Any tips for preventing hozelok connectors coming off the hose, under pressure?

[Jim xzy]

Does anyone have any easy way of preventing Hozelock fittings from coming
loose under pressure? OK, it's possible that I am not using genuine
Hozelock fittings or hoses, but they are supposed to be compatible. The
fittings often come loose after a while when under pressure. That is to
say, the hose gets forced free of the connector. (I'm not talking about the
male and female parts of a connector coming apart.) Not sure if it's the
fault of the connectors or the hose, but if anyone has a method of keeping
them on (short of buying new hose and fittings), perhaps you could
advise...

TIA

Jim

[Mike]

"Jim xzy" <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA014B3126B5C3bi...@130.133.4.11...

One word ""supposed"".

I have found that only like for like fittings/hoses are 100% compatible.

However it does help to make connections when hoses and fittings are warm,
BUT, even like for like fittings will blow apart if kept under mains
pressure and left in the sun.

I was thinking of making my own solar hot water system and snaked a very
long Hozelock hose down our small garden, which because it is small is a sun
trap. Filled it to mains pressure and left it. Not long before it blew
apart.

Didn't bother with the solar heating system and ALWAYS, note ALWAYS, take
mains pressure off the hose assembly.

Mike

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[Jake]

In 30-odd years I've encountered the occasional male-female separation
when one or other part wears but I've never had the connector actually
separate from the hose. Do you have exceptionally high water pressure
(lucky you if you do)?

Pressure aside, you may have inferior quality fittings or hose. You
will know if that applies. Alternatively you may have a non-standard
fitting or hose. All the decent Hozelock-type fittings assume a
standard hose diameter both inside and out but not all hoses are the
same. If the internal diameter is bigger than standard then the hose
will compress in the fitting and come away. If the outer diameter is
less than normal then the compression fitting may not bite. Some hoses
I have come across have an exceptionally hard outer wall and the
plastic teeth in the fitting may not be able to penetrate into that to
get a grip. In other cases, the outer wall is too soft - you can't win
sometimes!

Have a look at a hose end that has separated and see if you can see
clear teeth marks in it from the compression fitting. If you cannot
then either or both of the hose and/or fittings need to be replaced.


Cheers, Jake
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Urgling happily from the dryer end of Swansea Bay.

[Bill Grey]

"Jake" <Nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Make absolutely sure you have inserted the hose end fully into the
connector. If it is a very tight fit, soak the hose end in hot water for a
short while then try pushng it fully onto the connector. Tighten the
connector ring as tight as you can by hand.

I've never had a connector come off the hose.

Bill

[stephe...@btinternet.com]

In message <aeGdnXblYspy2sPS...@bt.com>

Sometimes it's advisable to cut an inch or so off the end
of the hose because the hose over time will stretch and hot water
as you say does help force the hose over a connector.

Stephen.

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[Jim xzy]

stephe...@btinternet.com wrote in news:a9d1706f...@btinternet.com:

> Sometimes it's advisable to cut an inch or so off the end
> of the hose because the hose over time will stretch and hot water
> as you say does help force the hose over a connector.
>
> Stephen.

That's what I do. Then, before long, the hose seems to get stretched where
it pushes onto the back end of the connector, and then comes loose. I do
suspect that my hose is at fault (being a cheap imitation of the proper
Hozelock item, but possibly not a big enough OD. (It looks the same - dark
green with the criss-cross reinforcement fibres.) I was just hoping someone
might know some clever trick to prevent they above hose-coming-loose
syndrome. There seems to be some clever old-timer (or otherwise) trick, to
overcome most garden SNAFUs!

Jim

[Jim xzy]

Jake <Nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:5mdsl79p4j5oh0rfc...@4ax.com:

> o you have exceptionally high water pressure
> (lucky you if you do)?

No - it's about 2bar, i.e., average. And I never have the tap turned full-
on either.

>
> Pressure aside, you may have inferior quality fittings or hose. You
> will know if that applies. Alternatively you may have a non-standard
> fitting or hose

I think it's the hose. It ooks like the Hozelock type (dark green, with
criss-cross reinforcement, but the OD may be less than ideal. I don't think
the teeth on the fittings are getting a proper purchase.

Jim

[Bill Grey]

<stephe...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:a9d1706f...@btinternet.com...

Yes it's always best to cut off an inch or so to have a clean new bit of
hose to work with.

Bill

[Bill Grey]

"Jim xzy" <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA014CD7C08E24bi...@130.133.4.11...

My hose looks just like yours but I've has no trouble with it. It may well
be your hose then.

Bill

[Doghouse Riley]

There's been some very helpful advice given freely here.

There are I'm sure, many experts who'd charge a fortune to cure the
problem of "premature separation."




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[harry]

A lot are not compatable/farfromit though they look superficiially
similar.
After a while they wear and will leak/blow off anyway.. Get the brass
ones or just buy new.

[Dave Liquorice]

On 12 Mar 2012 17:41:34 GMT, Jim xzy wrote:

> The fittings often come loose after a while when under pressure. That is
> to say, the hose gets forced free of the connector. (I'm not talking
> about the male and female parts of a connector coming apart.)

Can't say I've ever had that and to be honest I'm rather surprised
that they can blow apart there are the moderate water pressure you
say you have.

I wonder if it is an assembly error? The hose side of these
connectors is not "push fit". You should unscrew the collar
completely and thread it onto the hose then push the hose fully onto
the back of the connector, right over the raised lip, then slide and
screw up firmly the collar.

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Cheers
Dave.

[Jim xzy]

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsn...@howhill.co.uk> wrote in
news:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk:

> I wonder if it is an assembly error? The hose side of these
> connectors is not "push fit". You should unscrew the collar
> completely and thread it onto the hose then push the hose fully onto
> the back of the connector, right over the raised lip, then slide and
> screw up firmly the collar.

Yes, I realise that. I think the problem with my hose is that the plastic
is not thick enough, which causes two problems:

(a) it stretches too easily
and
(b) the teeth on the fittings don't get a good purchase.

At the end of the day, I may have to bite the bullet and buy a non-
cheapskate hose! That's an expense I'd have liked to avoid, cos I need
about 30 metres of the stuff to reach the furthermost nether-regions...

I learned one lesson though: don't buy Hozelock-lookalike hoses from Aldi,
no matter how tempting the price! They also spring leaks very easily.

Actually, this hose is about the third one I've had bad luck with and the
other two were purchased from somewhere else.

Can anyone recommend a make of hose that will not give these kind of
problems, and doesn't cost a king's ransom?


Jim

[Jeff Layman]

Apart from cutting off an inch or so off the hose as recommended by
others, I have also wrapped a layer or two of insulating tape around the
fitting to increase its diameter a fraction. You'll know when you've got
enough tape on - if too much is wrapped round, you can't get the hose on
at all.

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Jeff

[Dave Liquorice]

On 13 Mar 2012 10:28:49 GMT, Jim xzy wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a make of hose that will not give these kind of
> problems, and doesn't cost a king's ransom?

Take a look in Wickes, I bought 30m of yellow hose in the last year
or so from there. IIRC they had good prices for decent hose compared
to the other sheds.

Heavy duty yellow 30m £21.99:
http://www.wickes.co.uk/red-plastic-wallplugs/invt/158414/

Cheaper green stuff 30m £12.48
http://www.wickes.co.uk/red-plastic-wallplugs/invt/158411/

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Cheers
Dave.

[Jim xzy]

Jeff Layman <JMLa...@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:jjn948$392$1
@news.albasani.net:

> Apart from cutting off an inch or so off the hose as recommended by
> others, I have also wrapped a layer or two of insulating tape around the
> fitting to increase its diameter a fraction. You'll know when you've got
> enough tape on - if too much is wrapped round, you can't get the hose on
> at all.

Jeff,
Ah yes - that seems well worth a try - thanks! I'm not sure why I didn't
think of that... Luckily I have some very good insulation tape with better
stickability than most.

Jim

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

I can't help with Hozelock as I gave them up years ago. I know you
don't want to buy new fittings but if you ever do, get the brass
fittings as they rarely give trouble. I can't remember the name but I
do remember they were cheaper than the plastic Hozelock fittings when
I bought them.

Steve

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[harry]

On Mar 13, 10:28 am, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
> "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthis...@howhill.co.uk> wrote innews:nyyfbegfubjuvyypb...@srv1.howhill.co.uk:

The main thing is not to drive over them.

[BAC]

"Jim xzy" <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA015732D1E384bi...@130.133.4.11...

Are you using the latest type of Hozelock hose connectors?

See http://reviews.homebase.co.uk/1494-en_gb/284636/reviews.htm for some
favourable reviews.

[stephe...@btinternet.com]

In message <g3hul7lbkm7t6u6dp...@4ax.com>

Stephen Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> wrote:

>On 12 Mar 2012 17:41:34 GMT, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
>
>>Does anyone have any easy way of preventing Hozelock fittings from coming
>>loose under pressure? OK, it's possible that I am not using genuine
>>Hozelock fittings or hoses, but they are supposed to be compatible. The
>>fittings often come loose after a while when under pressure. That is to
>>say, the hose gets forced free of the connector. (I'm not talking about the
>>male and female parts of a connector coming apart.) Not sure if it's the
>>fault of the connectors or the hose, but if anyone has a method of keeping
>>them on (short of buying new hose and fittings), perhaps you could
>>advise...
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>Jim
>
>I can't help with Hozelock as I gave them up years ago. I know you
>don't want to buy new fittings but if you ever do, get the brass
>fittings as they rarely give trouble. I can't remember the name but I
>do remember they were cheaper than the plastic Hozelock fittings when
>I bought them.
>
>Steve
>

The problem I had with a brass fitting one was the part where the
hose pushes onto is too short, it still had the plastic
compression bit which bites on the hose and the screw was brass so
at least you could over tighten the brass thread without worrying
about cross threading, unlike the plastic variety.

Another alternative to Hozelock is Gardena whose fittings are
supposed to be compatible.

[Jake]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:00:49 GMT, stephe...@btinternet.com wrote:


>
>Another alternative to Hozelock is Gardena whose fittings are
>supposed to be compatible.
>
>Stephen.

Whilst Gardena (and lots of other makes, some inferior) are
"compatible", IME that doesn't necessarily mean "watertight". they may
clip together but they often leak.

[Moonraker]

Plastic Hozelock push off my pressure washer. I replaced it with a brass
one, no further problems.

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[Jim xzy]

harry <harol...@aol.com> wrote in news:bab369ac-cfc3-40df-95dc-
74dcec...@x17g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:

> The main thing is not to drive over them.

...or worse, drive away with one caught around your tow-bar, as I did
recently! Seeing one that has been stretched to double it's intended length
is a sorry sight indeed. :-7

Jim

[hugh]

In message <d4d5eb6f...@btinternet.com>,
stephe...@btinternet.com writes

Didn't one buy t'other a few years back?
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[hugh]

In message <jjo423$i2d$1...@dont-email.me>, Moonraker <ne...@j-towill.co.uk>
writes

I use plastic Hozelock on my pressure washer -no problems. I've used
Hozelock and Gardena mixed without any problems.
--
hugh

[Christina Websell]

"Jim xzy" <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA014B3126B5C3bi...@130.133.4.11...

> Does anyone have any easy way of preventing Hozelock fittings from coming
> loose under pressure? OK, it's possible that I am not using genuine
> Hozelock fittings or hoses, but they are supposed to be compatible. The
> fittings often come loose after a while when under pressure. That is to
> say, the hose gets forced free of the connector. (I'm not talking about
> the
> male and female parts of a connector coming apart.) Not sure if it's the
> fault of the connectors or the hose, but if anyone has a method of keeping
> them on (short of buying new hose and fittings), perhaps you could
> advise...

I've had similar problems, both with the genuine parts and the compatibles.
I've found that (probably due to carelessness on my part while pushing the
hose into the fitting) some of the plastic teeth have been bent back. You
can realign these with the end of a small screwdriver if you do it very
gently and then they will be OK if you don't put the tap on full pressure
after that.
HTH
Tina

[stuart noble]

Brass kit from Screwfix £10. No brainer really

[Dave Hill]

On Mar 14, 4:40 pm, "Christina Websell"

I have this problem with a couple of hoses that have Hoselock Oblong
watering attachments on them, I find that a couple of twists of
insulating tape on the end of the hose(When it's dry) helps to prevent
the end comming off to often

[stephe...@btinternet.com]

In message <7XeCJ1Cx...@raefell.demon.co.uk>

hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

>In message <d4d5eb6f...@btinternet.com>,
>stephe...@btinternet.com writes
>>In message <g3hul7lbkm7t6u6dp...@4ax.com>
>> Stephen Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 12 Mar 2012 17:41:34 GMT, Jim xzy <ssd...@rghh66.com> wrote:
>>>

[snip]

>>>
>>The problem I had with a brass fitting one was the part where the
>>hose pushes onto is too short, it still had the plastic
>>compression bit which bites on the hose and the screw was brass so
>>at least you could over tighten the brass thread without worrying
>>about cross threading, unlike the plastic variety.
>>
>>Another alternative to Hozelock is Gardena whose fittings are
>>supposed to be compatible.
>>
>>Stephen.
>>
>Didn't one buy t'other a few years back?

I did, but can't remember where from.

[Christina Websell]

"stuart noble" <stuart...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:Hm48r.11030$_N4....@newsfe07.ams2...

If you do not have 150 yds of hose that does not have be connected in
several places like I do.