OT clearing jackdaw`s nest
Kate Morgan
the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering
:-)
kate
Sacha
Morgan" <katem...@btinternet.com> wrote:
I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes,
or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds
very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future
use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be
pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands,
either!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)
Mike
"Sacha" <sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BF96A458.22FEA%sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk...
Oh dear :-(( ONCE AGIAN Sacha pokes her nose into something she knows sod
all about. This just happens to be a common practice and the fact that you
have not done it, does NOT mean it shouldn't be done.
Or are you a skilled builder and reconstruction and renovation specialist
now as well?
Kate ignore her and get your local builder in to have a look. Listen to him
because if he is LOCAL he would no doubt have done it before.
And no, huge great holes are NOT going to be made in the chimney breast in
the roof/loft space, they are large enough to get a hand holding a handbag
mirror in and then shining a torch light onto the mirror, the light is
reflected around to see where the nest is. THEN, possibly another small hole
is made in the vacinity of the nest.
Sacha. Shut up.
Kate Morgan
n...@here.thank.you says...
Jaques d'Alltrades
from Sacha <sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes,
> or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds
> very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future
> use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be
> pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands,
> either!
Should be quite safe as long as the chimney isn't a free-standing one,
but it's knowing just where the nest is. Without measuring from the top
you're unlikely to know, and in any case, a house that old tends to have
a fair height of chimney above the roof level, so I wouldn't think an
assault from the loft would be rewarding.
--
Rusty
horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
Jaques d'Alltrades
from "Mike" <n...@here.thank.you> contains these words:
> Oh dear :-(( ONCE AGIAN Sacha pokes her nose into something she knows sod
> all about. This just happens to be a common practice and the fact that you
> have not done it, does NOT mean it shouldn't be done.
Well, I would bet a pound to a penny that it should *NOT* be done, not
from the safety point of view, but because the nest is bound to be
several feet above any hole you could make into the flue from the loft.
> Or are you a skilled builder and reconstruction and renovation specialist
> now as well?
Well, I am, if Sacha isn't.
> Kate ignore her and get your local builder in to have a look. Listen to him
> because if he is LOCAL he would no doubt have done it before.
With that I wouldn't take issue.
> And no, huge great holes are NOT going to be made in the chimney breast in
> the roof/loft space, they are large enough to get a hand holding a handbag
> mirror in and then shining a torch light onto the mirror, the light is
> reflected around to see where the nest is. THEN, possibly another small hole
> is made in the vacinity of the nest.
Which is sure to be well out of reach.
> Sacha. Shut up.
It would make a nice change if you weren't so needlessly offensive.
Mike
"Jaques d'Alltrades" <rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> wrote in message
news:3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok...
> The message <BF96A458.22FEA%sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> > I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large
holes,
> > or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds
> > very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the
future
> > use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot
be
> > pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of
hands,
> > either!
>
> Should be quite safe as long as the chimney isn't a free-standing one,
> but it's knowing just where the nest is. Without measuring from the top
> you're unlikely to know, and in any case, a house that old tends to have
> a fair height of chimney above the roof level, so I wouldn't think an
> assault from the loft would be rewarding.
>
> --
Thus the local builder who would have done it more times than Sacha had
written 'Gardening For Beginners'
Sacha
"Jaques d'Alltrades" <rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> wrote:
> The message <BF96A458.22FEA%sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> I really do hope you are NOT going to allow someone to chisel large holes,
>> or any holes, in the chimney of an old house like that, however. Sounds
>> very dangerous to me in terms of the fabric of the building and the future
>> use of the chimney. Jackdaw nests that have blocked your chimney cannot be
>> pulled out a stick at a time through a hole that will admit a pair of hands,
>> either!
>
> Should be quite safe as long as the chimney isn't a free-standing one,
> but it's knowing just where the nest is. Without measuring from the top
> you're unlikely to know, and in any case, a house that old tends to have
> a fair height of chimney above the roof level, so I wouldn't think an
> assault from the loft would be rewarding.
Yes. Having renovated/restored four houses now, three of them quite old, I
have some glimmering of how not to go about amateur meddling. Messing about
with chimneys on a three storey house of considerable age is not to be
undertaken lightly.
David
<katem...@btinternet.com> writes
wouldn't go knocking holes in the chimney breast unless you really know
what you are getting into, having dismantled a few chimneys... they can
be of all sorts of shapes, sizes and of a varying thickness so I would
use this idea as almost a last resort (the last would be dismantling it)
HTH
--
David
Mike
"David" <da...@chapelllhouse.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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especially if the property has been in the hands of a DIY Renovator/Restorer
:-((
My present hose had been in the hands of one of those and he/she removed the
chimney breast from the rooms below and left the chimney stack in the roof
supported on a length of 3 x 2 stretched across the rafters!! Now removed.
The previous house was the same. 'Electrical rewire' and cables going ACROSS
the joists and floorboards laid across those. We wondered what the burning
smell was!! Same house. Partition to make a passageway to the extension and
new bedrooms at the back made of 'any old timber' bodged together. We
wondered why they rocked and were not too secure.
Get the oldest builder you can find. Not some of these "We do everything.
Plumbing, Gardening, Electrical, Extensions" and by 'oldest builder', I mean
the oldest "established" builder in your area.
People have taken great delight in jumping on me as though I talk crap.
Sorry but I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt, nearly had my
house burnt down, nearly had a chimney stack through the roof, thanks to DIY
ers who 'have done it before so we know what we are doing' ..... Yes Sacha
YOU
Mike
Kate Morgan
da...@chapelllhouse.demon.co.uk says...
I am an OAP and I dont think I could knock the skin of a rice pudding -
not really that feeble and I would eat the rice pudding skin especially
if it were burnt - but thank you for your concern and interest, it will
be local builder and raiding the piggy bank I think :-)
kate
Sacha
dkse3n$oj3$1...@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com, "Mike"
<n...@here.thank.you> wrote:
<snip>
>
> People have taken great delight in jumping on me as though I talk crap.
> Sorry but I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt, nearly had my
> house burnt down, nearly had a chimney stack through the roof, thanks to DIY
> ers who 'have done it before so we know what we are doing' ..... Yes Sacha
> YOU
>
> Mike
>
>
You are utterly ridiculous, as is all too usual with you. You think I "Did
It Myself"? How stupid of you to make assumptions but how typical.
I employed professionals on each project and at every stage. I didn't
wield so much as a screwdriver myself. People jump on you because you talk
crap 99.9% of the time, you tell lies and you boast endlessly about how
wonderful you are, how successful, how clever and how popular etc. It falls
firmly into the category of the "fool doth protest too much" and "when a man
speaks of his honour, make him pay cash".
Sacha
Morgan" <katem...@btinternet.com> wrote:
<snip>
> I am an OAP and I dont think I could knock the skin of a rice pudding -
> not really that feeble and I would eat the rice pudding skin especially
> if it were burnt - but thank you for your concern and interest, it will
> be local builder and raiding the piggy bank I think :-)
>
Kate, one more thing with regard to this. Do check your insurance policy or
give your insurers a ring. Most want to be told when you have builders in
or any work is going on. They may not be bothered if it's all external work
but it's worth a phone call to check. The last place I did had builders all
over it for about 4 months and my insurers needed notice of that, certainly.
It's not worth risking your money for the sake of a phone call!
BAC
I'm surprised you rose to the bait, since Mike's comment was clearly
intended to needle you.
Anyway, it's sound advice to consult a competent professional on property
matters. It might even prevent unpleasant surprises, like finding out after
purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing adequate
support for the chimney stacks :-)
Sacha
<cass...@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
I think Mike assumes that everyone is in the same situation as himself, in
fact, so he extrapolates from his own life to theirs. I think it's also
worth reminding the group from time to time that he is a liar and a
troublemaker - after all, the newbies do get sucked in by him from time to
time.
>
> Anyway, it's sound advice to consult a competent professional on property
> matters. It might even prevent unpleasant surprises, like finding out after
> purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing adequate
> support for the chimney stacks :-)
>
I have actually known that happen to one person - luckily they weren't
living in the house when most of the chimney arrived in their living room.
;-(
michael adams
"Kate Morgan" <katem...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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You haven't said if you've tried any other chimney sweeps.
I stand to be corrected, but I don't think chimney sweeps charge
for giving estimates. And so apart from the possible inconvenience of having
loads of extra strangers visiting your home, which you might not welcome,
otherwise there's no harm in you asking any number of reputable chimney
sweeps to have a look. ( Just don't ask me how you discover whether
they're reputable or not.) And give you their opinion. If you look chimney
sweeps up in Yellow pages you might be able to discuss your problem over
the phone. It may be that the first one you asked had an over cautious
attitude, or simply didn't want the extra work involved. In this day
and age, I would imagine nowadays a real professional outfit would have
some sort of camera mounted on the end of their rods along with a light
which they could use to inspect the chimney. If local grocery stores can
afford cameras to catch shoplifters, you'd imagine a sweep could as well.
Chimney sweeps rather than builders should be the specialists for
problems of this kind. And if they know what they're doing, and have
the right equipment, they may be able to do the job in no time
without making a meal of it, or charging you the earth.
Whereas if you ask a builder, no matter how old he is etc. etc.
he has an incentive to make a meal of it by erecting scaffolding
and making as much of a fuss, and charging as much, as he can.
In my opinion at least, there's no harm in asking around.
michael adams
...
Mike
AND dares to call me a liar!! Yes I did ONCE lie on a newsgroup, possibly
this one, and our bosom friend Andy Mabbett jumped up and down with glee and
STILL likes to quote it :-)))
Mike
Who never knowingly tells lies
Does he Mabbett?
Mike
> purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing
adequate
> support for the chimney stacks :-)
>
>
Thank you. As I quoted in my house :-(((
David
<n...@here.thank.you> writes
But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an
unpleasant bully
--
David
Mike
> But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an
> unpleasant bully
>
> --
> David
"BULLY"???????
That title can be made on "The Owners" who tell others what they can do and
what they cannot do. "Do as I say, not as I do" appears to be their motto.
"I've been gardening since Adam and I know all there is to know. How dare
you question what I say. I don't care if you are doing an RHS Course"
Have you seen that thread from the Barrowcloth?
"I have rebuilt umpteen houses so I know what I am talking about. How dare
you give advice when I know everything to do with rebuilding houses"
Yes that as well
As I said once before, "Aggression and Control" in gardening seems a little
strange to me in what is a very close contact with nature. But then the
penny dropped, these are people used to being aggressive and 'Controlling
nature to how THEY want things to be in the garden and greenhouse, so it
spills out here.
Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside
with the muddy boots, control and aggression"
:-))
Mike
Who doesn't knowingly tell lies
Does he Mabbett?
Mike Lyle
[...]
> Whereas if you ask a builder, no matter how old he is etc. etc.
> he has an incentive to make a meal of it by erecting scaffolding
> and making as much of a fuss, and charging as much, as he can.
[Sharp intake of breath] Good job you called me in, love! Those
chimneys need repointing all over or they'll come through the roof in
the next gale, and I don't know who did that flashing, but I can tell
without looking you've got leaks into the attic: next thing, it'll be
rot in the timbers, if it hasn't started already, shouldn't wonder.
And the TV aerial! Blimey, what a mess! Too many cowboys around these
days. You do know about those loose slates, don't you? While we're up
there, it won't cost you much more to fit a nice Velux roof-light:
make that attic into a lovely extra room. Plasterboard lining, bit of
flooring...
--
Mike.
Mike
"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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THAT is why I advocated an old reliable LOCAL builder who is known, knows
the property, and knows the area.
Jumping on the 'Let's see if we can argue with everyone' Band Wagon are we?
Sad :-((
David
<n...@here.thank.you> writes
quite nicely in a lot of your posts, no wonder you run an ex servicemens
group, you must have fitted in very well while you were in. The sooner
they bring back conscription the better eh?
and the infantile mispronunciation of surnames... I left that sort of
thing in the playground, why don't you try growing up a little?
--
David
Mike
:-((
Oh dear David. Been listening too much to "The Owners". Not done you any
good at all.
:-((
BAC
"Mike" <n...@here.thank.you> wrote in message
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The old proverb, 'look before you leap' is most appropriate where property
purchase is concerned :-)
Mike Lyle
[...]
> Jumping on the 'Let's see if we can argue with everyone' Band Wagon
> are we? Sad :-((
I'm regretting replying to you even before I get well started. But I
was, in fact, not arguing but agreeing.
La puce
Kate Morgan wrote:
> I am an OAP and I dont think I could knock the skin of a rice pudding -
> not really that feeble and I would eat the rice pudding skin especially
> if it were burnt - but thank you for your concern and interest, it will
> be local builder and raiding the piggy bank I think :-)
Hello Kate. My 4 pennies worth ....
My builders just left last week end after 6 weeks doing my loft. I live
in a edwardian house 103 years old 3 storeys and we had 3 velux in, 2
large windows from roof to floor level and we're really happy. However,
please call someone in to be with you when the builders come around so
that another pair of ears can understand what needs doing and explain
the job at hand. We're just over 3 thousand pounds on our budget
because of 'these little extra things' like chimney mortar turning into
dust as soon as you touch the bricks. Didn't sound like a big deal -
but it costed us a lot.
These birds of yours might cost you more than you might have in the
piggy bank. I was surprised at the amount the contractors wanted!! Good
luck.
Mike
"La puce" <hel...@rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
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I wholeheartedly agree with you, but would add the proviso that 'everything'
is done to a quote and a written one at that. Yes I am well aware that
'hidden' things can be found when a floorboard is lifted or the wallpaper
taken off an old wall, but even there, a written quote should be provided
and a reputable builder/decorator/plaster/electrician/plumber will be happy
to provide one, and Kate, do you know the difference between a quote and an
estimate? Please excuse me if you do, but a quote is a fixed price and an
estimate is variable and by no fixed amount. ALL of the jobs I have done are
on a fixed quote and none of them have been over budget. New roof, new
kitchen in a new place and another room made from the old kitchen, all
windows replaced with double glazed ones, full central heating etc etc. BUT,
ALL of the work is done by local reputable tradesmen and craftsmen, many I
know socially and have worked with on other projects. That is why I
emphisise the local man, who is well established. Now the experts who have
done it before will rip me to shreds :-))
Carry on. YOU have the last silly word
Mike
Jaques d'Alltrades
from Sacha <sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> > Anyway, it's sound advice to consult a competent professional on property
> > matters. It might even prevent unpleasant surprises, like finding
> > out after
> > purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing
> > adequate
> > support for the chimney stacks :-)
> >
> I have actually known that happen to one person - luckily they weren't
> living in the house when most of the chimney arrived in their living room.
I know someone else who had that (though not the falling bit) - but
fortunately, when he came to buy the house he got loads knocked-off the
selling price.
And I was talking to someone else who said they'd removed the
chimneybreast downstairs. I said I hoped it was properly supported and
she replied: "Oh yes, there's a JCB holding it up."
Well, it's got a 'J' in it innit.
Jaques d'Alltrades
from "Mike" <n...@here.thank.you> contains these words:
> Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside
> with the muddy boots, control and aggression"
So, if you're not a gardener, it's OK to bring the aggression in, then?
Jaques d'Alltrades
from "Mike" <n...@here.thank.you> contains these words:
> My present hose had been in the hands of one of those
TMI!
Sacha
"Jaques d'Alltrades" <rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> wrote:
> The message <BF9789A1.23174%sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk>
> from Sacha <sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>>> Anyway, it's sound advice to consult a competent professional on property
>>> matters. It might even prevent unpleasant surprises, like finding
>>> out after
>>> purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing
>>> adequate
>>> support for the chimney stacks :-)
>>>
>> I have actually known that happen to one person - luckily they weren't
>> living in the house when most of the chimney arrived in their living room.
>
> I know someone else who had that (though not the falling bit) - but
> fortunately, when he came to buy the house he got loads knocked-off the
> selling price.
>
> And I was talking to someone else who said they'd removed the
> chimneybreast downstairs. I said I hoped it was properly supported and
> she replied: "Oh yes, there's a JCB holding it up."
>
> Well, it's got a 'J' in it innit.
Make a lovely coffee table if looked at in a certain light......
Janet Baraclough
from Sacha <sa...@gardenweedws506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
People jump on you because you talk
> crap 99.9% of the time, you tell lies and you boast endlessly about how
> wonderful you are,
Mon dieu, 'ow spooky
It falls
> firmly into the category of the "fool doth protest too much" and "when a man
> speaks of his honour, make him pay cash".
Not to mention, "Those who lie with dogs, get fleas".
Janet
Mike
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
I trust that you have learnt that from your own personal experience :-((
Sacha
Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Coincidences are a bugger, aren't they?
Mike Lyle
> On 9/11/05 17:03, in article
3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk,
> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not to mention, "Those who lie with dogs, get fleas".
>>
>
> Coincidences are a bugger, aren't they?
Mais enfin, est-ce-qu'elle a du chien?
--
Mike.
Janet Baraclough
from "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> contains these words:
Only a French bitch.
Janet
La puce
Janet Baraclough wrote:
> Not to mention, "Those who lie with dogs, get fleas".
Pretty fleas, please. Not ugly fat ones.
middleton.walker
>
> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>> Not to mention, "Those who lie with dogs, get fleas".
>
> flies instead of fleas?
>
>
La puce
Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message <3tersdF...@individual.net>
> from "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> contains these words:
> > Mais enfin, est-ce-qu'elle a du chien?
> Only a French bitch.
Actually I have two Belgium Shepherd bitches, beautiful Tervuren they
are. I have sadly lost my 15 years old bitch Bodecia Beauregard last
year.
But if I may add, their breath are hugely better than yours, Janet :o)
middleton.walker
ooh la la...aint we geting ugly once again
>
Judith Lea
puce <hel...@rudlin.co.uk> writes
>Pretty fleas, please. Not ugly fat ones.
>
this stupid retort - I am surprised and ashamed of you.
--
Judith Lea
La puce
Judith Lea wrote:
> That's enough - what on earth are we teaching our children when we read
> this stupid retort - I am surprised and ashamed of you.
I CERTAINLY I HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH TOO. Why is it that I'm being called
a French bitch and YOU say nothing?
WHY IS IT that nobody says anything when a poster get a post with
'those who lie with dogs gets fleas? WHY IS IT that YOU don't say
anything when I'm being called 'une chienne?'.
YES. I HAD ENOUGH and I am truly sorry if you think calling Janet a fat
ugly cow really bothers you. MIKE LYLE, SACHA and JANET BARACLOUGH are
giving me a hard time over nothing. If I receive one more post with a
rude or abusive words in it I will make a complaint. Janet will not get
away with it this time as she did in February 2004.
middleton.walker
'.
>
> YES. I HAD ENOUGH and I am truly sorry if you think calling Janet a fat
> ugly cow really bothers you. MIKE LYLE, SACHA and JANET BARACLOUGH are
> giving me a hard time over nothing. If I receive one more post with a
> rude or abusive words in it I will make a complaint. Janet will not get
> away with it this time as she did in February 2004.
>
I suspect that complaints will get you nowhere at all.....perhaps a few more
derogatory remarks maybe!!!!!!!!!
La puce
middleton.walker wrote:
> I suspect that complaints will get you nowhere at all.....perhaps a few more
> derogatory remarks maybe!!!!!!!!!
Like being called a French bitch you mean?
middleton.walker
I remember a ditty from my youth....."Sticks and stones will hurt my bones
but names will not hurt me".....also, I believe..."It takes one to know
one"...a number of times I have been called an 'a-hole'...it distubed me
naught at all as I knew 'from whence it came.....a real a-hole.....
>
La puce
middleton.walker wrote:
> ooh la la...aint we geting ugly once again
Well, if you pull the tail of the tiger, you'll see the teeth :o)
middleton.walker
>
> middleton.walker wrote:
>> ooh la la...aint we geting ugly once again
>
> Well, if you pull the tail of the tiger, you'll see the teeth :o)
So the message be......'do not pull the tiger's tail'
>
Kate Morgan
:-(((
kate
middleton.walker
"Kate Morgan" <katem...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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What the hec Kate.....it gave a little spice to the cake
Nick Maclaren
In article <s_SdnVYaktl...@comcast.com>,
"middleton.walker" <middleto...@comcast.net> writes:
|> "La puce" <hel...@rudlin.co.uk> wrote in message
|> >
|> >> ooh la la...aint we geting ugly once again
|> >
|>
|> So the message be......'do not pull the tiger's tail'
... pull its teeth.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Sacha
1131626306.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "La puce"
<hel...@rudlin.co.uk> wrote:
Let's see if you can get what you call 'nothing' is actually about.
Janet posted some harmless remark about 'hit and miss gardening' and you
immediately pounced on it to insult her.
You gave somebody some misinformation and Janet posted contradicting and
correcting that misinformation. You then went into a tearing rage with
Janet for daring to do that and decided to rake up old sores to promote your
imagined superiority to one of the most experienced and valuable members of
urg and to avenge yourself.
When it was pointed out to you that your information was not good, you kept
insisting that it was and that everyone else was wrong, until it was
irrefutably shown to you that in fact, YOU were wrong.
You also allied yourself with Mike Crowe in insulting people and posted
something very rude and derogatory about Janet, laughing with Mike, a
deeply unpopular man on here, about your 'cleverness' in constructing those
insults. That was indeed a bitchy act and Janet's reference to those who lie
with dogs getting fleas is an American expression which pretty much
translates as "you're known by the company you keep". You link up with
Crowe to insult people here, you risk getting the brush off he gets from
most of us. He's using you. Your problem.
At the same time, you were reminded by me for the *second* time that you had
stated quite flatly that you were not going to argue with Janet any further
and IIRC, were going to ignore her. I reminded you of that, so you got into
another childish temper and hurled more insults about, finally dragging in
my husband and his business. You seem to think that this group has to put
up with your temper and ego and allow you to give others duff advice,
without correction AND that we have to put up with you throwing your toys
out of the pram when someone who knows a lot more than you, tells others
that you're wrong. None of your behaviour amounts to 'nothing', I assure
you.
FYI, I would say that almost every single one of us has been corrected by
the others at some point or other, probably more than once, too. That is
why this is a *discussion* group, not a 'holding forth' group.
Now, if you want to go ahead and make complaints about people who are tired
of your way of conducting yourself here, go right ahead. There will be a
few people more than ready to show WHY we are tired of it and back it up
with copies of your shouting, insulting, screaming posts. There might even
be a few complaints about your continued attempts to disrupt this group for
your own ends.
I think the responses you've received have been very mild when I look back
at how you've behaved. On some other groups your cyber skin would have been
flayed off your back for carrying on in this way.
I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, figure out what being a member
of a group actually means and start again.
Sacha
"Kate Morgan" <katem...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Don't worry - someone would have eventually. ;-))
La puce
Kate Morgan wrote:
> wish I had never mentioned the blooming jackdaws, mutter mutter mutter
> :-(((
Ho don't. I apologise about this nonsense. This forum is a very strange
place indeed. I keep receiving private emails with encouragements,
stories about Janet and Sacha and their respective mignons.
It's beyond belief. I will however ignore them and carry on because
I've made lovely friends and I quite enjoy reading lots of stuff. If I
can contribute, I will and Janet nor Sacha will stop me.
I hope your jackdaw project goes well. Bonne chance.
Sacha
1131629610.3...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "La puce"
<hel...@rudlin.co.uk> wrote:
And even more 'well done', Puce. I could name two of the people emailing
you with encouragement right now, if I chose to do so. They're both bores
and malcontents and of course, as they're resorting to winding you up behind
the scenes, cowards. But as you are hell bent on being someone whose sole
aim is to wreck this group with this sort of repetitively divisive
behaviour, I will leave you and them to well-deserved obscurity, despite
your all having egos the size of a small planet.
Mike
member
> of a group actually means and start again.
> --
Kettle
Black
Mike
> your all having egos the size of a small planet.
> --
> Sacha
> www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> South Devon
> (remove the weeds to email me)
>
Please don't slam the door, thump upstairs or stamp your foot like a silly
schoolgirl. You're a big girl now
Mike Lyle
[...]
> MIKE LYLE, SACHA and JANET
Huh? Me?
--
Mike.
middleton.walker
"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3th7vnF...@individual.net...
> not understand
>
La puce
Mike Lyle wrote:
> Huh? Me?
Well yes, I was surprised because you are a nice guy but why did you
write 'Est ce qu'elle a du chien?' then. And then Sacha said 'French
bitch' :o(
middleton.walker
La puce
middleton.walker wrote:
> > Mike Lyle wrote:
> >> Huh? Me?
> >
> > Well yes, I was surprised because you are a nice guy but why did you
> > write 'Est ce qu'elle a du chien?' then. And then Sacha said 'French
> > bitch' :o(
> >
> Oh Mike just wished to practice his French
Hmmm.... I've just re-read this part of the conversation and it does
seem strange that the 'dog', then 'fleas', then 'bitch' kinda ran in a
proper order.
Still, I'd be too happy to help anyone practice its French :o)
Mike Lyle
> Mike Lyle wrote:
>
>> Huh? Me?
>
> Well yes, I was surprised because you are a nice guy but why did
you
Oh, dear! Is it an insult? I thought it was an innocent bit of slangy
stuff, even rather complimentary...I rush to my dictionnaires...nope:
seems all right. Perhaps it's changed since then, and must serve as a
warning not to mess around in other people's languages.
--
Mike.
Jaques d'Alltrades
from nm...@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
> .... pull its teeth.
Do pullets have teeth?
--
Rusty
horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
middleton.walker
I think I could use some help....I was just asked something like...vouley
vous me couche....at least that is what it sounded like...never did find out
what she meant...H
>
La puce
Mike Lyle wrote:
> Oh, dear! Is it an insult? I thought it was an innocent bit of slangy
> stuff, even rather complimentary...I rush to my dictionnaires...nope:
> seems all right. Perhaps it's changed since then, and must serve as a
> warning not to mess around in other people's languages.
LOL! But you are right!!! Off course you are!!! And I'm so bloooody
glad for it. You see, I must have descended into a really dark place
because some people in here have dragged me down like [c e n s o r e
d] and they know who they are.
But off course. I don't know you all well in here yet - given the
onslaught of rubbish I've received, I'm not sure who's pleasant or not
or who's taking the peeth :o)
La puce
middleton.walker wrote:
> > Still, I'd be too happy to help anyone practice its French :o)
>
> I think I could use some help....I was just asked something like...vouley
> vous me couche....at least that is what it sounded like...never did find out
> what she meant...H
Right. You should have replied "Aimez vous la choucroutte?". It never
fails. Believe me.
La puce
Sacha wrote:
> Janet posted some harmless remark about 'hit and miss gardening' and you
> immediately pounced on it to insult her.
(snip)
You are a liar. Janet called me a troll after my first post. My first
post! From that point on you protected Janet because I defended myself.
You went on about my RHS. Your poor friend David Poole was so
ambarassed about your behaviour we had to stop discussing something
interesting to me but to him too. You are a disgrace and don't deserve
the friends you have. And you couldn't even start guessing who has
posted me emails. You are so deluded.
You call me a French bitch and if you both now regret it it's tough.
Yes I told Janet to got back to her cauldron. Yes I said you mop after
your husband and carry cream cakes. Well don't you?! Off course you do
but that doesn't work with your ideas of grandeur doesn't it.
You didn't know who I was, you don't know who I know, you don't know
what I do, you both are so wrapped up with your own selves you cannot
see past your noses. I'd think Janet to be better than you. But you
deserve each other clearly. You are both terribly horrible people. This
is a lesson to you both. I'll never be your friend.
Sacha
1131637681.1...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "La puce"
<hel...@rudlin.co.uk> wrote:
You need to learn to read, girl. Sacha did not say 'French bitch'.
Sacha
1131644032.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "La puce"
<hel...@rudlin.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sacha wrote:
>> Janet posted some harmless remark about 'hit and miss gardening' and you
>> immediately pounced on it to insult her.
>
> (snip)
>
> You are a liar. Janet called me a troll after my first post.
Which has nothing to do with you picking a fight with her over a perfectly
innocent post. If you intend to continue to do that with everything Janet
posts, this will be a happy little group, won't it?
>My first
> post! From that point on you protected Janet because I defended myself.
No, I do not protect Janet, as you so childishly call it. I comment upon
what I observe and what I observe is you being determined to be allowed to
post duff information and get away with it, and then throwing a tantrum when
that doesn't happen. You're giving every appearance of being a spoiled
brat.
> You went on about my RHS. Your poor friend David Poole was so
> ambarassed about your behaviour we had to stop discussing something
> interesting to me but to him too. You are a disgrace and don't deserve
> the friends you have. And you couldn't even start guessing who has
> posted me emails. You are so deluded.
Did David Poole tell you he was embarrassed by my behaviour? And of course,
I can guess who is emailing you - I've been around this group long enough!
If it comes to that, I've had several saying what a bloody awful bore you
are. See how that works?
>
> You call me a French bitch and if you both now regret it it's tough.
I did not call you a French bitch or anything like it and I don't regret
anything, other than your appalling behaviour.
> Yes I told Janet to got back to her cauldron. Yes I said you mop after
> your husband and carry cream cakes. Well don't you?! Off course you do
> but that doesn't work with your ideas of grandeur doesn't it.
Ideas of grandeur? What are you on about now? Why have I got ideas of
grandeur because I object, quite reasonably, to your temper tantrum pulling
my husband into a fight that you have whipped up and which has nothing to do
with him or his business? The one with ideas above her station would appear
to be you. You think you can come here and tell everyone what to do and how
to do it and we will? Dear me, what a mistake.
>
> You didn't know who I was, you don't know who I know, you don't know
> what I do, you both are so wrapped up with your own selves you cannot
> see past your noses.
I think you've missed one important thing - I don't *care*. I do know that
you're a major foot stamper with big ideas of how important she is and
that's enough, thanks.
>I'd think Janet to be better than you. But you
> deserve each other clearly. You are both terribly horrible people.
We are indeed - I'd steer clear of us, if I were you.
>This
> is a lesson to you both. I'll never be your friend.
>
Promise? I can't imagine how we'll get over it but I'm sure we'll both try
very, very hard to get by without your 'friendship'.
This group is not about you, you know. Let's try to remember that, shall
you?
Mike
And THAT is the problem. You OWN it :-((
middleton.walker
I hate sauerkraut
La puce
Sacha wrote:
> You need to learn to read, girl. Sacha did not say 'French bitch'.
No. Your twin friend did. You are both so similar. You are as bad as
her.
> Sacha wrote:
> > On 9/11/05 17:03, in article
> 313030303930323943722BF...@zetnet.co.uk,
> > "Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.j...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> [...]
> >> Not to mention, "Those who lie with dogs, get fleas".
> > Coincidences are a bugger, aren't they?
> Mais enfin, est-ce-qu'elle a du chien?
Only a French bitch.
Janet
La puce
middleton.walker wrote:
> I hate sauerkraut
Moi aussi :o)
middleton.walker
ook la la...here we go again.....I wonder who is the bitch of all bitches
>
La puce
middleton.walker wrote:
> ook la la...here we go again.....I wonder who is the bitch of all bitches
I don't know. Why don't you run some bets and become rich?! Then we can
talk again about those French lessons.
The rain has stopped. I really hope for a clear week end. So much to
do! The builders have left me lots of wood - huge planks and all. I'll
be able to do 3 raised beds at least :o)
middleton.walker
Now what would I do with it if I became rich.....as to French lessons....J
had enough of those at school many years back....at one time I was
reasonably fluent in the language...time and lack of use/interest leaves me
with but l'anglais
You could do worse than make raised beds..especially if your land is like
mine...mine is a virtual sand pit left over from the ice age....about one
inch of poor soil above pure sand....in many ways a blessing as the raised
beds allows me to 'create' perfect growing conditions....H
>
Nick Maclaren
middleton.walker <middleto...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Now what would I do with it if I became rich.....as to French lessons....J
>had enough of those at school many years back....at one time I was
>reasonably fluent in the language...time and lack of use/interest leaves me
>with but l'anglais
Yes, but remember that there are French lessons and French lessons.
Make sure that you select a strict disciplinarian.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
La puce
Nick Maclaren wrote:
> Yes, but remember that there are French lessons and French lessons.
> Make sure that you select a strict disciplinarian.
Preferably wearing wellies and holding a willow stick.
Jaques d'Alltrades
from "La puce" <hel...@rudlin.co.uk> contains these words:
Mon petit choux - shredded, retted and with added salaciousness?
newsb
d'Alltrades <rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> writes
>
>Do pullets have teeth?
>
By all accounts, they are rather rare
--
regards andyw
La puce
newsb wrote:
> >Do pullets have teeth?
> By all accounts, they are rather rare
Ho yes. Les dents de poule. Which reminds me, how's your french garden
doing Andy?!
newsb
puce <hel...@rudlin.co.uk> writes
It doesn't exist:(
In the end, we couldn't get them to sign to sell - having wasted loads
of money on flights, surveys, hire cars etc. Turns out that it had been
inherited by six daughters. One of them refused to sell it despite
being visited by everyone involved (except me) - even the agent and the
solicitor. I was a bit pissed off because we'd spent several weeks
haggling over the price (actually, we matched the asking price but they
kept coming back with requests for more.) After we agreed a price, they
couldn't get it signed.
I believe that there was a way to get it done - but we just took it as a
sign that it wasn't for us at the time. Another time maybe... although
we're extending our uk house instead, so it'll be a long wait:(
--
regards andyw
La puce
newsb wrote:
> It doesn't exist:(
Bum, bum and re-bum. I am really sorry. This summer I thought of you.
We didn't pass near you, but almost...
(snip)
> I believe that there was a way to get it done - but we just took it as a
> sign that it wasn't for us at the time. Another time maybe... although
> we're extending our uk house instead, so it'll be a long wait:(
If you want to stay in the same region, let me know. Now that my
cousin's settled in Merignac I try to get there as often as I can. Also
my uncle is counting on me in the spring on my grand dad's plot.
Anyhow, let me know if you want some info from there - in fact anything
I can do just ask. My cousin was in a very similar situation but she
fought hard. The house she wanted was indeed on 2 sibling's inheritance
and the dispute went on and on. But she was patient and got it in the
end for a higher price. It's priceless now - she knew it would and she
did well. She's now an expert really. So lets use her!
Mike
> end for a higher price. It's priceless now - she knew it would and she
> did well. She's now an expert really. So lets use her!
>
Patience pays off :-))
I have in the last half hour received a telephone call from my Solicitor
that "at long last" a property deal in Leicester has just been completed
:-))
But isn't the waiting painful???
Mike
Janet Baraclough
from Jaques d'Alltrades <rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> contains these
words:
> > .... pull its teeth.
> Do pullets have teeth?
Poulets are very snappy.
Janet
Janet Baraclough
from "La puce" <hel...@rudlin.co.uk> contains these words:
> WHY IS IT that nobody says anything when a poster get a post with
> 'those who lie with dogs gets fleas?
Why would they? They can see you're back to your old failed
"zillions" hysteria , pretending that any innocent exchange between
other posters is all about you, just so that you can attack them.
Sacha posted to Mike Crowe, two well-known old English sayings, aimed
at himself.
I replied to Sacha's post with another very well-known old English
saying, also aimed at Mike Crowe, an irritable old seaDOG well-known on
this group for RECLINING at every opportunity and SCRATCHING.
Mike Lyle replied to my post in French and seemed to be asking me if
"she", ie Sacha, had a dog . I replied in English, only a French bitch,
referring to a female poodle. Long ago, when Sacha first came to this
group, she used her dog's name as her own posting ID. I thought it was a
lady poodle.
If I am mistaken about that, of course I shall immediately withdraw my
error and apologise for misleading anyone.
Janet.
Mike Lyle
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> [...]> Mike Lyle
replied to my post in French and seemed to be asking me if
In that case I'm glad I dropped in on a thread which had ceased to be
of interest. I used "du", not "un": it's a slang expression, and I
was punning harmlessly. "Has she got appeal?" is a reasonable, if
very lame, translation.
--
Mike.
Mike
> If I am mistaken about that, of course I shall immediately withdraw my
> error and apologise for misleading anyone.
>
> Janet.
>
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
.
.
The Barrowcloth apologise?????????????????????
Chocolate teapots
Chocolate foreguards
Mike
"Mike" <n...@here.thank.you> wrote in message
news:dl576b$5ss$1...@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
but then I am not perfect, otherwise I would be 'an owner'
Alan Gabriel
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
That must be the Pullet Surprise.
--
Regards,
Alan
Preserve wildlife - pickle a SQUIRREL to reply.
La puce
Janet Baraclough wrote:
> Why would they? They can see you're back to your old failed
> "zillions" hysteria , pretending that any innocent exchange between
> other posters is all about you, just so that you can attack them.
I don't do 'attack' very well. I'm a very peaceful person. And beside
the weather has been superbe here - still 'zillions' to do at the lotty
:o)
> Sacha posted to Mike Crowe, two well-known old English sayings, aimed
> at himself.
According to Sacha the saying was 'American'. But still, it doesn't
really matter does it.
> I replied to Sacha's post with another very well-known old English
> saying, also aimed at Mike Crowe, an irritable old seaDOG well-known on
> this group for RECLINING at every opportunity and SCRATCHING.
The coincidence was amazing, you must admit :o)
The fact remain that you wrote French bitch about Sacha's dog and that
it is quite a coincidence. But again, I'll pass. I'll simply point out
your rudeness next time it creeps up and will just leave it at that. I
now understand the complexity of your mind and perhaps you will realise
that you too get quite personal with strangers.
> Mike Lyle replied to my post in French and seemed to be asking me if
> "she", ie Sacha, had a dog .
No. 'Elle a du chien' means 'she's tough' or something like 'she won't
let go' like a dog with something. It's a very well known French
saying. I realised this after and agreed with Mike Lyle. My French is
getting weaker as the years passes sadly :o(
I replied in English, only a French bitch,
> referring to a female poodle. Long ago, when Sacha first came to this
> group, she used her dog's name as her own posting ID. I thought it was a
> lady poodle.
She used the name 'French bitch' has an ID name?! It's a bit dangerous
I think. I had a poodle when I was a kid. I loved it dearly. She was
called Idefix, like in Asterix cartoon.
> If I am mistaken about that, of course I shall immediately withdraw my
> error and apologise for misleading anyone.
You don't need to apologise to anyone, but me.
Jaques d'Alltrades
from martin <m...@privacy.net> contains these words:
> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:43:40 -0000, "Alan Gabriel"
> <al...@ac-gabriel.SQUIRRELfreeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
> >> The message <3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok>
> >> from Jaques d'Alltrades <rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> contains these
> >> words:
> >>
> >>> > .... pull its teeth.
> >>
> >>> Do pullets have teeth?
> >>
> >> Poulets are very snappy.
> >
> >That must be the Pullet Surprise.
> Winner of the Pulletser Prize?
This is turning into a regular pulletin.
Sacha
3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok, "Jaques d'Alltrades"
<rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> wrote:
> The message <ro4en1dtftrnkfhi8...@4ax.com>
> from martin <m...@privacy.net> contains these words:
>> On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:43:40 -0000, "Alan Gabriel"
>> <al...@ac-gabriel.SQUIRRELfreeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
>>>> The message <3130303032303...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok>
>>>> from Jaques d'Alltrades <rusty...@foobar.zetnet.co.ok> contains these
>>>> words:
>>>>
>>>>>> .... pull its teeth.
>>>>
>>>>> Do pullets have teeth?
>>>>
>>>> Poulets are very snappy.
>>>
>>> That must be the Pullet Surprise.
>
>> Winner of the Pulletser Prize?
>
> This is turning into a regular pulletin.
Pulltheotherone.