ID and what to expect
Susan Swann
mature late.
So far I have had little contact with full bred ones, only ID x's
I am looking at the Future and wondering what to expect.
I am aware they take a long time to mature, in brain as well as brawn
I want to be able to understand the breed better, and not expect too
much. Or it may be In near future I should expect more.
Looking at my perspective of intending to own him for his lifetime, it
is different attitude to someone buying one to bring on, look good, and
sell.
Would you look to concentrate on good walk & trot work and leave canter
work out for a while, or work at all equally. Possibly only cantering
when out on hack.
If you do work some canter, would you look at only transitions say 1/2
or 1/3 circle trot 1/2 or 1/3 canter, but not expect to work more.
If working on lunge and double lunge ( which I prefer) would you leave
canter out and only work walk & trot.
I tend to not restrict him to 20 mtrs circles as I feel this is a lot
for his age & build I work bigger by following and not standing still in
the middle, and lots of the long sides of school ( me often running
behind). Only working max of 15/20 mins in total. Much in hand first and
good warm up, and stretch down throughout and finish. I often bring in
poles to make it interesting and to help him build up through back and
stretch down.
I personally find him not difficult, but can be acting like he is
naughty when he is confused by the question. I try to make questions to
him simple then he has the chance to get it correct.
I have to say though, it is amazing what paces they can show in the
field when being Show off in the field to their mates.
Amazing lengthen strides. Will he ever do that under saddle in the
future I wonder.
Also the difference in having him in daytime and out at night. The belly
is shrinking! I might even have a slim Hippo soon.
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>I have to say though, it is amazing what paces they can show in the
>field when being Show off in the field to their mates.
Isn't that true! And with such agility too, spinning round in the tightest
corner, stopping on a sixpence just before the fence as they come
thundering towards you in a cloud of dust with the ground shaking! Looking
at them in the stable you'd think they'd be clumsy and sloooow with the big
feet/legs/bum/chest, but they're like ballerinas in the field :-)
>Also the difference in having him in daytime and out at night. The belly
>is shrinking! I might even have a slim Hippo soon.
He's one great looking animal, do you think he'll lighten and be less grey
as he gets older? And that tail, I can't get over it, it's just fantastic!
Joe (also proud IDx owner!)
Carol Lambe
Sounds like you're doing all the right things - keep using your brain and
listening to what the horse is telling you he can - and can't - do, and
ye'll be fine.
ID's take about the same length of time to mature as the IDx's, but if he
has a v. big frame, he will need time to put the muscles around it, just
like any horse. I'd say he'll be up to easy work at four, and by that I mean
stuff that doesn't take too much concentration - hacks, even a bit of cross
country when you start to introduce poles. Keep everything above a trot on
straight lines for the moment, and let him develop. Work on suppleness and
obedience at the slower paces to minimise joint stress, as ID's are (IMHO)
more prone to ringbone and other degenerative joint conditions.
ID's like being out and about, so you might take him to a cross country
track, and putter through the shallow side of the water fences, maybe pop
the kiddies options on a few. But I'd leave the serious schooling until the
musculature and basic balance are ready, and with the heavier horses that
can take a little longer. But as I said, the easy ridden work can help to
build these.
Have fun
Carol
Susan Swann
>>field when being Show off in the field to their mates.
>
>Isn't that true! And with such agility too, spinning round in the tightest
>corner, stopping on a sixpence just before the fence as they come
>thundering towards you in a cloud of dust with the ground shaking! Looking
>at them in the stable you'd think they'd be clumsy and sloooow with the big
>feet/legs/bum/chest, but they're like ballerinas in the field :-)
also I want to know how, when tied up outside his stable and when your
back is turned he can become a concertina and get back into the stable
on a small length of lead rope and be there looking out at me, he does
this time and time again.
So when I say bend lad I know you can bend.:-)
>
>>Also the difference in having him in daytime and out at night. The belly
>>is shrinking! I might even have a slim Hippo soon.
>
>He's one great looking animal, do you think he'll lighten and be less grey
>as he gets older?
I would love that he did not, but I think I have to face up to reality
and know he will. He is much darker then may others I know. We have a
superb horse in the yard that is a Gelderlander x WB, ( he has a
recognised name breed type something like KYPD) looks like a rocking
horse so dark dapples but apparently he was near black at 4yrs. We also
have the youngster I have mentioned that arrived a few weeks ago age 4
and he is near black grey.
In the mean time I still can get away with poo marks !!!! and say Oh
look Flynn has different dappled tonight .LOL
>And that tail, I can't get over it, it's just fantastic!
It is a dream to me, as I have always wanted a horse with a tail to die
for. He has that and it so eye catching.
What I would do if I had not found riders magic. I would have gone
stupid trying to keep it nice. As it happens I do very little and the
odd night it gets a brush it is so easy.
>
>Joe (also proud IDx owner!)
well I thought you might have. any chance of some pictures as I am so
interested to find out as much as I can.
if you would like to see the other I described email and I will send
back.
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Susan Swann
Susan Swann
>Susan,
>Sounds like you're doing all the right things - keep using your brain and
>listening to what the horse is telling you he can - and can't - do, and
>ye'll be fine.
>
I have read through and what you have said is basically what we are
doing.
Yes he does have a big frame, although I do not think he is going to
make a lot more height.
he does love the X/C course which we are lucky to have at the yard. At
present I am giving amiss because of blasted horse flies. But when we do
go round more for fun and odd canters and off small jumps he is really
up for it.
He seems to take on a new lease of life.
I am working at walk and trot more, which is what you suggest, so we
appear on similar wavelengths.
Serious schooling would be difficult as his mind is not really ready I
feel, but what I dont let him do is become giraffe like :-)
> But I'd leave the serious schooling until the
>musculature and basic balance are ready, and with the heavier horses that
>can take a little longer.
so when would you suggest we look at bringing in this in the future?
> But as I said, the easy ridden work can help to
>build these.
Well we hope to do that..
>
>Have fun
we are, thanks.
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Susan Swann
Carol Lambe
Good to hear he enjoys the out & about bit. Use this to establish the
'forward' concept and keep it fun. You'll find he will be able to cope with
much more in 'fun' mode than in the school. Lanes are great to teach leg
yielding, then shoulder in, and you don't have to worry about 90degree
corners coming up in five strides' time.
I would imagine if you're riding now, doing say 1/2 hour four or five times
a week, you should start to feel him much stronger behind the saddle in 3
months, and ready to start schooling proper in 6 - of course, horses being
individuals, many come to hand sooner, and just as many take much longer,
but you'll soon realise when he's finding things difficult or is starting to
fret about his work.
Out of interest, it's quite usual for people who break horses over here to
turn them away for 4-6 weeks after the horse is riding 3-6 weeks. It does
seem to help them to cope mentally and physically, and they come in much
more relaxed and ready to work. So you might like to establish the basics,
end on a little milestone, like a plod around at a local show, and turn him
away. You can usually pick up a few weeks' in advance of the point at which
you left off - the little 'fellows' (reformed foul mouth cos I'm scared of
Joe) seem to mull things over and work it out, and they don't lose much of
their muscle tone in a 6-8 week rest if they're turned out permanently and
can mosey about. If you are going to, plan it to suit you and him - winter
if you can't ride in the dark evenings; September if he needs the grass.
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>been on the" fluffy" pills again?
Nope, JD's :-)
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>also I want to know how, when tied up outside his stable and when your
>back is turned he can become a concertina and get back into the stable
>on a small length of lead rope and be there looking out at me, he does
>this time and time again.
I want to know how one of mine can get the bottom kick-bolt off, undo the
top bolt and go walkabout!
>well I thought you might have. any chance of some pictures as I am so
>interested to find out as much as I can.
I'll scan some and put them up. I'm seriously thinking of getting a digital
camera if anyone has any recommendations?
>if you would like to see the other I described email and I will send
>back.
Ok, ta!
Joe
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>ID's take about the same length of time to mature as the IDx's
Wouldn't it depend on x'd with what, and in what proportion?
MandieandPEE
>I'll scan some and put them up. I'm seriously thinking of getting a digital
>camera if anyone has any recommendations?
Have a look at the mavica when you come up.
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>Have a look at the mavica when you come up.
Thanks M, I will. I've been trying to decide between a digital video camera
that can also take stills, and can have stills taken from the video, has a
terrific zoom ability, but is more expensive...or a simple digital camera
that's cheaper and easier to operate.
Decisions decisions...
Susan Barlow
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>
> I'll scan some and put them up. I'm seriously thinking of getting a digital
> camera if anyone has any recommendations?
Depends how much you want to spend, there is such a vast array and wide
range of specs.
www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk and amazon seem to have the best deals.
Then use www.dpreview.com to get the lowdown on each camera, it has
in-depth reviews of virtually every digital camera on the market.
(I've been looking for months!)
Sue B
S Macran
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, ö¿ô © wrote:
> Thanks M, I will. I've been trying to decide between a digital video camera
> that can also take stills, and can have stills taken from the video, has a
> terrific zoom ability, but is more expensive...or a simple digital camera
> that's cheaper and easier to operate.
>
> Decisions decisions...
I'd definitely go for the former if I could afford it.
I really want one of those tiny JVC ones.
Sue
Jill
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we bought a £150 kodak dc3200
and a card reader
which has been great
very simple for point and shoot
and for very quick for uploading
takes seconds to go out take photos
load strainght on to hard drive and upload on line
not fancy at all
but saves tonnes on processing and films and allows you to take loads of
pictures and choose a good one
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> Decisions decisions...
Blott
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> I'll scan some and put them up. I'm seriously thinking of getting a
digital
> camera if anyone has any recommendations?
Try www.morgancomputers.com They do factory refurbished cameras. I got a
Fuji, like brand new all manuals, guarentee etc.
Danny
LittleMissWobbles
<kint...@REMOVETHISsol.co.uk> wrote:
>while I was deciding - still haven't on an expensive on
>we bought a £150 kodak dc3200
>and a card reader
>which has been great
>very simple for point and shoot
>and for very quick for uploading
>takes seconds to go out take photos
>load strainght on to hard drive and upload on line
>
>not fancy at all
>but saves tonnes on processing and films and allows you to take loads of
>pictures and choose a good one
I had one of these and they are great little camera's.
"I got a sweater for Christmas...
I really wanted a screamer or a moaner."
Carol Lambe
a horse is a horse. IMO, it depends more on the horse's size than on its
breed. I would be more inclined to generalise with regard to the progeny of
certain lines than an overall breed. For example, Cavaliers often look
gangly and are v weak until they're six, then you open the stable door one
day and out steps a god.
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>I really want one of those tiny JVC ones.
Me too, but I need all me arms and legs!
I played with a video camera a few weeks back in Dixons. The sales guy was
intent on showing me how good the zoom was by focusing on some houses far
away, it was incredible!
Joe
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>we bought a Ł150 kodak dc3200
That's the kind of thing I want, but when I looked the sales chap
tut-tutted and said I needed 3 megapixels or summit???
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>Depends how much you want to spend, there is such a vast array and wide
>range of specs.
Tell me about it. When I originally looked I went out intending on buying,
but I came away an hour later very confused and in need of a lie down in a
dark room!
>www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk and amazon seem to have the best deals.
>Then use www.dpreview.com to get the lowdown on each camera, it has
>in-depth reviews of virtually every digital camera on the market.
>(I've been looking for months!)
>Sue B
Thanks Sue, when I've got a spare few hours I'll have a look! Maybe I
should just read the reviews, or just stick a pin in the catalogue.
The good thing nowadays is you can buy, try it for a week, then take it
back if it's not really what's wanted, so maybe I'm being too cautious.
Joe
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>Try www.morgancomputers.com They do factory refurbished cameras. I got a
>Fuji, like brand new all manuals, guarentee etc.
>
>Danny
Thanks Danny, but do they do return or exchange? It's difficult when I
don't really know what I want/need.
Joe
James Carrier
> On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:24:28 +0100, "Blott" <abl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Try www.morgancomputers.com They do factory refurbished cameras.
> don't really know what I want/need.
>
> Joe
They're the most arsey people in the world when it comes to returning
goods, in my experience, though that was a few years ago now.
Susan Barlow
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> Tell me about it. When I originally looked I went out intending on buying,
> but I came away an hour later very confused and in need of a lie down in a
> dark room!
I think 2 megapixels and 3 x optical zoom is more than adequate for mere
mortals like us. If you look on the dpreview site, (and plenty of other
digital photography galleries online) , some of the photos are excellent
with 2 Mp cameras.
> Thanks Sue, when I've got a spare few hours I'll have a look! Maybe I
> should just read the reviews, or just stick a pin in the catalogue.
I have one window open for dpreview and several more for the retailers
so I can compare prices and ratings ! Sad eh!
> The good thing nowadays is you can buy, try it for a week, then take it
> back if it's not really what's wanted, so maybe I'm being too cautious.
Beware - you can't do that with digital cameras at Argos, they're
excluded from the 16 day money back thing that Argos have.
I think as long as you go for one of the main brands such as Fuji,
Canon, Nikon etc. you can't go wrong. Current favourite which I will
probably go for is the Canon Powershot A40.
On my desk in front of me at this moment I have a Fuji Finepix 2600
which someone has kindly lent me for the weekend. If I get any good
shots, I'll put them online on Monday :-) Most important project this
weekend is to get a photo online of the new carpet in our living room,
so that SO can have a look at it, as he is currently overseas!
Sue B
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>They're the most arsey people in the world when it comes to returning
>goods, in my experience, though that was a few years ago now.
I know everyone will be surprised, but I have my moments when shops won't
take stuff back :-)
Thanks for the comment James, are you a lurker? Well not any more you
ain't!
Joe
Susan Barlow
Hmmm, glad you posted that, I nearly ordered something from them a few
weeks ago.
Thanks
Sue B
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>I think 2 megapixels and 3 x optical zoom is more than adequate for mere
>mortals like us. If you look on the dpreview site, (and plenty of other
>digital photography galleries online) , some of the photos are excellent
>with 2 Mp cameras.
That's what I need, the practical issues, thanks Sue.
>Most important project this
>weekend is to get a photo online of the new carpet in our living room,
>so that SO can have a look at it, as he is currently overseas!
Blimey, you're confused, horses first carpet later...or maybe give hubby a
fit and do both at once :-)
Susan Barlow
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> I know everyone will be surprised, but I have my moments when shops won't
> take stuff back :-)
LOL, LOL, I bet they lock the bloody doors when they see you coming down
the street :-)
Sue B
~E
> Tell me about it. When I originally looked I went out intending on buying,
> but I came away an hour later very confused and in need of a lie down in a
> dark room!
It really depends what you want to do with it... for what I use my camera for,
I could forget about using a digital, unless Im willing to slap down a
thousand or so.. theyre great fun for random pics though (you know, the ones I
wouldnt even bother to get printed ;). Emile always has great fun with his,
and I always want to smack him for taking pics of me cause I always look dorky
in them... Anyway.
Had a Fuji once, forget what type, but hated it, as everything just came out
blurry. I still prefer my Canon EOS, hard copies and my rusty old scanner :)
But then, most my pics are of concerts... so :)
Good luck with your search anyway :) Dont look for too high specs, you wont
need it anyway :)
Ta!
~E <---off to grab camera and go to a gig tonight
James Carrier
> Thanks for the comment James, are you a lurker? Well not any more you
> ain't!
>
> Joe
Les of a lurker, more of a recently re-discovered Usenet'er :-)
I introduced myself a while back, but as I don't have a huge amount of
horsey experience haven't had much to contribute! Which is why I only
seem to be contributing to the technology-based discussions!
(By the way, I'm 23 and after 7 or 8 years living in the city have just
moved back out to the countryside and started riding again - this seemed
like a good place to hang around :)
james
Jill
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>
> That's the kind of thing I want, but when I looked the sales chap
> tut-tutted and said I needed 3 megapixels or summit???
yup rarely see it in the reviews
but havenot heard anyone who has one say anything against it
at that price its a goiod intro
and probably like you
will buy the expensive one sometime !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it has no bells and whistles
but if you care to take a look over the sites - not plugging the sites only
the camera
you will see it takes perfectly good snaps for online
and when played with with the freebie software
makes very nice wee pics for you and the family
it is no great guns
but when you work out how many films you might taek to get a couple of
decent shots - with it you don't care
it pays itself
it is not for a pro
but replaces a point and shoot very well
Susan Swann
>weekend is to get a photo online of the new carpet in our living room,
>so that SO can have a look at it, as he is currently overseas!
I am sadder I take pictures of horses feet for records.
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<cal...@REMOVETHISTOMAILclara.net> wrote:
>yup rarely see it in the reviews
>but havenot heard anyone who has one say anything against it
>at that price its a goiod intro
Thanks for the post Jill
Joe (time to open the piggy bank methinks!)
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>Good luck with your search anyway :) Dont look for too high specs, you wont
>need it anyway :)
Cheers E, I expect hi-spec would be wasted on me! I saw a dinky little
digital camera for £39.95, keyring size, but apparently it's just a toy and
doesn't take very good pics (no flash and not many pixies)
>~E <---off to grab camera and go to a gig tonight
Was it any good?
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>LOL, LOL, I bet they lock the bloody doors when they see you coming down
>the street :-)
Everyone either goes on their lunchbreak or gets mysteriously busy...very
odd, I just can't understand it :-)
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<james....@NOSPAMbulletonline.com> wrote:
>I introduced myself a while back
Yes sorry, I missed it first time round.
>after 7 or 8 years living in the city have just
>moved back out to the countryside
How do you find it? Has it changed much over that time. There's been a heck
of a lot happened in that 7/8 years as you probably know.
Joe
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But breed usually dictates size. If you compared an IDx TB, who is a lot
more TB than ID he would mature much quicker both physically and mentally
than a pure ID (is there such a thing?).
Not splitting hairs here, genuine interest.
Joe
Roz Holmes
If Flynn has both grey sire & grey dam he may be homozygous.
Roz - full of useless info as usual!
> I would love that he did not, but I think I have to face up to reality
> and know he will.
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Petra in Germany
>Apparently homozygous greys go 'white' earlier than heterozygous greys.
Nope. Where did you get that from ?
Petra
James Carrier
Exactly the same in some ways but you're quite right a lot has changed
and I keep finding myself doing double takes. I'm currently back in the
village where I grew up (in Yorkshire, about 1/2 way between Leeds &
York) and the difference is staggering - it's changed almost beyond
recognition from what was predominantly a farming village (3 or 4 farms
in the centre) into the heart of commuterbelt (no farms, houses being
built everywhere).
I passed a house on the high street the other day that I clearly
remember playing in as a kid when it was derelict & basically used as a
chicken shed. Now it's worth almost £300,000!
I wouldn't say this is necessarily a bad thing as the standard of living
has undoubtedly risen dramatically in the last several years. What with
the state of the farming industry over that same period I don't think
that you can blame the farmers for selling their land for real estate -
but I am quite sad that the lovely, peaceful village I remember is
slowly being concreted over, that images such as our next-door farmer
driving his cattle past our drive are gone forever.
I was up in the dales showing an Australian friend around the county
today and it struck me as I was driving through the many small villages
around Skipton that this pattern is being repeated over and over. Mind
you I was quite glad to see that the cattle population is visibly
improving after F&M last year.
Flooding is still a major environmental problem (I could go off on one
as to the reasons why, but that's a whole other thread :) - the village
I ride in, Naburn, floods very badly, very regularly.
Phew, that was only going to be one or two lines :-)
What's your take on this - are you country- or city- ??
james
Roz Holmes
Why do you think it's wrong?
Roz.
> Nope. Where did you get that from ?
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Petra in Germany
>Why do you think it's wrong?
Because the speed with which a grey horse turns "whiter" is not dependant on
whether the horse is homozygous for the grey gene or heterozygous !
Just as a homozygous tobiano is not more or less coloured than a heterozygous
one.
There are homozygous greys who stayed dark for a looong time, and heterozygous
ones which turn white very early..
Petra ( who thinks iron grey is one of the most attractive colours a horse can
be ! )
Roz Holmes
far
into genetics as I have been anyway!).
I can't remember whether Jane said it was from her extensive breeding
experience,
or from new research/level of genetics I have not reached yet.
I will email & ask her.
Roz - who would quite like one of Jane's performance Arabs one day :-)
But then a Hispano-Arab sounds pretty nifty...;-)
> Because the speed with which a grey horse turns "whiter" is not dependant on
> whether the horse is homozygous for the grey gene or heterozygous !
Carol Lambe
You're very welcome. Stick around awhile, and don't be shy about chipping
in.
Carol
Carol Lambe
>more TB than ID he would mature much quicker both >physically and mentally
>than a pure ID (is there such a thing?).
Not convinced on the breed and size thing Joe. In the TB world, there are
two broad types of animal - the small fellow, who is usually broken early &
put to the flat, or the bigger guy, who's left in the field till he's four,
then sent chasing.
The ID's fall into two types as well - you get the big rangy things, but the
majority are cob height, and very easy do'ers.
There are many over here in Ireland, where we have only recently begun to
breed to warmblood stallions, who will swear that anything crossed to a
warmblood will be late to mature in body and in mind. I have found that the
most reliable guage of how a horse will mature is to look at its parents and
the type of horse they are producing. I've already mentioned Cavalier, who
would be acknowledged as producing progeny which are not fully mature until
six. There are other stallions whose temperament through their progeny would
dictate that you had better get to work on them as yearlings (lead in hand
etc) or you're in for a royal battle at four.
On the pure ID thing, yes they are a breed, and those which are registered
can trace their ancestry back many generations. But it is also true to say
that like any breed they have evolved to meet the modern market
requirements. Modern ID's are lighter and have better shoulders than their
predecessors, mainly because their main job has changed from pulling things
to being ridden.
HTH
Carol
Susan Barlow
~E wrote:
> Had a Fuji once, forget what type, but hated it, as everything just came out
> blurry. I still prefer my Canon EOS, hard copies and my rusty old scanner :)
We have an EOS aswell, but we have to run off a 36 film to be sure of
getting a few good shots of moving horses so it costs a fortune in
developing.
Sue B
Avril Smith
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> On the pure ID thing, yes they are a breed, and those which are registered
> can trace their ancestry back many generations.
true, pride (not a pure ID but a sports horse) can trace her
ancestry back to the first registered irish draught, about
13 generations back!
avil
~E
>
> We have an EOS aswell, but we have to run off a 36 film to be sure of
> getting a few good shots of moving horses so it costs a fortune in
> developing.
Tell me about it... ever try piccing moving artists, with crap lighting and
security guards argueing with you, threatening to pull your film out? At 8
euros a pop/1600 speed film... and then the development costs...
Anyway, still on a bit of a high there...
As for the moving horses... you might want to try a different type of lens,
one with a lower depth of field (I think, but the camera shop might give you
more professional advice on that).
Good luck,
~E
Susan Barlow
~E wrote:
> As for the moving horses... you might want to try a different type of lens,
> one with a lower depth of field (I think, but the camera shop might give you
> more professional advice on that).
The problem isn't with the photo or camera itself, it's getting the
right moment with the horses legs in the right place, like at the
maximum extension of whatever pace it's is in.
*All* of the pics from the EOS come out in excellent focus, regardless
of what the horse is doing:-)
(Thanks anyway)
Sue B
~E
>
> The problem isn't with the photo or camera itself, it's getting the
> right moment with the horses legs in the right place, like at the
> maximum extension of whatever pace it's is in.
> *All* of the pics from the EOS come out in excellent focus, regardless
> of what the horse is doing:-)
Oh, lol, I kinda misunderstood that, didnt I? Good to know though... Might
have a bash at that sometime.. Im not sure if I'd be good enough to get that
one pic with all the horsey's legs in all the right places. Definitely sounds
like the perfect job for a digital camera alright :)
~E
Susan Barlow
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's a matter of chance
whatever camera you have, when photographing a moving horse. Unless
anybody has any techniques they'd like to share?
The shots you see, for example in Horse and Hound, or auction catalogues
are always spot on. I assume the photographers use continuous shooting
mode around the desired moments, to be sure of getting a good photo with
all the legs in the right place.
Obviously you need a fairly high spec. camera with this facility. The
EOS does have it, but the developing still costs a fortune unless you
have your own facilites to choose which shots you develop. I think that
the lower end digital cameras are disadvantaged in this area because
they cannot process and store the images quickly enough to do a burst,
*and* there is always a time lag with a digital camera anyway.
Sue B
Francis Burton
Roz Holmes <black_d...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Well, obviously this is what scienitific theory would suggest (well as
>far
>into genetics as I have been anyway!).
>
>I can't remember whether Jane said it was from her extensive breeding
>experience,
>or from new research/level of genetics I have not reached yet.
>I will email & ask her.
Please do!
All my books on horse colour genetics -- apart from Geurts, which is
very old -- confirm what Petra says, that the rate of greying is not
dependent on whether the horse has genotype GG or Gg. (Probably not
surprising if she consults the same books!)
However, Ann Bowling in "Horse Genetics" (CAB International, 1996)
writes:
Darker colors in the presence of G "gray out" more slowly than
do lighter colors.
Could this be what Jane was thinking of?
Francis
~E
Heh, I dont think the H&H photographers are limited to either the EOS or worry
about a digital camera that can do bursts, or development costs, so thats a
completely different league anyway. I, too, would love one of those digital
camera jobbies that Canon makes that you can just use their regular lenses on,
but fat chance of that happening :P
For the horsey action pics, I'd try to get my hands on a digital camera that
does do bursts, and just take lots of pics. Or do what you do, and suck up the
development costs...
Isn't there something professional photolabs do where they print tiny versions
of the pics on one overview sheet or something, and you can just pick the one
or two you want blown up? If anyone knows more about that sorta thing... im
listening, cause my development costs are rocketing too... Betchya none of
those Bowie shots come out anyway... -sigh-
Ta!
~E
Petra in Germany
>that the rate of greying is not
>dependent on whether the horse has genotype GG or Gg.
There is no reason why it should have any influence.
> Darker colors in the presence of G "gray out" more slowly than
> do lighter colors.
That is also not genetically probable. As there are only 2 colours a horse can
be the correct theory (if it was indeed correct ) would be that black grey out
more slowly than red based colours, but I doubt that. I think this particular
idea stems from the visible resultof the greying gene (which does,
incidentally, not just turn the base colour white, but black as well, which is
why it is impossible to judge the original colour from the visible result of a
grey. Best seen in Palominos going grey, they sprout black hair as well as
white while the palomino coat is transformed into a grey one but that aside. )
In a light colour the horse will LOOK lighter sooner than in a dark colour -
hence the impression that a lighter horse greys out faster.
Petra
Susan Barlow
~E wrote:
>
> Heh, I dont think the H&H photographers are limited to either the EOS or worry
> about a digital camera that can do bursts, or development costs,
I think most of them are freelance, but I bet they still have all the
top gear!
> so thats a
> completely different league anyway. I, too, would love one of those digital
> camera jobbies that Canon makes that you can just use their regular lenses on,
> but fat chance of that happening :P
Me too, as we have several lenses for our EOS inclding a mega zoom lens.
> Betchya none of
> those Bowie shots come out anyway... -sigh-
Wow, what was that like then? I would love to see him. (Veering wildly
off topic again:-)
Sue B
Susan Barlow
Graeme wrote:
> Best thing to use is an SLR (not used any of the new digital SLRs though -
> optical lens on digital body - looks like you'd need about £1500 to get a
> fast one though)
Yes, my next door office neighbour has just bought one. It's terribly
heavy though with the battery pack.
> http://members.tripod.com/ukreceq/pics.htm
> was one of a batch of 48 that I took at Claire's yard - six were worth
> keeping and only about three of them were moving shots.
Good fun pics! I actually like the overcast one the best, it's
atmospheric.
Re: the lilac one you mentioned, to be honest, our EOS gets perfectly
focused shots even when the horse is moving at speed, we very rarely get
a blurred one.
> Graeme
>
> who has boxes full of 'duff' 35mm prints!
Same here!
Sue B
Caroline
<S.Ba...@xmccx.ac.uk> writes
>> so thats a
>> completely different league anyway. I, too, would love one of those digital
>> camera jobbies that Canon makes that you can just use their regular
>>lenses on,
>> but fat chance of that happening :P
>
>Me too, as we have several lenses for our EOS inclding a mega zoom lens.
Ditto - hubby & I have both got Canon EOS's.
I'm saving up to get him the digital EOS for his 40th in 3 years' time -
it's just under £2k at the moment.
--
Caroline
There is no such thing as a snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast.
http://www.arpeggio.demon.co.uk
Francis Burton
Petra in Germany <petrain...@aol.com> wrote:
>>that the rate of greying is not
>>dependent on whether the horse has genotype GG or Gg.
>
>There is no reason why it should have any influence.
I guess that depends on what is at the root (pardon the
pun) of the greying-out process. Genes codes for proteins
which have a physiological effect. In many cases, one copy
of the gene is sufficient, because the process is either
switched on or not switched on. However, there are also
examples of dose-dependant gene effects and where there's
bigger effect with homozygous compared to heterozygous
(i.e. the effect is additive rather than all-or-nothing).
So there IS a reason why it COULD have an influence, though
whether it actually does in the case of GG/Gg is another
matter!
>In a light colour the horse will LOOK lighter sooner than in a dark
colour -
>hence the impression that a lighter horse greys out faster.
I'm not convinced that is what Ann Bowling meant, but I
can see your point.
Francis
Petra in Germany
>LOOK lighter sooner than in a dark
>colour -
>>hence the impression that a lighter horse greys out faster.
>
>I'm not convinced that is what Ann Bowling meant, but I
>can see your point.
I am not convincd it's what she MEANT - but it would be a probable explaination
of a visual observation (if indeed this is what it was )
It makes no sense to say "light colours go grey faster than dark " because
"light" colour is not a genetic entity as such.
For example : a Perlino ( almost white ) is a black based horse. Now by that
theory the perlino would go grey faster than a black horse even though the
base is the same ?
Petra
Steve Smith
> ~E wrote:
> Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's a matter of chance
> whatever camera you have, when photographing a moving horse. Unless
> anybody has any techniques they'd like to share?
It's not entirely a matter of chance. Given that you've got the exposure
& focus prepared, the secret of a good picture is down to timing.
By that I mean that you've got to be following the movement almost as
though you were sitting in the saddle yourself.
Most of the rest is just technical & depends on what effect you want to
achieve. If you want every part of the horse to be crisply in focus as
it traverses the field of view, then a shutter speed of less than 1/500th
sec. is a must. This in turn means using a fast lens (limiting the
depth of field because of the wide aperture) or a fast film (limiting the
resolution because of increased film grain size) unless it's a *very*
bright day (not this summer,then, it seems!).
Using a slower shutter speed at Cross Country water jumps can give some
interesting effects with the splashing.
Use print film as you can get away with gross errors in exposure.
Have a look at the Cross Country pictures on my website
http://www.horsefly.free-online.co.uk
Whilst I don't claim that they're to be up to Nag & Dog standards, most of them
have come out pretty well. They were all taken with a 20 year old Olympus
OM10 SLR with either the standard Zuiko 50mm lens or with a Vivitar
70mm-210mm zoom lens (max. aperture F2.4) using manual focus, manual
shutter speed setting and no power winder.Aside from some cropping to
improve the composition and a bit of gamma & contrast correction, they're
otherwise un-manipulated.
My experience of digital cameras is limited but has so far convinced me
that they have a long way to go in terms of value for money relative to
35mm chemical cameras. This will change as CMOS sensors replace the
more expensive, more power hungry and larger pixel size CCD sensors; give
it a year or so then the affordable ones may start to rival 35mm quality,
but the sensitivity neeeds to increase before they'll match the speed.
My Fujifilm DX-10 claims to have an equivalent speed of 150 ASA film; I
beg to differ. My experience suggests it's closer to 60 ASA.
The biggest problem with it, though, is the fact that it captures the
image about 1/4 of a second after you push the trigger! What was I saying
about timing? I don't try to take action shots with the DX-10 anymore :-)
--
Steve Smith
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The correct e-mail address should be obvious
Janet & Tim Costidell
http://www.fotofire.com/vscript/catindex.asp?S=ff (I'm on it somewhere),
they cover a lot of equestrian events? They have people stationed around
the courses, take loads of piccies, then go back to their tent at the venue,
and produce them from a computer to take home the same day. Excellent idea.
Great piccies too, I bought mine!
MandieandPEE
hard to tell as he is so dark in the first place. Peewee is what I would call
a dapple grey, and in summer this year hes almost white nin the body, he also
has the tell tale flea bitten chestnut bits coming back (the colour he was
born) even his dark legs are getting a LOT lighter, so he gives the impression
of lightening far quicker than Indigo but its an optical illusion I think, give
or take..... I'll get me coat.
Mandie
Susan Barlow
Steve Smith wrote:
> Have a look at the Cross Country pictures on my website
> http://www.horsefly.free-online.co.uk
Thanks for all the info Steve. BTW, out of all the pictures on your
website, my favourite is the one captioned "Another Mare and two colts"
in the Exmoor ponies bit.
Sue B
~E
<snip>
Wow, that was a great post Steve! Thank you... The timing thing I thought
about, and seemed rather logical, given you expect the horse to put his feet
down in a certain rhythm etc. Of course, they'll always -just- do something
unexpexcted the minute you snap...
I've never really taken pics of moving horses, but if I would, I'd probably
use (like you suggested) a fast lens (2.0 or something) and about 400-800
speed film, but Im still totally in my trial and error period when it comes to
taking pics... and I mostly do concerts now, which is a nightmare for various
things (smuggling your camera in, hoping you brought the right speed film,
realising the ultra big lights probably mean your fast film is too fast)...
bought a nice quick lens recently, just for that, but as its only a 50mm one
it's useless at stadium concerts/festivals and my zoom lens is too bloody
slow.... Would love to get my hands on a 70-210/2.8, but I cant see that
happening within my current budget, heh.
You sound like someone I may want to run tons of photo questions by... can I,
can I? :)
Thanks for the feedback!
~E
~E
>
>
> ~E wrote:
>>
>> Heh, I dont think the H&H photographers are limited to either the EOS or worry
>> about a digital camera that can do bursts, or development costs,
>
> I think most of them are freelance, but I bet they still have all the
> top gear!
They must do reasonably well then :P Watching the photographers at thefestival
last weekend made me drool...
>
>> Betchya none of
>> those Bowie shots come out anyway... -sigh-
>
> Wow, what was that like then? I would love to see him. (Veering wildly
> off topic again:-)
I summed it up in one word the other day by "Wow". The sex appeal of that man
is hugely unfair, and the thought of him being old enough to be my dad is
something I just dont even want to know, heh...
It was totally amazing... really struck me how much he seems to enjoy being on
stage doing his thing, challenging and toying with his audience... Best gig I
saw in a while!
This thread has gone insanely off topic... and its all my fault, Im sure ;)
~E
Susan Barlow
~E wrote:
> I summed it up in one word the other day by "Wow". The sex appeal of that man
> is hugely unfair, and the thought of him being old enough to be my dad is
> something I just dont even want to know, heh...
>
> It was totally amazing... really struck me how much he seems to enjoy being on
> stage doing his thing, challenging and toying with his audience... Best gig I
> saw in a while!
He is a truly amazing human being, so inspired, talented, intelligent
and articulate. He's one that has never had to re-invent himself, he
just continues to evolve.
> This thread has gone insanely off topic... and its all my fault, Im sure ;)
Maybe a record for the most thread subject changes, now "David Bowie"
was "Horse photography" was "ID and what to expect" :-)
Sue B
rainyseason
>
> I summed it up in one word the other day by "Wow". The sex appeal of that
man
> is hugely unfair, and the thought of him being old enough to be my dad is
> something I just dont even want to know, heh...
>
> It was totally amazing... really struck me how much he seems to enjoy
being on
> stage doing his thing, challenging and toying with his audience... Best
gig I
> saw in a while!
>
> This thread has gone insanely off topic... and its all my fault, Im sure
;)
>
> ~E
I saw him years ago at Milton Keynes and was one of the 'oldies' there.
Didn't
realise he had such a great younger following. Why does such a skinny man
with
dreadful teeth looks so totally amazing?! Well, he's fixed his teeth now,
but
even before that he had charisma. My son is named after him ;-)
I had a friend who wrote her BA psychology thesis on David Bowie. That
was over 25 years ago before 'media studies' was invented. Wish I could
read it now with the advantage of hindsight.
--
Barbara
------------------------------------
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Laura
yes he has. I didnt have braces on my teeth when I was a kid because (and I
told the dentist) that david bowie had wonky teeth and hes done fine for
himself so i didnt want mine done.
Then hes gone and had his done and i'm left alone in wonky teethdom.
Susan Swann
Roz Holmes <black_d...@hotmail.com> writes
>Apparently homozygous greys go 'white' earlier than heterozygous greys.
>If Flynn has both grey sire & grey dam he may be homozygous.
Flynns dam was grey, his sire was bay, he was born chestnut.
>
>Roz - full of useless info as usual!
not so it would seem.
>
>> I would love that he did not, but I think I have to face up to reality
>> and know he will.
I am told he is darker still then others that are near white at 8. But
time will tell,
>
>
--
Susan Swann
Susan Swann
>writes:
>
> Darker colors in the presence of G "gray out" more slowly than
> do lighter colors.
please can you explain this in layman's terms..
are you saying the darker bits will stay darker longer then the lighter
bits of grey. The darker he is at the start the longer he will say
darker. As his legs are very dark grey, his body is more an even mix of
dapples of light showing through dark base.
I have noticed his dapples look more obvious then they did, 6 months ago
after change to summer coat.
They are more eye-catching then before. But I think this is the light
parts of the dapples increasing making them more pronounced.
--
Susan Swann
Susan Swann
>can trace their ancestry back many generations.
Flynn is fully registered, so if I did a check through on colours would
it show more what he going to be like in the future.?
--
Susan Swann
rainyseason
Aw, that's too bad. Perhaps you can say you have an original Bowie
souvenir. Not a very good excuse, but it's all I can think of :-(
Barbara
(starting to feel 'horsey' now I've got a pair of muckers)
Peter
> use (like you suggested) a fast lens (2.0 or something) and about 400-800
> speed film,
If I can add my two-penneth in here...
You probably don't need such fast film and fast lenses as you think. I
typically use a 3.5 lens (rarely wide open) and ISO 100 film though I
will switch to ISO 400 if it's a dull day.
The 'sunny sixteen rule' helps to get an estimate of exposures. It
says; 'in bright sunny conditions, the shutter speed required, at f16,
will be the reciprocal of the film speed'. Which means, if your using
ISO 100 film, then in bright sunny conditions, the correct exposure is
1/100th second (use 1/125th) at f16. Or, if you want 1/500th second,
then use f8. Obviously, we don't get bright sunny conditions all the
time (or ever?) but even an overcast day will get you 1/500th at f5.6
with ISO 400 film.
Whether you actually need 1/500th or faster as Steve suggests is a
moot point. I typically use 1/250th if I don't want any movement,
1/125th if a small amount of movement is OK or 1/60th if I want
deliberate movement. But you MUST pan the camera. I nearly always use
a monopod which helps to give a steady pan. 1/500th is probably a good
bet though as a starting point if you want to be pretty sure of
getting everything sharp, then experiment from there.
Peter
http://equiphoto.net
Francis Burton
Susan Swann <susanc...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>However, Ann Bowling in "Horse Genetics" (CAB International, 1996)
>>writes:
>>
>> Darker colors in the presence of G "gray out" more slowly than
>> do lighter colors.
>
>please can you explain this in layman's terms..
I'm struggling to think how this statement can be made any
more "lay". If I knew what Ann Bowling _meant_ exactly, I
might have a better chance of explaining it! Sadly, she is
no longer alive to ask. :-(
>are you saying
Not my words, sorry!
> the darker bits will stay darker longer then the lighter
>bits of grey. The darker he is at the start the longer he will say
>darker. As his legs are very dark grey, his body is more an even mix of
>dapples of light showing through dark base.
As I understand it (Petra please keep me right, I'm typing
this from memory), greying occurs as a result of the
appearance of white hairs through the coat (not quite
uniformly over the whole body - rather more tends to appear
round the head initially, and less at the points?). This has
the effect of lightening the coat, as viewed from a
distance. The process is progressive and occurs at a rate
which _may_ be genetically determined (but probably by some
other gene than G). How fast the white hairs appear can vary
markedly between horses. Faster or slower greying may be
associated with certain breeds. Different types of grey
pattern, such as dappling, flecking and "flea-bitten" may
involve other factors or even other genes.
So if we're talking about absolute lightness, then for a set
rate of greying a horse that starts off dark will take
longer to get to the same colour than a horse which starts
off light. That much is pretty obvious. What isn't clear to
me is whether it was being implied that the greying rate
itself depends on the colour of the existing hairs. That
seems a bit unlikely to me.
Clear as mud? :-)
Francis
Steve Smith
> Thanks for all the info Steve. BTW, out of all the pictures on your
> website, my favourite is the one captioned "Another Mare and two colts"
> in the Exmoor ponies bit.
> Sue B
Hi Sue,
Glad you found the info useful & liked the pictures.
The "Another Mare and two colts" picture has had a bit more gamma and
contrast enhancement than normal as it was taken at 9:30 pm (or
thereabouts) from the road across Winsford Common on Midsummer's Day, 1998
The Sun was very low so the light is horizontal, coming from angle just
the other side of the ponies from the camera and the sky background is
very light which explains why I had to enhance it a bit.
The tarmac you can see is the lay-by my car was parked in, & I took the
picture by hanging out of the passenger window :-)
It only needed the standard lens as they were so close. The ponies
are quite laid back on Winsford Common and reasonably approacheable.
If you want to use the picture as wallpaper or in your screensaver, feel
free!
Steve Smith
> Steve Smith <SFJS...@loseme.horsefly.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: <snip>
>
> ....The timing thing I
> thought about, and seemed rather logical, given you expect the horse to
> put his feet down in a certain rhythm etc. Of course, they'll always
> -just- do something unexpexcted the minute you snap...
..then you've got a picture of a horse doing something unexpected; you
never know, it might to be something interesting ;-)
> I've never really taken pics of moving horses, but if I would, I'd
> probably use (like you suggested) a fast lens (2.0 or something) and
> about 400-800 speed film
I try to stick to 200 ASA moving up to 400 ASA only if I have to. That
said, I was chatting to Stephen Sparkes at Pontispool (who is now a
professional freelance photographer) and he has recommended Fujifilm
Superia 800 for poor light so I'm going to give that a try.
As to getting horse picture experiences, try going to a few showjumping
events as a spectator & run off a couple of films. You may even find that
people will ask you to sell them a copy (it happens to me all the time :-).
After a while, you might be able to afford that lens!
, but Im still totally in my trial and error
> period when it comes to taking pics...
so am I! I've just had a bit of practice with horse pictures.
> and I mostly do concerts now, which is a nightmare for various things
In my concert going days, it was cassette recorders people were smuggling
in. That was tricky too. I didn't have a camera in those days...
>... bought a nice quick lens recently, but as its only a 50mm one it's
> useless at stadium concerts/festivals
but excellent for showjumping and cross country. The shots of Blyth Tait
on my website were taken with the 50mm.
> and my zoom lens is too bloody slow.... Would
> love to get my hands on a 70-210/2.8, but I cant see that happening
> within my current budget, heh.
>
always a problem. There are two reasons I've stuck with my old OM10.
No 1 is that,when the OM series was first launched, Olympus decided to use
the same 50mm F1.8 Zuiko lens as the standard for the entire range.
This meant that the 'entry level' OM10 had exactly the same quality lens
as the 'top-of-the-range' OM2 i.e. top quality with an amazing resolving
power.
The result was they sold OM10's faster than Nestles sold Smarties.
So there are a lot of them about on the secondhand market, usually
priced around £90.
No. 2 is that there are also a lot of second hand OM fit accessories
and lenses available. The manual adapter cost me £10 and the Vivitar zoom
lens cost me £50, both from the London Camera Exchange in Taunton about 6
and 4 years ago respectively.
> You sound like someone I may want to run tons of photo questions by...
> can I, can I? :)
Well, I'll try to answer your questions but I'm no expert really. Better
take it off group, though, to avoid annoying everyone. The e-mail addy is
valid once you've lost it ;-)
> Thanks for the feedback!
You're welcome.
> ~E
Can I call you Tilde for short? ;-)
Susan Barlow
Steve Smith wrote:
> If you want to use the picture as wallpaper or in your screensaver, feel
> free!
>
Thank you Steve,
In fact I hope you don't mind, I used it as the basis for some pencil
sketching I did a while ago. I remember that I had seen them before. Of
course, it won't be being sold or anything like that! I might put it
online if I can find it now.
Sue B
MandieandPEE
>I was thinking - if everybody was to dig through their boxes of terrible
>horsey photos - would it be worth running a competition?
>Worst Neddy Photo of The Year Award?
>
Dont bother entering you lot, I'd win. Crap photographer of the year here.
Cant coordinate my finger with the horses movement, usually trigger happy so
you end up with no extention, just about to take off not jumping..... film/
processing companies just love me.
Mandie Someone else can use the digital at the meet:o)
Susan Barlow
Steve Smith wrote:
> As to getting horse picture experiences, try going to a few showjumping
> events as a spectator & run off a couple of films. You may even find that
> people will ask you to sell them a copy (it happens to me all the time :-).
> After a while, you might be able to afford that lens!
I took some of a friend on her dressage schoolmaster, when I borrowed
the digicam over the weekend, I printed them out and she was absolutely
thrilled with them. I must admit, I am very pleased with them too, I got
some lovely moments :-) I will ask her if she minds if I put her online!
Now another friend has asked me will I do some of her and her eventer.
Sue B
Avril
> colour -
> >hence the impression that a lighter horse greys out faster.
this isn't the case with pride and her daughter, who both started off
being black, and have greyed out really quickly. pride was white
by the time she was 8.
avril
Petra in Germany
Grey gene progressively turns base colour hair into white hair. Meaning every
year more white hairs appear . The gene also turns some hair black initially,
then white again - this is why it is so difficult to tell the original base
colour of a dapple grey. ( it might have been born chestnut but the
"black-white" effect of the G gene turned it dapple - looking black-white
dappled grey. )
The speed at which the grey gene attacks is inherited, some grey out fast -
some grey out slow. There is no scientific base to homozygous greys greying out
at a faster rate, nor that lighter colours grey out faster ( the plural of
anektdote is not data )
The later the horse starts to grey the slower it tends to grey, a horse which
is still iron at 4 will probably take quite a long time to go totally white.
dapples and flea bitten are separate genetic bits which sit alongside the grey
gene.
>What isn't clear to
>me is whether it was being implied that the greying rate
>itself depends on the colour of the existing hairs. That
>seems a bit unlikely to me.
It makes no sense genetically, but I can see how it will appear like that
visually as the remaining base colour hairs on a light horse are by definition
lighter (obvious, isn't it ) than on a dark horse so the horse with the light
base colour will look lighter than an equivalent greying horse with a dark base
colour.
Having said that if you look at that Palomino-Grey he is far DARKER now than he
was as a Palomino due to the blackening effect of the grey gene.
Petra
Petra in Germany
>it show more what he going to be like in the future.?
>
It might - if you look at his grey parent and their parent and found out how
long they stayed dark. As he is still quite dark now he appears to be one of
the late grey-ers - but I'm sure you appreciate that he will progressively turn
whiter as the years go on.
Enjoy his pretty colour while it lasts :-)
Petra
Avril
is grey, therefore he will become white!
avril
Petra in Germany
>this isn't the case with pride and her daughter, who both started off
>being black, and have greyed out really quickly. pride was white
>by the time she was 8.
Sure - but had they been born light wishy washy chestnut they would have LOOKED
lighter even earlier if that makes sense.
Petra
Susan Swann
<js...@totalise.co.uk> writes
you say that but we have a Gelderlander cross WB in the yard he is 12
years and very dark grey with near black legs, in fact the best way to
describe him, is look at a Dapple Grey Rocking horses and he is like
that.
Yes he may go lighter. But in all honesty it will be a long way off the
way he is going.
I am not expecting Flynn to turn chestnut. I am not that silly.
I just wondered and it is only a small wonder at that. The likely hood
of him retaining the dark iron grey a while or is this going to
disappear in the next couple of years. I say iron grey, his under lining
colour is red flecks as Vet called him a rose grey.
ID X in yard is 9 and he is now near white, but was much lighter then
Flynn at same age.
just a question which may not have an answer
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Susan Swann
Steve Smith
> <pedant>
> it's "Winsford _HILL_" really!!
> </pedant>
> <g>
It's right on the website!! :-)
Actually, though, the photos were taken on the smaller lump of hill
nearer to Dulverton & Tarr Steps than the larger lump with the barrows on
the top. Are they both Winsford Hill?
>
> btw, you wouldn't be the same Steve that was putting up jumps at the
> West Somerset Riding Club evening show (that Gwenda was running) at
> Knowle last month, would you?
'Twas I, 'twas.I was actually on holiday at the time, staying with
Gwenda's folks at West Anstey. I used to go on holiday to Knowle before
I stumbled on West Anstey by mistake!
Pity I don't know what you look like else I'd have said "Hello".
Steve Smith
Sounds great, I'd love to see it. Don't worry about me sueing you for
baseing your artistic works on my photos; it ain't going to happen.:-)
Susan Swann
Germany <petrain...@aol.com> writes
>>Flynn is fully registered, so if I did a check through on colours would
>>it show more what he going to be like in the future.?
>>
>
>It might - if you look at his grey parent and their parent and found out how
>long they stayed dark. As he is still quite dark now he appears to be one of
>the late grey-ers - but I'm sure you appreciate that he will progressively turn
>whiter as the years go on.
sadly I do, his dam is now very light grey, and she is about 10 now, but
she was not as dark at same age.
That gives some idea really.
>
>Enjoy his pretty colour while it lasts :-)
thanks I intend to. Poo stains dont show too much, I just say he is a
Green Grey.LOL
>
>Petra
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Susan Swann
Simon Avery
~E <ju...@ask.me.invalid> wrote:
Hello ~E
E> For the horsey action pics, I'd try to get my hands on a
E> digital camera that does do bursts, and just take lots of
E> pics. Or do what you do, and suck up the development
E> costs...
What about a digital movie camera? Those allow you to lift stills
from them, don't they - or is the quality too poor?
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Simon Avery, Devon, UK
Susan Barlow
Simon Avery wrote:
> What about a digital movie camera? Those allow you to lift stills
> from them, don't they - or is the quality too poor?
I believe the resolution is much lower
Sue B
~E
>
> Hello ~E
>
> E> For the horsey action pics, I'd try to get my hands on a
> E> digital camera that does do bursts, and just take lots of
> E> pics. Or do what you do, and suck up the development
> E> costs...
>
> What about a digital movie camera? Those allow you to lift stills
> from them, don't they - or is the quality too poor?
No clue, but given the choice for shelling out for that cam, and spending the
same amount of money for that 70-200/2.0 lens, I'd go for the latter anyway ;)
My horse isnt the best of movers anyway :P
Am chuffed with my Bowie pics though :)
~E
Fiona
Hetja is a peculiar shade of chestnut - she has a lot of blacky-grey hairs
mixed in, particularly on her legs. I just assumed it was an Icelandic
variation of chestnut. However I noticed today a faint but very definite
dorsal stripe along her hindquarters. Is this a normal characteristic of
chestnut? Not that I am bothered - I love chestnut horses, in fact I was a
little disappointed when Lara didn't turn out chestnut (although she is a
very light bay) as her mother was by a chestnut stallion, and her sire was
also chestnut. Got the gender I wanted though, which is more important!
Fiona
Melanie
>Just a quickie - does chestnut ever have a dorsal stripe?
Boyce is a bright/metallic chestnut and has a very distinct dorsal stripe of
darker chestnut hairs.
Melanie
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Petra in Germany
>Just a quickie - does chestnut ever have a dorsal stripe?
yes, frequently.
>
>Hetja is a peculiar shade of chestnut - she has a lot of blacky-grey hairs
>mixed in, particularly on her legs.
quite normal actually. Do you know what colour her parents were ?
Petra
Avril
> Yes he may go lighter. But in all honesty it will be a long way off the
> way he is going.
this is what i meant. not, he "may" go lighter, but you can put your
next year's salary on it, he WILL go lighter. he'll either become white
or be dead first i.e. it may be a long way off, but its a cert.
avril
Petra in Germany
>
> Yes he may go lighter. But in all honesty it will be a long way off the
> way he is going.
He WILL go lighter. In fact he WILL eventually go white - guess is he will be
light dapple grey in about 3 years time and not far off white by the time he is
10 or 12 .
He is a slow greying horse for sure, but not THAT slow - I was talking to a 10
year old yesterday who is now 75 % white at least, and didn't even start
greying until he was 4 ( he was registered as black and even graded as a
stallion at 3 as black )
Petra
Susan Swann
<S.Ba...@xmccx.ac.uk> writes
I have got some really good shots from ours. I have even got some good
action shots!
It takes practice like any camera. But the film I would have gone
through and processing costs.
I love messing around direct rather then the messing around of scanning.
I often do a multiple image selection for people at the yard. Which they
love to keep.
so useful if you can capture moments of constructive use later or the
special moments.
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Susan Swann