Art Deco Gardens
peter
Does anyone know of a garden where the design was influenced by the Art Deco
movement from the 1920's and/or 1930's?
I am not expecting a flood of replies on this one, but any help appreciated.
Peter
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I really don't know if this will or won't help you. But try Coleton
Fishacre in Devon. The house which was built for the D'Oyly Carte
family is outstanding, as are the grounds. I think I'm right in saying
that the house is a Lutyens design. It's an NT property so access and
info should be no problem. The property manager is both knowledgeable
about gardens and passionate about the subject.
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Sacha
Anthony New
>
> For those of you into Garden History and/or Design, can you please help?
>
> Does anyone know of a garden where the design was influenced by the Art Deco
> movement from the 1920's and/or 1930's?
>
> I am not expecting a flood of replies on this one, but any help appreciated.
>
Haven't come across any. I should think they would be rather scarce,
since the Deco movement was a celebration of craft, technology, and
"futuristic" design, as opposed to many of the previous movements which
reacted against technology.
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peter
Many thanks for your prompt response.
I have investigated Coleton Fishacre in Devon and believe that we may be
onto something here, although the information I can get on the Web from
Coleton Fishacre and the National Trust is sparse.
I will try and contact the Property Manager, whom you mentioned, by phone or
E Mail on Monday. Do you, by any chance, have a name? - for the Property
Manager, that is!
Please feel free to e mail me direct, if you you'd rather not mention names
in public, as it were.
Thanks again for your help.
Peter
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"Does anyone know of a garden where the design was influenced by the Art
Deco?"
Andy Mabbett
<pe...@gardenvision.demon.co.uk> writes
>For those of you into Garden History and/or Design, can you please help?
>
>Does anyone know of a garden where the design was influenced by the Art Deco
>movement from the 1920's and/or 1930's?
The National Trust have just opened a newly- restored Deco house, the
name of which scapes me (Elton something?); it was featured on the last
series of 'One Foot In The Past'. I'm sure they have, or soon will have,
restored the garden in keeping.
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peter
Andy Mabbett wrote >
> The National Trust have just opened a newly- restored Deco house, the
> name of which scapes me (Elton something?); it was featured on the last
> series of 'One Foot In The Past'. I'm sure they have, or soon will have,
> restored the garden in keeping.
Andy,
Thanks for this info.
I couldn't find any reference to an 'Elton' within the National Trust but
have e-mailed them asking if they can help.
This sounds a very promising lead - thank you.
Peter
Andy Mabbett
<pe...@gardenvision.demon.co.uk> writes
>I couldn't find any reference to an 'Elton' within the National Trust but
>have e-mailed them asking if they can help.
You might try English Heritage, too, in case my memory is at fault.
Or see if the BBC still have pages for One Foot In the Past.
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the C16, which had a magnificent and extraordinary house added to it
by Stephen and Virginia Courtauld in the 1930s. It is High Art Deco
and has been superbly restored by English Heritage. Reopened to the
public this summer.
However, the garden was not distinctively Art Deco (if there were ever
any such gardens). It had features common to many big 1930s gardens -
Herbaceous Borders, big Rock Garden, Rose Garden etc, much in the dry
moat of the original Palace.
However, English Heritage made it the subject of a competition this
year, to creat a contemporary garden in a heritage site; specifically
a new planting scheme for the herbaceous border, which was worn out.
The competition was won by Isabelle van Groeningen and is being
planted up now, ready to be viewed next year. She has used Art Deco
colour schemes and modern types of planting.
Keith Goodway
sa...@nospamgarden.demon.co.uk
<an...@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <940531831.29992.0...@news.demon.co.uk>, peter
><pe...@gardenvision.demon.co.uk> writes
>>For those of you into Garden History and/or Design, can you please help?
>>
>>Does anyone know of a garden where the design was influenced by the Art Deco
>>movement from the 1920's and/or 1930's?
>
>The National Trust have just opened a newly- restored Deco house, the
>name of which scapes me (Elton something?); it was featured on the last
>series of 'One Foot In The Past'. I'm sure they have, or soon will have,
>restored the garden in keeping.
I think this could be Coleton Fishacre near Salcombe. It's a Lutyens
Art Deco house built for the D'Oyly Carte family. The garden is
stupendous, IMO and if you like Art Deco, the house is a 'must'. I
went round it about 3 months ago and thoroughly recommend it to
anyone.
--
Sacha
peter
Thank you all very much for your input.
I have just downloaded all the info on Eltham Palace, and will try and get
further info from English Heritage as well as trying to track down Isabelle
van Groeningen.
Following my e-mail to the National Trust, I am now imagining them running
around trying to find someone or something called Elton with an Art Deco
twist! I wonder if I should put them out of their misery?
Somebody mentioned to me today the Roof Garden on top of Barkers in
Kensington as being Art Deco.
I vaguely remember this place when it used to be Biba's. (Yes, I know - that
dates me!)
I don't suppose any of you have visited it recently, have you?
Once again, thanks for your help.
Peter
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Gardens project in July. I found it disappointing - rather run-down
and tatty. Perhaps it looks better after dark ! I shook people by
saying that I had last been there before the war !
By the way, I think it used to be Derry and Toms, rather than Barkers
- but that was all long ago.
Keith
Andy Mabbett
10635...@compuserve.com writes
>I think you mean Eltham Palace, in SE London.
That was it.
peter
Now, there's a good example of the wonders of newsgroups & e-mail!
Thanks for the update on the Roof Garden (and yes I'm sure you're right, it
was Derry & Toms).
But, ...... and you've got me salivating here .......... was it Art Deco?
'Run down & tatty' it may be, but if it was Art Deco, I would forgive it all
of its sins!
I await your decision with the intensity of an Olympics Ice Skater.
Peter
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in this country, comparable with that in architecture !
The derry and Toms Roof Garden had a pergola (Lutyensish ?), a fish
pool (pure 30s suburbia), a ?Mexican hacienda type building ? and
treillage open pavilion with creepers. I was so depressed that I
didn't make a tour of the rest, but I was told the flamingos were
still there.
My pre-war memories are of open lawns, herbaceous borders and trees.
I would not have known what Art Deco was then - one was just amazed at
a 'normal'garden up in the sky !
I have been looking in a few garden history books that do cover this
century, and I cannot find any reference to Art Deco. The only
mention is in the Penguin Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape
Architecture. After a para on A.D. architecture, it has one sentence,
saying that in landscape architectture and garden design, Guevrekian
was outstanding. Admitting I had never heard of him, I looked him up
to find that was Armenian (1900-1970) and first attracted attention at
the Exposition des Arts Decoratifs in Paris in 1925 - which is where
it all started in architecture. He made a garden of water and light.
Further gardens by him all appear to have been in France, although he
settled in England in 1937, but his urban design projects were
abandoned because of the war.
I do wonder if some of the gardens on the south bank for the 1951
exhibition were inspired by Art Deco. Some of the photographs suggest
it. The other person whose designs might be similarly influenced are
those of Burle Marx, the Brazilian landscape designers.
Here endeth the lecture !!
Keith
Ruth Marler
10635...@compuserve.com writes
>I am still not certain that there was an Art Deco style in gardening,
>in this country, comparable with that in architecture !
>
>The derry and Toms Roof Garden had a pergola (Lutyensish ?),
"The exhibition at Horticultural Hall was held in conjunction with the
Royal Society of British Sculptors, and Bayes [Gilbert Bayes 1872-1953]
assisted William Reynolds-Stephens and William Reid Dick with all the
arrangements at the hall. The aim of the show was to display sculpture
in a suitable garden setting, unlike the galleries at the Royal Academy,
where rows of statues were crammed into a limited space. Sculptors were
concerned that visitors to Burlington House could not visualise their
work in an appropriate environment and that sales therefore suffered. By
displaying their art to a wider audience in this practical way, the
exhibitors hoped to encourage the sale of contemporary sculpture
ratherthan hackneyed copies of the antique to ornament gardens. Thirty-
five sculptors participated in this show, among the better-known being
William Goscombe John, C.S.Jagger and Richard Garbe. The majority of
works were in lead, bronze or stone, so Bayes and his freind Phoebe
Stabler were unusual with their ceramic contributions. Bayes' wife,
Gertrude, also took part in the event with a Portland stone statue of a
girl fishing, which later found a home in the family garden.
The following year, 1929, Selfridge's completed their famous roof garden
on top of their Oxford Street store and Bayes was invited to submit some
suitable garden ornaments. A Doulton ware relief of the Madonna and
Child was chosen to decorate on eof the ornamental pools and this was in
place by 1930 when Selfridge's organised an open-air display of
sculpture by the London Group. Consequently Bayes' traditional Della
Robbia-style panel was displayed alongside more radical work by artists
such as Henry Moore, Barbara Hepworth and Jacob Epstein."
from page 35
"Gilbert Bayes Sculptor 1872-1953"
by Louise Irvine & Paul Atterbury
published by Richard Dennis
copyright 1998 The Bayes Trust
ISBN 0 903685 64 7
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period (later Carter Stabler and Adams) and then Poole Pottery. She did
some brilliant deco designs, still much sought after today.
Iris McCanna
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This quotation is very interesting - but did Selfridges have a roof
garden too ? It certainly doesn't now - I have looked down on its
roof from a building immediately opposite the main entrance of
Selfridges on Oxford Street, and it just has a clutter of equipment,
presumably air conditioning and so on.
It doesn't sound very Art Deco !
Keith
Ruth Marler
10635...@compuserve.com writes
>Ruth,
>This quotation is very interesting - but did Selfridges have a roof
>garden too ?
>It certainly doesn't now - I have looked down on its
>roof from a building immediately opposite the main entrance of
>Selfridges on Oxford Street, and it just has a clutter of equipment,
>presumably air conditioning and so on.
It's obviously gone then.
>
>It doesn't sound very Art Deco !
Gilbert Bayes was a very versatile sculptor, in fact one might say a
Jack of all styles. He definitely did some art deco stuff - friezes
along the front of buildings (theatre's etc) & a frieze at Lords Cricket
Ground with people in contemporary dress. Some of his coloured ceramic
stuff could however be considered a little twee. He was a great admirer
of Walt Disney. This admiration appeared to have started after a lecture
on animation (in the 30s ?) at the Art Worker's Guild.
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Lynn
English Heritage, East London
I visited it in September, it's mainly the house which has been
renovated in period. The garden wasn't particularly spectacularly
Deco I felt. I've got a few pics that I'll try and put on my website
if anyone is interested
Lynn
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peter
Unfortunately, my Art Deco focus had to be diverted for a few days.
However, I'll try to catch up ......
Re:- Guevrekian the Armenian
This sounds like a good lead - I will trawl the Web and Libraries tomorrow
in search of examples of his French gardens.
I don't suppose we have any French listeners out there in Urgland do we?
If you can help - I promise not to mention our beef about Le Beuf.
Re:- Selfridges Roof Garden
I followed with interest your thread which somehow converted a spectacular
Art Deco Garden from 1929 to the 'Air Conditioning Art Movement' inspired
creation of the 1990's. Before I contact the archivists at Selfridges, was
anyone able to shed any further light on this transformation? Perhaps it's
still there gathering dust on the 8th floor waiting for a fashion revival.
Re:- Eltham Palace
Lynnn, I'd love to see the photos on your Web Site if at all possible and I
will keep an eye open.
Keith mentioned earlier, the new garden designed by Isabell van Groeningen
but didn't expect it to be opened until next year. Is this the garden that
you saw?
Thanks, once again, for all of your help. As yet, my goal of finding an
existing Art Deco garden from the 20's is unfulfilled but your leads are
proving beneficial in gradually building up the bigger picture. Thanks.
Now ..... I'm off to search for a French garden historian .... preferably a
vegetarian.
Bye for now,
Peter
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<pe...@gardenvision.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Re:- Eltham Palace
>Keith mentioned earlier, the new garden designed by Isabell van Groeningen
>but didn't expect it to be opened until next year. Is this the garden that
>you saw?
No, the garden won't be 'opened' until next year. Only just started
on preparing the site (soil sterilising going on now) - but should be
planted early in the New Year. New Head Gardener only started work
there yesterday !
I certainly didn't mean to imply that the existing garden, from the
1930s, was an Art Deco one, as somebody suggested. It was really
rather conventional 1930s, not matching up to the fabulous house.
Keith Goodway
Lynn
It was the garden before remodelling, they had just announce the winner
of the competition, but no plans as yet.
It looks as though my own photographs haven't been developed yet, but I
scanned in a couple of plans from the guidebook
http://www.glaschu.demon.co.uk/eltham1.gif
is the original plan (it's as faded as that in the original- sorry)
http://www.glaschu.demon.co.uk/eltham2.gif
is the "tour" map
This might give soe idea of the hard landscaping/layouts used
Lynn
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Andy Mabbett <an...@pigsonthewing.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <940531831.29992.0...@news.demon.co.uk>,
peter
> <pe...@gardenvision.demon.co.uk> writes
> >For those of you into Garden History and/or Design, can you please
help?
> >
> >Does anyone know of a garden where the design was influenced by the
Art Deco
> >movement from the 1920's and/or 1930's?
>
> The National Trust have just opened a newly- restored Deco house, the
> name of which scapes me (Elton something?); it was featured on the
last
> series of 'One Foot In The Past'. I'm sure they have, or soon will
have,
> restored the garden in keeping.
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> "If they censure you, they tell you to cut it out.
> If they censor you, they just cut it out."
>
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