Best way to boil water on allotment?

[Janet Tweedy]

My brother and his wife have got a fairly new allotment and put up a
shed in October. i was going to get them (for a christmas present) some
means of boiling water so they could have some tea and maybe a light.

Anyone recommend anything please?

Janet

[Graham Harrison]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message
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If you have a source of paraffin then a Tilley Lamp
http://www.camping-online.co.uk/outdoor-gas-and-petrol-lanterns/tilley-lamps-and-spares/tilley-storm-lantern-brass.html
comes in a range of colours and suppliers. Last I looked for spares the
manufacturer was in Belfast.

And a Primus stove
http://www.primus.eu/templates/pages/3_cols_white_middle.aspx?SectionId=5888

[Bill Grey]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message
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If its just a quick cuppa you want then one of those little gas stoves that
come in a litle carrying case complete with gas cartridge should do nicely.
A tiny capming type kettle will boil quickly.

This is what I use when we get the occasional power cut!

have a look at:-
http://www.buydirect4u.co.uk/portable-gas-stove-burner.html?gclid=CLeasP3VsLQCFefMtAodDncAGg

Bill

[David Hill]

I use a double burner gas cooker something like this
http://www.blackcountrycamping.co.uk/kampa/camper-double-gas-hob
The one I have is in a Cary box and has the cylinder contained in the
same box, got it from Lidl or Aldi.
Advantage is it's stable and you can fry or make toast etc whilst
boiling the kettle.

[Mike]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message
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A made up 'Allotment Basket' with Tea, Coffee, Sugar, Cups etc and space for
one large and one small Vacuum Flask.

Off to the Lottie? Put the kettle on, boil the water, fill the large flask.
Fill the small one with milk. Put them in the 'Allotment Basket'

Break time. Tea? Coffee? Other teas which only require water? Fresh Milk or
Powdered Milk. Sugar/Sweeteners? All there with no trouble.

Been there. Done that for years when I was working for myself.

Mike


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[Dave Liquorice]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:17:47 -0000, Graham Harrison wrote:

> If you have a source of paraffin then a Tilley Lamp

Can be a bit fnickity to light, with meths to preheat and having to pump
up regulary etc. Think I'd go for the convience of a gas lantern with
piezo ignition and detachable "clic" cylinders. The Bivouac stove also
takes "clic" cylinders so would be would be flexible. Gas runs out making
a brew, "borrow" the cylinder from the lantern...

http://www.campingaz.com/Benelux/p-23519-lumostar174-plus-pz.aspx
http://www.campingaz.com/Benelux/p-22993-bivouac174.aspx

Note the lantern chucks out a fair bit of heat make sure there is plenty
of clearance above it so as not to set fire to the shed roof...

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Cheers
Dave.

[Pete C]

"'Mike'" <'All.finished'@woolies.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> A made up 'Allotment Basket' with Tea, Coffee, Sugar, Cups etc and space
> for one large and one small Vacuum Flask.
>
> Off to the Lottie? Put the kettle on, boil the water, fill the large
> flask. Fill the small one with milk. Put them in the 'Allotment Basket'
>
> Break time. Tea? Coffee? Other teas which only require water? Fresh Milk
> or Powdered Milk. Sugar/Sweeteners? All there with no trouble.
>
> Been there. Done that for years when I was working for myself.
>

That's what I do. No way would I have a naked flame in a shed.
--
Pete C

[Baz]

Janet Tweedy <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in news:pqDBs.1429210$Ak.28066
@fx24.am4:

I have seen allotmenteers using petrol generators, an electric kettle and a
lead lamp (an electrical lamp on a cable) . Most people have an electric
kettle and a lead light. A petrol generator can be bought cheaper than �50.

I have a device that plugs into the cigar lighter in the car/van. Takes 10
mins per cup. It does not provide light though.

The most convenient IMO is a camping gas stove. You would have to be
vigilant using it in a wooden shed. You can buy these in lots of shops and
are inexpensive. Lanterns are available too.

If you know how long your session at the allotment is going to be then the
most simple is a thermos flask. I prefer a fresh brew and use camping gas,
as riky as it can sometimes be. Plus I enjoy the experience for some daft
reason.

Baz

[Dave Liquorice]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:18:51 GMT, Baz wrote:

> I have seen allotmenteers using petrol generators, an electric kettle
> and a lead lamp (an electrical lamp on a cable) . Most people have an
> electric kettle and a lead light. A petrol generator can be bought
> cheaper than £50.

That sort of little stinky two stroke generators are not that powerful,
800W tops. You'd have to make sure your kettle was suitably rated low
power one.

> I have a device that plugs into the cigar lighter in the car/van. Takes
> 10 mins per cup. It does not provide light though.

Yes, I have one as well, pays for itself quite quickly when not paying
£2.50 for a cup of coffee at service areas. They are quite a load though,
I'd be wary of flattening the car battery.

I can't see why you need a light on an allotment. Surely if it's dark
enough to need a light in the shed, it's also too dark to do any work?
Or are we thinking sheddie?

--
Cheers
Dave.

[Bob Hobden]

"Janet Tweedy" wrote

Depends how safe their site is.
Around here it seems allotment sheds are considered a good source of income
and I always recommend a trailer for the car rather than a shed as you can't
lock it ( they will break into it and damage it) or leave anything in it
anyway, a small trailer is also cheaper to buy, and can be used for carting
manure etc. as well as your tools. If a shed is needed as a place to go to
the loo then build a screen or do what I did and position the compost bins
strategically.

Personally, here, a good thermos flask would be a better bet.

I've mentioned it before but our site never had any problems until all the
"new" gardeners erected sheds, now it's almost like the villains have it
diarised. Another bigger site near here is always getting broken into by the
thieves cutting the posh metal railing fence (costs a fortune to replace)
and still they insist on filling their sheds with nice new goodies to tempt
them again and again.

Rant over!! :-)
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Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

[Baz]

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.com> wrote in
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> On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:18:51 GMT, Baz wrote:
>
>> I have seen allotmenteers using petrol generators, an electric kettle
>
>> and a lead lamp (an electrical lamp on a cable) . Most people have an
>
>> electric kettle and a lead light. A petrol generator can be bought
>> cheaper than �50.
>
> That sort of little stinky two stroke generators are not that powerful,
> 800W tops. You'd have to make sure your kettle was suitably rated low
> power one.

I have not looked that closely at the wattage. I have seen steam from
their kettle though.

>
>> I have a device that plugs into the cigar lighter in the car/van. Take
> s
>> 10 mins per cup. It does not provide light though.
>
> Yes, I have one as well, pays for itself quite quickly when not paying
> �2.50 for a cup of coffee at service areas. They are quite a load
though,
> I'd be wary of flattening the car battery.

Never flattened mine.

>
> I can't see why you need a light on an allotment. Surely if it's dark
> enough to need a light in the shed, it's also too dark to do any work?

We don't need to know why.

> Or are we thinking sheddie?

Loads of things to do in the shed when it's dark outside. Sheddie or not,
some people enjoy it, I know I sometimes like to be on my own for a
change.
Even chatting with friends over a cup of tea. Whatever turns you on. Some
people like trainspotting or stamp collecting, even gardening.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave.

Baz

[Baz]

"Bob Hobden" <Bo...@invalid.com> wrote in
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I agree with most of what you say. Bob.
Having a shed full of goodies is a bad idea. Almost as bad as having a car
with nickable things in it for all to see.
We don't give in to theives and stop owning cars do we. No, we still have
them, and most of us alarm them and put nickables away.
Cameras are the most successful way today, in the car, homes, sheds,
garages or on the street, used with forensic science. The theif is thinking
twice now that he is more likely to get caught. The more cameras the better
IMO.

Baz

[David Hill]

> Loads of things to do in the shed when it's dark outside. Sheddie or not,
> some people enjoy it, I know I sometimes like to be on my own for a
> change.
> Even chatting with friends over a cup of tea. Whatever turns you on. Some
> people like trainspotting or stamp collecting, even gardening.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave.
>
> Baz

Gardening?
Don't be stupid, squelching around in mud with dirty hands, getting
eaten alive and stung by creepy crawlies.
Planting things to feed slugs and birds.
Nahh!
No one in their right minds would do Gardening.

[David Hill]

On 23/12/2012 15:02, Sacha wrote:

> Camping gaz do a variety of stoves from a single ring on top of a small
> gas bottle to a sort of mini-barbecue arrangement.

I've used my gas rings in the back of a van, the back of the car (Not
when driving I must add).
It's quick and packs away when not in use so can stay in the back of the
car when not in use.

[Baz]

David Hill <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote in
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Yes, David, my fantasy got the better of me.

Baz

[David Hill]

Pst!!!
Want to buy some security cameras, going cheap,
Fell of the end of some poles.








Only joking.

[Bill Grey]

"David Hill" <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote in message
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Now you're talking Dave - a lot more sophisticated than my suggestion.
Mine is more portable (as far as the gas is concerned), but that might not
be a problem anyway.

Nice bit of kit thought.

Bill

[Baz]

David Hill <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote in

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As much as I like the Polish community, I would never buy anything which fell off of their ends.
Might just be me. But I don't like the shiny bits.

Baz

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 13:17, Graham Harrison wrote:
> If you have a source of paraffin then a Tilley Lamp
> http://www.camping-online.co.uk/outdoor-gas-and-petrol-lanterns/tilley-lamps-and-spares/tilley-storm-lantern-brass.html
> comes in a range of colours and suppliers. Last I looked for spares
> the manufacturer was in Belfast.
>
> And a Primus stove
> http://www.primus.eu/templates/pages/3_cols_white_middle.aspx?SectionId=5888
>

Yes, went down to Fox's at the bottom of the hill and got a primus stove
and also a lamp but the ones that run on those blue cylinders. many
thanks for everyone's suggestions. :)

They have really enjoyed their first year on the Shoreham Allotments, I
dug a couple of the beds but they were in good nick as an old lady had
looked after them for many years and had only just had to let them go
due to infirmity. They are allowed to have sheds and/or greenhouses so
they are luckier than those near me in Amersham
They are lucky also as they have the water tap at the corner of their
allotment

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 19:18, Bill Grey wrote:
> Now you're talking Dave - a lot more sophisticated than my suggestion.
> Mine is more portable (as far as the gas is concerned), but that might not
> be a problem anyway.
>
> Nice bit of kit thought.
>
> Bill

Now look here, they are supposed to be working on their plot not
rustling up three course meals!!

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 15:19, Pete C wrote:
> That's what I do. No way would I have a naked flame in a shed.
> -- Pete C

but they wouldn't they have a very small paved area outside the door so
they can use that:)

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 17:18, Baz wrote:
> I have a device that plugs into the cigar lighter in the car/van. Takes 10
> mins per cup. It does not provide light though.

Yes they could have a plug in one in the car but they are quite a way
from where the cars are parked. I've given them a gas ring and a lantern
and the receipt and let them solve the porblem :)

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 17:52, Dave Liquorice wrote:
> I can't see why you need a light on an allotment. Surely if it's dark
> enough to need a light in the shed, it's also too dark to do any work?
> Or are we thinking sheddie?

I was thinking of when they are loading up at the end or if they need
just to see in the shed as it's not got a window i don't think.

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 18:32, Janet wrote:
>> Depends how safe their site is.

> That was my first thought.
> I'd give them a couple of thermos flasks.
>
>
> Janet.
>
Very safe and two of the allotment holders live exactly opposite the
site. My brother is using my dad's old tools which is nice to know that
they are still being used ten years after he died !

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 19:05, Baz wrote:

> Cameras are the most successful way today, in the car, homes, sheds,
> garages or on the street, used with forensic science. The theif is thinking
> twice now that he is more likely to get caught. The more cameras the better
> IMO.
>
> Baz

My brother has a great battery operated camera that's infra red and he
uses that in the garden to film what enters the garden at night. It goes
off only with movement.and then can be shown on the computer in the
morning so I suspect he could set something like that on top of the shed
if he was worried :)

[David Hill]

But if they cook their veg on site they save transporting them home.

[Mike]

"David Hill" <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote in message

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and the next logical step would be to keep animals for the meat???

[David Hill]

You'd have to be very cack handed to burn down a shed using a gas ring,
now if you used a BBQ inside there would be more risk.

[Bill Grey]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message

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Never mind about reprimanding us.....put the kettle on!

Bill

[Bill Grey]

"'Mike'" <'All.finished'@woolies.com> wrote in message

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Chickens maybe ...:-)

Bill

[Bill Grey]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message

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This is beginning to sound like a Health and Safety lecture .

For goodness sake the lttle gas cookers are perfectly safe.

Bill

[Baz]

Janet Tweedy <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in

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That will please them. Well it would me. They might become sheddies. But
thats not too bad.

Baz

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 20:34, David Hill wrote:
> You'd have to be very cack handed to burn down a shed using a gas ring,
> now if you used a BBQ inside there would be more risk.

my son and his friend (both aged 9)once built a bonfire in our garage.
Luckily we found them before they lit it!!

[Janet Tweedy]

On 23/12/2012 20:31, David Hill wrote:
> But if they cook their veg on site they save transporting them home.

If they eat it, and unless they actually manage to 'eliminate' it surely
they take it home anyway ?
:)

[Christina Websell]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message
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> My brother and his wife have got a fairly new allotment and put up a shed
> in October. i was going to get them (for a christmas present) some means
> of boiling water so they could have some tea and maybe a light.
>
> Anyone recommend anything please?
>

> Janet

Calor is your friend for allotment sheds. You can get a small table top
camping stove with two burners or/and a calor gas light. both fueled by
bottles.

[David WE Roberts]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message
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> My brother and his wife have got a fairly new allotment and put up a shed
> in October. i was going to get them (for a christmas present) some means
> of boiling water so they could have some tea and maybe a light.
>
> Anyone recommend anything please?

One thing nobody has so far mentioned.
You can get a kettle with a hollow central tube which you fill with twigs
and then set fire to.
Boils water for a cuppa, and no need for gas or electricity.
Saw some lovely fancy ones in NZ.
A more boring one in Cotswold Outdoors.
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/kelly-kettle-base-camp-kettle-1-5ltr-stainless-steel-97310010?id_colour=180

"Never buy fuel again! A fiendishly simple idea, the Kelly Kettle is
basically a double-skinned metal chimney. Its tapering shape means a fire
lit beneath it in a vented metal base draws very efficiently and lights
easily, heating water which you pour into the chimney's hollow walls. Using
whatever solid fuel is naturally occuring in the area - sticks, grass, pine
cones, birch bark, even dry animal dung - the Kelly Kettle works in harsh
weather conditions, bringing water to the boil within a matter of minutes.

Boiling around 6 Mugs of water at a time, the Base Camp Kettle has
traditionally been used by Irish Anglers but is also suitable for car
camping, garden allotments, picnics, hunting trips and wilderness survival
or even use by humanitarian aid groups: anyone living and working in the
outdoors!"

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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[Janet Tweedy]

On 24/12/2012 18:04, David WE Roberts wrote:
> Boiling around 6 Mugs of water at a time, the Base Camp Kettle has
> traditionally been used by Irish Anglers but is also suitable for car
> camping, garden allotments, picnics, hunting trips and wilderness
> survival or even use by humanitarian aid groups: anyone living and
> working in the outdoors!"

Thnaks David a trifl;e on the expensive side for a cup of tea (�54 ) but
a good idea!