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Granity
May 14, 2013, 11:02:14 AM5/14/13
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Nice set of pictures here
'10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
(http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)
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Granity
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
May 14, 2013, 4:47:34 PM5/14/13
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nm...@cam.ac.uk
May 14, 2013, 5:47:32 PM5/14/13
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latter stain yellow, too. But they do it slowly, and to a slightly
yellow colour, not quickly to a bright yellow.
But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
torygraph.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
May 14, 2013, 6:16:17 PM5/14/13
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nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
> and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
> torygraph.
Nice photos, though
> But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
> and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
> torygraph.
Dave Liquorice
May 14, 2013, 6:16:29 PM5/14/13
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On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:47:32 +0100 (BST), nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
> and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
> torygraph.
And a couple are rare in the UK... The captions even state that, with a
> But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
> and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
> torygraph.
hefty Southern England bias as well. The last is only common in North
America...
As you say nice pics, shame about the content.
--
Cheers
Dave.
Martin Brown
May 15, 2013, 3:17:48 AM5/15/13
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On 14/05/2013 22:47, nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> In article <avfm76...@mid.individual.net>, <use...@comps.org> wrote:
>> Granity <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice set of pictures here
>>>
>>> '10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
>>> (http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)
>>
>> Nick just asked "how do you tell a yellow stainer from a field mushroom?"
>
> Actually, telling one from a horse mushroom is harder, because the
> latter stain yellow, too. But they do it slowly, and to a slightly
> yellow colour, not quickly to a bright yellow.
>
> But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
And ISTR their advice on the false morel is somewhat misleading. It is
> In article <avfm76...@mid.individual.net>, <use...@comps.org> wrote:
>> Granity <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice set of pictures here
>>>
>>> '10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
>>> (http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)
>>
>> Nick just asked "how do you tell a yellow stainer from a field mushroom?"
>
> Actually, telling one from a horse mushroom is harder, because the
> latter stain yellow, too. But they do it slowly, and to a slightly
> yellow colour, not quickly to a bright yellow.
>
> But the list is crap. Some of those are lethal, but many are not,
believed in the west that it is toxic and potentially lethal although it
is eaten cooked in Finland and Spain (sometimes with fatal consequences).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromitra_esculenta
Cooked correctly it is supposed to be edible but I am not that keen on
eatin monomethylhydrazine YMMV. The true morel is absolutely delicious.
I think if they were going to do something like this they should have
shown the top deadly poison ones, the ones with most folk lore attached
and the edible ones that are too easily confused with toxic species. At
least that way they would be performing a useful service. As it is the
list looks more like the ones they could find with royalty free images!
> and the list was clearly put together to look impressive. Typical
> torygraph.
stuffed to the gills with anti-science pundits although not to quite the
same extent as some of the other rabid right wing press.
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Regards,
Martin Brown
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nm...@cam.ac.uk
May 15, 2013, 4:18:29 AM5/15/13
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In article <5cg6p8hdo9j5tncgm...@4ax.com>,
Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>Last week there was a report that a woman made an omelette using
>death cap taken from her garden. She died four days later, her husband
>was very ill.
Yes.
Rule 1: Never, ever, under ANY circumstances eat anything that
looks like a cultivated mushroom unless it is very definite pink
or brown gills. Indeed, don't even mix them in the same basket
as field mushrooms.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>Last week there was a report that a woman made an omelette using
>death cap taken from her garden. She died four days later, her husband
>was very ill.
Yes.
Rule 1: Never, ever, under ANY circumstances eat anything that
looks like a cultivated mushroom unless it is very definite pink
or brown gills. Indeed, don't even mix them in the same basket
as field mushrooms.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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Pam Moore
May 15, 2013, 4:59:15 AM5/15/13
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Pam in Bristol
Tom Gardner
May 23, 2013, 4:56:27 AM5/23/13
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http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/
The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
species and has good general advice.
However:
- his photos in his books are better; they are the
default standard for amateur mycologists
- it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
pen portraits, keys etc
David Hill
May 23, 2013, 5:13:44 AM5/23/13
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I was talking to a guy in the line at Tesco. The conversation got around
to wives, and he said he had been widowed three times.
I said "Three wives, all dead and buried?"
He said "Yes."
"What happened to the first one?"
"Poison Mushrooms."
"What happened to the second one?"
"Poison Mushrooms."
"And the third?"
"Fractured skull."
"How did that happen?"
"She wouldn't eat the poison mushrooms."
nm...@cam.ac.uk
May 23, 2013, 5:34:43 AM5/23/13
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In article <%Qknt.29762$447....@fx36.am4>,
That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>A much more useful site is
>http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/
>
>The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
>he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
>species and has good general advice.
>
>However:
> - his photos in his books are better; they are the
> default standard for amateur mycologists
>
> - it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
> pen portraits, keys etc
Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)
>
>A much more useful site is
>http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/
>
>The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
>he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
>species and has good general advice.
>
>However:
> - his photos in his books are better; they are the
> default standard for amateur mycologists
>
> - it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
> pen portraits, keys etc
That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
it to merely poisonous!
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Tom Gardner
May 23, 2013, 6:27:32 AM5/23/13
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False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
under bracken.
Shaggy Parasol ((Macro)Lepiota racodes) is often marked as edible.
I've eaten it and found it delicious. On a different occasion,
however, it caused my entire alimentary canal to rebel - maybe
it is significant that it was growing under laurel.
Conclusion: wild food is indeed wild.
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nm...@cam.ac.uk
May 23, 2013, 7:05:47 AM5/23/13
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In article <tsrrp8p09hrsvm9i8...@4ax.com>,
Not my point. He includes it in the short list of deadly fungi,
but does not include many others that have been known to cause
many more deaths. It has had a bad press for at least a century,
but there is no evidence for it. But, BECAUSE all books refer to
it as deadly, all authors play safe and continue to classify it
as deadly.
>Wiki says poisonous but doesn't say deadly
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas
Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
usually reliable, but that's not enough.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)
>>
>>That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
>>that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
>>death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
>>classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
>>toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
>>it to merely poisonous!
>
>He says possibly "Poisonous � possibly deadly"
>>
>>Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)
>>
>>That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
>>that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
>>death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
>>classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
>>toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
>>it to merely poisonous!
>
Not my point. He includes it in the short list of deadly fungi,
but does not include many others that have been known to cause
many more deaths. It has had a bad press for at least a century,
but there is no evidence for it. But, BECAUSE all books refer to
it as deadly, all authors play safe and continue to classify it
as deadly.
>Wiki says poisonous but doesn't say deadly
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas
Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
usually reliable, but that's not enough.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Adam Funk
May 23, 2013, 8:12:05 AM5/23/13
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actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
Martin Brown
May 23, 2013, 8:20:21 AM5/23/13
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On 23/05/2013 12:05, nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> In article <tsrrp8p09hrsvm9i8...@4ax.com>,
> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)
>>>
>>> That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
>>> that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
>>> death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
>>> classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
>>> toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
>>> it to merely poisonous!
>>
>> He says possibly "Poisonous � possibly deadly"
> In article <tsrrp8p09hrsvm9i8...@4ax.com>,
> Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)
>>>
>>> That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
>>> that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
>>> death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
>>> classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
>>> toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
>>> it to merely poisonous!
>>
>
> Not my point. He includes it in the short list of deadly fungi,
> but does not include many others that have been known to cause
> many more deaths. It has had a bad press for at least a century,
> but there is no evidence for it. But, BECAUSE all books refer to
> it as deadly, all authors play safe and continue to classify it
> as deadly.
>
>> Wiki says poisonous but doesn't say deadly
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas
>
> Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
> should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
> usually reliable, but that's not enough.
Even the trustworthy reference books have some misleading pictures in
> Not my point. He includes it in the short list of deadly fungi,
> but does not include many others that have been known to cause
> many more deaths. It has had a bad press for at least a century,
> but there is no evidence for it. But, BECAUSE all books refer to
> it as deadly, all authors play safe and continue to classify it
> as deadly.
>
>> Wiki says poisonous but doesn't say deadly
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boletus_satanas
>
> Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
> should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
> usually reliable, but that's not enough.
them although the verbal descriptions are usually OK. The basic rule is
if you are uncertain and do not have a tame expert mycologist to hand
then don't risk eating it. We do have an expert in our village.
Most French villages you can take your pick along to the pharmacy where
someone who knows will tell you which are safe to eat. Always struck me
as bit iffy since they don't actually eat them but it seemed to work.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
nm...@cam.ac.uk
May 23, 2013, 8:23:44 AM5/23/13
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In article <lld17ax...@news.ducksburg.com>,
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.
The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
>
>Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
this.
The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
from anything lethal.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Emery Davis
May 23, 2013, 9:22:47 AM5/23/13
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On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:20:21 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:
> Most French villages you can take your pick along to the pharmacy where
> someone who knows will tell you which are safe to eat. Always struck me
> as bit iffy since they don't actually eat them but it seemed to work.
Not true any more IME.
> Most French villages you can take your pick along to the pharmacy where
> someone who knows will tell you which are safe to eat. Always struck me
> as bit iffy since they don't actually eat them but it seemed to work.
--
Gardening in Lower Normandy
Adam Funk
May 24, 2013, 4:21:50 PM5/24/13
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On 2013-05-23, nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> In article <lld17ax...@news.ducksburg.com>,
> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>
>>Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>>actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>>ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>>generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>>--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
>
> Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
> and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
> the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
> advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
> this.
Well, my 3-way division above was NOT correct then, since are tasty &
> In article <lld17ax...@news.ducksburg.com>,
> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>
>>Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>>actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>>ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>>generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>>--- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
>
> Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
> and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
> the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
> advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
> this.
(at least somewhat) dangerous ones.
> The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
> you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
> that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
> transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
> and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
> from anything lethal.
Granity
May 25, 2013, 6:51:28 AM5/25/13
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'Adam Funk[_3_ Wrote:
> ;983913']On 2013-05-23, nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> -
> In article lld17ax...@news.ducksburg.com,
> Adam Funk a24...@ducksburg.com wrote:-
>
> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
> --- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.-
> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>
> Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
> and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
> the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
> advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
> this.-
> Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
> and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
> the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
> advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
>
> Well, my 3-way division above was NOT correct then, since are tasty &
> (at least somewhat) dangerous ones.
>
> -
> Well, my 3-way division above was NOT correct then, since are tasty &
> (at least somewhat) dangerous ones.
>
> The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
> you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
> that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
> transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
> and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
> from anything lethal.-
> you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
> that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
> transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
> and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
>
> Right.
As an expert said on the tele the other night: "All mushrooms are
edible, it's just that some will prevent you from ever eating them
twice." This was after a discussion on poisonous Fungi, so it was in
context.
--
Granity
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 6:12:11 PM6/3/13
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take it that's Roger Phillips?
Back in the '70s the curator of the Dept. of Mycology in the British
Museum of Natural History advised be to get Roger Phillips' 'Mushrooma
and Other Fungi of Great Britain and Europe'
I still use it a lot.
--
Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 6:19:16 PM6/3/13
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> Yes. he has the usual problem with Boletus satanas, of course :-)
>
> That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
> that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
> death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
> classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
> toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
> it to merely poisonous!
B. satanas is edible if thoroughly cooked, as are a lot of allegedly
>
> That is almost universally claimed to be deadly, but evidence for
> that is essentially absent. While there probably has been the odd
> death, that is also true of many of the poisonous mushrooms NOT
> classified as deadly - some people are very sensitive to particular
> toxins or otherwise vulnerable. But nobody wants to risk downgrading
> it to merely poisonous!
poisonous boleti.
You rarely see warnings that you should cook Lepista saeva, L nuda, L.
sordida before eating them, nor Macrolepiota rhacodes.
Many books accuse Lactarius torminosus and L. pubescens of being
poisonous, but if - *IF* - you know how to prepare them, they are very
worthwhile.
--
Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 6:28:56 PM6/3/13
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On 23/05/13 11:27, Tom Gardner wrote:
> Personal experiences...
>
> False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
> as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
> way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
> that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
> under bracken.
It *can* be hallucigenic to some people: others eat them with no (ill)
> Personal experiences...
>
> False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
> as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
> way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
> that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
> under bracken.
effect.
> Shaggy Parasol ((Macro)Lepiota racodes) is often marked as edible.
> I've eaten it and found it delicious. On a different occasion,
> however, it caused my entire alimentary canal to rebel - maybe
> it is significant that it was growing under laurel.
many M. rhacodes from beneath laurel.
M. procera looks very similar, but M. rhacodes (allegedly) is poisonous
to a small proportion of humanity.
I can eat the yellow-staining mushrooms with no ill effect - but I leave
them alone, as I have some evidence that their effect can be cumulative.
Talking of which, if you are using an old guide (or one written by
Lange), Paxillus involutus (brown roll-rim) is cumulatively deadly.
> Conclusion: wild food is indeed wild.
--
Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 6:35:32 PM6/3/13
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On 23/05/13 12:05, nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
> should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
> usually reliable, but that's not enough.
Toot rue.
> Wikipedia is not a mycology reference, amateur or otherwise, and
> should never be trusted with life-threatening decisions. It is
> usually reliable, but that's not enough.
B. satanas tastes vile raw, smells vile when you cook it, and hasn't
much to recommend it when it's done.
www.girolle.co.uk/fungi/
--
Rusty Hinge
Tom Gardner
Jun 3, 2013, 6:41:34 PM6/3/13
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RustyHinge wrote:
> On 23/05/13 11:27, Tom Gardner wrote:
>
>> Personal experiences...
>>
>> False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
>> as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
>> way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
>> that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
>> under bracken.
>
> It *can* be hallucigenic to some people: others eat them with no (ill) effect.
Don't remember seeing that, and can't be bothered to excavate my books!
> On 23/05/13 11:27, Tom Gardner wrote:
>
>> Personal experiences...
>>
>> False Chantarelle (Hygrophoropsis aurantiaca) is usually marked
>> as poisonous and/or inedible. However as it wasn't marked that
>> way in the early 70s, I've eaten lots with the only result being
>> that I had a delicious meal. Location: Headly Heath, North Downs,
>> under bracken.
>
> It *can* be hallucigenic to some people: others eat them with no (ill) effect.
>> Shaggy Parasol ((Macro)Lepiota racodes) is often marked as edible.
>> I've eaten it and found it delicious. On a different occasion,
>> however, it caused my entire alimentary canal to rebel - maybe
>> it is significant that it was growing under laurel.
>
> Shouldn't think the laurel had anything to do with it - I have eaten many M. rhacodes from beneath laurel.
> M. procera looks very similar, but M. rhacodes (allegedly) is poisonous to a small proportion of humanity.
but I can't remember why.
> I can eat the yellow-staining mushrooms with no ill effect - but I leave them alone, as I have some evidence that their effect can be cumulative.
>
> Talking of which, if you are using an old guide (or one written by Lange), Paxillus involutus (brown roll-rim) is cumulatively deadly.
>
>> Conclusion: wild food is indeed wild.
>
> Especially when you've just shot it.
Tom Gardner
Jun 3, 2013, 6:49:44 PM6/3/13
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RustyHinge wrote:
> On 23/05/13 09:56, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> Pam Moore wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
>>> <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice set of pictures here
>>>>
>>>> '10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
>>>> (http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)
>>>
>>> Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.
>>
>> A much more useful site is
>> http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/
>>
>> The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
>> he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
>> species and has good general advice.
>>
>> However:
>> - his photos in his books are better; they are the
>> default standard for amateur mycologists
>>
>> - it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
>> pen portraits, keys etc
>
> Not got the bandwidth here (GPRS dongle) to go looking at websites - I take it that's Roger Phillips?
Yup. It is a very sensible intro to his books: the pictures are
> On 23/05/13 09:56, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> Pam Moore wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02:14 +0200, Granity
>>> <Granity...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice set of pictures here
>>>>
>>>> '10 poisonous mushrooms to watch out for in Britain - Telegraph'
>>>> (http://tinyurl.com/cb6wzlr)
>>>
>>> Useful site, good pictures. Thank you.
>>
>> A much more useful site is
>> http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/
>>
>> The photos are good (multiple specimens, cross sections etc),
>> he has good identification tools, clearly identifies poisonous
>> species and has good general advice.
>>
>> However:
>> - his photos in his books are better; they are the
>> default standard for amateur mycologists
>>
>> - it is unwise to rely on any single source of photos,
>> pen portraits, keys etc
>
> Not got the bandwidth here (GPRS dongle) to go looking at websites - I take it that's Roger Phillips?
large enough to be useful but small enough that they make you
want to get the book! It also has info not in the books.
> Back in the '70s the curator of the Dept. of Mycology in the British Museum of Natural History advised be to get Roger Phillips' 'Mushrooma and Other Fungi of Great Britain and Europe'
>
> I still use it a lot.
no mention of other printings. I strongly suspect it is a
first edition of the Pan paperback, since ISTR remember getting
it as soon as it appeared :)
I'll normally take Philips plus one or two others when I go foraging.
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 7:19:09 PM6/3/13
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On 23/05/13 13:12, Adam Funk wrote:
> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
> --- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
Yes - myriad.
> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
> --- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
Amanita rubescens is to die for - but be careful: many in the genus are
to die *of*.
The girolle, Cantharellus cibarius - erroneously called chanterelle in
most of the English-speaking world.
Cantharellus tubiformis/C. infundibuloformis - chanterelle and grey
chanterelle.
Horn of plenty, Craterellus mumblemumble... oh yes C. cornucopioides
Hydnum rapandum- the hedgehog.
Most of the oyster mushrooms.
Lepista saeva, blewits, blue-legs, blue stalks; L. nuda, wood blewits;
L.sordida.
St George's mushroom, Tricholoma gambosum.
Lactarius velomus, L. deliciosus.
Macrolepiota procera, parasolmushroom, but be cautious with M. rhacodes,
shaggy parasol.
'Cauliflower fungus', Sperassis crispa.
Verpa conica.
Morchella, all species.
Fistulina hepatica, beefsteak fungus.
Clitopilus prunulus, the miller, but it can be confused with Clitocybe
dealbata, which could spell the end of your enjoyment of any mushrooms,
so be careful with this one.
Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig
Merasmius oreades, fairy ring champignon - useful, as it dries, and
rehydrates like new.
Armillaria mellea, honey fungus, pickles well, otherwise falls into the
third group.
Lycoperdon species and Calvatia species. Giant puffballs may be sliced
to the thickness of a goodly slice of bread and fried. (Try butter!) To
make it into a real treat, fry the slices in butter, whip them out of
the pan when they are good and brown, then dip them in batter and sling
them back into the pan...
http://www.girolle.co.uk/recipes/
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Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 7:27:40 PM6/3/13
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On 23/05/13 13:23, nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> In article <lld17ax...@news.ducksburg.com>,
> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>> --- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
>
> Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
> and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
> the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
> advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
> this.
B.felleus is bitter as hell and one bite would be enough.
> In article <lld17ax...@news.ducksburg.com>,
> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>> --- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
>
> Yes, and you are correct. I once ate Boletus felleus (don't ask),
> and I had minor diarrhoea but two other people had no effect;
> the point there is that more of the boleti taste good than are
> advisable to eat. Tom Gardner's remarks are also relevant to
> this.
> The critical point is that you need to be absolutely sure that
> you don't eat a lethal one by mistake, because lethal means just
> that - and, if they don't kill you, you may need a liver
> transplant to survive. But there aren't all that many of those,
> and there are a lot that are excellent and very easy to separate
> from anything lethal.
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Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 7:29:57 PM6/3/13
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them you can only eat once.
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Rusty Hinge
Tom Gardner
Jun 3, 2013, 7:33:29 PM6/3/13
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in Waitrose complete with the necessary "cook before
eating" label!
Just like many other vegetables. Nasty things vegetables :)
Tom Gardner
Jun 3, 2013, 7:45:50 PM6/3/13
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RustyHinge wrote:
> On 23/05/13 13:12, Adam Funk wrote:
>
>> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>> --- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
Many aren't worth bothering about, except as a curiosity.
> On 23/05/13 13:12, Adam Funk wrote:
>
>> Are any of the non-deadly poisonous ones things that anyone would
>> actually want to eat, though? (For taste, I mean --- hallucinogenic
>> ones are of course a different kettle of fish.) AIUI, mushrooms are
>> generally divided into (1) tasty & safe, (2) dangerous, & (3) neither
>> --- with the majority falling in the 3rd group.
> St George's mushroom, Tricholoma gambosum.
> Lactarius deliciosus.
Yum.
> Macrolepiota procera, parasolmushroom, but be cautious with M. rhacodes, shaggy parasol.
> 'Cauliflower fungus', Sperassis crispa.
> Fistulina hepatica, beefsteak fungus.
Ugh, nasty, bitter.
> Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig
> Merasmius oreades, fairy ring champignon - useful, as it dries, and rehydrates like new.
> Armillaria mellea, honey fungus, pickles well, otherwise falls into the third group.
>
> Lycoperdon species and Calvatia species. Giant puffballs may be sliced to the thickness of a goodly slice of bread and fried. (Try butter!) To make it into a real treat, fry the slices in butter, whip
> them out of the pan when they are good and brown, then dip them in batter and sling them back into the pan...
I also had a particularly delicious "chicken of the woods"
Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
obliged!
Jew's ear (sorry forget the modern PC name) Auricularia auricula-judae
is great in soups/stews, for the texture.
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 7:47:56 PM6/3/13
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On 04/06/13 00:33, Tom Gardner wrote:
> Some of which are also poisonous, e.g. blewetts bought
> in Waitrose complete with the necessary "cook before
> eating" label!
I've never known anyone upset by properly cooked blewits. Raw, they
> Some of which are also poisonous, e.g. blewetts bought
> in Waitrose complete with the necessary "cook before
> eating" label!
haemolise the blood.
> Just like many other vegetables. Nasty things vegetables :)
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Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 3, 2013, 7:55:33 PM6/3/13
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worth looking after. First edition *is* 1981.
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Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 4, 2013, 7:31:57 AM6/4/13
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On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
>
>> Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig
>
> Always turned to a watery mush for me :(
Only use the caps which are not turning to (p)ink.
>
>> Coprinus comatus, shaggy ink cap, lawyer's wig
>
> Always turned to a watery mush for me :(
Do not discard the stalk, just clean the base. Slice the whole
mushroom(s) in half longitudinally.
Fry in an excess of butter. Remove from heat and put aside.
Make a roux from the remaining butter and work it into a sauce with a
decent white wine.
Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and
give it a short blast in the microwave.
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Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 4, 2013, 7:33:39 AM6/4/13
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On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> Merasmius oreades, fairy ring champignon - useful, as it dries, and
>> rehydrates like new.
>
> Careful; too many similar "LBJs", some nasty e.g. poison pie.
I really can't understand *anyone* mistaking M. oreades for anything else.
>> rehydrates like new.
>
> Careful; too many similar "LBJs", some nasty e.g. poison pie.
Nor the converse.
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Rusty Hinge
RustyHinge
Jun 4, 2013, 7:42:31 AM6/4/13
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On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
> I also had a particularly delicious "chicken of the woods"
> Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
> enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
> obliged!
I've never found one in decent enough condition to try,unfortunately,
> Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
> enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
> obliged!
and I've been a mad mushroom maniac since around 1951...
> Jew's ear (sorry forget the modern PC name) Auricularia auricula-judae
> is great in soups/stews, for the texture.
find it growing on me 'ed - after all, I am an elder innit). It
rehydrates as effectively as Merasmius oreades and when dry, it can be
granulated in a coffee grinder or powdered in a liquidiser.
If you do the latter, keep one specially for this purpose as it is less
than kind to the blades.
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vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 4, 2013, 8:30:13 AM6/4/13
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RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and
> give it a short blast in the microwave.
What's the microwaving for? Surely everything is already hot from having
> Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and
> give it a short blast in the microwave.
just been made?
Tom Gardner
Jun 4, 2013, 8:55:18 AM6/4/13
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convinced there would be much flavour of the Cc,
but might try it.
Tom Gardner
Jun 4, 2013, 8:57:20 AM6/4/13
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RustyHinge wrote:
> On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
>
>> I also had a particularly delicious "chicken of the woods"
>> Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
>> enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
>> obliged!
>
> I've never found one in decent enough condition to try,unfortunately, and I've been a mad mushroom maniac since around 1951...
Only one I've had too :( All the others have been too woody.
> On 04/06/13 00:45, Tom Gardner wrote:
>
>> I also had a particularly delicious "chicken of the woods"
>> Laetiporus sulphureus, caught between the lion and tiger
>> enclosures at Longleat. No I didn't get out; a nearby warden
>> obliged!
>
> I've never found one in decent enough condition to try,unfortunately, and I've been a mad mushroom maniac since around 1951...
>
>> Jew's ear (sorry forget the modern PC name) Auricularia auricula-judae
>> is great in soups/stews, for the texture.
>
> Yes. I was just listing some off the top of me 'ed. I dry that (when I find it growing on me 'ed - after all, I am an elder innit). It rehydrates as effectively as Merasmius oreades and when dry, it
> can be granulated in a coffee grinder or powdered in a liquidiser.
>
> If you do the latter, keep one specially for this purpose as it is less than kind to the blades.
makes it worthwhile. The dried stuff from chinese supermarkets
is also acceptable from that PoV.
RustyHinge
Jun 4, 2013, 12:35:50 PM6/4/13
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RustyHinge
Jun 4, 2013, 12:38:57 PM6/4/13
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On 04/06/13 13:57, Tom Gardner wrote:
/dried mushrooms/
> I wouldn't grind it, because I think the texture is what
> makes it worthwhile. The dried stuff from chinese supermarkets
> is also acceptable from that PoV.
Excellent for flavouring and thickening.
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/dried mushrooms/
> I wouldn't grind it, because I think the texture is what
> makes it worthwhile. The dried stuff from chinese supermarkets
> is also acceptable from that PoV.
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vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
Jun 4, 2013, 6:05:37 PM6/4/13
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RustyHinge <rusty...@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and
>>> give it a short blast in the microwave.
>>
>> What's the microwaving for? Surely everything is already hot from having
>> just been made?
>
> How quickly can you turn a roux into a sauce?
Dunno, but I would put the toaster on whilst it was making rather than before,
>>> Make toast or fried bread, lay the mushrooms on it, cover with sauce and
>>> give it a short blast in the microwave.
>>
>> What's the microwaving for? Surely everything is already hot from having
>> just been made?
>
> How quickly can you turn a roux into a sauce?
I think. Sounds nicer than microwaved cold toast, anyhow. I find that tends
to go a bit hard. (I'd probably just eat the toast cold - I have no problem
with lukewarm food)
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