KEEPNETS....USE THEM OR NOT??
rob bullen
very good net which i think is very safe for fish to be in. I am a very
considerate angler, and appreciate the suggestion you have posted, but felt
that i should reply to it. Many a time i have told an angler not to use a
keepnet on a water because i thought it may cause the fish damage.I know, I
know, Conservation is the word, but i've never seen fish go 'mental' because
they were in a keepnet, i've never had carp catch their fins in the keepnet
i use.Being of a dark blue colour, i think they calm down in there after
being caught.
So, how many other anglers feel the same as you?
Anyone care to comment?
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"Peter D" <pdo...@DELhome.com> wrote in message
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> Heh. Cultural differences are always a challenge, eh? :-)
>
> Curious about one thing though. You said you realeased them "at the
> end of the day". Why not release them ASAP after catching them? Why
> stress/keep the fish an unnecessarily long period of time, heat of the
> day, etc?
>
> Is it the weighing thing? If so, why not weigh each one and total them
> up at end of day? Or (better still, IMHO) use length records and scrap
> the whole weighing thing. It takes less than a minute to 'size' a fish
> and it can even be done alongside the boat, pole, tackle box, etc. if
> they are marked with measures. turst me, catch an (immediate) release
> is lots and lotsa of fun. Sometimes you'll even catch the same fish
> 2-3 times in a day. And if you don't, the guy on teh next peg might.
> :-)
>
> Just an idea. :-)
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> Peter D
>
> rob bullen wrote in message <8jtil1$m2t$1...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
> > While my brother and i were bagging up on bream a few years ago
> from a
> >lake in the grounds of a country park, a group of South Koreans were
> on a
> >day out which was something to do with Esso. When they saw what we
> were
> >catching, a few of them came over and asked us about the fish.
> >
> > A few minutes into this conversation, i realised that they wanted
> to
> >take the fish and cook them! We were even offered money for them, but
> we
> >declined the offer. When we released the fish at the end of the day,
> there
> >must have been 15 or 20 of them all looking in the water, watching
> them swim
> >off, with a look of utter amazement on their faces at the amount of
> fish we
> >were letting go.
> >
> >p.s. best days bream fishing i've had. over 140 lb between us. heh
> heh!
> >
> >
> >
> >"Blue Nose" <bluen...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> >> We have got a Pole who is catching Bream and eating them from our
> stretch
> >of
> >> the canal at Moor Lane in Birmingham.
> >>
> >> More info regarding this venue at www.bluenose.ukgateway.net
> >>
Peter D
banned on most UK waters. Dunno why I thought that. Anyway, I've never
lost a fish in a keep net -- I used to have one back in 70s. Back then
the 'rule' was not to have a net smaller than you could stand up in --
not drunk though, eh? :-)
I guess I was asking people to think about the reason why we do the
things we do. Most often it's because "that's the way we've always
done it". Example, comments re people eating their catch indicate it's
'not done' in UK. But here I try to get fisherman to think about *not*
eating every single thing they catch. Here it's like a 'rights' thing.
"A durned drug it out of the water, and ahma gonna top and tail it and
feed it to the young'uns!!" :-)
But, yes, it would be good to talk about how/why we fish the way we
do.
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Peter D
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col
point out that I use A keepnet most times I go fishing. but Rob Bullen has
just said in the post below that he has never had fish go "mental" because
it was in a keepnet, what exactly would be considered to be "mental" perhaps
screaming at the top of its fishy voice or repeatedly banging its head of
the keepnet. I don't know but I have never seen fish show any signs of going
"mental" neither but how do we know they aren't I have no evidence but I
have a feeling they do not enjoy the process. some times I think maybe I
wont use a keepnet in a pleasure session as there is no need but then again
I have heard that it can be bad for your swim some times if you return your
catch strait away especially Bream (maybe some of you can shed some light on
this subject). Anyway I have now forgotten what my point of all this was so
I'm going to stop sounding like Charles A. Anderson (Pisces SCUM) and go
fishing instead.
Hope you all have full nets.
Col
rob bullen <r.bu...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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ro...@cix.compulink.co.uk
up fishing again after a long break (stressful job, needed something
completely different to help me stay sane) I took a keep net along every
time. Caught very little. The first time I forgot it I caught a lovely
little ghost carp (at the time my biggest fish for 20 years).
Next time I took the keepnet and I blanked. Time after I deliberately left
it at home and caught.
The second reason is that I just believe that the sooner fish are returned
to the water the better. I can't believe that keeping them in a net does
them any good. If I want a photo I take it quickly a fish at a time; I've
seen anglers trying to release and/or admire a netload at the end of the
day and the fish are getting dropped and are bouncing about (because
they're fresher than straight after a fight). It's a personal thing. I
just don't like it.
It's also one less thing to carry and I like to fish as light as possible
these days.
ATB
robb
Peter D
have the experience that most of you have with UK fishing or the range
of species so my experiences are just that, mine. YMMV, etc. :-)
All scenarios "instant" catch and release:
Fishing of the dock in Lake of the Woods: Bass and small (under 2-3lb)
Pike. About 20 fish in 2 hours. All released to the same spot and
couldn't possibly have moved off somewhere else. IIRC at least one
fish was caught 2-3 times (recognizable because of healed torn lip).
Fishing River Red for Carp: About 12-13 fish in a four hour session,
all very large, probably 14-30", all returned to the same water, maybe
slightly downstream (can't recall).
Note: Same spot fished and fish held in large Carp Net for photo for a
few hours (no casualities) and the fishing went right off for about
2-3 weeks (but could have been other causes).
Fishing private pond near Bolton: Catching Roach on 2lb tackle and
maggot, barbless hooks. Catching hundreds of them in a session. Never
seemed to slow down (now, that was a good spot!!)
Fishing supply stream to Bradwell Reservoir (Sask): Caught 75-100
Perch, all small ones in a session. Though in fairness others were
catching hundreds as well.
Fishing my favourite Pike lake, with maybe 20 boats on the water, 4 to
a boat/catch/release (barbless) all day long, catching maybe 200 fish
a boat in a morning session. Some of those catches are definitley
duplicates/same fish.
If we assume (and it is an assumption) that fish "learn" by prolonged
exposure to negative/positive experiences (every time it rains, bugs
fall from that tree, the water here below the falls is turbulent and
lots of small fish get stunned and make an easy meal, every time I
smell nicotine or soap on food I get pulled out of my environment
after eating it), then it would make sense that the "negative" of
being caught is significantly reduced the faster the fish is returned
to the water. It probably follows that it is reinforced by being held
for a longer periood of time even if the hoding is non-threatening and
relatively comfortable.
Also, keeping the fish in one spot for a prolonged period will
probably interrupt their natural flow/rhythm in terms of eating, areas
frequented, and change patters and movement on the water. That makes a
differnece in terms of the wastes produced. It might even cause the
fish to produce warning chemicals (though I dont' think so) and given
enough fish the concentration may make it enough to "warn" all other
fish away from you.
The other point is that from a strictly numbers perspective if a given
body of water holds say 1000 fish and 50 anglers are each taking a
fish every 1/2 hour, then each 1/2 hour the anglers have a reducing
chance of a catch. At the end of the day, the available population is
significantly reduced.
Anyway, gotta go clean up the mess left by last night's storm. It must
have dumped 3" of water in about 4 hours. I got my own personal
boating pond out back!! Maybe I shoudl stock it. :-)
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Peter D
ro...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote in message
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Terry Strachan
You are supposed to pull it smoothly out of your swim and not let it turn or
it will "Flash" (light on scales, not opening raincoat) and spook the rest
of the fish
Dunno how true that all is but it sounds like I know what I am talking about
;-)
Terry
Oh and back to the original Post. I don't see a problem with keepnets
thesedays, they are top quality. Although, I have seen kids on a canal with
batterd old small round nets that get thrown about all over the place when a
boat went by.
col <t...@FUCKSPAM.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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andy r
Steve Burke
often used by a lot of anglers. I reckon the biggest problem of a
conventional net is overfilling them. Then when lifting the catch the fish
can get crushed. That's the main reason why, as a fishery owner, I ban them
except in the odd match that we have.
Yes I know there are now nets that release from the bottom, but in practice
many anglers don't use the feature. Additionally keepnets are rarely
staked out properly or are put into warm, shallow water. Either way I
believe some fish that seem fine on release later either die soon after or
get weakened and are thus more susceptible to disease or parasites.
I choose not to use keepnets myself except for a carp sack with rings when
moving fish (with a section 30 from the EA I hasten to add). I find that
even perch don't spook a swim if they're handled "quickly and correctly*
before being immediately returned.
I agree with Peter here - why are they needed except in a match (which can
at least be stewarded)? Is it because here's something macho about
struggling up the bank with a bulging net and displaying the entire contents
at once?
Steve Burke
Wingham Fisheries
www.anglersnet.co.uk/fisheries/wingham.htm
rob bullen <r.bu...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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SinVip
Companies that make them don't want to hurt fish and annoy customers right?
But unless you are a match fisherman it's just expense, something else to
carry, more noise and messing about on the bank and hey, you can't catch the
same fish twice if it's in a giant net can you?
Oh and if you want the total weight do each fish and take a calculator.
Just my tup'ence worth
SinVip