Super glue. To use or knot?
Alec Hall
Having started course fishing again after a lay off of some 45
years there is an amazing change in both technology and the size
and quality of fish.
I tie my own hooks (with the aid of a magnifying glass) and have
used super-glue on the knots. Well, it's available now so why not?
I've just started to use fluorocarbon line but on one occasion the
hook knot came untied with the loss of the fish. So I tried some
super glued knots on the bench in my workshop and tensioned the line
with a spring balance. A small trial but 50% came untied!
Perhaps super glue and fluorocarbon are not compatible?
Has anyone any knowledge of this or advice to offer?
Thanks
alec
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Alec Hall. Often known as crusty.
Mihall McMackellog
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> 'ello all.
>
> Having started course fishing again after a lay off of some 45
> years there is an amazing change in both technology and the size
> and quality of fish.
>
> I tie my own hooks (with the aid of a magnifying glass) and have
> used super-glue on the knots. Well, it's available now so why not?
>
> I've just started to use fluorocarbon line but on one occasion the
> hook knot came untied with the loss of the fish. So I tried some
> super glued knots on the bench in my workshop and tensioned the line
> with a spring balance. A small trial but 50% came untied!
>
> Perhaps super glue and fluorocarbon are not compatible?
>
> Has anyone any knowledge of this or advice to offer?
>
> Thanks
>
There are a few of reasons why knots can fail, first and foremost is your
ability to tie a good knot, what knot are you using ? if the line has a high
bs it may be too thick to knot properly around a small size 16 hook, and
vice versa, low bs line , large size 6 hook will also give if you hook a
decent size fish.
I have found the half blood knot is the best for smaller hooks using a low
bs line, through the eye, 4 turns and back through the loop this makes,
allow for a bit of give in the knot so dont trim the excess to close, leave
a bit of a tail as line stretches under strain, you can use a half tucked
blood knot for larger hooks, use the same 4 turns, through the loop and back
through the 2nd loop this makes, the tucked knot requires fairly supple
line.
You can also make your own hooks to nylon at home by using a hook tyer, this
works for eyed as well as spade end hooks and is probably the most reliable
method of all once you get the hang of it.
Alec Hall
Thanks for the reply. Very helpful.
I do use the knot you describe. Also use a 'grinner' and 'universal'
knot. I have my old fly tying vice so tying spade or eyed isn't much
of a problem.
However, when I bench tested 6lb fluorocarbon to 14 eyed hooks, the
knots
frequently failed when repeatedly tensioned to 4lb.
This happened when I used super-glue on the knot but less frequently
when super glue was NOT used.
I must state that my tests results were indicative and I wouldn't
claim definitive results.
So, is fluorocarbon incompatible with super glue.
Any thoughts anyone. Please!
alec
>
>There are a few of reasons why knots can fail, first and foremost is your
>ability to tie a good knot, what knot are you using ? if the line has a high
>bs it may be too thick to knot properly around a small size 16 hook, and
>vice versa, low bs line , large size 6 hook will also give if you hook a
>decent size fish.
>I have found the half blood knot is the best for smaller hooks using a low
>bs line, through the eye, 4 turns and back through the loop this makes,
>allow for a bit of give in the knot so dont trim the excess to close, leave
>a bit of a tail as line stretches under strain, you can use a half tucked
>blood knot for larger hooks, use the same 4 turns, through the loop and back
>through the 2nd loop this makes, the tucked knot requires fairly supple
>line.
>You can also make your own hooks to nylon at home by using a hook tyer, this
>works for eyed as well as spade end hooks and is probably the most reliable
>method of all once you get the hang of it.
>
>
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malcolm
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Mihall McMackellog
anglers do is use SG on braid which is a different material entirely, this
is done to keep the braid from fraying at the ends, it is also used to to
stick hairs to alter the way a pop up angles the hook, other people prefer
to use rig tubeing for this, i suppose the chemicals in the SG may well
react with the line, it is afterall for sticking things together rather than
strenghtening them, i assume it does this by eating into the surfaces before
drying to form the bond.
I use Drennan for light lines and Maxima Clear for heavy lines and have had
no problems with tying or knot strength, i have not tried the new
flurocarbon line and from the sounds of it i do not think i will, good luck
with your experiments. :)
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> So, is fluorocarbon incompatible with super glue.
>
> Any thoughts anyone. Please!
>
It is far more important that a knot bed down correctly. This is best
achieved by lubricating it. Using superglue on knots causes them to
"stiffen up", and may allow them to break, or pull apart, more easily. After
superglue has set, it is very hard, and when it cracks, it often takes the
knot with it. Most superglues are not waterproof in any case, nor are they
flexible.
Lines coated with fluorocarbon, Teflon, etc, will often slip in any case, as
the surface of the line is extremely slick.
Personally, I no longer use glue on knots, but concentrate on getting them
bedded down properly. For this, spit is as good as anything.
TL
MC
Derek.Moody
<URL:mailto:al...@tlsl.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I tie my own hooks (with the aid of a magnifying glass) and have
> used super-glue on the knots. Well, it's available now so why not?
>
> I've just started to use fluorocarbon line but on one occasion the
> hook knot came untied with the loss of the fish. So I tried some
> super glued knots on the bench in my workshop and tensioned the line
> with a spring balance. A small trial but 50% came untied!
Nylon lines are sometimes used to make complicated holes through rigid
castings (though unstretched lines are preferred for the job) because it's
always possible to draw a nylon line from a -rigid- matrix no matter how
complicated the path.
Most superglues set rigid.
Coat a knot with rigid superglue and you prevent the coils moving to bite
into each other as the pull increases and suddenly there is no added
resistance to the pull - and the nylon draws. You have weakened the knot.
If you use a flexible glue the nylon will be less able to draw and you
strengthen the knot.
But an appropriate well formed and properly tightened knot shouldn't need
any help.
Hth, Cheerio,
--
>> derek...@clara.net
Richard
> 'ello all.
>
> Having started course fishing again after a lay off of some 45
> years there is an amazing change in both technology and the size
> and quality of fish.
>
> I tie my own hooks (with the aid of a magnifying glass) and have
> used super-glue on the knots. Well, it's available now so why not?
>
> I've just started to use fluorocarbon line but on one occasion the
> hook knot came untied with the loss of the fish. So I tried some
> super glued knots on the bench in my workshop and tensioned the line
> with a spring balance. A small trial but 50% came untied!
>
Hi there,
I use this 'line' for terminal carp rigs and use a knotless knot to tie the
eyed hook and a grinner knot to attach the same to the swivel/ring swivel
without any problems. However, I did experience early failure with the
double overhand loop used on the hair ... which I have overcome by altering
the size of the loop ... so the knot does not get 'stressed' as it passes
through the bait ... or by using an alternative material for the hair.
I understand f/carbon has quite a different structure to other options and
consequently methods commonly used for other materials may not be
compatible. Imo it would be useful if someone did a 'technical' article
about these issues and f/carbon in one of the fishing mags.
Regards ..... Richard/Ipswich