushrooms" are frequently confused with
lethal species. Many others are much more simply and accurately
identified.
news:a3v51t...@mid.individual.net:
> I do know a field mushroom when I see one, but anything else is too
> risky. Supermarket mushrooms R me now. Never again. :-(
I doubt it, based on personal study and the statistics
of fungus poisioning.
So-called "field mushrooms" are frequently confused with
lethal species. Many others are much more simply and accurately
identified.
Tom
Jun 20, 2012, 5:42:45 AM6/20/12
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<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in
news:a3v5h0...@mid.individual.net:
> nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
>> They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
>> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
>> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
>> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
>> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
>> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
>> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
>
> So what's the key to the difference between the two?
Ah, an easy question to answer: most (but not all)
agaricus/psalliota are perfectly edible and delicious.
Most (but not all) amanita are very dangerous.
Distinguishing between them requires significant
expertise and, given the consequences, nobody in
their right mind would give sufficient information
for you to believe that you could distinguish them
before eating them. And you would be wise to ignore
any simple tests/descriptions.
If you are still interested, get *several* highly
regarded books (e.g. Philips) and attend a local
fungi identification course.
> I hadn't realised amanita were very similar to the common. I'm
> guessing you're specifically thinking of the death cap? And
> from the picture here I'm guessing the differences are the gill
> colour is white/pale, and stem bag?
See above.
news:a3v5h0...@mid.individual.net:
> nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
>> They are almost certainly Agaricus/Psalliota (i.e. common
>> mushrooms), but one of the key rules of picking those is
>> not to pick them until they have started to open and their
>> gills are a very definite pinkish brown. The chances of
>> including an Amanita are very low, but the cost of doing
>> so is vast. And, yes, you CAN get a single Amanita growing
>> amoung a mass of Agaricus.
>
> So what's the key to the difference between the two?
Ah, an easy question to answer: most (but not all)
agaricus/psalliota are perfectly edible and delicious.
Most (but not all) amanita are very dangerous.
Distinguishing between them requires significant
expertise and, given the consequences, nobody in
their right mind would give sufficient information
for you to believe that you could distinguish them
before eating them. And you would be wise to ignore
any simple tests/descriptions.
If you are still interested, get *several* highly
regarded books (e.g. Philips) and attend a local
fungi identification course.
> I hadn't realised amanita were very similar to the common. I'm
> guessing you're specifically thinking of the death cap? And
> from the picture here I'm guessing the differences are the gill
> colour is white/pale, and stem bag?
See above.
Tom
Jun 20, 2012, 5:47:50 AM6/20/12
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<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in
news:a420bh...@mid.individual.net:
> nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
>> To a naive person, the fungus that grew in my garden that I
>> couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
>> field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
>> whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
>> I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
>> (though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
>> wasn't an Agaricus, even if I couldn't tell what it was.
>
> Blimey, they do look similar looking at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebeloma I /have/ grown plain common
> mushrooms from a kit before (and I have one still /trying/ to grow in
> the bathroom, but it's really really not having it!!), but there isn't
> much risk going on there. :-}
Those pictures and description aren't sufficient for you
to be able to identify species accurately. Don't forget
that anyone can create/edit wackypedia pages, and there
is a whole sub-industry devoted to "sanitising" entries.
Is wackypedia a suitable basis for making life-criticla
decisions?
news:a420bh...@mid.individual.net:
> nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
>> To a naive person, the fungus that grew in my garden that I
>> couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
>> field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
>> whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
>> I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
>> (though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
>> wasn't an Agaricus, even if I couldn't tell what it was.
>
> Blimey, they do look similar looking at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebeloma I /have/ grown plain common
> mushrooms from a kit before (and I have one still /trying/ to grow in
> the bathroom, but it's really really not having it!!), but there isn't
> much risk going on there. :-}
Those pictures and description aren't sufficient for you
to be able to identify species accurately. Don't forget
that anyone can create/edit wackypedia pages, and there
is a whole sub-industry devoted to "sanitising" entries.
Is wackypedia a suitable basis for making life-criticla
decisions?
Christina Websell
Jun 21, 2012, 8:07:01 PM6/21/12
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"Tom" <tgg...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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I made a bad decision once, never again.
Granity
Jun 22, 2012, 3:33:58 AM6/22/12
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> news:XnsA0786DD4E20DAtg...@81.171.92.222...-
> -
> nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:-
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebeloma) I /have/ grown plain common
just make sure you can identify the seriously poisonous ones such as the
Aminitas.
Don't forget, that the Agaricus xanthodermus, the yellow stainer
mushroom can cause tummy upsets.
Both the Horse Mushroom and Yellow Stainer ‘bruise’ yellow. But the
Yellow Stainer has a stronger chromium yellow once bruised. If you rub
the cap with your thumb, there will be a very noticeable colour change.
A good test is at the base. Take a knife to the bottom of the stem, the
base is more bulbous than the others, and cut in half, if the colour
changes to a vivid yellow, then you’ve got a Yellow Stainer. (this is
why you should always pull up a few of the specimens so that you can
look at the stem base as it's an essential part of the identification
process) Horse and Field mushrooms do not stain at the base like
this.
http://tinyurl.com/bllam54
http://tinyurl.com/bsgm9bt
--
Granity
> -
> nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:-
> To a naive person, the fungus that grew in my garden that I
> couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
> field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
> whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
> I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
> (though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
> wasn't an Agaricus, even if I couldn't tell what it was.-
> couldn't identify might have been taken for a horse or even
> field mushroom. It was a suitable shape, with suitable gills,
> whitish and the gills went pinkish brown as it matured. But
> I think that it was a Hebeloma, all of which are poisonous
> (though not lethal). I knew enough to be damn sure that it
>
> Blimey, they do look similar looking at
> 'Hebeloma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
> Blimey, they do look similar looking at
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebeloma) I /have/ grown plain common
> mushrooms from a kit before (and I have one still /trying/ to grow in
> the bathroom, but it's really really not having it!!), but there isn't
> much risk going on there. :-}-
> the bathroom, but it's really really not having it!!), but there isn't
>
> Those pictures and description aren't sufficient for you
> to be able to identify species accurately. Don't forget
> that anyone can create/edit wackypedia pages, and there
> is a whole sub-industry devoted to "sanitising" entries.
>
> Is wackypedia a suitable basis for making life-criticla
> decisions-
> Those pictures and description aren't sufficient for you
> to be able to identify species accurately. Don't forget
> that anyone can create/edit wackypedia pages, and there
> is a whole sub-industry devoted to "sanitising" entries.
>
> Is wackypedia a suitable basis for making life-criticla
>
> No and neither was my mushroom book.
> I made a bad decision once, never again.
Don't give up, it happens to most wild mushroom foragers occasionally,
> No and neither was my mushroom book.
> I made a bad decision once, never again.
just make sure you can identify the seriously poisonous ones such as the
Aminitas.
Don't forget, that the Agaricus xanthodermus, the yellow stainer
mushroom can cause tummy upsets.
Both the Horse Mushroom and Yellow Stainer ‘bruise’ yellow. But the
Yellow Stainer has a stronger chromium yellow once bruised. If you rub
the cap with your thumb, there will be a very noticeable colour change.
A good test is at the base. Take a knife to the bottom of the stem, the
base is more bulbous than the others, and cut in half, if the colour
changes to a vivid yellow, then you’ve got a Yellow Stainer. (this is
why you should always pull up a few of the specimens so that you can
look at the stem base as it's an essential part of the identification
process) Horse and Field mushrooms do not stain at the base like
this.
http://tinyurl.com/bllam54
http://tinyurl.com/bsgm9bt
--
Granity
nm...@cam.ac.uk
Jun 22, 2012, 6:13:34 AM6/22/12
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In article <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk>,
Granity <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
Frankly, unless she is prepared to take advice from the informed,
she is better giving up. And that advice is uniformly that it is
CRITICAL to go out at least a couple of times with someone who
knows a reasonable amount to learn what the various characteristics
look like in real life. It also is that pictures are NOT ENOUGH,
and it is essential to learn the basics of descriptions, and to
use pictures merely as a search aid.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Granity <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
>Christina Websell;962568 Wrote:
>>
>> Is wackypedia a suitable basis for making life-criticla
>> decisions-
>>
>> No and neither was my mushroom book.
>> I made a bad decision once, never again.
>
>Don't give up, it happens to most wild mushroom foragers occasionally,
>just make sure you can identify the seriously poisonous ones such as the
>Aminitas.
This may come across offensively, but I need to be explicit.
>>
>> Is wackypedia a suitable basis for making life-criticla
>> decisions-
>>
>> No and neither was my mushroom book.
>> I made a bad decision once, never again.
>
>Don't give up, it happens to most wild mushroom foragers occasionally,
>just make sure you can identify the seriously poisonous ones such as the
>Aminitas.
Frankly, unless she is prepared to take advice from the informed,
she is better giving up. And that advice is uniformly that it is
CRITICAL to go out at least a couple of times with someone who
knows a reasonable amount to learn what the various characteristics
look like in real life. It also is that pictures are NOT ENOUGH,
and it is essential to learn the basics of descriptions, and to
use pictures merely as a search aid.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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