Heavy Gardening Gloves

[Tom Gardner]

I have some brambles and roses to clear and would like
to have a /thick/ pair of leather gloves so I don't
experience involuntary acupuncture.

I currently have one glove which is completely made of
thick (>1mm, probably 2mm) leather. It does resist
thorns almost completely.

Having looked in my local garden centre and DIY shops,
all I can find is a myriad varieties of sort and/or thin
and/or fleecy gloves that have leather on one side.

Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable
for brambles (and preferably homicidal macaws, but
that's another story).

Thanks

[Mentalguy2k8]

"Tom Gardner" <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lTNmt.4582$ZU7....@newsfe28.iad...

I saw a pair of men's gloves in B&Q yesterday evening which claimed to be
"thorn resistant":

http://www.diy.com/nav/garden/garden-tools-equipment/gardening-clothing/gardening_gloves/-specificproducttype-mens_gloves/B-and-Q-Men-s-Thorn-Resistant-Gloves-10278368?skuId=10709025

I know the description says "ladies" but they're mens.

[Jake]

For heavy gloves I avoid garden centres and the sheds and go to a
builders' merchant. In fact, these days, I get all my gardening gloves
from one. Usually a lot cheaper.

--
Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Hobbling along and Urgling from the East end of
Swansea Bay

[Bob Hobden]

"Tom Gardner" wrote ...

Welders Gloves
http://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/410311/gloves---welders-gauntlets
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

[David Hill]

What do you need a pair for?
IF I wear gloves then it's just one on my left hand to pull brambles etc
my right hand holds the secateurs and I don't like using them with gloves.
The problem with gloves is you tend to grab much harder and force thorns
through the gloves.
I mostly work bare handed and have a happy evening with a needle
removing stray thorns.

[Tom Gardner]

David Hill wrote:
> On 21/05/2013 18:09, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> I have some brambles and roses to clear and would like
>> to have a /thick/ pair of leather gloves so I don't
>> experience involuntary acupuncture.
>>
>> I currently have one glove which is completely made of
>> thick (>1mm, probably 2mm) leather. It does resist
>> thorns almost completely.
>>
>> Having looked in my local garden centre and DIY shops,
>> all I can find is a myriad varieties of sort and/or thin
>> and/or fleecy gloves that have leather on one side.
>>
>> Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
>> would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable
>> for brambles (and preferably homicidal macaws, but
>> that's another story).
>>
>> Thanks
>
> What do you need a pair for?
> IF I wear gloves then it's just one on my left hand to pull brambles etc my right hand holds the secateurs and I don't like using them with gloves.

I have the other glove, of course!

> The problem with gloves is you tend to grab much harder and force thorns through the gloves.

Not with my current glove, but I strongly suspect
that would be the result with the gloves I've seen
but haven't bought. Hence my question.

> I mostly work bare handed and have a happy evening with a needle removing stray thorns.

Ah, that is clearly a definition of "happy" that
I'm not familiar with :)

[Janet]

In article <lTNmt.4582$ZU7....@newsfe28.iad>, spam...@blueyonder.co.uk
says...

I use all-leather gloves with a soft cotton lining, like these

http://www.screwfix.com/p/keep-safe-thermal-gloves-size-10/15705

Builders merchants also sell them.

Janet

[Tom Gardner]

I have small hands, so that's not a problem.

More of a problem is my suspicion of B&Q's specifications;
in fact it looks like it is merely woven on the back of
the hand - so that's where I'd be punctured :(

Nonetheless, I'll have a look. Thanks.

[Tom Gardner]

Jake wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:09:37 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have some brambles and roses to clear and would like
>> to have a /thick/ pair of leather gloves so I don't
>> experience involuntary acupuncture.
>>
>> I currently have one glove which is completely made of
>> thick (>1mm, probably 2mm) leather. It does resist
>> thorns almost completely.
>>
>> Having looked in my local garden centre and DIY shops,
>> all I can find is a myriad varieties of sort and/or thin
>> and/or fleecy gloves that have leather on one side.
>>
>> Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
>> would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable
>> for brambles (and preferably homicidal macaws, but
>> that's another story).
>>
>> Thanks
>
> For heavy gloves I avoid garden centres and the sheds and go to a
> builders' merchant. In fact, these days, I get all my gardening gloves
> from one. Usually a lot cheaper.

Seems very sensible. IIRC the last time I looked I
didn't see anything notably better in the builders
merchants. But I need to verify that.

Thanks.

[Tom Gardner]

That's an interesting idea; I'll follow it up.

[Tom Gardner]

That looks like a decent range; better than the place
I tried today.

[David Hill]

That lovely feeling as the last thorn is removed.
No pain no gain

[damdu...@yahoo.co.uk]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:36:56 +0100, "Bob Hobden" <Bo...@invalid.com>
wrote:

>>
>>Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
>>would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable
>>for brambles (and preferably homicidal macaws, but
>>that's another story).
>>
>>
>Welders Gloves
>http://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/410311/gloves---welders-gauntlets

Aldi sometimes have them just in case you go in for a tin of beans and
come out with a welder which seems to be their marketing strategy.
Got the missus a lovely bright red pair and told her they were oven
gloves. she doesnt burn her arms on the oven surround now.

G.Harman

[Baz]

Jake <Nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:aobnp8l6i0h617q6d...@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:09:37 +0100, Tom Gardner
> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I have some brambles and roses to clear and would like
>>to have a /thick/ pair of leather gloves so I don't
>>experience involuntary acupuncture.
>>
>>I currently have one glove which is completely made of
>>thick (>1mm, probably 2mm) leather. It does resist
>>thorns almost completely.
>>
>>Having looked in my local garden centre and DIY shops,
>>all I can find is a myriad varieties of sort and/or thin
>>and/or fleecy gloves that have leather on one side.
>>
>>Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
>>would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable
>>for brambles (and preferably homicidal macaws, but
>>that's another story).
>>
>>Thanks
>
> For heavy gloves I avoid garden centres and the sheds and go to a
> builders' merchant. In fact, these days, I get all my gardening gloves
> from one. Usually a lot cheaper.
>

I agree.
I get all my gardening accesories from builders merchants. Sometimes you
have to order an item from their catalogue but it is usually only 24hrs
delivery. The counter staff are IME, very helpful too.

Baz

[Baz]

David Hill <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote in news:b0271vF2r46U1
@mid.individual.net:

No thorn, no pain.
Go and visit the local builders merchant, and part with the thorns.

Baz

[kay]

David Hill;983726 Wrote:
>
> I mostly work bare handed and have a happy evening with a needle
> removing stray thorns.

Leave them a couple of days and they go septic - then they pop out
easily. Much less trouble.




--
kay

[David Hill]

With me that only works for about 5% of the thorns.

[Muddymike]

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message news:b01plo...@mid.individual.net...

I'll second that.

Mike

[Mike]

I used Welding Gloves for years. Left over from my Apprenticeship in a
shipyard



"Muddymike" wrote in message
news:CIWdnZdRKuO9kALM...@brightview.com...

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <CIWdnZdRKuO9kALM...@brightview.com>,

Muddymike <mudd...@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>"Bob Hobden" wrote in message news:b01plo...@mid.individual.net...
>>

>>Welders Gloves
>>http://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/410311/gloves---welders-gauntlets
>
>I'll second that.

I find that the problem with heavy gloves is that I lose so much
sensation that I become dangerous - either to plants I am pruning
or to myself. Welding gloves might be better than builders' ones,
but I am pretty sure that this applies to ALL gloves. So I rarely
use them, even for fairly vicious work.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Tom Gardner]

nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> In article <CIWdnZdRKuO9kALM...@brightview.com>,
> Muddymike <mudd...@mattishall.org.uk> wrote:
>> "Bob Hobden" wrote in message news:b01plo...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> Welders Gloves
>>> http://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/410311/gloves---welders-gauntlets
>>
>> I'll second that.
>
> I find that the problem with heavy gloves is that I lose so much
> sensation that I become dangerous - either to plants I am pruning
> or to myself.

I need to be dangerous to the brambles, so that's a bonus :)

How do heavy gloves make you more dangerous to yourself?

I'm guessing something along the lines of not thinking
about long flailing stems catching arms (=>wear heavy
sweater) or eyes (=> wear glasses) ...

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <MCFnt.24150$BO7....@fx16.am4>,

Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Welders Gloves
>>>> http://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/410311/gloves---welders-gauntlets
>>>
>>> I'll second that.
>>
>> I find that the problem with heavy gloves is that I lose so much
>> sensation that I become dangerous - either to plants I am pruning
>> or to myself.
>
>I need to be dangerous to the brambles, so that's a bonus :)
>
>How do heavy gloves make you more dangerous to yourself?

Tools slipping out of my hands. Failing to realise that what I
am relying on for balance (and I balance entirely by touch) is
not stable. But the former is the main one, and applies to
almost every user of potentially dangerous tools. It's a known
cause of industrial accident, in most cases a price worth paying
because of the reduced risk - but sometimes it is the protective
gear that is the main risk.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[David Hill]

I find that without gloves you think about every move you make, not just
grab.

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <ngcup85s3st1u17mm...@4ax.com>,

Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welders Gloves
>>>>>> http://www.cromwell.co.uk/shop/410311/gloves---welders-gauntlets
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll second that.
>>>>
>>>> I find that the problem with heavy gloves is that I lose so much
>>>> sensation that I become dangerous - either to plants I am pruning
>>>> or to myself.
>>>
>>>I need to be dangerous to the brambles, so that's a bonus :)
>>>
>>>How do heavy gloves make you more dangerous to yourself?
>>
>>Tools slipping out of my hands. Failing to realise that what I
>>am relying on for balance (and I balance entirely by touch) is
>>not stable. But the former is the main one, and applies to
>>almost every user of potentially dangerous tools. It's a known
>>cause of industrial accident, in most cases a price worth paying
>>because of the reduced risk - but sometimes it is the protective
>>gear that is the main risk.
>

>If astronauts can cope, so can you, Nick :-)

If you can find an astronaut with no vestibular (semi-circular
canal) function, I will be a little surprised.

On the slipping out of the hands problem, yes, they can - but the
gloves mean that everything takes many times longer and is VASTLY
more difficult. Not least because they keep making mistakes, no
matter how careful they are.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>Tools slipping out of my hands. Failing to realise that what I
>>am relying on for balance (and I balance entirely by touch) is
>>not stable. But the former is the main one, and applies to
>>almost every user of potentially dangerous tools. It's a known
>>cause of industrial accident, in most cases a price worth paying
>>because of the reduced risk - but sometimes it is the protective
>>gear that is the main risk.
>

> If astronauts can cope, so can you, Nick :-)

I'm with Nick on this one. I have watched footage of space walks and
wondered how on earth they can do anything with all the bulky gear on.
I get claustrophobic just looking at them.

[David Hill]

>> Tools slipping out of my hands. Failing to realise that what I
>> am relying on for balance (and I balance entirely by touch) is
>> not stable. But the former is the main one, and applies to
>> almost every user of potentially dangerous tools. It's a known
>> cause of industrial accident, in most cases a price worth paying
>> because of the reduced risk - but sometimes it is the protective
>> gear that is the main risk.
>

> If astronauts can cope, so can you, Nick :-)
>

Yes
But
Astronauts undergo at least 2 years if intensive training

[David Hill]

> Wear welders goggles to protect your eyes from unexpectedly being
> exposed to sunlight?

Now that's going a bit fat.
What are the chances of getting sunlight?

[David Hill]

Even a bit Far

[Tom Gardner]

nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> If you can find an astronaut with no vestibular (semi-circular
> canal) function, I will be a little surprised.

I'd have thought that was a distinct advantage for an astronaut.
I suspect when the fluids float around in the labyrinths they
generate all sorts of spurious signals that cause nausea.
No signals => no nausea.

[Tom Gardner]

Martin wrote:
> Wear welders goggles to protect your eyes from unexpectedly being
> exposed to sunlight?

What is this "sunlight" of which you speak?

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <ehnvp811tkvcjdmhk...@4ax.com>,
Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:

>If you can find somebody with no vestibular (semi-circular
>canal) function, who can walk about without falling over using only
>his sense of touch I will be a little surprised.

Then prepare to be surprised. I am just one such - but, then, I
am lucky because I have had a lifetime to adapt.

I can even ride a bicycle and ski, but I need a very stable one
of the former, and it took me 150 hours to learn the latter where
people with normal abilities take 30.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[David Hill]

On 24/05/2013 22:39, Martin wrote:

> Not to do gardening. It isn't rocket science.
>
No, the compost would be a problem in the space station and they
wouldn't do well outside
But they do have a lot of training how to use tools in space with heavy
gloves.

I wonder how brambles would grow in low gravity.

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <htq0q8ttniici7fd6...@4ax.com>,

Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>If you can find somebody with no vestibular (semi-circular
>>>canal) function, who can walk about without falling over using only
>>>his sense of touch I will be a little surprised.
>>
>>Then prepare to be surprised. I am just one such - but, then, I
>>am lucky because I have had a lifetime to adapt.
>>
>>I can even ride a bicycle and ski, but I need a very stable one
>>of the former, and it took me 150 hours to learn the latter where
>>people with normal abilities take 30.
>

>I have had recurring vestibular (semi-circularcanal) function
>problems. I couldn't stay standing up without leaning against
>something or holding on to something. You must be almost unique.

That is normal - I may be a bit unusual, but I am by no means
unique. There are a fair number of people around who have had
none since birth and you won't notice - many of those will be
profoundly deaf, too, of course. I have heard about someone who
lost his vestibular function in old age (20s) and adapted as well
as I have - now that IS rare!

I almost certainly lost the function after I had learned to walk
and while still very young, so I could still develop new neural
pathways (both for balance and hearing), which is why I am lucky.
But using both all day is very, very (physically) tiring - I can
carry a 50 lb pack all day over Scottish hills and be less tired
than after a day of interacting with people.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Tom Gardner]

nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> In article <htq0q8ttniici7fd6...@4ax.com>,
> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you can find somebody with no vestibular (semi-circular
>>>> canal) function, who can walk about without falling over using only
>>>> his sense of touch I will be a little surprised.
>>>
>>> Then prepare to be surprised. I am just one such - but, then, I
>>> am lucky because I have had a lifetime to adapt.
>>>
>>> I can even ride a bicycle and ski, but I need a very stable one
>>> of the former, and it took me 150 hours to learn the latter where
>>> people with normal abilities take 30.
>>
>> I have had recurring vestibular (semi-circularcanal) function
>> problems. I couldn't stay standing up without leaning against
>> something or holding on to something. You must be almost unique.
>
> That is normal - I may be a bit unusual, but I am by no means
> unique. There are a fair number of people around who have had
> none since birth and you won't notice - many of those will be
> profoundly deaf, too, of course. I have heard about someone who
> lost his vestibular function in old age (20s) and adapted as well
> as I have - now that IS rare!

My father had severe otosclerosis at 14 eventually followed
by a botched operation that permanently deafened him in one ear.
He had significantly diminished vestibular function, and relied
on sight and proprioception when skiing. That was less than
optimal when the clouds were heavy.

> I almost certainly lost the function after I had learned to walk
> and while still very young, so I could still develop new neural
> pathways (both for balance and hearing), which is why I am lucky.
> But using both all day is very, very (physically) tiring - I can
> carry a 50 lb pack all day over Scottish hills and be less tired
> than after a day of interacting with people.

Listening requires a lot of concentration if you are deaf :(

[Tom Gardner]

Martin wrote:

> On Fri, 24 May 2013 23:05:45 +0100, David Hill
> <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote:
>> I wonder how brambles would grow in low gravity.
>

> out of control?

No change there, then :(

[80/20]

On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:09:37 PM UTC+1, Tom Gardner wrote:
> I have some brambles and roses to clear and would like
>
> to have a /thick/ pair of leather gloves so I don't
>
> experience involuntary acupuncture.
>
>
>
> I currently have one glove which is completely made of
>
> thick (>1mm, probably 2mm) leather. It does resist
>
> thorns almost completely.
>
>
>
> Having looked in my local garden centre and DIY shops,
>
> all I can find is a myriad varieties of sort and/or thin
>
> and/or fleecy gloves that have leather on one side.
>
>
>
> Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
>
> would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable
>
> for brambles (and preferably homicidal macaws, but
>
> that's another story).
>
>
>
> Thanks

I use Briers Lined Hide gloves for just about everything from gardening through to carrying heavy sharp objects. I keep a pair in the car as well as in the garden shed, those in the car come in very handy if you have to change a wheel as I recently found out - dry and clean hands afterwards.
The only place I've seen them sold recently is Waitrose.

[Muddymike]

"80/20" wrote in message
news:a3a94d5f-3617-4d4a...@googlegroups.com...

>
>On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:09:37 PM UTC+1, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> I have some brambles and roses to clear and would like
>> to have a /thick/ pair of leather gloves so I don't
>>
>> experience involuntary acupuncture.
>> I currently have one glove which is completely made of
>>
>> thick (>1mm, probably 2mm) leather. It does resist
>>
>> thorns almost completely.
>> Having looked in my local garden centre and DIY shops,
>>
>> all I can find is a myriad varieties of sort and/or thin
>>
>> and/or fleecy gloves that have leather on one side.
>> Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
>>
>> would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable

>I use Briers Lined Hide gloves for just about everything from gardening
>through to carrying heavy sharp objects. I keep a pair in the car as well
>as in the garden shed, those in the car come in >very handy if you have to
>change a wheel as I recently found out - dry and clean hands afterwards.
>The only place I've seen them sold recently is Waitrose.

As has been mentioned on here before. I and others wear welding gauntlets
for such work. Very thick and inexpensive from machine tool retailers.

Mike

[Tom Gardner]

Tom Gardner wrote:
> I have some brambles and roses to clear and would like
> to have a /thick/ pair of leather gloves so I don't
> experience involuntary acupuncture.
>
> I currently have one glove which is completely made of
> thick (>1mm, probably 2mm) leather. It does resist
> thorns almost completely.
>
> Having looked in my local garden centre and DIY shops,
> all I can find is a myriad varieties of sort and/or thin
> and/or fleecy gloves that have leather on one side.
>
> Any hints as to how to locate heavy-duty leather gloves
> would be appreciated. Or anything else that is suitable

> for brambles (and preferably homicidal macaws, but
> that's another story).

Thanks for all your help.

The gloves I found in the builders' merchants and
similar were "bog standard" and didn't have thick
enough leather for me to feel they would be useful.
Most of them also had woven material on the back
of the hands, which definitely isn't good enough.

Eventually I found some welders gauntlets in Arco.
Their leather is noticeably thicker and they have
an extra lining as well. Having just removed 10%
of the brambles, only one thorn went through the
glove, even though I was sometimes pulling on the
bramble as hard as possible to get the very long
stems out. I had far more pricks where the d*mn
things caught me elsewhere.

So, the welders gloves (enable me to) do the job.
Thanks for all your help and advice.