Help for Heros?

[Steerpike]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550

I wonder as lots of group members seem to be involved with fund-raising for "Help for Heros", if anyone can explain why they dont appear to be doing what their given name suggests?

[Tony99]

On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:57:35 AM UTC+1, Steerpike wrote:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550
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> I wonder as lots of group members seem to be involved with fund-raising for "Help for Heros", if anyone can explain why they dont appear to be doing what their given name suggests?

Interesting that no one involved with helping this dodgy charity to operate, seems able to defend its practices putting 30% of donations into swish new buildings, and keeping the rest for admin costs?

[Tony99]

On Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:49:15 AM UTC+1, Judith, Massif Central France. wrote:
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> It is NOT a dodgy charity, stop trying to cause trouble, it won't work
>
> simply because people will either killfile you or not read you. I
>
> hope your next post is about gardening.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550 would seem to suggest otherwise! If posters on here choose to post links to criminal operations, personally I cant see what that has to do with gardening?

[Frederick Williams]

Steerpike wrote:
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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550
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> I wonder as lots of group members seem to be involved with fund-raising for "Help for Heros", if anyone can explain why they dont appear to be doing what their given name suggests?

What is heroic about invading a foreign country and killing its people?

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Where are the songs of Summer?--With the sun,
Oping the dusky eyelids of the south,
Till shade and silence waken up as one,
And morning sings with a warm odorous mouth.

[Tony99]

I had difficulty working that out too.........not one of the countries recently invaded by UK forces posed any sort of threat to our security, so one wonders why exactly the attacks were carried out in the first place?

[Baz]

"Judith, Massif Central France." <judith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:69cbe310-999b-4c53...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com:

> X-No-Archive:Yes
> On 20 Sep, 08:04, Tony99 <gloomy.gobli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is NOT a dodgy charity, stop trying to cause trouble, it won't work
> simply because people will either killfile you or not read you. I
> hope your next post is about gardening.
>

None of his posts are about gardening, probably never will be.
The charity is first class so ignore the idiot.

Baz

[Ophelia]

"Baz" <b...@fawlty.com> wrote in message
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Thanks, Baz!

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[David Hill]

>>> It is NOT a dodgy charity, stop trying to cause trouble, it won't work
>>> simply because people will either killfile you or not read you. I
>>> hope your next post is about gardening.
>>>
>>
>> None of his posts are about gardening, probably never will be.
>> The charity is first class so ignore the idiot.
>
> Thanks, Baz!
>

I was always brought up to believe that a good helping of Bull Sh**
helped things grow.

[Ophelia]

"David Hill" <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote in message
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I am learning ... ;o)

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[John]

Why should charities pay for everything that a wounded service person needs to carry on their normal life?

The government agreed to fight the war in the first place, so it is their responsibility to pay for the costs of their decisions. Except of course that would mean using taxpayers money, and taxpayers want to keep as much of it as they possibly can.

So, if you feel the need to blame someone, blame yourself for not insisting that you pay more to the MOD each year and they can use it to improve rehabilitation conditions, instead of relying on those who are far more generous than yourself.

[Tony99]

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> None of his posts are about gardening, probably never will be.
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> The charity is first class so ignore the idiot.
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> Baz

Several on here seem to support and maybe even fund raise for this dodgy charity, so it seems to be a valid topic for discussion?

Personally if I were a disabled ex serviceman, I would find something like a properly fitting artificial limb, a great deal more useful than a flashy new building, that may well be to far away to be of any possible use to me anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550

[Tony99]

101% correct...........in this case though it would seem "Help for Heros" are colluding with the MOD in providing donated money to part fund lavish new building projects, which are of no conceivable use to many ex service people. Except for the ex servicemen, trebles all round I would say................

[Gary Woods]

David Hill <da...@abacus-nurseries.co.uk> wrote:

>I was always brought up to believe that a good helping of Bull Sh**
>helped things grow.

My more gently spoken farmer friends call it "heifer dust."


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[Tony99]

Bull Shit has certainly assisted "Help for Heros" in becoming on of the most profitable "charity" operations in the UK.............

[Ophelia]

> On Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:04:27 AM UTC+1, Tony99 wrote:
>> On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:57:35 AM UTC+1, Steerpike wrote:
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>> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550
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>> > I wonder as lots of group members seem to be involved with fund-raising
>> > for "Help for Heros", if anyone can explain why they dont appear to be
>> > doing what their given name suggests?
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>>
>> Interesting that no one involved with helping this dodgy charity to
>> operate, seems able to defend its practices putting 30% of donations into
>> swish new buildings, and keeping the rest for admin costs?

Steerpike and Tony99 are one and the same person (Chris Stevens) How sad
he needs to agree with himself to disrupt the group.

I think anyone from the Services, or their families, would agree that the
government should provide all the care and facilities required to give
injured personnel the best care available. In fact there should be no need
for a charity to be involved with any of that. However, the reality is that
the budget available to the MOD can either be spent on providing the best
equipment available to minimise casualties or it can be spent on treating
those who become casualties. Let's ignore the waste, that happens in any
branch of government. the only way to provide for the best care and
equipment for both the troops on the forward line and those who need care
afterwards would be to raise taxes to raise the MOD budget. That impacts
everyone regardless of their personal circumstances or beliefs. So to bridge
the gap, despite the fact it should not be there, charities are needed.

Those flash buildings on which you 'accuse' H4H of spending money include
the UK's first and best rehabilitation pool and centre specifically for
Service amputees , and some of the best staff, equipment, and after care
available anywhere! Ask any of the soldiers who have been through there if
they think it has all been wasted on admin costs. You might as well accuse
the British Legion or SSAFA of doing nothing for ex-soldiers or their
families. typical of the sort of comment from someone who has never been
there and is talking from ignorance rather than actual knowledge!

Apologies to the gardeners, I am here to learn about gardening, but I
couldn't let that one go!

H4H is a wonderful charity, one that I wholeheartedly support and which does
wonderful work! Chris Stevens should hope he never needs that kind of
assistance.

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[Tony99]

I wonder why H4H feels plush new buildings (which are of no conceivable use to most ex service people), are so much more important than things such as artificial limbs, which are required for everyday living?

If you are an ex service person, then your comments about these operators are worthy of serious consideration, but if not I for one feel that these views are of far more value: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550

In terms of donation revenues I would imagine that H4H is in the top 5 of the UK operators, and in common with the others around about 75% of these revenues, will be directed toward "admin" costs..............a "wonderful" charity indeed!

[Ken]

On Friday, September 21, 2012 10:02:44 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT), Tony99

> The facts are here -
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> http://www.charitiesdirect.com/charities/help-for-heroes-1120920.html
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> Your post libels the administrators.
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> Martin

Not at all..........they are almost certainly behaving properly, the scamming will be related to money being skimmed off the building project work.

This is something that has been endemic for many years in relation to works linked to the MOD, and I see little reason why those running H4H would not want to get their snouts in the trough too.

[Ken]

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> "In terms of donation revenues I would imagine that H4H is in the top
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> 5 of the UK operators, and in common with the others around about 75%
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> of these revenues, will be directed toward "admin" costs..."
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> Martin


What untrue in the same way those involved in illegal wars designed to further the political and economic ambitions of the US, are being referred to as "heros"?

[Ophelia]

"Martin" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:dmco58t9nd0kl94nn...@4ax.com...

> "In terms of donation revenues I would imagine that H4H is in the top
> 5 of the UK operators, and in common with the others around about 75%

> of these revenues, will be directed toward "admin" costs..."
>
> is both untrue and libelous

Thank you Martin. Stevens is undoubtedly too lazy, and anxious to avoid
facts getting in the way of his prejudice, to actually follow your link so
to avoid any doubt here are the figures

Headline Figures:

Period End Sep 2011

***Admin Costs as % of Total expenditure -0.15%***

Now, I have no more interest in responding to KEN, Steerpike and Tony99
(Chris Stevens) (Yes, all one and the same idiot) I believe now he is just
desperately trying to generate an argument and he will get no more from me!

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[Ken]

I can understand the reasons for that.........you wouldnt want to discuss the whys and wherefores of a "charity" operation that supports terrorism now would you?

[Ken]

On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:12:02 AM UTC+1, Judith, Massif Central France. wrote:
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> Good post O, however we have a bit of savvy and had worked out that
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You dont seem to have the savvy required to steer clear of a business making an awful lot of money from dodgy building projects linked to the MOD though...............

[John]

Certainly not on a gardening newsgroup - no.

Presumably you are a coward who dare not venture onto the likes of uk.politics.misc for fear of the mauling you would get?

So you choose what you believe to be a group full of kind old ladies and retired gentlemen and try to peddle your nonsense here instead?

[Ken]

> >What untrue in the same way those involved in illegal wars designed to further the political and economic ambitions of the US, are being referred to as "heros"?
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> What is untrue and libelous is the claim "... and in common with the
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> others around about 75% of these revenues will be directed to "admin
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> costs" "
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> If you can prove this statement either put up or shut up.
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> Martin


I wonder if you would be able to provide full details of any of the sovereign states which have been attacked by UK forces in the last 10 years say, that posed any sort of direct threat to either the security or the people of the UK?

As to scamming donated money, I would guess this is the main reason for many very costly building projects, which mean its very easy to skim off considerable sums in cash.

If this were not the case, then I would guess proper support in the form of things ex-service people actually need to help with everyday existence would be forthcoming.

As it is disabled ex-service people are forced to put up with cheap Chinese made artificial limbs, which in many cases dont fit properly, which makes any attempt to use them to help with mobility very difficult.

[John]

Well, you know the answer,

Start your own charity for the wounded and buy only British products, including false limbs.

Whingeing like a child is not going to help.

[Ken]

Do you feel that crooks making enormous profits out of the suffering of ex service people is quite acceptable then John?

[Pete]

>"Ken" wrote in message
>news:63489021-55d0-4ddc...@googlegroups.com...

>Do you feel that crooks making enormous profits out of the suffering of ex
>service people is quite acceptable then John?

Crooks = criminal activity -- serious accusation there Ken (:-(

Evidence ?

Pete

[Ken]

Open your eyes, and have a look at the reasons why multi million pound building projects, and not the type of things needed for everyday living are being paid for by donations.............

[Ken]

On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:27:24 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:49:01 -0700 (PDT), Ken

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> <gloomy....@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >I wonder if you would be able to provide full details of any of the sovereign states which have been attacked by UK forces in the last 10 years say, that posed any sort of direct threat to either the security or the people of the UK?
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> Which is totally irrelevant
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> So you can't justify your allegations.. Better get yourself a good
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> lawyer. You are going to need one.
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I dont think for one moment crims who are currently making extremely good profits, would be interested in taking legal action, which might well draw attention to their activities.........do you Martin?

[Ken]

On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:27:24 AM UTC+1, Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:49:01 -0700 (PDT), Ken
>
> <gloomy....@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >What untrue in the same way those involved in illegal wars designed to further the political and economic ambitions of the US, are being referred to as "heros"?
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> >I wonder if you would be able to provide full details of any of the sovereign states which have been attacked by UK forces in the last 10 years say, that posed any sort of direct threat to either the security or the people of the UK?
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> Which is totally irrelevant
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> So you can't justify your allegations.. Better get yourself a good
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> lawyer. You are going to need one.
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> Martin

I would have thought terrorist attacks being paid for by cash strapped UK taxpayers is very much relevant to those paying the cost!

[John]

I will assume that your deliberate attempt to avoid the subject of getting off your arse and doing some honest charitable work yourself, means that you are not the slightest bit interested in doing any hard work, but you just prefer the easy option of making unsubstantiated allegations from behind your firewall?

If you want to rail against organisations making enormous profits, you could start with the energy companies.

Are you frightened of them?

[Ken]

I would agree entirely about the energy companies, but as the robbery they are engaged in is supported 100% by the establishment, there is little anyone can do about it.

As to "honest" charitable work, it seems you dont quite understand how these businesses actually work? Deceiving those making donations is pivotal to cash flow, and should the true manner they operate become generally known, the cash flows would be drastically reduced.

[Baz]

"Ophelia" <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote in
news:k3hd48$gvr$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> Now, I have no more interest in responding to KEN, Steerpike and
> Tony99 (Chris Stevens) (Yes, all one and the same idiot) I believe
> now he is just desperately trying to generate an argument and he will
> get no more from me!
>
> O
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Ophelia, you could ignore these trolls.
They feed off of responses and renew their lurch.
Just ignore them, or more precisely, one poster who shifts his or her
nym.
My advice, to be clear, do not respond.
Start a new thread on your subject?

Baz

[Ken]

Baz do you not find it distasteful that various businesses are generating enormous profits in direct relationship to the suffering of ex service people, who to all intents and purposes have been dumped by the MOD?

Like it or not, when the propaganda relating to all this is dismissed, profit is the primary motive here, and means that those in dire need of the necessities to help with everyday life, are forced to go without...........

The above view is something that was put forward after one of the "charities" involved in this area, had been investigated by the BBC and the Bureau of Investigative Journalists, and has nothing whatever to do with the fictions generated by the businesses involved, which help them to rake in such enormous sums.

[Ophelia]

"Baz" <b...@fawlty.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA0D68C2E07B...@81.171.92.236...

> Ophelia, you could ignore these trolls.
> They feed off of responses and renew their lurch.
> Just ignore them, or more precisely, one poster who shifts his or her
> nym.
> My advice, to be clear, do not respond.
> Start a new thread on your subject?

You are quite right! I have said i will post more on that subject and I
will not!

Now let me see ... a thread on my subject ...

My flipping courgettes came to nothing and I have chucked the lot in my
compost bin:( You do realise I am the only person in the world to have had
a failure with courgettes???? The fact that I was very late sowing the
seeds might have had a lot to do with it, as well as the weather:(

Not a very interesting topic but I am sulking about it!

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[Ken]

Strange you are happy to go with flow on a thread relating to these operators, and seem to think those who investigated them recently are not telling the truth!

[Ophelia]

"Judith, Massif Central France." <judith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
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> I can't believe it!!!!! Can I send you a barrowload, COD?

I already said yes to you but none arrived:)

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[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <k3kete$eim$4...@dont-email.me>,

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>
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>My flipping courgettes came to nothing and I have chucked the lot in my
>compost bin:( You do realise I am the only person in the world to have had
>a failure with courgettes???? The fact that I was very late sowing the
>seeds might have had a lot to do with it, as well as the weather:(

You're not. I have done that so often that I have given up on
ordinary courgettes - but, THIS year, even the normally reliable
Little Gem, Trompetta d'Albenga and a New Zealand hubbard type
have done very badly. I had to bin one of the Trompetta before
getting any, because of blight, and another has produced NO
courgettes.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Ophelia]

"Judith, Massif Central France." <judith...@googlemail.com> wrote in
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> On 22 Sep, 15:24, "Ophelia" <Ophe...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> "Judith, Massif Central France." <judith.le...@googlemail.com> wrote in
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> Whoops, senior moment, can you come and pick them up? I have let some
> get too big and put a lot in the somposter. However I see a huge one
> has escaped, I need some pectin as I shall make marrow and Ginger jam
> from it. I made Jenny's courgette soup but my hand slipped a bit, on
> purpose, with the cumin, Edward loved it but it was too spicy for me,
> you would like it sans Cumin I think.

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[Ophelia]

<nm...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:k3ki9m$j14$1...@needham.csi.cam.ac.uk...

Thanks, Nick! It is comforting to know it is not my inexperience that
caused my lack of ... :)

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[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
> My flipping courgettes came to nothing and I have chucked the lot in my
> compost bin:( You do realise I am the only person in the world to have had
> a failure with courgettes???? The fact that I was very late sowing the
> seeds might have had a lot to do with it, as well as the weather:(

I failed utterly with both courgettes and beans this year. Nothing got
past the slugs. It's been very depressing watching everyone else's plants
going for it and mine just turning to skeletons, and no idea why mine are
so much tastier to them than the rest. :'(

[Ophelia]

<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ac65tn...@mid.individual.net...

Thanks, Vicky. It helps to know i am not so totally inadequate.

Oh BTW I can't say mine were munched because wasn't anything much to
munch:( As for yours, you probably grow them to be so delicious they were
irresistible!!!
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[Bob Hobden]

Nick wrote

It never ceases to amaze me that in such a small country people could have
such different conditions and failures. Our Courgettes have been superb this
year, not able to pick them all before them became too big. The Butternuts
have also done well after a very slow start and the fruit are huge this
year, the problem is, will they get a chance to ripen before the first
frost.
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[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <ac6rsr...@mid.individual.net>,

Bob Hobden <Bo...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>It never ceases to amaze me that in such a small country people could have
>such different conditions and failures. Our Courgettes have been superb this
>year, not able to pick them all before them became too big. The Butternuts
>have also done well after a very slow start and the fruit are huge this
>year, the problem is, will they get a chance to ripen before the first
>frost.

It's not the size of the country, actually - the same is often true
between two gardens a mile away. Microclimate, soil and microflora
and microfauna are all nearly as variable over that distance as they
are over large chunks of the country. That is why we have so many
wild plants that grow in every county, but are local everywhere!

But I agree that it is amazing. I find it particularly so when it
happens over a distance of a mile with no apparent reason - I may
syspect microflora, but that isn't much more of an explanation than
saying gremlins ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Bob Hobden]

Nick wrote

A good example of that is a neighbour at home who still has a superb row of
tomatoes out in his garden covered in fruit and no sign of blight (or
Bordeaux Mixture). Yet on our allotments a mile or so away I am the only one
with any tomato plants still alive (just) everyone else lost theirs months
ago.

[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <ac7uen...@mid.individual.net>,

Bob Hobden <Bo...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>A good example of that is a neighbour at home who still has a superb row of
>tomatoes out in his garden covered in fruit and no sign of blight (or
>Bordeaux Mixture). Yet on our allotments a mile or so away I am the only one
>with any tomato plants still alive (just) everyone else lost theirs months
>ago.

I have exactly the same problem. My problems with spraing and
eelworm are explicable, but I have not the slightest idea why my
garden is a blight trap.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Ophelia]

"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ac6q9p...@mid.individual.net...

> We have sprawling great mounds of courgettes leaves and precious few
> courgettes. They seem to have pollinated very badly and while a few have
> turned into ugly round marrows while unwatched, they really are very few.
> But they're still flowering like crazy, especially the ones that got
> dumped on one of the compst heaps last year!

Mine got plenty of leaves and flowers but not actual growing courgettes:(
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[Ophelia]

"Bob Hobden" <Bo...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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Pah ... it's ok for some!
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[Steerpike]

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"The charity provides direct, practical support to wounded, injured and sick Service personnel, veterans, and their families."

I wonder if this is indeed the case, why ex service people are obliged to use cheap poorly fitting Chinese made artificial limbs supplied by the MOD?

Seems worrying that H4H seems to be telling blatant lies on its merchandising site, unless of course they feel that flashy new buildings are reflective of a desire to provide "direct, practical support" to ex service people?

If even 10% of those helping with fund-raising for H4H were to question where the money actually goes, then I think its pretty that more money would be directed into practical support, and perhaps a little less interest in nice little earners from new build projects?

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
> It's not the size of the country, actually - the same is often true
> between two gardens a mile away.

Or two allotments next to each other!

My neighbour who used to have a plot near ours (before they were ours) said
her husband could never grow beans, but had no problem with carrots and onions.
We have never (till this year!) had a problem with beans, but have always had
whiterot with the onions (which may have come in after she left, I guess) and
slugs and carrot fly with the carrots - to the point where there is barely any
carrot in the carrot!

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Bob Hobden <Bo...@invalid.com> wrote:
> A good example of that is a neighbour at home who still has a superb row of
> tomatoes out in his garden covered in fruit and no sign of blight (or
> Bordeaux Mixture). Yet on our allotments a mile or so away I am the only one
> with any tomato plants still alive (just) everyone else lost theirs months
> ago.

Ah, but that could be difference of variety. Some are a /lot/ more susceptible
to blight than others. And despite what whoeveritwas on tv said, some of the
varieties seem a lot better at 'holding it off' out of the fruit whilst the
stem and leaves lower down have been infected!

[vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk]

Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk> wrote:
>> We have sprawling great mounds of courgettes leaves and precious few
>> courgettes. They seem to have pollinated very badly and while a few have
>> turned into ugly round marrows while unwatched, they really are very few.
>> But they're still flowering like crazy, especially the ones that got
>> dumped on one of the compst heaps last year!
>
> Mine got plenty of leaves and flowers but not actual growing courgettes:(

Remind me, must nip to the allotment later, cos last time I was there it
looked like the one remaining squash-type-plant (which I had assumed was
a trailing courgette or a pumpkin or possibly a butternut) had managed
to start looking fruity, and it had some tiny patty pans on it! So I may
actually /finally/ get a little squash or two this year!

(The boys will be sad at the lack of pumpkin carving this year, though)

[Baz]

nm...@cam.ac.uk wrote in news:k3mko8$ibf$1...@needham.csi.cam.ac.uk:

I wonder if a gardener can pick up and carry/transmit spores, disease or
parasites and such on their clothing or even on the bodyhair, and carry
them to the garden. Sort of cross contamination. The reason why I wonder
about this is because my vegetable garden is the only one I know of for
a mile or two, and I keep on getting different pests and diseases year
after year. This year it is the gooseberries, which have been here in
this garden for 40 years(so I am told) without any problems.
Then comes mildew 3 years ago and this year sawfly. I havn't been able
to grow any veg this year, but next year I know that there will be some
insect or infestation to burst my balloon.

Baz

[Ophelia]

<vi...@dinky.vm.bytemark.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ac89b4...@mid.individual.net...

> Remind me, must nip to the allotment later, cos last time I was there it
> looked like the one remaining squash-type-plant (which I had assumed was
> a trailing courgette or a pumpkin or possibly a butternut) had managed
> to start looking fruity, and it had some tiny patty pans on it! So I may
> actually /finally/ get a little squash or two this year!

Good luck!!!!

> (The boys will be sad at the lack of pumpkin carving this year, though)

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[Ophelia]

"Baz" <b...@fawlty.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA0D77E13C21...@81.171.92.236...

> I wonder if a gardener can pick up and carry/transmit spores, disease or
> parasites and such on their clothing or even on the bodyhair, and carry
> them to the garden. Sort of cross contamination. The reason why I wonder
> about this is because my vegetable garden is the only one I know of for
> a mile or two, and I keep on getting different pests and diseases year
> after year. This year it is the gooseberries, which have been here in
> this garden for 40 years(so I am told) without any problems.
> Then comes mildew 3 years ago and this year sawfly. I havn't been able
> to grow any veg this year, but next year I know that there will be some
> insect or infestation to burst my balloon.

How disheartening after all that hard work:(

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[nm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <XnsA0D77E13C21...@81.171.92.236>,

Baz <b...@fawlty.com> wrote:
>
>I wonder if a gardener can pick up and carry/transmit spores, disease or
>parasites and such on their clothing or even on the bodyhair, and carry
>them to the garden. Sort of cross contamination. The reason why I wonder
>about this is because my vegetable garden is the only one I know of for
>a mile or two, and I keep on getting different pests and diseases year
>after year. This year it is the gooseberries, which have been here in
>this garden for 40 years(so I am told) without any problems.
>Then comes mildew 3 years ago and this year sawfly. I havn't been able
>to grow any veg this year, but next year I know that there will be some
>insect or infestation to burst my balloon.

They can, but that's not the usual reason. Blight overwinters on
a wide variety of garden plants and weeds, and is wind-borne.
The same applies to most pests.

However, the root cause of variation with blight, mildew, rust
etc. is the weather. They thrive under specific circumstances
and, without those, you don't see them. That doesn't stop them
being ubiquitous, which they are.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

[Tickety-BooHoo]

Judith, Massif Central France. wrote:
> X-No-Archive:Yes
> On 20 Sep, 08:04, Tony99 <gloomy.gobli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, September 17, 2012 7:57:35 AM UTC+1, Steerpike wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19112550
>>
>>> I wonder as lots of group members seem to be involved with
>>> fund-raising for "Help for Heros", if anyone can explain why they
>>> dont appear to be doing what their given name suggests?
>>
>> Interesting that no one involved with helping this dodgy charity to
>> operate, seems able to defend its practices putting 30% of donations
>> into swish new buildings, and keeping the rest for admin costs?
>
> It is NOT a dodgy charity, stop trying to cause trouble, it won't work
> simply because people will either killfile you or not read you. I
> hope your next post is about gardening.

Judith,

Be aware that the person that you are responding to is actually "steerpike"
who has 'morphed' to Tony99 to respond to his own post.

He also posts as 'ken' - along with many other pseudo names to try and
confuse people.

As a matter of interest, he is actually named Christopher Stevens

[Pete]

>"Tickety-BooHoo" wrote in message news:k401le$hs6$1...@dont-email.me...

>Be aware that the person that you are responding to is actually "steerpike"
>who has 'morphed' to Tony99 to respond to his own post.

>He also posts as 'ken' - along with many other pseudo names to try and
>confuse people.

>As a matter of interest, he is actually named Christopher Stevens

Well Judith - that's as maybe but did you have to resurrect the gladly dead
thread
to inform of us of it. (:-(

Regards
"mr grumpy" pete in cheshire

[Steerpike]

If its not dodgy then I wonder why exactly most of the donations go toward plush MOD building projects, and operating "expenses"?


In real terms this is something that diverts desperately needed money from those who really need it, which means they have to put up with things like not having money to meet daily living expenses, and have to put up with shoddy cheaply made Chinese artificial limbs supplied by the MOD!

Nearly every "charity" operations in a similar way to H4H but they are particularly blatant, and even the name is misleading as I cannot see how people involved in terror attacks against countries which pose no threat to the UK can be seen as "Heros"!

I would suggest you return to fawning over Exeter rapists Tickety.........you dont seem very good at adult discussion!

[Steerpike]

Tickety likes to get a point over after the event..........he only started to offer support to an Exeter loony, 3 years after his ridiculous bullying legal action had been laid to rest!

[Janet Tweedy]

In article <c3807ae1-055f-4412...@googlegroups.com>, John
<sutart...@googlemail.com> writes
>I will assume that your deliberate attempt to avoid the subject of getting off your arse and doing some honest charitable work yourself, means
>that you are not the slightest bit interested in doing any hard work, but you just prefer the easy option of making unsubstantiated allegations
>from behind your firewall?
>
>If you want to rail against organisations making enormous profits, you could start with the energy companies.
>
>Are you frightened of them?



I thought the Gardening Leave charity (www.gardeningleave.org/) was On
Topic for this newsgroup and actually seems very worthwhile but
unfortunately only up in the north at the moment. i would be happy to
volunteer time etc. to help if they started it up down here.

Any charity set up to help ex-servicemen has my vote anyway, having just
laid a wreath at the Northern Ireland Veterans Association annual
service at Alrewas nat. Arboretum last Saturday
:)
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Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

[Mike]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message
news:GuREG2Cb...@lancedal.demon.co.uk...

Janet I have visited Alrewas quite a few times representing various ex
Service Associations I am involved with, and to me, the most "lump in the
throat" scene/site, is all the empty panels. Panels waiting for names to go
up.

And my Grandson has just joined the Royal Marine Band Service in the Corps
of Drums

Mike


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[Ophelia]

"Janet Tweedy" <j...@lancedal.net> wrote in message
news:GuREG2Cb...@lancedal.demon.co.uk...

> I thought the Gardening Leave charity (www.gardeningleave.org/) was On
> Topic for this newsgroup and actually seems very worthwhile but
> unfortunately only up in the north at the moment. i would be happy to
> volunteer time etc. to help if they started it up down here.

Thanks, Janet. That one is new to me.

> Any charity set up to help ex-servicemen has my vote anyway, having just
> laid a wreath at the Northern Ireland Veterans Association annual service
> at Alrewas nat. Arboretum last Saturday
> :)

Absolutely!
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[Tickety-BooHoo]

Archived for future reference

[Tickety-BooHoo]

Archived for future reference - libellous statement made at end of post.

[Steerpike]

Lol........a post very much along the lines of those made by bunt, shortly before he decided to immerse himself in the brown stuff................

[Tickety-BooHoo]

Archived for future reference - as for the "brown stuff", remember the old
saying:

Winning the first battle doesn't mean you win the war!

[Steerpike]

I would imagine that with someone such as yourself assisting him bunt is likely to lose even more miserably than the first time.........

[Steerpike]

I wonder what anyone would be likely to make of a gutless, nameless, troll, who appears to be concerned about being libelled?

[Steerpike]

Helping the US to get their hands on others mineral resources, is surely worth a few thousand dead UK service people though Mike?

[Janet Tweedy]

In article <pnd8681n87reda73b...@4ax.com>, Martin
<m...@address.invalid> writes
>I watched something on Beechgrove about a garden with raised beds for
>people with spinal injuries. It looked to me as if the design could
>be better. Narrower beds so that a person in a wheel chair can easily
>reach plants the middle. Maybe something like using hanging baskets
>would work too
>--
>
>Martin


And suitable for paraplegics but teraplegics might fall over! They could
really only reach stuff that they could get under with their wheelchairs
as they wouldn't be able to lean forward without falling over!

[Barry]

Those with those cut price Chinese artificial limbs might also be less than steady on their feet..............