Another reason I am not happy at livery yard
Susan Swann
The weather is s***
I arrive at yard. Fred has already out Jack in stable for me.
Yard lady has gone off again in box to Nick Turner Lesson for daughter
on 2 horses.
Have put other horses in stables, except Duke.#
Duke is her so called pony had since child.
Aged over 30years.
Looking very poor now.
She can't afford to have him destroyed, but can got to Nick Turner
lessons at over 30.00 plus a time. every 2 weeks.
He is still out in field, with same rug I saw yesterday, half undone, up
his neck, got rips in it, so it lets wet through.
Out there in the awful wind, rain, shouting as he is on his own.
I could not leave him.
I found another rug, got him in. Put in stable, still un mucked.
Gave him some hay.
Changed for a dry rug.
How could they go off, and leave him out.
Now tell me about people who buy are more responsible.
I am so angry.
Sorry I just had to get this off my chest.
Oh forgot to mention, left out two others, that 2 weeks ago decided that
some nights we will bring in, and some nights not.
Natives, yes, but clipped blanket clips, no rugs.
Yes those were out again as well.
Susan
emma_b
The problem is you just can't walk away and leave those poor
ponies. I found myself looking after a TB on our yard as owner
simply didn't turn up most of the time and I couldn't leave him
shivering in the field. Trouble is these people don't
appreciate your help and even come to expect it :(
It is really frustrating. Sorry just realised this posting is
no help at all just another vent - but at least you're not the
only one.
Emma and Tango
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Melanie Weaver-Thorpe
> She can't afford to have him destroyed, but can got to Nick Turner
> lessons at over 30.00 plus a time. every 2 weeks.
Have you mentioned this to her? She sounds like the 'I can't possibly
afford any more hay/feed/whatever for Pickle as I've just spent all my money
on some more brushing boots and a smart show rug for him' lot.
> Now tell me about people who buy are more responsible.
There are always exceptions...and I never said responsible, I just mentioned
that if people (in general) have paid hard cash for something they usually
take better care of it. Alas, it doesn't always work that way though.
What did she say when she got back from her lesson and found him in? I hope
she was suitably grateful but I have nasty feeling that she probably wasn't.
Melanie
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windsucker and a child's pony.
Windsucker has lost weight because his owner couldn't afford/be bothered to
come and feed him properly.
They only found out because I realised that he hadn't been fed or even had
his rug removed for weeks... I originally assumed that I had missed them as
I don't get to the stables until early evening. When I took the rug off I
nearly cried - the poor thing looked like a rescue case.
We called the owner and asked what was going on and she said that she
couldn't manage it because she was ill and had no baby sitter to help her as
hers had moved away - she then asked (after we had figured it out) if we
could help for a few weeks - that was over four months ago! and I received
three phone calls from the owners in that time.
So me and my mum made the effort to feed and look after the two horses as
well as our own.
I have neglected the proper care (well, I have given them all the bare
minimum) of my own horses as I can't bare to any of see them suffer.
Then, to top it all off I got a mouth full of abuse from the owners
boyfriend re. the weight loss!!
They have suddenly come over all protective and loving of their horses - so
much so that when they ran out of straw this week they informed me that I
should just "chuck them both out in the field for a few nights" - and then
got abusive about the grazing again - he even had the cheek to say that he
thought that he should have be in charge of the field!!!!
HA! B**LLCKS I say - They have had full livery for £10 a week, and I even
found a loaner for them as even now they cant afford either of them but now
the loaner doesn't want to take the windsucker on as she doesn't trust the
owners.
so - I've told em that if they don't like it and don't sort themselves out
they can both sod off and find some other mug to pay for the upkeep of their
"prized" pets.
Saying that I don't know if I could see them take them away - who else would
look out for the horses well being - because they certainly aren't...
What is it with people? I know I love my horses and would never want to part
with them - but because I love them I would never see them suffer because I
couldn't afford to look after them properly.
Laura
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Holmes
>Stewth Susan, relax, you'll give yourself a heart attack or >ulcers.
>Jeez, sounds like a nervous breakdown coming on, take a >deep breath
>and count to ten.
Yeah, and what a waste of space that lot was.
You clearly have no heart.
Roz & April.
Susan Swann
<emma_dd_20...@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> writes
>What is wrong with these people??
>
>The problem is you just can't walk away and leave those poor
>ponies. I found myself looking after a TB on our yard as owner
>simply didn't turn up most of the time and I couldn't leave him
>shivering in the field. Trouble is these people don't
>appreciate your help and even come to expect it :(
No
Oh thanks Susan
No
Apparently when she returned last night she sat in landy, with heater
going and kids finished off horses, from the box.
Makes me think what if I had not brought him in.
He might have been left out.
>
>It is really frustrating. Sorry just realised this posting is
>no help at all just another vent - but at least you're not the
>only one.
Otherwise I think I am turning into a winge.
You sometimes need someone else to say what you did was right.
Susan
Susan Swann
<l_b...@cableinet.co.uk> writes
>Neither of you are alone - since Christmas I have been looking after a
>windsucker and a child's pony.
>
>Windsucker has lost weight because his owner couldn't afford/be bothered to
>come and feed him properly.
>
>They only found out because I realised that he hadn't been fed or even had
>his rug removed for weeks..
rug removed for first time in over 3 weeks was because he went to Jump
Training.
Difficult to put saddle on rugged horse.
I do mean same rug in field as well in stable.
Just pull out to field in morning by forelock, return to stable at night
by same means.
Why change rug when you can save time.
>. I originally assumed that I had missed them as
>I don't get to the stables until early evening. When I took the rug off I
>nearly cried - the poor thing looked like a rescue case.
nights she does not come up at all, horses left out, no feed. No extra
rug or rugs.
This has happened cold nights as well as better nights.
>
>We called the owner and asked what was going on and she said that she
>couldn't manage it because she was ill and had no baby sitter to help her as
>hers had moved away - she then asked (after we had figured it out) if we
>could help for a few weeks - that was over four months ago! and I received
>three phone calls from the owners in that time.
>
>So me and my mum made the effort to feed and look after the two horses as
>well as our own.
>
>I have neglected the proper care (well, I have given them all the bare
>minimum) of my own horses as I can't bare to any of see them suffer.
>
>Then, to top it all off I got a mouth full of abuse from the owners
>boyfriend re. the weight loss!!
>They have suddenly come over all protective and loving of their horses - so
>much so that when they ran out of straw this week they informed me that I
>should just "chuck them both out in the field for a few nights" - and then
>got abusive about the grazing again - he even had the cheek to say that he
>thought that he should have be in charge of the field!!!!
>
>HA! B**LLCKS I say - They have had full livery for £10 a week, and I even
>found a loaner for them as even now they cant afford either of them but now
>the loaner doesn't want to take the windsucker on as she doesn't trust the
>owners.
>
>so - I've told em that if they don't like it and don't sort themselves out
>they can both sod off and find some other mug to pay for the upkeep of their
>"prized" pets.
>
>Saying that I don't know if I could see them take them away - who else would
>look out for the horses well being - because they certainly aren't...
>
>What is it with people? I know I love my horses and would never want to part
>with them - but because I love them I would never see them suffer because I
>couldn't afford to look after them properly.
yard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Susan & Jack
Susan Swann
<mel...@world.co.uk> writes
>Susan Swann wrote:
>> She can't afford to have him destroyed, but can got to Nick Turner
>> lessons at over 30.00 plus a time. every 2 weeks.
>
>Have you mentioned this to her? She sounds like the 'I can't possibly
>afford any more hay/feed/whatever for Pickle as I've just spent all my money
>on some more brushing boots and a smart show rug for him' lot.
her rent to him. Running behind more & more.
A few months ago I had the vet ring me for her address, They even rang
Melissa on her mobile for her address.
I then had the handy man at my door, as he lives just down road from me,
asking for her address.
I know she owes another friend money.
So I think she owes the hay man money.
But at present there is only 3 stables taken for livery, Jack & Freds 2
horses.
The rest 9 stables are her horses, plus ones in fields.
Yes we have new saddles bought,
Jumping lessons.
Going to shows.
>
>> Now tell me about people who buy are more responsible.
>
>There are always exceptions...and I never said responsible, I just mentioned
>that if people (in general) have paid hard cash for something they usually
>take better care of it. Alas, it doesn't always work that way though.
>
>What did she say when she got back from her lesson and found him in? I hope
>she was suitably grateful but I have nasty feeling that she probably wasn't.
No thanks.
I had to ring her this morning at 8.30 as no hay in yard.
She gets it in.
I lent mine out, but needed to know.
I got told it was arriving today.
It did, but instead of her normal 56 bales, only 10 were delivered.
That wont go far even with just her own.
Susan thinks tomorrow she will order her own again.
Susan & Jack I have put my name down on 2 waiting lists this week for yards.
Robert Jones
there is obviously a very serious point - at what stage/level of
neglect does it become a matter for the RSPCA/ILPH/BHS Welfare or
even the law? And what can we do, beyond Susan's picking up the
pieces, which I am sure she will agree feels frustratingly futile in
the longer run.
I am sure we've all been there - seen neglect to a greater or lesser
extent under our noses and been unable to do anything much. People
can be a right bunch of shits sometimes, but that's never going to
change. Should we promote a system of licensing and inspections for
all horse owners, and if so by whom. For livery yards such a system
already exists of course, but seems woefully inadequate.
On a personal level it might also be worth mentioning that it's not
just yard owners who neglect horses. I run a small yard, where I hasten
to add standards of care are uncompromisingly high, and I wouldn't
touch DIY'ers with a barge pole, precisely because of this kind of
thing. As the yard owner you have a duty to the horses however neglected
by their owners they may be, and you easily end up giving part/full
livery service for DIY prices - not a thing you can sustain on an
ongoing basis. I know DIY is what most genuine horse lovers want,
and I am sure most subscribers to this group would be good clients,
but running such a yard without being unpleasantly dictatorial about
it is nigh-on impossible. I wish I had more answers, but I don't.
In the end I just try to run the best yard I can, and lead by example,
but maybe that's just hiding from the problem.
Well done to Susan for trying, but in the end I fear it's hopeless.
Julie Wilson
Saturday, afer 8 years. I went back there only 6 weeks ago, after a year
off. I was totally shocked, the yard owner is having a baby (was due last
week) and has not been around the yard for some time. SOme of the owners
are helping out but there are egos rising to the surface. I absolutely hate
it, it is so incestious, it has changed beyond recognition. THe final stra
came when I saw them turning out the horses.
They opened the large barn doors, a trailer was half in and out, they then
opened all the stable doors and turned 10 horses out in one go. It was so
dangerous, I shot into my stable and did not let Winston out, one pony got
its rug caught on a hook on the trailer (which I have seen happen twice),
two horses went into others stables and ate their food, some went out and
ran back in. It was disgusting, Winston was upset at the comotion, well
that was it for me.
I am not sure if the owner knows what is going on, but I really don't wish
to interfere but there is going to be a serious accident one day, and I
don't want ot be there when it happens.
Julie
Karen8863
will do bits for you if you so wish. Whilst most of us are fanatical about our
horses, when the yard changed from full livery to DIY there were initially a
lot of empty boxes and the owner rented them out to a couple with about 7
horses of their own. Unfortunately although she was very sweet he was one of
these people who think they know every thing, yet the horses were kept in very
poor conditions. Half of them ahad no more that a handful of hay on the floor,
minimal feeding, poor rugs etc. In the end the owner of th yard was forced to
ask him to leave as none of us could bear to see the state that the horses were
in.
Thankfully the people on the yard now all seem to have the horses best
interests at heart. Long may it remain so
Karen and Bugsy
Susan Swann
adele audin
> On any yard I've been on there have always been complaints about the
> yard/grazing/other liveries of one nature or another, and all too
> often the liveries complain to each other instead of letting the one
> person who can do anything about it know, the owner.
If only that was the case in the yards I've been in. Unfortunately round our
way too many yards have been developed as a consequence of the
diversification from farming and the owners are too often largely to blame
themselves. All the following bad management stories took place in 4 yards
I've been on and are either by yard owners or condoned by owners. That's one
of the reasons I moved to my own place 18 months ago:
Grass cuttings fed in field directly from lawnmower - (They said I was cruel
for taking my horses in when they did this)
Turn out as described above by last poster (all herded (chased in this case)
together). My gelding developed a field gate phobia as a consequence which
took weeks to 'fix'
Theft of feed by yard owners daughter
Smoking/Drinking nightly in stables by yard owners daughter (she also
brought her teenage friends round every night who would get up to
unmentionables on the hay!)
Riding of liveries horses without permission (used in lessons whilst owner
on holiday)
NZ Rug left on a pony loaned to yard owner so long leg straps cut into
(began to grow) into flesh and vet (called by me) reported yard to RSPCA
nothing happened.
Fallings out so that one livery owner put ACP paste into another's feed
(honestly) I was asked to leave this yard after making a fuss about the
person who did this being allowed to stay!
Owners being allowed to leave their horse stabled (for no other reason then
couldn't get out of bed in the mornings) when all others turned out and this
particular one regularly went into an absolute frenzy at being left in,
soaking sweat and dangerous to go into stable it was so bad. (Once again me
in trouble for dealing with it)
Yard owner condoning owners decision to stable a driving pony 24/7 with
water and hay only offered once a day then removed 'because he spills it in
his bed!'
All the above go off regularly in livery yards round here, I've friends who
are still in livery regularly in tears over the dramas that go on at their
yards. Good livery yards are like gold dust unfortunately, I've only managed
to find one that wasn't in some way or another 'corrupt' and that was only
because there was only 2 owners and the yard owner stabling there. Round
here most yard owners are in it for the money only and although many start
off with the best intentions as soon as they realise they could get still
more money from more owners the troubles start from overgrazing, bickering
which escalates int all out war etc.
sorry.. got a hang up about livery yards as if you couldn't tell).
Sorry to go on for so long but I HATED livery and will never go back into it
by choice. It makes me appreciate every second of my current situation
which, although it can be a little isolating and I'm meeting more owners
now, beats paying someone else to try and tell me how to manage/ride/train
my animals.
Susan Swann
>I wish I had more answers, but I don't.
>In the end I just try to run the best yard I can, and lead by example,
>but maybe that's just hiding from the problem.
But why do I always end up the door mat
Because I care, because I am stupid
>
>Well done to Susan for trying, but in the end I fear it's hopeless.
Where I am, I fear it is.
I can chose to stay, do my own thing which is what I should do.
I leave, because I can't stand to see it in my face any longer.
The real shame of all of this is.
She is really a nice person, but I feel too many problems on finances.
It is taking over.
Susan
Susan Swann
<adele...@btinternet.com> writes
>.
>> On any yard I've been on there have always been complaints about the
>> yard/grazing/other liveries of one nature or another, and all too
>> often the liveries complain to each other instead of letting the one
>> person who can do anything about it know, the owner.
>of the reasons I moved to my own place 18 months ago:
about 3 months.
I have also been looking for another yard as well.
I have my name on 2 waiting lists.
I have been in one great yard, run well, fields managed well. not too
big.
Sand school, floodlit. Moved with loan pony.
But she has someone there that bullied Melissa at another yard, main
reason we left, but also bullied her at school. School did deal with it,
but as you can imagine, not somewhere I would consider my free time
hobby spent.
Shame as she has a vacancy, we could go back.
>Sorry to go on for so long but I HATED livery and will never go back into it
>by choice. It makes me appreciate every second of my current situation
>which, although it can be a little isolating and I'm meeting more owners
>now, beats paying someone else to try and tell me how to manage/ride/train
>my animals.
So in mean time, I do Jack, get on well with Fred & Lesley, get on with
land owner.
Smile, say hello to lady who runs yard, pay my rent. Keep my area tidy.
Ride my horse. Try to ignore much around me.
But will still bring in Duke when forgot.
Till next time***
Susan & Jack
adele audin
> from hell, this sounds horrific. So much for enjoyable passtimes.
It got so bad in one yard I didn't want to go and ride. Used to get up at
5.30 in the morning so I wouldn't see one particular owner (who had bought a
big ID with a didgy tendon for £500 at an auction and persisted in jumping
it for 2 hours every day despite it being dog lame). There was NOTHING
enjoyable about that
> beats paying someone else to try and tell me how to manage/ride/train
> >my animals.
> Certainly can't disagree with you there. I've experienced some things
> that I thought were bad, but this makes them pale into insignificance.
> I can't understand how they survive. Maybe the decent liveries all
> leave and are replaced by people that just don't know/care.
That's indeed what has happened in several places. Before I bought my
place,myself and 2 other owners rented our own stabling and grazing as did
several other owners. I reckon most people left are the ones who either
don't care or are too ignorant to recognise there's a problem.
Adele
Jane Tatchell
pay my bills, she would be looked after, fed, exercised, turned out,
groomed, stable cleaned without my having to lift a finger. (Of course,
I do actually aim to at least do the exercise part of all this and some
grooming, otherwise why bother to have a horse!) The facilities for
schooling, tuition and hacking are excellent. From all the other
postings from Adele and Susan and others (some posts haven't yet arrived
for me) in this thread and elsewhere, I realise I should count my
blessings and not grumble about the odd few things that I would prefer
to be done a bit differently.
However, there are *no* DIY liveries on the yard. Although the yard
owner would, in theory, take a couple of DIY's, the DIY boxes are
currently in use for two full liveries. I certainly can't imagine that a
DIY owner would be permitted to continue to neglect a horse kept on the
yard. They'd either have to buck their ideas up or they'd be out.
Jane, counting blessings: Location, facilities, attitude, atmosphere
Michelle Bowers
> I do sympathise with anyone leaving a yard.
>
The yard that I am at have been for three years changes hands in Sept -
Basically it is a riding school/livery yard the house land etc was sold
las August & the new people asked Clare who runs the yard to stay, she
has decided to go Sept, she has started to sell the school horses it is
such a shame it has been great & everyone get's on well - The yard will
become a DIY yard only but things will not be the same, never is when
things change hands.
Michelle
Sue Watson
>> On any yard I've been on there have always been complaints about the
>> yard/grazing/other liveries of one nature or another, and all too
>> often the liveries complain to each other instead of letting the one
>> person who can do anything about it know, the owner.
>
>
>If only that was the case in the yards I've been in. Unfortunately round our
>way too many yards have been developed as a consequence of the
>diversification from farming and the owners are too often largely to blame
>themselves. All the following bad management stories took place in 4 yards
>I've been on and are either by yard owners or condoned by owners. That's one
>of the reasons I moved to my own place 18 months ago:
>
>Grass cuttings fed in field directly from lawnmower - (They said I was cruel
>for taking my horses in when they did this)
I've been at a yard that did this.
>Riding of liveries horses without permission (used in lessons whilst owner
>on holiday)
or horses not exercised when supposed to be and the owners still
charged.
>Fallings out so that one livery owner put ACP paste into another's feed
>(honestly) I was asked to leave this yard after making a fuss about the
>person who did this being allowed to stay!
That is terrible.
>Owners being allowed to leave their horse stabled (for no other reason then
>couldn't get out of bed in the mornings) when all others turned out and this
>particular one regularly went into an absolute frenzy at being left in,
>soaking sweat and dangerous to go into stable it was so bad. (Once again me
>in trouble for dealing with it)
>Yard owner condoning owners decision to stable a driving pony 24/7 with
>water and hay only offered once a day then removed 'because he spills it in
>his bed!'
>
I am so lucky with my yard. No neglect of any sort would be tolerated,
the owner is a very scary lady who will say in no uncertain terms if
your horse is not properly looked after! She has pointed out to a
livery in the past that stabling her horse 24 hours a day whilst all the
others went out was unfair. All the horses are very realxed and happy.
The worst complaint I had was that it took 3 weeks to change the light
above my stable but thats minor in comparison to some.
one yard I was at was a dealing yard - horses from all over the country
were routinely put in with theo others so all sorts of viruses went
round. The beds were three feet high for the full liveries (I kid you
not) where they were never fully mucked out, and the power went off 3
times a week on average.
--
Sue Watson