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James Hunt

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May 7, 2012, 11:35:02 AM5/7/12
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A mature horse chestnut about 20m high lies between my neighbours and
my garden, splitting our boundary fence.

He wants it cut down so he gets more sun in his garden, we want it
left as is - we've compromised on pruning the top 30% and removing as
much as possible from their side of the tree, sharing the costs.

We've been emphatic throughout that we want the work done properly to
ensure the best chance that the tree survives the work.

They've brought somebody round to look at the tree to give them a
quote. His business card included tree lopping and tree pruning, but
also other more general jobs, so he's doesn't seem a specialist tree
surgeon.

He has told our neighbours that he can start work next week. However,
I thought that it was a bad idea to do major work on horse chestnuts
this early in the year on account of them being especially sappy at
this time which tended to exacerbate bug infections post tree
maintenance.

Can anyone confirm whether that's correct? If so, it sounds like the
man who has quoted our neighbours is either unknowledgeable about tree
work, or unscrupulous as to the health of the tree.

Thanks.

Mike

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May 7, 2012, 11:49:27 AM5/7/12
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"James Hunt" <badge...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Have you ever seen a Horse Chestnut that has had the treatment you are
talking about?

No?

Didn't think you had.

To hack such a tree about is the end of it.

Leave it.

OR

Fell it ...................... AFTER the Birds have finished nesting, but a
proper tree surgeon would have told your neighbour that.

My daughter and son in law have two massive Horse Chestnuts in their grounds
and they both need OUT we are afraid.

Mike


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Emery Davis

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May 7, 2012, 1:07:59 PM5/7/12
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On 05/07/2012 06:00 PM, Sacha wrote:
> On 2012-05-07 16:35:02 +0100, James Hunt <badge...@gmail.com> said:
[]
>> He has told our neighbours that he can start work next week. However,
>> I thought that it was a bad idea to do major work on horse chestnuts
>> this early in the year on account of them being especially sappy at
>> this time which tended to exacerbate bug infections post tree
>> maintenance.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm whether that's correct? If so, it sounds like the
>> man who has quoted our neighbours is either unknowledgeable about tree
>> work, or unscrupulous as to the health of the tree.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> This may help you
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/gardening/basics/techniques/pruning_prunetrees1.shtml
> http://www.tree-care.info/ask/read.php?2,1881,1883
> This site gives specific times to avoid and times in which to prune.
>
> I would certainly check there isn't a TPO on the tree but if there
> isn't, the enquiry may result in one being slapped on it, so you have to
> be aware of that! It is the wrong time of year to be pruning or
> cutting back but apart from that, your neighbour and this tree man
> should be thinking of birds that may be nesting in it. In your
> situation, I would insist on a proper tree surgeon. I have a nasty
> feeling this is going to look a mess if it's not done properly because
> you're dealing with a mature tree. Anyone wielding a chainsaw can have
> a card printed suggesting they do such work but not everyone can do it
> well. It takes an hour to wreck a tree which won't recover and decades
> for one to grow. Insist on a tree surgeon who is properly trained. If
> this man says he can do it next week I wouldn't employ him.

Yes, this is too early. Better to wait until just after leaf drop,
though some prefer summer. Only emergency pruning should be performed now.

The fellow ought know that if he's qualified, ergo he isn't.

-E

harry

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May 7, 2012, 1:13:34 PM5/7/12
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Tree Preservation Orders. You need to find out if there is one.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/tposguide.pdf

Pete C

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May 7, 2012, 2:55:40 PM5/7/12
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"James Hunt" <badge...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>A mature horse chestnut about 20m high lies between my neighbours and
> my garden, splitting our boundary fence.
>
> He wants it cut down so he gets more sun in his garden, we want it
> left as is - we've compromised on pruning the top 30% and removing as
> much as possible from their side of the tree, sharing the costs.
>
> We've been emphatic throughout that we want the work done properly to
> ensure the best chance that the tree survives the work.
> snippy

My local Council prune/pollard trees here between Jan and March. I've
watched them work and chatted to the men who are all extremely competent. I
wouldn't touch the tree until at least the autumn. You need to employ a
fully qualified aborealist.....below from an advert..

a.. Public liability/ Professional indemnity insurance
a.. Professionally & NPTC qualified
a.. Works conform to BS 3998 & BS 5837


I hope you can persuade your neighbour to behave responsibly

Pete C


Janet

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May 7, 2012, 7:46:26 PM5/7/12
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> "James Hunt" <badge...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dd1c7b4b-960d-4f2f...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> >A mature horse chestnut about 20m high lies between my neighbours and
> > my garden, splitting our boundary fence.
> >
> > He wants it cut down so he gets more sun in his garden, we want it
> > left as is - we've compromised on pruning the top 30% and removing as
> > much as possible from their side of the tree, sharing the costs.

Insist on seeing the contractor's certificate of insurance for chainsaw
work... before agreeing the contract. If he is a trained and qualified
professional he will expect to be asked and be pleased to show it. If he
hasn't got one don't employ him.

Janet

James Hunt

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May 7, 2012, 8:05:55 PM5/7/12
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On May 8, 12:46 am, Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
> > "James Hunt" <badger1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
This is a reply to all comments thus far. Firstly thank you for yuor
feedback.

Secondly, as to my situation, we'll be pressing for a proper tree
surgeon (that we have used before). I think this feedback is enough to
halt my neighbour's plans.

James Hunt

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May 7, 2012, 8:10:57 PM5/7/12
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I ought to say though, please do reply if you feel you have any
relevant info - I still would like everyone's opinion as to pruning
horse chestnuts at this time of year..

Thanks.

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Emery Davis

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May 8, 2012, 10:56:54 AM5/8/12
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On 05/08/2012 01:03 PM, Sacha wrote:
> Times to avoid: early spring to mid-summer; late summer to mid-winter.
> Times it would be best: mid-winter to very early spring; mid-June to
> mid-July

Just before that he says "Pruning after mid-summer would be ok but it
may be better to wait until the end of the winter."

What would be wrong with pruning after leaf fall, I wonder? The wood
has ripened, and there's no growth going on obviously.

The trouble with waiting until "mid-winter" is knowing when the sap has
started to run. During a very mild winter, the sap can be going pretty
strong even just after Christmas. For this reason I make sure all maple
pruning is done before Christmas. If you get it wrong they will bleed
for many days. I imagine horse chestnut is the same.

I certainly agree with pruning after the first growth period but before
the second.

Just wondering... ;)
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Emery Davis

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May 8, 2012, 12:27:07 PM5/8/12
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On 05/08/2012 06:22 PM, Sacha wrote:
> The man the neighbours want to get in says he can start next week, which
> is just the wrong time. That was the problem the OP was referring to in
> his first post. If he knew what he was doing, he wouldn't even suggest it!

Yes, we certainly agree about that Sacha! I was just wondering about
why not to prune in late fall, after leaf drop.

Rod

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May 8, 2012, 1:17:29 PM5/8/12
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On Monday, 7 May 2012 17:00:39 UTC+1, Sacha wrote:


> I would certainly check there isn't a TPO on the tree but if there
> isn't, the enquiry may result in one being slapped on it, so you have
> to be aware of that! It is the wrong time of year to be pruning or
> cutting back but apart from that, your neighbour and this tree man
> should be thinking of birds that may be nesting in it. In your
> situation, I would insist on a proper tree surgeon. I have a nasty
> feeling this is going to look a mess if it's not done properly because
> you're dealing with a mature tree. Anyone wielding a chainsaw can have
> a card printed suggesting they do such work but not everyone can do it
> well. It takes an hour to wreck a tree which won't recover and decades
> for one to grow. Insist on a tree surgeon who is properly trained. If
> this man says he can do it next week I wouldn't employ him.
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.com
> www.hillhousenurserytearoom.com
> South Devon

I wonder if a TPO might help the O/P?
I think work like crown reduction may be allowed on TPO'd trees under certain conditions. In such a case the powers that be would absolutely insist on qualified, approved operators.

Rod


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Mike

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May 8, 2012, 1:52:05 PM5/8/12
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What a pity :-((

What a pity that at long last you have come round to what I said right at
the beginning.

Such a shame

Head in sand

Kindest POSSIBLE regards

Mike

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"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Ah, sorry, I didn't follow that properly. I think the OP needs to look at
> this extremely carefully. If a TPO isn't on the tree... I'm thinking
> it may look simply awful, pruned right back on one side and topped out, as
> well. I suspect the OP's pleasure in having that tree may well be ruined
> altogether. I'd almost rather get a TPO on it, go out for the day and let
> it be felled completely, or have it turned into a large stump up which
> they grow climbers. I can't see how this is going to improve the look of
> the tree, whatever time of year the work is done. Oh dear!

Mike

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May 8, 2012, 1:55:22 PM5/8/12
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James, in case you missed it as well as other have ....

""Have you ever seen a Horse Chestnut that has had the treatment you are
talking about?

No?

Didn't think you had.

To hack such a tree about is the end of it.

Leave it.

OR

Fell it ...................... AFTER the Birds have finished nesting, but a
proper tree surgeon would have told your neighbour that.

My daughter and son in law have two massive Horse Chestnuts in their grounds
and they both need OUT we are afraid.

Mike""

Kindest regards



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Janet

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May 8, 2012, 2:04:43 PM5/8/12
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In article <a0t3vd...@mid.individual.net>, sa...@nowhere.com says...

I suspect the OP's pleasure in having that tree
> may well be ruined altogether. I'd almost rather get a TPO on it, go
> out for the day and let it be felled completely, or have it turned into
> a large stump up which they grow climbers.

For those who don't know what a TPO is :

A Tree Preservation Order will BAN a live healthy tree from being
felled, and owners who disobey a TPO on their tree would face a gigantic
fine for felling or damaging it.

Janet


Mike

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May 8, 2012, 2:09:38 PM5/8/12
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"Janet" <H...@invalid.net> wrote in message
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From a VERY experienced Chappy whose business if felling/pruning trees .....

.............. ""ABOUT"" £3000.00 .................

in HIS EXPERIENCE..

others will of course have other stories won't they?

Mike
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Harry D

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May 9, 2012, 9:11:26 AM5/9/12
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"Rod" wrote in message
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I have two mature horse chestnut trees in my front garden both with TPOs. I
wasn't allowed to top them out at all and only allowed to cut or trim
branches up to a height of around 8' from the ground to allow in a little
more light. Although I quite like the trees they can be a pain with nearly
all round the year niggles, starting with sticky buds then flower petals
followed by the dreaded conkers with mountains of leaves bringing up the
rear! Both trees are on my front lawn so they do make a lot of clearing up
duties.

Harry

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Granity

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May 9, 2012, 10:36:10 AM5/9/12
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'Sacha[_4_ Wrote:
> ;958318']On 2012-05-08 13:07:33 +0100, Chris Hogg m...@privacy.net said:
> -
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 17:05:55 -0700 (PDT), James Hunt
> badge...@gmail.com wrote:
> -
> On May 8, 12:46*am, Janet H...@invalid.net wrote:-
> "James Hunt" badger1...@gmail.com wrote in message
> news:dd1c7b4b-960d-4f2f...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> A mature horse chestnut about 20m high lies between my neighbours and
> my garden, splitting our boundary fence.
>
> He wants it cut down so he gets more sun in his garden, we want it
> left as is - we've compromised on pruning the top 30% and removing as
> much as possible from their side of the tree, sharing the costs.
>
> *Insist on seeing the contractor's certificate of insurance for
> chainsaw
> work... before agreeing the contract. If he is a trained and qualified
> professional he will expect to be asked and be pleased to show it. If
> he
> hasn't got one don't employ him.
>
> * Janet-
>
> This is a reply to all comments thus far. Firstly thank you for yuor
> feedback.
>
> Secondly, as to my situation, we'll be pressing for a proper tree
> surgeon (that we have used before). I think this feedback is enough to
> halt my neighbour's plans.-
>
> If you really want to keep it in its present form, why not try and get
> a tree preservation order (TPO) on it, assuming it hasn't already got
> one?-
>
> Difficulties with the neighbours thereafter? It's a tricky one because
>
> everyone is trying to satisfy the wishes of everyone else but I feel
> it's going to end up looking a real mess. If it hasn't got a TPO on
> it, I suspect both parties may end up wishing they'd just felled it.
> Of course if it has got a TPO then they mess with it at their peril!
> --
> Sacha
> 'Buy plants online, including rare and popular plant varieties from Hill
> House Nursery, mail order plant specialist'
> (http://www.hillhousenursery.com)
> 'South Devon tearooms, Devon cream teas, tea garden, Totnes cafes,
> Staverton cafes, Ashburton cafes'
> (http://www.hillhousenurserytearoom.com)
> South Devon

I don't know how low it is but would raising the canopy a bit by
removing the lower branches perhaps allow sufficient light into the
garden?




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Rod

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May 9, 2012, 1:39:09 PM5/9/12
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On Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:43:28 UTC+1, Sacha wrote:
> On 2012-05-09 15:36:10 +0100, Granity
> <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> said:
> I don't know how low it is but would raising the canopy a bit by
> > removing the lower branches perhaps allow sufficient light into the
> > garden?
>
> That might allow more light onto the beds but I suspect the canopy is
> casting shadow onto e.g. a lawn or terrace, so it's a different kind of
> problem. "Raising the skirts" (as Keith Wiley calls it) of a large
> tree or shrub will allow underplanting but won't make any difference to
> overall shade over the garden as a whole.
Oh dear, neighbours and trees :~{{{
I can't help thinking this will end in tears.
There are absolutely opposing interests here, no party is in the right or in the wrong and none of this would have arisen had a forest tree not been planted (or allowed to grow) in a domestic setting.
Much as I love trees, having spent my working life careing for them I believe this tree ought to go. To mutilate it would be an awful shame, much of the beauty of a horse chestnut is in the form and it's hard to imagine how even the most sympathetic pruning would not mar that, not to mention any physical damage to the plant.

Rod



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Alan Holmes

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May 15, 2012, 6:59:31 PM5/15/12
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"James Hunt" <badge...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>A mature horse chestnut about 20m high lies between my neighbours and
> my garden, splitting our boundary fence.
>
> He wants it cut down so he gets more sun in his garden, we want it
> left as is - we've compromised on pruning the top 30% and removing as
> much as possible from their side of the tree, sharing the costs.
>
> We've been emphatic throughout that we want the work done properly to
> ensure the best chance that the tree survives the work.
>
> They've brought somebody round to look at the tree to give them a
> quote. His business card included tree lopping and tree pruning, but
> also other more general jobs, so he's doesn't seem a specialist tree
> surgeon.
>
> He has told our neighbours that he can start work next week. However,
> I thought that it was a bad idea to do major work on horse chestnuts
> this early in the year on account of them being especially sappy at
> this time which tended to exacerbate bug infections post tree
> maintenance.
>
> Can anyone confirm whether that's correct? If so, it sounds like the
> man who has quoted our neighbours is either unknowledgeable about tree
> work, or unscrupulous as to the health of the tree.

I would have thought it would be to the advantage of you both to get rid of
it completely!

Alan


>
> Thanks.
>
>


Alan Holmes

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May 15, 2012, 7:04:18 PM5/15/12
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"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On May 7, 4:35 pm, James Hunt <badger1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A mature horse chestnut about 20m high lies between my neighbours and
> my garden, splitting our boundary fence.
>
> He wants it cut down so he gets more sun in his garden, we want it
> left as is - we've compromised on pruning the top 30% and removing as
> much as possible from their side of the tree, sharing the costs.
>
> We've been emphatic throughout that we want the work done properly to
> ensure the best chance that the tree survives the work.
>
> They've brought somebody round to look at the tree to give them a
> quote. His business card included tree lopping and tree pruning, but
> also other more general jobs, so he's doesn't seem a specialist tree
> surgeon.
>
> He has told our neighbours that he can start work next week. However,
> I thought that it was a bad idea to do major work on horse chestnuts
> this early in the year on account of them being especially sappy at
> this time which tended to exacerbate bug infections post tree
> maintenance.
>
> Can anyone confirm whether that's correct? If so, it sounds like the
> man who has quoted our neighbours is either unknowledgeable about tree
> work, or unscrupulous as to the health of the tree.
>
> Thanks.

Tree Preservation Orders. You need to find out if there is one.
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/tposguide.pdf


If you have planted the trees why should there be a presurvation order on
it, it is yours to whatever you want with it!

Alan




nickh...@gmail.com

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May 15, 2020, 1:04:48 PM5/15/20
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I would cut it in autumn . Then you know birds have gone , sap isn’t an issue if you use a bow saw , ban the polluting noisy chain saws .

Jeff Layman

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May 15, 2020, 1:24:22 PM5/15/20
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On 15/05/20 18:04, nickh...@gmail.com wrote:
> I would cut it in autumn . Then you know birds have gone , sap isn’t an issue if you use a bow saw , ban the polluting noisy chain saws .

I wonder if the tree has grown much in the eight years since the OP?

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Jeff
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