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Anne Taylor

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Sep 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/25/98
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Hi all,

Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
Sycamore. At various times over the next year we will be removing or
trimming at least one of each of these, and as we haven't got room to store
all of the firewood I wondered which I should keep. Also, how long should I
keep the wood before using it?

MTIA

Anne


Morley

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Anne Taylor wrote in message <6ufpfv$33s$1...@mrnews.mro.dec.com>...

>Hi all,
>
>Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
>firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
>Sycamore. <snip>Also, how long should I

>keep the wood before using it?
>
>MTIA
>
>Anne

Apple gives a lovely perfume and Ash is one of the most prized, or so I
understand. I don't know about any of the others. If the 'trimmings' are
of a reasonable size, a wood-turner might be glad of them all but especially
the Sycamore. I'd be inclined to let them dry out for a season before using
them or you'll just get a lot of smoke from the green wood. Morley

Nick Maclaren

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In article <906740850.5578.1...@news.demon.co.uk>, "Morley" <fa...@swhl.nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:
|>
|> Anne Taylor wrote in message <6ufpfv$33s$1...@mrnews.mro.dec.com>...
|> >
|> >Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
|> >firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
|> >Sycamore. <snip>Also, how long should I keep the wood before using it?
|>
|> Apple gives a lovely perfume and Ash is one of the most prized, or so I
|> understand. I don't know about any of the others. If the 'trimmings' are
|> of a reasonable size, a wood-turner might be glad of them all but especially
|> the Sycamore. I'd be inclined to let them dry out for a season before using
|> them or you'll just get a lot of smoke from the green wood. Morley

Both elder and laurel burn well but smell bad, especially when green,
and are unlikely to interest wood turners. Elder is also a 'pulp'
wood until it is quite thick.


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Nick Maclaren,
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Aonghas P MacKenzie

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> Hi all,

> Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
> firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and

> Sycamore. At various times over the next year we will be removing or
> trimming at least one of each of these, and as we haven't got room to store

> all of the firewood I wondered which I should keep. Also, how long should I


> keep the wood before using it?

> MTIA

> Anne

Largish bits of apple and sycamore can be quite valuable as
hardwood, as can good lengths of ash. If you coppice the ash you can
sell the resulting straight growth for sticks and staves. Scout Shop
might be a good place to approach.
Apple burns well and fragrantly when seasoned. It also lasts well.
Lovely wood for carving and turning.
Sycamore is not so good unless very dry, and doesn't last so well as apple.
Ash burns hot and fast. Laurel and elder are OK - there aren't many
hardwoods which are not.
--
Aonghas Mackenzie


Richard Lucas

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> Hi all,

> Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
> firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
> Sycamore. At various times over the next year we will be removing or
> trimming at least one of each of these, and as we haven't got room to store
> all of the firewood I wondered which I should keep. Also, how long should I
> keep the wood before using it?

If I remember my Scout Leader training properly, Ash is the best
firewood of all, old or new. Apple smells glorious when burnt.
Hawthorn is good too. Elder isn't the best, the pith makes it spit,
IIRC. I would have thought Laurel and Sycamore are OK, but need
stacked to dry, like the Apple and Hawthorn, and unlike the Ash which
you can cut and burn immediately.

--
Cheers
Richard


Breckland

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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:58:20 +0100, "Anne Taylor"
<anniec...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
>firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
>Sycamore. At various times over the next year we will be removing or
>trimming at least one of each of these, and as we haven't got room to store
>all of the firewood I wondered which I should keep. Also, how long should I
>keep the wood before using it?
>

>MTIA
>
>Anne
>
>
>I offer the following poem...... (Cut out of a newspaper )

Logs to burn, logs to burn
Logs to save the coal a turn
Here;s a word to make you wise
When you hear the woodmans cries
Never heed his usual tale
That he has good logs for sale.
Just read these lines and really learn
The proper kind of logs to burn.
Oak logs will warm you well
If they're old and dry
Larch logs of pinewood smell
But the sparks will fly.
Beech logs for Christmas time
Yew logs heat well.
Scotch logs it is a crime
for anyone to sell !!
Birch logs will burn too fast
Chestnut scarce at all,
Hawthorn logs are good to last
If cut in the fall.
Holly logs will burn like wax
You should burn them green
Elm logs like smouldering flax
No flame to be seen.
Pear logs and apple logs
they will scent your room.
Cherry logs across the dogs
Smell like flowers in bloom.
But ash logs all smooth and grey
Burn them green or old
Buy up all that come your way
They're worth their weight in gold.

Nice one eh ?
David.


10635...@compuserve.com

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>On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:58:20 +0100, "Anne Taylor"
><anniec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
>>firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
>>Sycamore. At various times over the next year we will be removing or
>>trimming at least one of each of these, and as we haven't got room to store
>>all of the firewood I wondered which I should keep. Also, how long should I
>>keep the wood before using it?
>>
>>MTIA
>>
>>Anne
>>
LOGS TO BURN

Beech-wood fires burn bright and clear
If the logs are kept a year:
Store your Beech for Christmastide
With new-cut Holly laid beside.
Chestnut's only good, they say,
If for years 'tis stored away;
Birch and Fir-wood burn too fast,
Blaze too bright and do not last;
Flames from Larch will shoot up high,
Dangerously the sparks will fly.

But Ashwood green and Ashwood brown
Are fit for a Queen with a golden crown.

Oaken logs, if dry and old,
Keep away the winter's cold;
Poplar gives a bitter smoke,
Fills your eyes and makes you choke;
Elm-wood burns like churchyard mould,
E'en the very flames are cold.
Hawthorn bakes the sweetest bread -
so it is in Ireland said;
Apple-wood will scent the room,
Pear-wood smells like flowers in bloom,

But Ash-wood wet and Ash-wood dry
A King may warm his slippers by.

I don't know who wrote this; I have it sitting on my desk - and I
don't have a single fireplace in the house on which I could burn wood!


Keith Goodway

Aonghas P MacKenzie

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Sep 27, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/27/98
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The message <360d4ae1...@news.compuserve.com>
from 10635...@compuserve.com contains these words:

/snip/


> I don't know who wrote this; I have it sitting on my desk - and I
> don't have a single fireplace in the house on which I could burn wood!


> Keith Goodway

The only thing I would take issue with is elm: a marvellous wood for
burning, seasoned or unseasoned.

Unseasoned, it lasts and lasts and lasts, though necessarily
releasing heat slowly.

Seasoned, it burns faster, hotter, and the smoke is very pleasant in
moderation. It goes well in enclosed stoves. Unfortunately, 'Dutch'
elm disease has as good as finished good supplies of the wood.

--
Aonghas Mackenzie


paulw...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <360d4ae1...@news.compuserve.com>,

10635...@compuserve.com wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:58:20 +0100, "Anne Taylor"
> ><anniec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
> >>firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
> >>Sycamore. At various times over the next year we will be removing or
> >>trimming at least one of each of these, and as we haven't got room to store
> >>all of the firewood I wondered which I should keep. Also, how long should I
> >>keep the wood before using it?
<<nice poem snipped>>
In the case of the slow growers (Apple and Hawthorn) they have some
value (or at least appeal) to wood-workers.

Apple if very hard, with a fine grain, and hawthorn is the classic walking
stick material. You might care to find a craftsman (or craft club) and
either

have something made for yourself (rather nice, to have something like that)
My local church had a landmark Cedar, which got old and dangerous. It now
has a Cedar wood chest for hymn books...

Sell the wood for something more creative than fire. (you won't get rich)

I hate to see (or hear of) good timber being burnt.

BugBear.


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Martin Tom Brown

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Sep 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM9/28/98
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On Friday, in article <6ufpfv$33s$1...@mrnews.mro.dec.com>
anniec...@hotmail.com "Anne Taylor" wrote:

> Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
> firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel

Seasoned apple and pear wood is well regarded by model makers and
wood carvers. It takes detail wonderfully and will carve like soap.

Regards,
--
Martin Brown <mar...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> __ CIS: 71651,470
Scientific Software Consultancy /^,,)__/


Mark Vincent Norwood

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In article <906974...@nezumi.demon.co.uk>, Martin Tom Brown
<Mar...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> writes

>Seasoned apple and pear wood is well regarded by model makers and
>wood carvers. It takes detail wonderfully and will carve like soap.
>
But don't try carving sapient pearwood ;o)
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Alan J Holmes

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In article <906974...@nezumi.demon.co.uk>,

Martin Tom Brown <Mar...@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On Friday, in article <6ufpfv$33s$1...@mrnews.mro.dec.com>
> anniec...@hotmail.com "Anne Taylor" wrote:

>> Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best
>> firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel

>Seasoned apple and pear wood is well regarded by model makers and

>wood carvers. It takes detail wonderfully and will carve like soap.

A couple of years ago, I had a large quantity of apple and pear
which was fairly well seasoned, I went round to all the local
colleges both daytime and evenings, not a soul was interested,
eventually I advertised it on the net, and got a reply, from a man
who lives just 3 doors away!(:-)

Isn't the net wonderful!

--
Alan G4CRW, Ex FAA, RNARS and others!
Here I sit, giving the world the benefit of my words of wit and wisdom!
What an exciting life I lead!(:-)


Alan J Holmes

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In article <6unlp3$r8h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

>> >On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:58:20 +0100, "Anne Taylor"

>> ><anniec...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >>Could I possibly have some advice on which trees/shrubs provide the best

>> >>firewood? In our garden we have Apple, Ash, Elder, Hawthorn, Laurel and
>> >>Sycamore. At various times over the next year we will be removing or
>> >>trimming at least one of each of these, and as we haven't got room to store
>> >>all of the firewood I wondered which I should keep. Also, how long should I
>> >>keep the wood before using it?
><<nice poem snipped>>
>In the case of the slow growers (Apple and Hawthorn) they have some
>value (or at least appeal) to wood-workers.

>Apple if very hard, with a fine grain, and hawthorn is the classic walking
>stick material. You might care to find a craftsman (or craft club) and
>either

>have something made for yourself (rather nice, to have something like that)
>My local church had a landmark Cedar, which got old and dangerous. It now
>has a Cedar wood chest for hymn books...

>Sell the wood for something more creative than fire. (you won't get rich)

>I hate to see (or hear of) good timber being burnt.

Me too, but!

I have a large number of trees which need 'servicing' from time
to time, and trying to get rid of timber, other than taking it to
the local tip and filling a hole in the ground, is not easy.

I'm currently trying to dispose of a Laurel which has a trunk
about 18 inches in diam, and lots of branches about 8 inches in
diam, I've been passing it on to a neighbour who is burning logs,
but is it suitable fo anything else?

Aonghas P MacKenzie

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The message <6ut16n$pm6$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>
from xxx...@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) contains these words:

/snip/


> I'm currently trying to dispose of a Laurel which has a trunk
> about 18 inches in diam, and lots of branches about 8 inches in
> diam, I've been passing it on to a neighbour who is burning logs,
> but is it suitable fo anything else?

> --
> Alan G4CRW, Ex FAA, RNARS and others!

Not that I know of. I could do with a big bole of bird cherry, gean
or any other cherry, though.

I'm restoring a flintlock New England rifle and the wooden bit was
eaten by termites. (allegedly)

--
Aonghas Mackenzie


paulw...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <6ut16n$pm6$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>,

xxx...@brunel.ac.uk (Alan J Holmes) wrote:
> In article <6unlp3$r8h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> <paulw...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> >In article <360d4ae1...@news.compuserve.com>,
> > 10635...@compuserve.com wrote:
>
> >> >On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:58:20 +0100, "Anne Taylor"
> >> ><anniec...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<<how do I burn trees>>
<<don't burn tree>>
>
> Me too, but!
>
<<snip>>

> I'm currently trying to dispose of a Laurel which has a trunk
> about 18 inches in diam, and lots of branches about 8 inches in
> diam, I've been passing it on to a neighbour who is burning logs,
> but is it suitable fo anything else?

I also had some laurel (a whole, large tree). I could not find any
reference to it as a "working" timber, so I'm afraid I had to put
it on the fire.

BugBear.

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Nick Upson

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Oct 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/2/98
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In a previous article Alan J Holmes wrote:
> I have a large number of trees which need 'servicing' from time
> to time, and trying to get rid of timber, other than taking it to
> the local tip and filling a hole in the ground, is not easy.
>
> I'm currently trying to dispose of a Laurel which has a trunk
> about 18 inches in diam, and lots of branches about 8 inches in
> diam, I've been passing it on to a neighbour who is burning logs,
> but is it suitable fo anything else?

if you are reasonably local (or I get it picked up) I could use
the trunk and the thick branches.

Nick
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blue...@ac.net

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In article <199809270...@zetnet.co.uk>,

Aonghas P MacKenzie <an.b...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> The message <360d4ae1...@news.compuserve.com>
> from 10635...@compuserve.com contains these words:
>
> /snip/

> > I don't know who wrote this; I have it sitting on my desk - and I
> > don't have a single fireplace in the house on which I could burn wood!
>
> > Keith Goodway
>
> The only thing I would take issue with is elm: a marvellous wood for
> burning, seasoned or unseasoned.
>
> Unseasoned, it lasts and lasts and lasts, though necessarily
> releasing heat slowly.
>
> Seasoned, it burns faster, hotter, and the smoke is very pleasant in
> moderation. It goes well in enclosed stoves. Unfortunately, 'Dutch'
> elm disease has as good as finished good supplies of the wood.
>
> --
> Aonghas Mackenzie
>
> Ash wood wet, Ash wood dry, a king shall warm his slippers by. anonymous.
Blue.

Aonghas P MacKenzie

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> Ash wood wet, Ash wood dry, a king shall warm his slippers by. anonymous.
> Blue.

We've burnt that one already.
--
Aonghas Mackenzie
an.b...@zetnet.co.uk


Louise Cooper

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In article <199810091...@zetnet.co.uk>, Aonghas P MacKenzie
<an.b...@zetnet.co.uk> writes

>The message <6vk07d$qu7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
> from blue...@ac.net contains these words:
>
>> Ash wood wet, Ash wood dry, a king shall warm his slippers by. anonymous.
>> Blue.
>
> We've burnt that one already.
At thew risk of coming in 'orribly late, when everyone else has got fed
up with this thread (? I've been offline for the past couple of weeks
and am only just starting to catch up...) believe it or not, I've just
discovered that buddleia wood makes wonderful fires! Just as well - the
garden of my new home (Cornwall) was COMPLETELY overgrown by the stuff!
Now - firewood for the winter, whoopee!

Here's another little log saying - "One can't, two won't, three might,
four will; but it takes five to make a fire."
--
Louise Cooper

Alan Gould

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In article <0FHe1DAm...@sketchbook.demon.co.uk>, Louise Cooper
<Lou...@sketchbook.demon.co.uk> writes
snip....

>>> Ash wood wet, Ash wood dry, a king shall warm his slippers by. anonymous.
>>> Blue.
>>
>> We've burnt that one already.
>At thew risk of coming in 'orribly late, when everyone else has got fed
>up with this thread (? I've been offline for the past couple of weeks
>and am only just starting to catch up...) believe it or not, I've just
>discovered that buddleia wood makes wonderful fires! Just as well - the
>garden of my new home (Cornwall) was COMPLETELY overgrown by the stuff!
>Now - firewood for the winter, whoopee!
>
>Here's another little log saying - "One can't, two won't, three might,
>four will; but it takes five to make a fire."

I'll come in with a late one too. We have a lot of poplar trees on our
place. Poplars used to serve the same role as the dreaded Leylandii
serve, but they are a bit unfashionable now. Anyway, because we have the
trees, we have to pollard them and we have the wood for firing or pole
work etc. Poplar is not good firewood, but we have found that it is at
its best about a year after cutting. We burn a lot of it a bit fresher
in the Rayburn, where its slower rate is a benefit, especially in warmer
weather. On an open fire it needs to be drier but not too much so or the
wood begins to go crumbly.
--
Alan and Joan Gould

david croft

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Forgive the ignorance alan,but what does pollard mean.the only one i have
heard of goes with sue :-).

Alan Gould

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In article <6vtg99$mr1$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>, david croft
<da...@sirius47.freeserve.co.uk> writes

>
>Forgive the ignorance alan,but what does pollard mean.the only one i have
>heard of goes with sue :-).

From Chambers English Dictionary:

pollard:
n. a tree having the whole crown cut off, leaving it to send out new
branches from the top of the stem: a hornless animal of a horned kind:
fine bran; flour or meal containing it; a base foreign coin bearing a
head (obs)
adj. pollarded, awnless, bald
v.t. to make a pollard of

I was referring to tree cutting of course. Some people use the word
'coppice' in that context but a coppice is more accurately a wood or a
line of trees which have been pollarded.

Who is sue?
--
Alan Gould

david croft

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sue pollard played peggy in the comedy about a holiday camp, called hi de
hi.Thanks for the explanation


Aonghas P MacKenzie

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The message <PYGqiLBe...@agolincs.demon.co.uk>
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> I was referring to tree cutting of course. Some people use the word
> 'coppice' in that context but a coppice is more accurately a wood or a
> line of trees which have been pollarded.

> Who is sue?
> --
> Alan Gould

Coppice is a wood or spinney in which the wood has been cut down to
stumps and allowed to sprout from there.

The verb 'pollard' is an old illiteracy: the verb is 'to poll.' The
word 'Pollard' can only be a noun, as in dotard, communard etc.

--
Aonghas Mackenzie
an.b...@zetnet.co.uk


Stuart Grant

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So avenues of pollarded limes are in fact polled limes?
I wonder what their opinion was.
Stuart Grant


Marianne Ahrne

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Aonghas P MacKenzie wrote:
>
>>
> Coppice is a wood or spinney in which the wood has been cut down to
> stumps and allowed to sprout from there.
>
> The verb 'pollard' is an old illiteracy: the verb is 'to poll.' The
> word 'Pollard' can only be a noun, as in dotard, communard etc.
>
As the verb 'pollard' has been in use since 1670, I think we have
to accept it. Do you use 'nadder' for 'adder', as well, another
old illiteracy?

Marianne Ahrne
Uppsala, Sweden

Alan Gould

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In article <199810132...@zetnet.co.uk>, Aonghas P MacKenzie
<an.b...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
snip....

> Coppice is a wood or spinney in which the wood has been cut down to
>stumps and allowed to sprout from there.
>
> The verb 'pollard' is an old illiteracy: the verb is 'to poll.' The
>word 'Pollard' can only be a noun, as in dotard, communard etc.
>
I can only suggest that you inform Chambers Dictionary of their error.
They give: pollard - v.t.(verb transitive) - to make a pollard of
--
Alan Gould

Joan

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On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:44:30 +0100, Alan Gould
<al...@agolincs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <6vtg99$mr1$1...@newsreader1.core.theplanet.net>, david croft
><da...@sirius47.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>
>>Forgive the ignorance alan,but what does pollard mean.the only one i have
>>heard of goes with sue :-).
>
>From Chambers English Dictionary:
>
>pollard:
>n. a tree having the whole crown cut off, leaving it to send out new
>branches from the top of the stem: a hornless animal of a horned kind:
>fine bran; flour or meal containing it; a base foreign coin bearing a
>head (obs)
>adj. pollarded, awnless, bald

>v.t. to make a pollard of

>
>I was referring to tree cutting of course. Some people use the word
>'coppice' in that context but a coppice is more accurately a wood or a
>line of trees which have been pollarded.
>
>Who is sue?

A pollarded tree is one that has been cut high up, where the branches
start so it ends up a thick trunk with lots of branches sticking out
of the top, all about the same point.
Coppicing is cutting right down near the bottom so the tree grows lots
of new branches from the bottom and looks like lots of thin trees
growing from the same spot.

Sue Pollard was the zany chalet girl in Hi de Hi (amongst other
things). Hi de Hi!! 8-D

Joan in Bramhall

Aonghas P MacKenzie

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> As the verb 'pollard' has been in use since 1670, I think we have
> to accept it. Do you use 'nadder' for 'adder', as well, another
> old illiteracy?

> Marianne Ahrne
> Uppsala, Sweden

I can avoid that one by calling it a viper.

--
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Aonghas P MacKenzie

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> So avenues of pollarded limes are in fact polled limes?
> I wonder what their opinion was.
> Stuart Grant

Avenues of pollard limes would be perfectly acceptable. <G> Come to
look at it, pollard must be an adjective too.

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Aonghas P MacKenzie

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from Alan Gould <al...@agolincs.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

> I can only suggest that you inform Chambers Dictionary of their error.
> They give: pollard - v.t.(verb transitive) - to make a pollard of
> --
> Alan Gould

I'm well aware of what the dictionaries say - some of them even use
'sophisticated' as a term of approbation these days.

I used to have a dictionary (lost along the line of many flittings)
which defined

nice: precise, exact, to the point. Often used to mean pleasant by
those who are not nice.

--
Aonghas Mackenzie
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Judith Lea

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In article <36259539...@read.news.global.net.uk>, Joan
<jo...@rileyk.globalnet.co.uk> writes

>Sue Pollard was the zany chalet girl in Hi de Hi (amongst other
>things). Hi de Hi!! 8-D

I saw her a few weeks ago in a telephone box in Norwich. I did a double
take and walked on. She leapt out of the 'phone box and said in her
inimitable style "Yes, can I help you". By that time I was almost out of
earshot so she yelled in her best racous voice "Do you want me?" What's
this to do with gardening, nothing.
--
Judith Lea

Alan Gould

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In article <199810142...@zetnet.co.uk>, Aonghas P MacKenzie
<an.b...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
snip....

>> So avenues of pollarded limes are in fact polled limes?
>> I wonder what their opinion was.
>> Stuart Grant
>
> Avenues of pollard limes would be perfectly acceptable. <G> Come to
>look at it, pollard must be an adjective too.
>
Yes it is: pollard adj. pollarded; awnless; bald

pollard is also given as one of the adjectival variations of poll(ed).
That's why we refer to pollarded (hornless) cattle as poll bulls (etc).
--
Alan Gould

wyste...@my-dejanews.com

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Where I live in Norway there are more ash trees than blades of grass (there's
a lot of grass). It does burn well, although Norwegians (obsessed with wood
fires) don't rave about it like you lot do in England (sorry, UK). They burn
birch, mostly. But if you want a good supply of ash to burn, try
polling/pollarding /copping/coppicing one. I've found that they're unkillable
(I've tried), and incredibly fast-growing. They look good, both as neat- and
unkempt-looking pollards.

Alan J Holmes

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In article <36259539...@read.news.global.net.uk>,

Joan <jo...@rileyk.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:44:30 +0100, Alan Gould
><al...@agolincs.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>>Who is sue?

>Sue Pollard was the zany chalet girl in Hi de Hi (amongst other
>things). Hi de Hi!! 8-D

And she played the part brilliantly, but she was a very starnge
girl in real life!

Fancy you not knowing who Sue Pollard is, Alan.

Although you may be too young to have seen that series!

--
Alan G4CRW, Ex FAA, RNARS and others!

Alan J Holmes

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In article <199810132...@zetnet.co.uk>,
Aonghas P MacKenzie <an.b...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The message <PYGqiLBe...@agolincs.demon.co.uk>

> from Alan Gould <al...@agolincs.demon.co.uk> contains these words:

>> I was referring to tree cutting of course. Some people use the word


>> 'coppice' in that context but a coppice is more accurately a wood or a
>> line of trees which have been pollarded.

> Coppice is a wood or spinney in which the wood has been cut down to

>stumps and allowed to sprout from there.

That means I'm about to 'coppice' an apple tree!

Alan J Holmes

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In article <362469...@csd.uu.se>, Marianne Ahrne <mah...@csd.uu.se> wrote:

>Aonghas P MacKenzie wrote:

>> Coppice is a wood or spinney in which the wood has been cut down to
>> stumps and allowed to sprout from there.

>> The verb 'pollard' is an old illiteracy: the verb is 'to poll.' The
>> word 'Pollard' can only be a noun, as in dotard, communard etc.

>As the verb 'pollard' has been in use since 1670, I think we have
>to accept it. Do you use 'nadder' for 'adder', as well, another
>old illiteracy?

Yes, of course.

Hey mum, I jes seen a 'nadder!

Alan Gould

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In article <707ebb$bvc$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>, Alan J Holmes
<xxx...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
snip....

>>As the verb 'pollard' has been in use since 1670, I think we have
>>to accept it. Do you use 'nadder' for 'adder', as well, another
>>old illiteracy?
>
>Yes, of course.
>
>Hey mum, I jes seen a 'nadder!
>
Dangerous if you're riding a 'norse
(by which I don't mean biking viking)

Topic: 'pollard' - truncation of pole-lard, i.e. mast-fat.
--
Alan Gould

Alan Gould

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In article <707e6k$bql$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>, Alan J Holmes
<xxx...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
snip....

>Fancy you not knowing who Sue Pollard is, Alan.

I don't even really know what Hi-de-Hi is.
Can I get Sued for that?
--
Alan Gould

Aonghas P MacKenzie

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> >As the verb 'pollard' has been in use since 1670, I think we have
> >to accept it. Do you use 'nadder' for 'adder', as well, another
> >old illiteracy?

> Yes, of course.

> Hey mum, I jes seen a 'nadder!

> --

> Alan G4CRW, Ex FAA, RNARS and others!
> Here I sit, giving the world the benefit of my words of wit and wisdom!
> What an exciting life I lead!(:-)

Didn't the Goons have one with a stripey head - called a 'nadger',
wasn't it? <G>

--
Aonghas Mackenzie
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Alan J Holmes

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In article <HEHo1nCe...@agolincs.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Gould <al...@agolincs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <707ebb$bvc$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>, Alan J Holmes
><xxx...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
>snip....

>>>As the verb 'pollard' has been in use since 1670, I think we have
>>>to accept it. Do you use 'nadder' for 'adder', as well, another
>>>old illiteracy?

>>Yes, of course.

>>Hey mum, I jes seen a 'nadder!

>Dangerous if you're riding a 'norse


>(by which I don't mean biking viking)

>Topic: 'pollard' - truncation of pole-lard, i.e. mast-fat.

I wonder what the connection between fat on a mast and cutting
trees is?

Alan J Holmes

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In article <EU9oRpC3...@agolincs.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Gould <al...@agolincs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <707e6k$bql$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>, Alan J Holmes
><xxx...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
>snip....

>>Fancy you not knowing who Sue Pollard is, Alan.

>I don't even really know what Hi-de-Hi is.

You must be younger than you make out, are you sure you're not
still in nappies?(:-)

>Can I get Sued for that?

I don't think you'd want to, at least not the real Sue Pollard,
she's a good actress but in real life, Yuk!

Alan Gould

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In article <70kmg9$iia$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>, Alan J Holmes
<xxx...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
snip....

>>Topic: 'pollard' - truncation of pole-lard, i.e. mast-fat.
>
>I wonder what the connection between fat on a mast and cutting
>trees is?
>
I wondered how long it would take you to ask that!

As a gardener you will know that mast not only refers to a pole, but to
tree fruit. That includes beech mast, acorns, chestnuts and so on. If
you press the mast, they will exude oil or fat which of course is mast-
fat. You then rub that on your pole to preserve it in good order and
condition. The one thing you do have to remember is not to use mast-fat
on wood from its own species of tree, that causes rejective sarcomata.

So there you are - mast-fat = pole-lard = pollard = cutting trees.

It's amazing what you learn in this group. Bang on topic too. :-))
--
Alan Gould

Alan Gould

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In article <70kml0$irt$1...@loki.brunel.ac.uk>, Alan J Holmes
<xxx...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
snip....

>>I don't even really know what Hi-de-Hi is.
>
>You must be younger than you make out, are you sure you're not
>still in nappies?(:-)

What's the (gardening) relationship between Hi-de-Hi and nappies?

--
Alan Gould

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