Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
mountain_spring
Hello,
On my property I have plenty of hornbeam and dogwood transplants as well
as some oak, dog rose and some other native plants.
I would like to plant a 50 meters long hedge and I would like it to be
about 1.5-2 meters high in 2-4 years.
I would like it to be informal, natural looking hedge that I would trim
once or mostly twice per year.
Would it work if I mix hornbeam with dogwood and other plants, or should
I use hornbeam only since I have it most?
Should I plant in one or two rows, and how many plants per meter?
Thanks a lot,
Mountain
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mountain_spring
Spamlet
"mountain_spring" <mountain_sp...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in
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As I understand it, hornbeam is relatively slow growing, giving a
particularly heavy wood for fuel purposes. Dogwood is fast growing and
suckers horrendously. Of course, a lot depends on your soil, but I would
accompany your hornbeam with hazel, hawthorn and blackthorn - almost
anything but dogwood I would say... (But I'm not a butterfly, so perhaps
one or two.)
S
harry
Natural hedges are one of the latest crazes with the planners these
days.
You need a double row @ 450mm centres. Hawthorn, holly, hazel,
elderbery etc. It needs leaving 'til its about five or six feet high
& then "laying" by bending the stems over horizontal. They might need
a nick to make tem stay down. This gives a dense hedge that is more
security proof than barbed wire.
You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers.
bobharvey
> You need a double row @ 450mm centres. Hawthorn, holly, hazel,
> elderbery etc. It needs leaving 'til its about five or six feet high
> & then "laying" by bending the stems over horizontal. They might need
> a nick to make tem stay down. This gives a dense hedge that is more
> security proof than barbed wire.
> You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers.
Yes, yes and yes.
Hornbeam can be VERY slow compared to the others. I'd establish hazel
and hawthorn, and plant the Hornbeam & Holly as 'standards', rather
than including them in the laying. Then add dog rose 10 years later
to work it's way in and out. Blackthorn will spread and sucker all
over the place, but I do like it a lot, the blossom is fantastic, as
is the hawthorn. Your choice.
Dave Hill
There is no way I would plant Elderberry in a young hedge, it would
swamp its neighbours in no time.
I would be tempted to add some lonicera nitidia after around 3 years,
just stick in cuttings in the autumn, this would give some evergreen
cover for the birds in winter.
I did this to my hawthorne hedge and had around 80% take.
Why not add a couple of Bird Cherry as standards as well
David Hill
kay
harry;900740 Wrote:
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> You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers.
Are you sure about that? According to Stace (accepted as the authority
on the British flora) both Dogwood, Cornus sanguinea, and the creeping
dwarf cornel, Cornus suecica, are native.
The red-stemmed White Dogweed, Cornus alba, isn't native, but from the
the fact that the OP has a lot of dogwood suggests he isn't talking
about this one.
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kay
Stewart Robert Hinsley
<kay.7...@gardenbanter.co.uk> writes
sericea (commoner than its close relative Cornus alba) is considerably
less widespread that Cornus sanguinea, as, around here, I had the
impression that the two species were about equally common. But, as both
are used in amenity plantings it is difficult to distinguish "wild"
specimens from "cultivated" ones. Alternatively, my identification of
the species when not fruiting may not be reliable.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
Spamlet
"harry" <harol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dogwood is native, and is OK if left alone, but if you start cutting it, it
suckers very badly and can take over whole hillsides - one big 'scrub
bashing' mistake, was cutting it down rather than winching it out.
"Another earlier name of the dogwood in English is the whipple-tree.
Geoffrey Chaucer uses the word whippletree in The Canterbury Tales ("The
Knight's Tale", verse 2065) to refer to the dogwood"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogwood
When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic
facts?
S
Mike Lyle
[...]>
> When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most
> basic facts?
>
connection, you have the opportunity to learn how people in amiable
groups like this one usually talk to one another. Check it out: the
skill is transferable, and could pay dividends in your non-Usenet life.
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Mike.
Spamlet
"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any
rude people.
S
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
<spam.m...@invalid.invalid> writes
in order to post a faux correction to be the epitome of politeness.
As for your earlier question, there's a relevant quotation from Mark
Twain, that goes, roughly, it's not what you don't know that's the
problem, it's what you know that ain't so.
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
harry
> "Mike Lyle" <mike_lyle...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Must be the only one youu're in then :-)
vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk
> As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any
> rude people.
You can't have looked very far, then.
bobharvey
you've /really/ not been looking, have you?
Spamlet
"Stewart Robert Hinsley" <{$news$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hi Stewart,
On the contrary on the first part (sorry but over my head on the second), I
wasn't intending any 'correction' of your comments: which have all been
interesting and knowledgeable. If you are the BSBI member I take you to
be, you will be as aware of the reporting of finds from gardens as I am.
Others, happening across this group as I did, might not be aware of the
possibility of finding an important 'weed' in their garden though, so I just
took the opportunity of giving them a plug.
As I have been housebound and rather out of any sort of surveying - other
than of the bugs and weeds that turn up indoors - lately (particularly
galling in what appears to be an excellent fungi season) I have been missing
out on BSBI - and even the local BNA, news, so your input here has been
appreciated.
Regards,
S
Darto
hello all,
sorry to jump in on this thread but my question though hedge related
isn't specifically re this thread. I have recently come across a hedging
described as "Wonder hedge" a Turkestan elm which would be ideal for
quickly filling the wind tunnel of a hole in my current hedge. is there
a catch ? i'm fearing japanes knotweed, himalayan balsam leylandii etc.
or is it not too good to be true. any one had a go wit it
apologies forbutting in
darto x
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Darto
mountain_spring
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> When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most
> basic
The thing is that I would like to use resource that I already have on my
property which was not used for few years so instead of cutting
everything that is grown naturally, I've chose to use what I have and
also save money.
And what I have is hornbeam and dogwood which is native for this region
of Croatia where my 6acre property is located.
On web I couldn't find anything about mixing hornbeam and dogwood
particularly, so if you have checked all the basic facts about that,
please let me know.
Otherwise, I think that in specific situations like this it is best to
ask experienced people, and I guess there is some on forum.
Should I mix hornbeam and dogwood in hedge and in what way?
Should I use them separately for different hedges on property?
Thanks,
Martin
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mountain_spring
bobharvey
Interesting. I've been to the web site, and have the following
thoughts:
1. I agree with you, importing non-native plants should be done with
caution
2. If it grows 1.5 metres in the first year, presumably it does the
same every year after that? You'd have to keep on top of that!
bobharvey
Ah yes.
Just found this on the web site:
http://www.wonderhedge.co.uk/sovenygaleria/dscf4269.html
Stewart Robert Hinsley
<e483ad7f-aef7-44ae...@c21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
bobharvey <rupert.of....@gmail.com> writes
The plant being talked about is Ulmus pumila. The Wikipedia article
isn't very positive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulmus_pumila
It is being marketed as Ulmus pumila celer. As far as I can tell the
varietal name hasn't been formally published, but I presume that this is
a fast growing selection of the species. I'd guess that you'd treat it
like a beech hedge.
If properly trimmed (some) elms do make decent hedges. (I don't know
what species occurs in hedges around here - as a free growing plant
Ulmus glabra is much the commoner, but the form of the leaves changes
when trimmed, and I'm don't know whether the hedge elms are Ulmus glabra
or Ulmus procera.)
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
Spamlet
"mountain_spring" <mountain_sp...@gardenbanter.co.uk> wrote in
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Apologies Martin,
How interesting to hear from Croatia! Unfortunately, my one friend who
might have had a good answer for you was brought up in Slovenia/Croatia, but
has now decamped to farming in New Zealand, and we've got out of touch. Her
stories of the wonderful plants and wildlife in her home land always made me
wonder what on earth brought her to the UK (before the awful troubles). You
are in one of Europe's key areas of floristic richness, so it is good to
hear you want to use native local stock. Probably your best bet is to have
a wander around and see what is the range of species in the better of the
hedges in your area.
You could certainly pull off suckers from the dogwood to start your hedge
off, and in the meantime collect fruits from other hedges with different
species, and start your own nursery of local strains, to add interest to
your hedge as you go. (A number of groups in the UK have started their own
nurseries raising hedging plants from locally collected fruits, and you may
even find there are similar groups in your country. Andrew Bowman-Shaw in
my area, some years back organised local school children to collect from
local hedgerows to make a stock of hedging plants. A quick Googling shows
he seems to be doing well:
http://www.hortweek.com/channel/Arboriculture/article/985482/Tree---Woodland-Company-overloaded-work/ )
Here is a link to pages on the Croatian Flora: you may find more useful
links from there.
http://www.botanic.hr/cisb/Edoc/flora/flora.htm
(I have a few little books on the flora, but can't read them myself I'm
afraid: pictures are nice though:-)
Good luck.
S