Chain Saw Required
Janet
borrow for the weekend. We live in Burton on Trent area.
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JB
Nick Maclaren
In article <3d74e...@news1.vip.uk.com>,
"Janet" <janet....@pgen.net> writes:
|> My next door neighbour wishes to know, if anyone has a chain saw that he may
|> borrow for the weekend. We live in Burton on Trent area.
Well, we have one he could have - but, as I bear him no malice,
I recommend that he does not take the offer up. It came from
my father-in-law, and some of his machinery was (a) bought
before modern safety regulations and (b) a little the worse for
being stored in a leaky shed since then.
On another matter, I have a couple of dozen 3'x2'x2" concrete
paving slabs going free to the first collector. Hell, I will
throw in some beer - you will need it after shifting a few :-)
Between Great Shelford and Trumpington.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren,
University of Cambridge Computing Service,
New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England.
Email: nm...@cam.ac.uk
Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679
William Tasso
Your neighbour is (of course) aware of the health and safety requirements
when using a chain saw and is (obviously) equipped with the necessary safety
clothing and equipment.
they could just pop down to the local tool hire emporium
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Mike
Andrew
> > borrow for the weekend. We live in Burton on Trent area.
>
> to/from total strangers, because of the safety risk from a misused
> machine.
>
> He can hire a checked and maintained one easily from a reputable hire
> centre, along with the essential safety equipment...
But unless he's been trained in how they should be used, he probably
shouldn't. Chainsaws can be nasty things, especially if the user doesn't
have both feet firmly planted on the ground.
Janet
informed by the hire company that you needed a licence etc. before they
would hire one out to you. Told my next door neighbour this, but told him
I'd post the question, to see what response I'd get. Amazing though how you
can just buy one from Argos.
Nick Maclaren
Yes. A plague on politicians, bureaucrats and related lawyers.
In case it isn't clear, the standard advice is to get a decent
sized bow saw. It is actually quicker to cut down and cut up
a fair sized tree with a bow saw than it is to hire, set up,
use and return a chain saw - even ignoring the safety aspect.
You don't need to be a regular user, nor an expert, and they
are pretty safe.
My view is that, unless you are cutting SEVERAL TONS of wood a
year, a chain saw is at best a waste of time and unnecessary
hassle. And at worst a lethal mistake.
Sean McCabe
snip
<< My view is that, unless you are cutting SEVERAL TONS of wood a
year, a chain saw is at best a waste of time and unnecessary
hassle. And at worst a lethal mistake.
>>
Unless you are felling trees or cutting large
amounts of cordwood, a small electric chainsaw
can be quite handy for cutting small batches of
firewood or for winter pruning. Most types
nowadays are equipped with both chain brakes
and anti-kickback chains, and they are not nearly
as cumbersome and dangerous as gas models.
Sean
Andrew
> amounts of cordwood, a small electric chainsaw
> can be quite handy for cutting small batches of
> firewood or for winter pruning. Most types
> nowadays are equipped with both chain brakes
> and anti-kickback chains, and they are not nearly
> as cumbersome and dangerous as gas models.
Which, as others have pointed out in the past, is part of their danger.
I own an electric chainsaw (having been trained to use big pertrol saws)
and it is easy to assume that it is an oversized power tool - it's even
made by Black & Decker. No!
Modern electric chainsaws are perfectly safe, but you need to approach
them as if you were using an 18 inch petrol saw, that is, very carefully
and after proper training. Contact your nearest agricultural college
which should be able to inform you about training courses. Failing that,
look for a smallholders group.
Alan Holmes
"Nick Maclaren" <nm...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>
> In article <3d763...@news2.vip.uk.com>, "Janet" <janet....@pgen.net>
writes:
> |> Thanks for advice. I know when we tried to hire one ourselves, I was
> |> informed by the hire company that you needed a licence etc. before they
> |> would hire one out to you. Told my next door neighbour this, but told
him
> |> I'd post the question, to see what response I'd get. Amazing though
how you
> |> can just buy one from Argos.
>
> Yes. A plague on politicians, bureaucrats and related lawyers.
>
> In case it isn't clear, the standard advice is to get a decent
> sized bow saw. It is actually quicker to cut down and cut up
> a fair sized tree with a bow saw than it is to hire, set up,
> use and return a chain saw - even ignoring the safety aspect.
> You don't need to be a regular user, nor an expert, and they
> are pretty safe.
I agree, I do have a chainsaw but it's a right nuisance to set up, I saw a
bowsaw
in a shop in Weston-super-Mare a few years ago and as it was _very_ cheap
I swallowed my pride and bought one, I was amazed at how efficient it was,
it
was easier and more convenient to use than the chain saw.
> My view is that, unless you are cutting SEVERAL TONS of wood a
> year, a chain saw is at best a waste of time and unnecessary
> hassle. And at worst a lethal mistake.
Alan
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Robbo
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg317.pdf
"Janet" <janet....@pgen.net> wrote in message
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michael adams
Apologies to anyone from Wisbech and to the majority who've probably
heard it before
A fenman comes into a small legacy and sets himself up as a
landscaping contractor. The first job he gets involves clearing a site
in Gloucestershire of over 50 mature trees. Never having seen that
many trees before in one place, he goes to a local hire-shop and
explains his predicament. " I waarnt summut as'll cutdown these ere 50
trees in three days" . "Oh yes sir that's no problem ", says the
assistant as he points him towards the range of chainsaws arranged on
the shelf. After much humming and hawwing the fenman leaves the shop
with the most powerful saw in the shop, a petrol driven Maxi Rip Plus.
Three days later he brings the chain saw back to the shop covered in
wood chips and dust, but he immediately collars the assistant. "Oi
fought you said I could cut down 50 trees in 3 days with this ere saw
- I only done twenny and that were with working all night aas well."
The assistant takes the saw from him, and gives it a quick look over,
"well sir it appears to be alright, lets just see if the mechanism's
o.k shall we?" With which he starts up the chainsaw up right there in
the shop. " Oh moi Good Lord" says the fenman jumping back " wheres
all that racket coming frrrommmm"
Michael Adams (not from Wisbech)
Simon Avery
Hello Janet
J> Thanks for advice. I know when we tried to hire one
J> ourselves, I was informed by the hire company that you
J> needed a licence etc. before they would hire one out to you.
J> Told my next door neighbour this, but told him I'd post the
J> question, to see what response I'd get. Amazing though how
J> you can just buy one from Argos.
The old "a chainsaw is a chainsaw is a chainsaw" mode of thinking.
They come from the little 8" electric ones from Argos up to 8' 150cc
saws, and even some specialist 2-man chainsaws larger than that.
Fwiw, as someone who used saws professionally for 8 years, I still
refuse to loan mine to anyone. I've seen what they can do and I
applaud the hire centre for their rules.
Seriously, chainsaws are lethal if you don't know what you're doing.
Nick's got it right - tell him to use a bow saw, or hire
professionals.
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Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK İ http://www.digdilem.org/
DaveDay34
loan mine to anyone. I've seen what they can do and I applaud the hire centre
for their rules.
Seriously, chainsaws are lethal if you don't know what you're doing.
Nick's got it right - tell him to use a bow saw, or hire
professionals.
>Simon Avery, Dartmoor, UK İ http://www.digdilem.org/
I'm aware that I need a licence to use a chainsaw, and I was going to contact
someone in the arboriculture department at college about doing a chainsaw
course so I'd know what I was doing and be 'safe'.
I'm taking a year out to do some landscaping and garden work to get some money
behind me for when I do the second year of my course. Being able to work on
trees with a small chainsaw would have financial implications for me (positive)
over using a bow saw or other hand tools.
I'd also like to say that I also have public liability insurance and that I'm
not some 'cowboy' lanscaper/gardener. As I wasn't looking to work primarily as
a tree surgeon I was merely trying to keep costs down by getting hold of a
second-hand chainsaw rather than buying a new one.
FWIW
Dave.
Andrew
> someone in the arboriculture department at college about doing a chainsaw
> course so I'd know what I was doing and be 'safe'.
I'm fairly sure you don't need a licence, but I am absolutely certain
that you (or anyone) needs proper training. Doing a course will also
give you confidence that you're working safely, and that helps too. Does
your public liability insurance cover using a chainsaw? You might want
to check... Good luck.
DaveDay34
(or anyone) needs proper training. Doing a course will also give you confidence
that you're working safely, and that helps too. Does your public liability
insurance cover using a chainsaw? You might want to check... Good luck.
>
>
>
me. Sorry about the confusion over having a chainsaw 'license'.
I understand that you need to do a course and 'pass' it giving you a
certificate to say that you're 'profficient'. Anyone looking to do any paid
work using a chainsaw needs one of these certificates. Any employer also has a
responsibility to ensure anyone working for them with a chainsaw has such a
certificate.
There are also no 'grandfather rights'. This means that just because you've
used a chainsaw for the last 30 years (or whatever) you don't automatically get
a certificate. You still have to do a course and pas it.
I'm sure there are loads more regulations, exceptions, variations for this,
that, and the other, but this will probably be enough for most people. I hope
it helps.
Dave.
Simon Avery
Hello DaveDay34
D> I'm aware that I need a licence to use a chainsaw, and I was
Actually, unless things have changed in the past few years, I don't
think you do need a licence for private use. You do if you intend to
charge people for the work (as you do below), and public liability
insurance is probably also required. Like I say, I've been out the
scene for a long time and our present government does seem to like
adding new laws...
I think Andrews still in the job, so his info will be more up to date.
D> going to contact someone in the arboriculture department at
D> college about doing a chainsaw course so I'd know what I was
D> doing and be 'safe'.
Excellent idea!
D> I'm taking a year out to do some landscaping and garden work
D> to get some money behind me for when I do the second year of
D> my course. Being able to work on trees with a small
D> chainsaw would have financial implications for me (positive)
D> over using a bow saw or other hand tools.
Definately, and they save an awful lot of time.
D> I'd also like to say that I also have public liability
D> insurance and that I'm not some 'cowboy' lanscaper/gardener.
D> As I wasn't looking to work primarily as a tree surgeon I
D> was merely trying to keep costs down by getting hold of
D> a second-hand chainsaw rather than buying a new one.
Ack, apologies if I went off a bit strong, but there's no way to check
the ability or intention of people in usenet. :)
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