Binding Agent for Trout pellet paste.
Tom
hints please.
I made a batch up with a beaten egg. Although I had some success with
catching Roach on the pole with the paste I seemed to have a problem
keeping it on the hook, it seemed to be breaking up moments after
hiting the water.
I added a small amount of water on the bankside to make it sticky but
that did not help much, any idea's for a good binding Agent for Trout
pellet paste.
Tom
Jeff Mack
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It needs to be fairly damp. Then it will usually stick together. If you have
used eggs then don't leave it in your box or it will go manky. >
Jerry
For starters have you considered using Carp Pellets ? Trout pellets have
been shown to be dangerous to Carp - maybe actually causing the death of
the fish. I would think carefully before Trout pellet - especially if
you are fishing a heavily fished water where many people are using Trout
pellet - fish could start to die!!!
Anyway, use Carp pellets - there are enough of them around and only
slightly dearer than Trout pellet.
There are a couple of ways of doing pellet....
i. Add boiling water to pellets - experience will teach you how much -
take it easy to start with - you can add more later but its hard to take
it out.... When pellets have softened and the water cooled need the
paste until its smooth and an even consistency. Ordinary flour makes a
good binder if it needs it...
ii. Grind up the pellets in a coffee grinder and mix the powdered
pellets up with egg. Again not too much egg. Again flour makes a good
binder. You could try making a few mini boilies - Tench and Carp will
certainly pick them up. Just roll the paste into the right size balls
and boil for 2 minutes...No need to add a binder if you are going to
boil them...The boilies can be side-hooked or used on a hair...
Cheers,
Jerry
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> Ordinary flour makes a good binder if it needs it...
>
I find cornflour works much better.
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> Tom,
>
> For starters have you considered using Carp Pellets ? Trout pellets have
> been shown to be dangerous to Carp - maybe actually causing the death of
> the fish. I would think carefully before Trout pellet - especially if
> you are fishing a heavily fished water where many people are using Trout
> pellet - fish could start to die!!!
Is this actually poven fact? It could be a ploy by the bait
manufacturers to con gullible Carp anglers into parting with even more
of their hard earned cash.
>
> Anyway, use Carp pellets - there are enough of them around and only
> slightly dearer than Trout pellet.
Only slightly dearer, eh? :)
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Jerry
>
> This is a follow up to Re: Binding Agent for Trout pellet paste.; as written by Jerry jerrys121DEL...@hotmail.com
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > For starters have you considered using Carp Pellets ? Trout pellets have
> > been shown to be dangerous to Carp - maybe actually causing the death of
> > the fish. I would think carefully before Trout pellet - especially if
> > you are fishing a heavily fished water where many people are using Trout
> > pellet - fish could start to die!!!
>
> Is this actually poven fact? It could be a ploy by the bait
> manufacturers to con gullible Carp anglers into parting with even more
> of their hard earned cash.
This is the opinion of Bruno Broughton ? - the official from the EA who
was charged with specifically looking into this. He started with the
opinion that Trout Pellet formed the virtual ideal diet for Carp. After
a study period he concluded that if the Carps diet included significant
ammount of Trout Pellet (over 30% I think) then their digestion was
interferred with and, if their diet was'nt changed, they died !!
The study showed that it was the oil contect of the pellet that screwe
dthe Carp - they cannot handle greater than about 15% oil. Bruno now
beleives that Carp Pellets, with their much lower oil content, are ideal
food for Carp whereas Trout Pellet will kill them...
>
> >
> > Anyway, use Carp pellets - there are enough of them around and only
> > slightly dearer than Trout pellet.
>
> Only slightly dearer, eh? :)
In my tackle shop - Trout Pellet are 8.99/bag, Carp Pellet 9.99/bag -
same size bag - that means slightly to me.....
John Elsdon
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>For starters have you considered using Carp Pellets ? Trout pellets have
>been shown to be dangerous to Carp - maybe actually causing the death of
>the fish. I would think carefully before Trout pellet - especially if
>you are fishing a heavily fished water where many people are using Trout
>pellet - fish could start to die!!!
>
i notice in this months issue of coarse fisherman, that there is an
article by dr bruno broughton. saying that trout pellets can harm carp
if used in excess on heavily stocked waters.this article is sandwiched
between full page ads. for van den eynde and sensas carp pellets. a full
page ad also appears for richworth carp pellets.
would they have printed an article saying that trout pellets are safe ?
i doubt it.
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Jeremy Benson
the goldfish/carp in my garden pond with them (they love them). Watch this
space.
As an afterthought - i'd have thought it would have to be seriously long
term exposure - after all - trout fisheries rear on them, and the twenty
pound trout don't appear to be non the worse for wear - despite being fed
exclusively for several years.
JCB
Jerry
What you seemingly fail to notice is that Trout pellets are designed for
the dietary requirements of TROUT. The fact that Trout are reared on
them and are healthy has no relevance to whether or not they are
suitable food for Carp...
I'm not at all convinced that feeding Goldfish Trout pellet will tell
you any more than whether or not Trout pellet is good for Goldfish. What
does seem to be true is that feeding Carp a sole diet of Trout pellet
will kill them.... I gather that you think your fish are expendable
anyway - let the group know what happens - I pity your fish - killed
because the owner did'nt beleive a study done by a trained biologist
specifically looking into this problem.
Got any children ? What do you feed them ? Raw egg during the listeria
scare ? Raw beef during the mad-cow scare ?
Jerry
What are you saying here ? You appear to be telling the group that Dr.
Bruno Broughton, the well respected, expert marine biologist appointed
by the EA to examine this problem is lying. Or do you simply not care
about the fish ?
Mick
>John,
>
>What are you saying here ? You appear to be telling the group that Dr.
>Bruno Broughton, the well respected, expert marine biologist appointed
>by the EA to examine this problem is lying. Or do you simply not care
>about the fish ?
>
not lying but for every one expert view there is also another. If this
isn't true none of us should fish. The anti's are always producing
scientists that say fish feel pain so we turn to our scientists who
differ.
There are experts who say cormorants aren't a problem, I certainly don't
believe them.
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John Elsdon
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>John,
>
>What are you saying here ? You appear to be telling the group that Dr.
>Bruno Broughton, the well respected, expert marine biologist appointed
>by the EA to examine this problem is lying. Or do you simply not care
>about the fish ?
>>
>> article by dr bruno broughton. saying that trout pellets can harm carp
>> if used in excess on heavily stocked waters.this article is sandwiched
>> between full page ads. for van den eynde and sensas carp pellets. a full
>> page ad also appears for richworth carp pellets.
>> would they have printed an article saying that trout pellets are safe ?
>> i doubt it.
>> --
>> John Elsdon
i am not doubting the credentials or integrity of dr bruno broughton.
just pointing out that there is money to be made in promoting the use of
carp as apposed to trout pellets. and that magazines also profit from
this by selling advertising space.
if dr broughton had come to the conclusion that trout pellets were safe
the [magazine] article would probably not have been given as much
prominance, or possibly not appeared at all.
the care of fish comes very high on my list of priorities when fishing.
but i am also very cynical when cash is involved. although i do notice
in your retort that you say dr broughton was appointed by the enviroment
agency. if that is so it may be safe to assume that his report is
unbiased.
of course if the report had not come out in the bait manufacturers
favour they could allways of paid for an expert to bring out a report
that was.
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John Elsdon
Jerry
>
> Jerry wrote
> >John,
> >
> >What are you saying here ? You appear to be telling the group that Dr.
> >Bruno Broughton, the well respected, expert marine biologist appointed
> >by the EA to examine this problem is lying. Or do you simply not care
> >about the fish ?
> >
>
> isn't true none of us should fish.
Can you explain what you meant here ? Literally you are saying if Bruno
is wrong then we should'nt fish. Can't see the logic in that...
I gather that you are not responsible for the fish at Chilham. If you
were, and stood to loose thousands of pounds of fish, I wonder if you
would be so cynical of the anecdotal and now scientific evidence ? Don't
you think that responsible anglers should err on the side of caution
until the matter is settled ? Of course, there will always be those who
are so pig-headed and/or ignorant that no amount of proof will convince
them that there is any problem with using Trout pellet. I don't tend to
associate with those type of people.....
Mick
>Can you explain what you meant here ? Literally you are saying if Bruno
>is wrong then we should'nt fish. Can't see the logic in that...
you won't see the logic in that because that isn't what I meant. You
were saying that because 1 scientist (Bruno Broughton) said that pellets
were bad that we shouldn't use them. What I went on to say is that if 1
scientist says that fish feel pain ( the anti's scientist) then by your
logic of believing what someone in a white coat says, we should never
fish.
>
>I gather that you are not responsible for the fish at Chilham.
Wrong, I am part of the body that decides what happens!
> If you
>were, and stood to loose thousands of pounds of fish, I wonder if you
>would be so cynical of the anecdotal and now scientific evidence ?
I'm not being cynical, we haven't banned pellets
> Don't
>you think that responsible anglers should err on the side of caution
>until the matter is settled ?
If you want. While we are at it lets stop using everything that isn't
natural to a carps diet, just in case. Hair rigged bloodworm anyone? I
think the main point is over use. Any bait that is over used is harmful,
its like me poisoning myself with sausages. I trust our fisherman to act
sensibly and they seem to.
> Of course, there will always be those who
>are so pig-headed and/or ignorant that no amount of proof will convince
>them that there is any problem with using Trout pellet.
I hope you don't mean me here. I never said weather I agreed or
disagreed with the use of pellets, you jumped to that conclusion on your
own, all I said that for every argument put by an expert, there is
always another expert who will disagree
>I don't tend to
>associate with those type of people.....
Thank god for small mercies!
Mick.
Jerry
>
> Jerry wrote
> >Can you explain what you meant here ? Literally you are saying if Bruno
> >is wrong then we should'nt fish. Can't see the logic in that...
>
> you won't see the logic in that because that isn't what I meant. You
> were saying that because 1 scientist (Bruno Broughton) said that pellets
> were bad that we shouldn't use them. What I went on to say is that if 1
> scientist says that fish feel pain ( the anti's scientist) then by your
> logic of believing what someone in a white coat says, we should never
> fish.
You are clouding the issue here. What has this to do with whether or not
Trout Pellets are harmful to Carp ?
> >
>
> >I gather that you are not responsible for the fish at Chilham.
> Wrong, I am part of the body that decides what happens!
What is the current opinion of that "body" ?
>
> > If you
> >were, and stood to loose thousands of pounds of fish, I wonder if you
> >would be so cynical of the anecdotal and now scientific evidence ?
>
> I'm not being cynical, we haven't banned pellets
If you are not being cynical of Bruno's findings what are you saying
here ? You beleive his findings but choose to ignore them ?
>
> > Don't
> >you think that responsible anglers should err on the side of caution
> >until the matter is settled ?
>
> If you want. While we are at it lets stop using everything that isn't
> natural to a carps diet, just in case. Hair rigged bloodworm anyone? I
> think the main point is over use. Any bait that is over used is harmful,
How do you jump to that conclusion ? Trout seem to live very happily on
a diet of more or less 100% Trout Pellet. My Koi Carp live very happily
on a diet of 100% Koi pellets. Bruno acknowledges this but maintains
that Trout Pellets are harmful to Carp.
> its like me poisoning myself with sausages. I trust our fisherman to act
> sensibly and they seem to.
When you say sensible do you mean respecting the EA findings ? or being
cynical about them ? Are you being a sensible angler and following the
current best available advice ?
>
> > Of course, there will always be those who
> >are so pig-headed and/or ignorant that no amount of proof will convince
> >them that there is any problem with using Trout pellet.
> I hope you don't mean me here.
> I never said weather I agreed or
> disagreed with the use of pellets, you jumped to that conclusion on your
> own,
What ? I jumped to the conclusion that you agree or disagree with the
use of pellets ? If neither of these are true then presumably you are
waiting for further research (or your fish to start dying) before
agreeing or disagreeing with the use of Trout Pellets for Carp...(note
not just "pellets" but "Trout pellets").
> all I said that for every argument put by an expert, there is
> always another expert who will disagree
Fair point - care to quote an expert who has done the research and
concludes that Trout Pellets are good for Carp ? or is this just a
hypothetical example ?
Mick
>>
>> you won't see the logic in that because that isn't what I meant. You
>> were saying that because 1 scientist (Bruno Broughton) said that pellets
>> were bad that we shouldn't use them. What I went on to say is that if 1
>> scientist says that fish feel pain ( the anti's scientist) then by your
>> logic of believing what someone in a white coat says, we should never
>> fish.
>
>You are clouding the issue here. What has this to do with whether or not
>Trout Pellets are harmful to Carp ?
What I am trying to say is that for every person who says pellets are
OK, there will be others who say different, that's all! You are
absolutely free to believe whoever you will, free country and all that.
>
>What is the current opinion of that "body" ?
The current position is as I wrote last time that everything is fine in
moderation, we trust our anglers to behave responsibly. There is no need
for bans with responsible adults.
>> I'm not being cynical, we haven't banned pellets
>
>If you are not being cynical of Bruno's findings what are you saying
>here ? You beleive his findings but choose to ignore them ?
I didn't say either way what I believe, that's you making my mind up
for me again ;)
>
>When you say sensible do you mean respecting the EA findings ? or being
>cynical about them ? Are you being a sensible angler and following the
>current best available advice ?
If a carp led a life feeding only on boilies or chick peas, sweetcorn,
whatever, you would have the same problems, fish, like ourselves need a
balanced diet. It's all about moderation. The best thing is to do what
you feel comfortable with, it goes for pellets, live-baiting even the
act of fishing itself.
Laurie Gascoigne
albumen works a treat.You can also add in Molasses or any powder flavouring
to add a little extra zip.I was put onto this by the lad that owns Appollo
Angling in Addlestone.He and his teams fish a lot of matches on the Carp
puddles and it has worked well for me for the last two years.You need to
experiment a little but you can make really stiff paste if you up the Egg
albumen.I was advised to make it soft so that it appears that it will fall
off the hook-the Appollo lad seems to do well although he did tell me he
adds little "something else" in the mix which he wanted to keep to
himself.Hope this helps and it is not too lateto be of help(Havnt been
online for a few days)
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> Tom <t...@tomrod.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> It needs to be fairly damp. Then it will usually stick together. If you
have
> used eggs then don't leave it in your box or it will go manky. >
>
>
>
>
>
> > hints please.
> > I made a batch up with a beaten egg. Although I had some success with
> > catching Roach on the pole with the paste I seemed to have a problem
> > keeping it on the hook, it seemed to be breaking up moments after
> > hiting the water.
> > I added a small amount of water on the bankside to make it sticky but
> > pellet paste.
> >
> > Tom
>
>
Jeremy Benson
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Jerry
Karl Jones
the time of year. I personally wouldnt recomend feeding a fish such as carp,
on a "one food source diet" for any length of time. You may well find that
over a period of time the carp start to lack certain vitamins in there diet
that they acctually require. Why do it?
In summer a carp needs a high protien diet and if you really care for them
you will give them a very diverse feed. In autumn / spring you will find
that certain days/weeks make a pool temerature rise, thus requiring some
food, but if the temp drops the fish (being cold blooded) will virtually
shut down. A carp has virtually no stomache to speak of, the food will lie
in its stomache and rot.
Be carefull, feed diverse in summer, and wheatgerm based in autumn/spring
dont feed hardley at all in winter.
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