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Jethro_uk
Nov 14, 2012, 6:57:56 AM11/14/12
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Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about 1km.
It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No pavement, or
footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding up the hill
managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire length of the
hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously puffing up the
hill. No one could overtake because (a) there are a few tight bends and
(b) a stream of oncoming traffic made it impossible to pull out.
I wonder what the net carbon emissions for this scene were ? 1 cyclist
smugly thinking "I am saving the planet" with about 40 cars pumping out
increased emissions due to grinding in low gear.
It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No pavement, or
footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding up the hill
managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire length of the
hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously puffing up the
hill. No one could overtake because (a) there are a few tight bends and
(b) a stream of oncoming traffic made it impossible to pull out.
I wonder what the net carbon emissions for this scene were ? 1 cyclist
smugly thinking "I am saving the planet" with about 40 cars pumping out
increased emissions due to grinding in low gear.
Steve Firth
Nov 14, 2012, 10:04:28 AM11/14/12
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Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about 1km.
> It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No pavement, or
> footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding up the hill
> managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire length of the
> hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously puffing up the
> hill.
Oh they are right little charmers. A few years ago I helped a friend out
> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about 1km.
> It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No pavement, or
> footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding up the hill
> managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire length of the
> hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously puffing up the
> hill.
with his harvest. Someone had decided to organise a "fun cycling event" on
the roads around his farm. This involved a route that led to cyclists
riding three or four abreast in a complicated loop that took them around
every field entrance.
None of the tractors could pass them. At one point I sat behind a peleton
of 20 or so cyclists who deliberately fanned out to prevent overtakes, the
cyclist at the rear sticking his fingers up to following traffic. A harvest
that should have been over by about six PM delayed until around 9PM. Giant
combines burning fuel and doing nothing because we couldn't get the
trailers to them.
It was dog in a manger behaviour but when one of the farm workers managed
to stop a couple and ask them politely if they could adapt their plans to
take account of the harvest all GE got was abuse and the "I know my rights"
speech.
To some the countryside is a giant free playground. To others it is their
factory floor.
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bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 14, 2012, 10:22:22 AM11/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:04:28 +0000 (UTC)
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>None of the tractors could pass them. At one point I sat behind a peleton
>of 20 or so cyclists who deliberately fanned out to prevent overtakes, the
>cyclist at the rear sticking his fingers up to following traffic. A harvest
>that should have been over by about six PM delayed until around 9PM. Giant
>combines burning fuel and doing nothing because we couldn't get the
>trailers to them.
I'm surprised the tractors could keep up with them. 20mph on the level
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>None of the tractors could pass them. At one point I sat behind a peleton
>of 20 or so cyclists who deliberately fanned out to prevent overtakes, the
>cyclist at the rear sticking his fingers up to following traffic. A harvest
>that should have been over by about six PM delayed until around 9PM. Giant
>combines burning fuel and doing nothing because we couldn't get the
>trailers to them.
seems to be the limit of most of them, usually sitting in the middle of the
road to make it impossible to pass in a car, never mind anything bigger.
I've been on B roads in a queue of dozens of cars and god knows how many
lorries sitting behind Farmer Palmer with his tractor + trailer of hay or shit
who had no intention of pulling over until he reached his field whereupon
he takes the entire fucking road and about 30 seconds to manouver the thing
through the gate.
B2003
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 14, 2012, 10:39:00 AM11/14/12
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"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:318803228374590999.638918%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about 1km.
>> It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No pavement, or
>> footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding up the hill
>> managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire length of the
>> hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously puffing up the
>> hill.
>
> Oh they are right little charmers. A few years ago I helped a friend out
> with his harvest. Someone had decided to organise a "fun cycling event"
What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about 1km.
>> It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No pavement, or
>> footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding up the hill
>> managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire length of the
>> hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously puffing up the
>> hill.
>
> Oh they are right little charmers. A few years ago I helped a friend out
> with his harvest. Someone had decided to organise a "fun cycling event"
their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
Jethro_uk
Nov 14, 2012, 11:35:53 AM11/14/12
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with binoculars, waiting until he sees a sports car, and then timing it
to pull out just in front of the car ...
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 14, 2012, 11:38:45 AM11/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:39:00 -0000
"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
Its probably fun if you're an ultra-competative beanpole who's idea of a good
"Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
time is winning and screwing over everyone else regardless. They're the same
sorts of unhinged morons who scream their heads off at their 7 year old kid at
school sports days because he's not bending it like Beckham in the 5-a-side
friendly with year 12.
B2003
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 14, 2012, 11:44:54 AM11/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:35:53 GMT
Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>I'm reminded of an old Viz Farmer Palmer, where he's scanning the horizon
>with binoculars, waiting until he sees a sports car, and then timing it
>to pull out just in front of the car ...
There's probably more than a grain of truth in it. Last year I came up to
Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>I'm reminded of an old Viz Farmer Palmer, where he's scanning the horizon
>with binoculars, waiting until he sees a sports car, and then timing it
>to pull out just in front of the car ...
a mini roundabout in some town in wiltshire where a tractor+trailer was coming
from the right and the bastard didn't even stop. Just went straight across it.
The only reason I stopped was because it was obvious he had no intention of
slowing down and I didn't want to risk him taking off the back of my car if
I tried to beat him to it.
B2003
nik.morgan
Nov 14, 2012, 12:19:27 PM11/14/12
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DavidR
Nov 14, 2012, 3:45:09 PM11/14/12
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<bolta...@boltar.world> wrote
in front or a car behind.
>
> I'm surprised the tractors could keep up with them. 20mph on the level
> seems to be the limit of most of them,
Tractors have a top speed that is dependant on whether there is a cyclist
> I'm surprised the tractors could keep up with them. 20mph on the level
> seems to be the limit of most of them,
in front or a car behind.
Steve Firth
Nov 14, 2012, 3:49:06 PM11/14/12
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<bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:04:28 +0000 (UTC)
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> None of the tractors could pass them. At one point I sat behind a peleton
>> of 20 or so cyclists who deliberately fanned out to prevent overtakes, the
>> cyclist at the rear sticking his fingers up to following traffic. A harvest
>> that should have been over by about six PM delayed until around 9PM. Giant
>> combines burning fuel and doing nothing because we couldn't get the
>> trailers to them.
>
> I'm surprised the tractors could keep up with them. 20mph on the level
> seems to be the limit of most of them, usually sitting in the middle of the
> road to make it impossible to pass in a car, never mind anything bigger.
A JCB Fastrac which is what my friend uses to haul trailers does 45 mph -
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:04:28 +0000 (UTC)
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> None of the tractors could pass them. At one point I sat behind a peleton
>> of 20 or so cyclists who deliberately fanned out to prevent overtakes, the
>> cyclist at the rear sticking his fingers up to following traffic. A harvest
>> that should have been over by about six PM delayed until around 9PM. Giant
>> combines burning fuel and doing nothing because we couldn't get the
>> trailers to them.
>
> I'm surprised the tractors could keep up with them. 20mph on the level
> seems to be the limit of most of them, usually sitting in the middle of the
> road to make it impossible to pass in a car, never mind anything bigger.
towing 7 tonnes. I suggest you get your speedometer fixed.
> I've been on B roads in a queue of dozens of cars and god knows how many
> lorries sitting behind Farmer Palmer with his tractor + trailer of hay or shit
> who had no intention of pulling over until he reached his field whereupon
> he takes the entire fucking road and about 30 seconds to manouver the thing
> through the gate.
Buy another record.
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Mike P
Nov 14, 2012, 3:53:23 PM11/14/12
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general, twats. I do things that are alien to them, like stop to let cars
past (in sensible places) and stop at junctions and lights.
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JNugent
Nov 14, 2012, 4:57:55 PM11/14/12
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On 14/11/2012 20:53, Mike P wrote:
> Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
> Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>>>> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about
>>>> 1km. It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No
>>>> pavement, or footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding
>>>> up the hill managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire
>>>> length of the hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously
>>>> puffing up the hill.
>
>>> Oh they are right little charmers. A few years ago I helped a friend
>>> out with his harvest. Someone had decided to organise a "fun cycling
>>> event"
>
>> What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>> their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
>
> I enjoy cycling. I just don't to it with other cyclists. They are, in
> general, twats. I do things that are alien to them, like stop to let cars
> past (in sensible places) and stop at junctions and lights.
Thanks for that.
>>> Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>>>> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about
>>>> 1km. It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No
>>>> pavement, or footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding
>>>> up the hill managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire
>>>> length of the hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously
>>>> puffing up the hill.
>
>>> Oh they are right little charmers. A few years ago I helped a friend
>>> out with his harvest. Someone had decided to organise a "fun cycling
>>> event"
>
>> What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>> their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
>
> I enjoy cycling. I just don't to it with other cyclists. They are, in
> general, twats. I do things that are alien to them, like stop to let cars
> past (in sensible places) and stop at junctions and lights.
Mrcheerful
Nov 14, 2012, 5:06:44 PM11/14/12
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sense recently, grinding up a hill at about 4 mph, very single track road,
but with plenty of field entrances, but would he use one? of course not.
It is no wonder that cyclists get pushed out of the way.
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 15, 2012, 4:45:23 AM11/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:19:27 -0600
nik.morgan <ig....@me.com> wrote:
>> The only reason I stopped was because it was obvious he had no intention of
>> slowing down and I didn't want to risk him taking off the back of my car if
>> I tried to beat him to it.
>>
>> B2003
>
>A large number of them are east Europeans,
Certainly there do seem to be a lot of rather young guys in charge of farm
nik.morgan <ig....@me.com> wrote:
>> The only reason I stopped was because it was obvious he had no intention of
>> slowing down and I didn't want to risk him taking off the back of my car if
>> I tried to beat him to it.
>>
>> B2003
>
>A large number of them are east Europeans,
machinery on the roads these days.
B2003
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 15, 2012, 4:48:17 AM11/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC)
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'm surprised the tractors could keep up with them. 20mph on the level
>> seems to be the limit of most of them, usually sitting in the middle of the
>> road to make it impossible to pass in a car, never mind anything bigger.
>
>A JCB Fastrac which is what my friend uses to haul trailers does 45 mph -
>towing 7 tonnes. I suggest you get your speedometer fixed.
Wow, that much eh? Someone phone Guiness book of records. HGV drivers must
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'm surprised the tractors could keep up with them. 20mph on the level
>> seems to be the limit of most of them, usually sitting in the middle of the
>> road to make it impossible to pass in a car, never mind anything bigger.
>
>A JCB Fastrac which is what my friend uses to haul trailers does 45 mph -
>towing 7 tonnes. I suggest you get your speedometer fixed.
be green with envy.
B2003
Mike P
Nov 15, 2012, 7:09:51 AM11/15/12
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drive a tractor at 16.
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bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 15, 2012, 7:21:23 AM11/15/12
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want some kiddie driving a 10 ton tractor on the same road as me.
B2003
nik.morgan
Nov 15, 2012, 9:22:29 AM11/15/12
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bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 15, 2012, 10:34:21 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:24:39 +0000
damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
>probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
>they should have been 13.
>So they will be used to handling various vehicles in wet slippery
>conditions, more practice with trailers than many caravaners ,know how
>to get large vehicles through narrow roads and entrances years before
>a large goods vehicle learner can even think about it and with the
>cost of a modern decent tractor being in the �50,000-80,000 bracket
>not many will let an idiot on one in the way a town kid gets let loose
>on Mums old Corsa.
Thats all well and good, but teenagers are teenagers. Most drive perfectly
sensibly when under supervision otherwise none of them would ever pass a
driving test. Its when they're on their own and they take a risk that they
wouldn't if someone else was around when the problems start.
B203
damdu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
>probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
>they should have been 13.
>So they will be used to handling various vehicles in wet slippery
>conditions, more practice with trailers than many caravaners ,know how
>to get large vehicles through narrow roads and entrances years before
>a large goods vehicle learner can even think about it and with the
>cost of a modern decent tractor being in the �50,000-80,000 bracket
>not many will let an idiot on one in the way a town kid gets let loose
>on Mums old Corsa.
Thats all well and good, but teenagers are teenagers. Most drive perfectly
sensibly when under supervision otherwise none of them would ever pass a
driving test. Its when they're on their own and they take a risk that they
wouldn't if someone else was around when the problems start.
B203
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Jethro_uk
Nov 15, 2012, 11:33:41 AM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:34:21 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:
> Thats all well and good, but teenagers are teenagers. Most drive
> perfectly sensibly when under supervision otherwise none of them would
> ever pass a driving test. Its when they're on their own and they take a
> risk that they wouldn't if someone else was around when the problems
> start.
I would argue it's when they are with their mates. Aren't new drivers
> Thats all well and good, but teenagers are teenagers. Most drive
> perfectly sensibly when under supervision otherwise none of them would
> ever pass a driving test. Its when they're on their own and they take a
> risk that they wouldn't if someone else was around when the problems
> start.
prohibited from carrying passengers, or was that just a suggestion ? For
a simple provision, it would save a lot of lives.
Steve Firth
Nov 15, 2012, 1:35:30 PM11/15/12
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<bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
> B203
Crikey Bob, are you really so dim that you type that every time you post?
The typo says "yes".
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> B203
Crikey Bob, are you really so dim that you type that every time you post?
The typo says "yes".
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Steve Firth
Nov 15, 2012, 1:35:30 PM11/15/12
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<damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> You'd be hard put to get 20 out most tractors back then.
Damned difficult to get 9mph out of my Fiat 355M now. If bloater ever got
stuck behind my tractor he would explode. Quite tempting to take it to
Tottenham Hale or whichever blighted north London scum pit he lives in to
piss him off.
[snip]
> I believe some countries require teaching vehicle control first off
> the highway before how to correctly drive on it.
This country, for example if the vehicle has two wheels.
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[snip]
> You'd be hard put to get 20 out most tractors back then.
Damned difficult to get 9mph out of my Fiat 355M now. If bloater ever got
stuck behind my tractor he would explode. Quite tempting to take it to
Tottenham Hale or whichever blighted north London scum pit he lives in to
piss him off.
[snip]
> I believe some countries require teaching vehicle control first off
> the highway before how to correctly drive on it.
This country, for example if the vehicle has two wheels.
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Nov 15, 2012, 1:37:07 PM11/15/12
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Nov 15, 2012, 1:43:17 PM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:24:39 -0000, <damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:21:23 +0000 (UTC), bolta...@boltar.world
> His not ,although since I was on the farm tractors have got a lot
> bigger and faster. I'm no longer up to date with it but a 16 year is
> restricted to ones up to a certain weights and sizes and the tractor
> has to be used for agricultural purposes . Some of the fastrac range
> just gets in to that.
> I never bothered to get a licence at 16 as we had no roads that needed
> to be driven along but some of my compatriots did. One then started to
> drive to school with an old grey fergie rather than cycle much to the
> annoyance of the school staff as he used their car park.
> Probably illegal but there was no one around to really check,taking to
> the garage on the way home for some oil wasn't he.
> ones with many farms becoming a central one and using the land of
> others whose buildings have been sold to become homes in the country
> for those escaping from their self created Rat Race.
> So there is a need for longer distances on roads.
> They are even called Tarmac Farmers by other farmers.
Father walks into his son's room and starts talking.
"Son, masturbating will cause you to go blind."
"But dad, I'm over here!"
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:21:23 +0000 (UTC), bolta...@boltar.world
> bigger and faster. I'm no longer up to date with it but a 16 year is
> restricted to ones up to a certain weights and sizes and the tractor
> has to be used for agricultural purposes . Some of the fastrac range
> just gets in to that.
> I never bothered to get a licence at 16 as we had no roads that needed
> to be driven along but some of my compatriots did. One then started to
> drive to school with an old grey fergie rather than cycle much to the
> annoyance of the school staff as he used their car park.
> Probably illegal but there was no one around to really check,taking to
> the garage on the way home for some oil wasn't he.
> You'd be hard put to get 20 out most tractors back then.
> It's the change in agriculture that has created a demand for faster
> ones with many farms becoming a central one and using the land of
> others whose buildings have been sold to become homes in the country
> for those escaping from their self created Rat Race.
> So there is a need for longer distances on roads.
> They are even called Tarmac Farmers by other farmers.
>
> I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
> probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
> they should have been 13.
My friend when I were a young lad was a farmer's son. When it came to learn to drive a car, he only needed one lesson.
> I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
> probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
> they should have been 13.
Father walks into his son's room and starts talking.
"Son, masturbating will cause you to go blind."
"But dad, I'm over here!"
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Nov 15, 2012, 1:44:13 PM11/15/12
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Nov 15, 2012, 3:43:52 PM11/15/12
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<damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> red after a bit. Even then it was an ancient machine but was kept for
> hauling firewood out of nearby woods. usually a job for me after
> school. And ours had the high speed gearing, std gave about 5 mph.
Oh it is. It will crawl up and down slopes that look vertical.
> I got 5 shillings (+ tiffin) for a days garden work for a retired
> Indian Army Colonel
> He had one of these which was fun for a 12 year old.
> http://www.tractordata.co.uk/garden/pages/ransome_mg5/index.htm
> You only put an ungloved hand on the exhaust when getting out once.
The closest modern alternatives are these, I reckon:
http://www.odisys.hu/goldoni/eng/lander_75.html
Quite a bit bigger but still dinky as crawlers go.
Goldoni's 2 and 4 wheel tractor range are also great. Tiny tractors
designed for working under vines but they are not lawn tractors. These are
closer to a TE20 modernised. The two wheelled versions are used to haul
trailers, drive circular saws, compressors, generators etc.
http://www.ctm-ltd.co.uk/index.php/goldoni-tractors/
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> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:35:30 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> <damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> You'd be hard put to get 20 out most tractors back then.
> I think our old Fordson N maxed out at about 10 but the exhaust glowed
> <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> <damdu...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> You'd be hard put to get 20 out most tractors back then.
> red after a bit. Even then it was an ancient machine but was kept for
> hauling firewood out of nearby woods. usually a job for me after
> school. And ours had the high speed gearing, std gave about 5 mph.
>>
>> Damned difficult to get 9mph out of my Fiat 355M now.
>
> Had to look it up,looks fun.
>> Damned difficult to get 9mph out of my Fiat 355M now.
>
Oh it is. It will crawl up and down slopes that look vertical.
> I got 5 shillings (+ tiffin) for a days garden work for a retired
> Indian Army Colonel
> He had one of these which was fun for a 12 year old.
> http://www.tractordata.co.uk/garden/pages/ransome_mg5/index.htm
> You only put an ungloved hand on the exhaust when getting out once.
The closest modern alternatives are these, I reckon:
http://www.odisys.hu/goldoni/eng/lander_75.html
Quite a bit bigger but still dinky as crawlers go.
Goldoni's 2 and 4 wheel tractor range are also great. Tiny tractors
designed for working under vines but they are not lawn tractors. These are
closer to a TE20 modernised. The two wheelled versions are used to haul
trailers, drive circular saws, compressors, generators etc.
http://www.ctm-ltd.co.uk/index.php/goldoni-tractors/
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bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 4:47:16 AM11/16/12
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Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
><bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>>
>> B203
>
>Crikey Bob, are you really so dim that you type that every time you post?
>The typo says "yes".
Yes I do. Want to know why? Because if I set a sig in the newsreader then
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
><bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>>
>> B203
>
>Crikey Bob, are you really so dim that you type that every time you post?
>The typo says "yes".
it means I have to fuck about changing when I post under a different id. And
typing 5 characters is hardly an onorous task now is it.
BTwoThousandAndThree
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 4:52:19 AM11/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:39:14 -0000
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:38:45 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:39:00 -0000
>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>>> their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
>>
>> Its probably fun if you're an ultra-competative beanpole who's idea of a good
>> time is winning and screwing over everyone else regardless. They're the same
>> sorts of unhinged morons who scream their heads off at their 7 year old kid
>at
>> school sports days because he's not bending it like Beckham in the 5-a-side
>> friendly with year 12.
>
>Just because you're an overweight unfit couch potato, don't assume everyone
>else wants to be.
Au contraire - I've spent the last 20 years doing weight training in a gym.
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:38:45 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:39:00 -0000
>> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>>> their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
>>
>> Its probably fun if you're an ultra-competative beanpole who's idea of a good
>> time is winning and screwing over everyone else regardless. They're the same
>> sorts of unhinged morons who scream their heads off at their 7 year old kid
>at
>> school sports days because he's not bending it like Beckham in the 5-a-side
>> friendly with year 12.
>
>Just because you're an overweight unfit couch potato, don't assume everyone
>else wants to be.
But you see the difference is I don't make a big deal out of it. Its a hobby,
not a competetive lifestyle with a psychotic compulsion to defeat anyone who
challenges me. Or whatever goes through the minds of those tedious type A
personalities.
B2003
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 4:53:37 AM11/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:41:35 -0000
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:44:54 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:35:53 GMT
>> Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>>> I'm reminded of an old Viz Farmer Palmer, where he's scanning the horizon
>>> with binoculars, waiting until he sees a sports car, and then timing it
>>> to pull out just in front of the car ...
>>
>> There's probably more than a grain of truth in it. Last year I came up to
>> a mini roundabout in some town in wiltshire where a tractor+trailer was
>coming
>> from the right and the bastard didn't even stop. Just went straight across
>it.
>> The only reason I stopped was because it was obvious he had no intention of
>> slowing down and I didn't want to risk him taking off the back of my car if
>> I tried to beat him to it.
>
>Here's a handy hint, give way to traffic on your right on a roundabout. It
>works wonders.
Says the man who admits to deliberately driving through red lights. I'd be
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:44:54 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:35:53 GMT
>> Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>>> I'm reminded of an old Viz Farmer Palmer, where he's scanning the horizon
>>> with binoculars, waiting until he sees a sports car, and then timing it
>>> to pull out just in front of the car ...
>>
>> There's probably more than a grain of truth in it. Last year I came up to
>> a mini roundabout in some town in wiltshire where a tractor+trailer was
>coming
>> from the right and the bastard didn't even stop. Just went straight across
>it.
>> The only reason I stopped was because it was obvious he had no intention of
>> slowing down and I didn't want to risk him taking off the back of my car if
>> I tried to beat him to it.
>
>Here's a handy hint, give way to traffic on your right on a roundabout. It
>works wonders.
amazed if you haven't broken every pane in that glass house you're standing in.
B2003
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 4:55:32 AM11/16/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:43:17 -0000
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
>> probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
>> they should have been 13.
>
>My friend when I were a young lad was a farmer's son. When it came to learn
>to drive a car, he only needed one lesson.
There's more to driving than just physically controlling a vehicle. Driving
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
>> probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
>> they should have been 13.
>
>My friend when I were a young lad was a farmer's son. When it came to learn
>to drive a car, he only needed one lesson.
a tractor in an empty field is no training for driving a car on the A1 in
rush hour.
B2003
Lieutenant Scott
Nov 16, 2012, 6:11:26 AM11/16/12
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The trouble with cycling races may be the wind resistance thing - what's most efficient for your speed probably gets in the way of the other racers.
I have a photographic memory that was never developed.
Lieutenant Scott
Nov 16, 2012, 6:12:55 AM11/16/12
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Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
Lieutenant Scott
Nov 16, 2012, 6:13:45 AM11/16/12
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Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together?
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 6:20:34 AM11/16/12
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>Damned difficult to get 9mph out of my Fiat 355M now. If bloater ever got
>stuck behind my tractor he would explode. Quite tempting to take it to
>Tottenham Hale or whichever blighted north London scum pit he lives in to
>piss him off.
I wouldn't bother. The school runners have already got the block the traffic
>stuck behind my tractor he would explode. Quite tempting to take it to
>Tottenham Hale or whichever blighted north London scum pit he lives in to
>piss him off.
gig covered in the mornings. And if you leave it parked anywhere it'll
probably be nicked by pikeys and be in a container on its way to bulgaria
before you've finished writing your first rant of the day.
B2003
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 6:22:14 AM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:13:45 -0000
B2003
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:55:32 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:43:17 -0000
>> "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>>> I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
>>>> probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
>>>> they should have been 13.
>>>
>>> My friend when I were a young lad was a farmer's son. When it came to learn
>>> to drive a car, he only needed one lesson.
>>
>> There's more to driving than just physically controlling a vehicle. Driving
>> a tractor in an empty field is no training for driving a car on the A1 in
>> rush hour.
>
>That's why he took 1 lesson. Then passed first time with no faults.
Took it it the rush hour in a city did he?
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:55:32 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:43:17 -0000
>> "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>>> I wouldn't worry about the driving ability either, the 16 year has
>>>> probably been handling the equipment since he was 10 or 12 though
>>>> they should have been 13.
>>>
>>> My friend when I were a young lad was a farmer's son. When it came to learn
>>> to drive a car, he only needed one lesson.
>>
>> There's more to driving than just physically controlling a vehicle. Driving
>> a tractor in an empty field is no training for driving a car on the A1 in
>> rush hour.
>
>That's why he took 1 lesson. Then passed first time with no faults.
B2003
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 6:27:32 AM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:11:26 -0000
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>The trouble with cycling races may be the wind resistance thing - what's most
>efficient for your speed probably gets in the way of the other racers.
Don't they just sit behind you and use you as a wind block? I never understood
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>The trouble with cycling races may be the wind resistance thing - what's most
>efficient for your speed probably gets in the way of the other racers.
long distance cycling. How anyone can stand to sit on those saddles for hours
at a time god knows. And as for the famine victim look it tends to give rise
to - no thanks. Most of the Tour De France riders look like 4 pipe cleaners
attached to a toilet roll with a head stuck on top.
B2003
Lieutenant Scott
Nov 16, 2012, 6:58:38 AM11/16/12
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It is bad luck to be superstitious.
Lieutenant Scott
Nov 16, 2012, 7:03:41 AM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:27:32 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:11:26 -0000
> "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> The trouble with cycling races may be the wind resistance thing - what's most
>> efficient for your speed probably gets in the way of the other racers.
>
> Don't they just sit behind you and use you as a wind block?
The trouble is if you want to get ahead of the group. Doing so on your own is tiring as you have no wind block. Two people going off together can shelter 50% of the time, three 67% of the time, etc. But they have to cooperate and share equally....
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:11:26 -0000
> "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> The trouble with cycling races may be the wind resistance thing - what's most
>> efficient for your speed probably gets in the way of the other racers.
>
> Don't they just sit behind you and use you as a wind block?
Then there's a the arguments which ensue over wobbling and knocking each other off, especially when accelerating hard in a sprint finish. And "he cut across me on purpose" kinda thing.
With teams it gets worse as a crap cyclist in team 1 can sacrifice his position to fuck up the position of the best one in team 2.
> I never understood
> long distance cycling. How anyone can stand to sit on those saddles for hours
> at a time god knows.
I only do a bit of recreational cycling, and I find it gets uncomfortable after a while, although the more you do it the longer it takes to get uncomfortable. I guess it's like your hands hardening up if you do outdoor work.
> And as for the famine victim look it tends to give rise
> to - no thanks. Most of the Tour De France riders look like 4 pipe cleaners
> attached to a toilet roll with a head stuck on top.
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 7:20:56 AM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:03:41 -0000
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> And as for the famine victim look it tends to give rise
>> to - no thanks. Most of the Tour De France riders look like 4 pipe cleaners
>> attached to a toilet roll with a head stuck on top.
>
>You're just jealous. Zero visible body fat looks better in my opinion, and
If you're under 40 its ok, over 40 people with no fat or much muscle generally
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> And as for the famine victim look it tends to give rise
>> to - no thanks. Most of the Tour De France riders look like 4 pipe cleaners
>> attached to a toilet roll with a head stuck on top.
>
>You're just jealous. Zero visible body fat looks better in my opinion, and
just look unwell.
>most people would agree. Why do you think diets are so popular?
you've just been released from Auschwitz. Most long distance cyclists are
firmly in the latter category.
B2003
Steve Firth
Nov 16, 2012, 7:23:30 AM11/16/12
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is that moment.
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<•DarWin><|
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Lieutenant Scott
Nov 16, 2012, 7:34:35 AM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:20:56 -0000, <bolta...@boltar.world> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:03:41 -0000
> "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>> And as for the famine victim look it tends to give rise
>>> to - no thanks. Most of the Tour De France riders look like 4 pipe cleaners
>>> attached to a toilet roll with a head stuck on top.
>>
>> You're just jealous. Zero visible body fat looks better in my opinion, and
>
> If you're under 40 its ok, over 40 people with no fat or much muscle generally
> just look unwell.
You prefer to have fat when you're over 40? I disagree. Fat always looks worse. Age always looks worse. Both looks even worse.
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:03:41 -0000
> "Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>>> And as for the famine victim look it tends to give rise
>>> to - no thanks. Most of the Tour De France riders look like 4 pipe cleaners
>>> attached to a toilet roll with a head stuck on top.
>>
>> You're just jealous. Zero visible body fat looks better in my opinion, and
>
> If you're under 40 its ok, over 40 people with no fat or much muscle generally
> just look unwell.
Muscle is the opposite, the more the better, but I'd say fat is what makes the most difference. I'd make more effort to lose fat than I would to gain muscle.
>> most people would agree. Why do you think diets are so popular?
>
> With women.
> Anyway, there's a difference between being slim and looking like
> you've just been released from Auschwitz. Most long distance cyclists are
> firmly in the latter category.
Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the creator of human intelligence.
Chris Bartram
Nov 16, 2012, 8:17:27 AM11/16/12
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On 14/11/2012 20:53, Mike P wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:39:00 +0000, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>
>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:318803228374590999.638918%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-
> september.org...
>>> Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>>>> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about
>>>> 1km. It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No
>>>> pavement, or footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding
>>>> up the hill managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire
>>>> length of the hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously
>>>> puffing up the hill.
>>>
>>> Oh they are right little charmers. A few years ago I helped a friend
>>> out with his harvest. Someone had decided to organise a "fun cycling
>>> event"
>>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:39:00 +0000, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>
>> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:318803228374590999.638918%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-
> september.org...
>>> Jethro_uk <jeth...@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
>>>> Not far from where I live there's quite a hill, climbing for about
>>>> 1km. It's a narrow country road, just enough for two cars. No
>>>> pavement, or footpath. Last night, about 5:30pm, a cyclist, grinding
>>>> up the hill managed to bring a column of cars stretching the entire
>>>> length of the hill to a 8mph crawl, as he wobbled about precariously
>>>> puffing up the hill.
>>>
>>> Oh they are right little charmers. A few years ago I helped a friend
>>> out with his harvest. Someone had decided to organise a "fun cycling
>>> event"
>>
>> What an oxymoron, "fun cycling event". Their demeanour, their hatred and
>> their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
>
>> their behaviour tends to suggest that these events are anything BUT fun.
>
> I enjoy cycling. I just don't to it with other cyclists. They are, in
> general, twats. I do things that are alien to them, like stop to let cars
> past (in sensible places) and stop at junctions and lights.
>
>
>
>
A friend of mine is similar: he cycles for pleasure and to commute.
> general, twats. I do things that are alien to them, like stop to let cars
> past (in sensible places) and stop at junctions and lights.
>
>
>
>
Follows the highway code, doesn't obstruct, overtakes correctly in
traffic queues. I try to do the same, but I'm a very occaisional cyclist
(once or twice a week, typically). It's not cyclists that are the issue
here: it's arseholes with no consideration or thought: the mode of
transport is irrelevant.
It's very strange really, considering that surely most cyclists must
also hold a driving licence.
wib...@wobble.world
Nov 16, 2012, 8:46:53 AM11/16/12
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Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> BTwoThousandAndThree
>
>If ever confirmation of moronicity were signed, sealed and delivered, now
>is that moment.
Whatever you say Filth.
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>> BTwoThousandAndThree
>
>If ever confirmation of moronicity were signed, sealed and delivered, now
>is that moment.
** MrWibble **
bolta...@boltar.world
Nov 16, 2012, 8:49:47 AM11/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:34:35 -0000
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> Anyway, there's a difference between being slim and looking like
>> you've just been released from Auschwitz. Most long distance cyclists are
>> firmly in the latter category.
>
>I wouldn't say so. Going to the gym you probably think they don't have enough
>muscle in their upper bodies. But they cycle. The main power for cycling is
>from the legs, so that's where they will have the muscle!
Chris Hoy has muscle. Bradley Wiggins has a pair of twiglets.
"Lieutenant Scott" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
>> Anyway, there's a difference between being slim and looking like
>> you've just been released from Auschwitz. Most long distance cyclists are
>> firmly in the latter category.
>
>I wouldn't say so. Going to the gym you probably think they don't have enough
>muscle in their upper bodies. But they cycle. The main power for cycling is
>from the legs, so that's where they will have the muscle!
B2003
Lieutenant Scott
Nov 16, 2012, 8:56:04 AM11/16/12
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Hickory dickory dock, three mice ran up the clock. The clock struck one, and the others got away with minor injuries.
Jethro_uk
Nov 17, 2012, 8:27:01 AM11/17/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:33:41 +0000, Jethro_uk wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:34:21 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:
>
>> Thats all well and good, but teenagers are teenagers. Most drive
>> perfectly sensibly when under supervision otherwise none of them would
>> ever pass a driving test. Its when they're on their own and they take a
>> risk that they wouldn't if someone else was around when the problems
>> start.
>
> I would argue it's when they are with their mates. Aren't new drivers
> prohibited from carrying passengers, or was that just a suggestion ? For
> a simple provision, it would save a lot of lives.
and, as if by magic
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:34:21 +0000, boltar2003 wrote:
>
>> Thats all well and good, but teenagers are teenagers. Most drive
>> perfectly sensibly when under supervision otherwise none of them would
>> ever pass a driving test. Its when they're on their own and they take a
>> risk that they wouldn't if someone else was around when the problems
>> start.
>
> I would argue it's when they are with their mates. Aren't new drivers
> prohibited from carrying passengers, or was that just a suggestion ? For
> a simple provision, it would save a lot of lives.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20376088
Ministers may consider moves to ban young drivers in England and Wales
from carrying anyone except family members as passengers, reports suggest.
Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin told the Daily Telegraph he was
looking at ways of reducing road deaths involving newly-qualified
motorists.
Insurers believe peer pressure on young drivers can lead them to take
risks.
The Department for Transport says the issue is being considered but there
are "no plans" for legislation.
The Association of British Insurers says drivers aged 17-24 are
responsible for a disproportionately high number of crashes, deaths and
claims.
It says an 18-year-old is more than three times as likely as a 48-year-
old to be involved in a crash, and that a third of drivers killed in car
accidents were under 25.
That was despite the fact that the under 25s form only one in eight of
all car drivers.
In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, Mr McLoughlin said he would
consider measures put forward by the ABI which could cut the number of
accidents involving young motorists.
Continue reading the main story
“
Start Quote
Other countries have adopted these measures and their experience has
shown that they're largely self-policing”
End Quote
Malcolm Tarling
Association of British Insurers
"I read regular reports where three or four young people have been
killed in a car, and it's a new driver, and you wonder what happened," he
told the newspaper.
"When I talk to young people who have recently passed their test, what
they say sometimes is that peer pressure is put on them to go fast, to
show off.
"They are not anticipating an accident, but something goes wrong. They
are not drivers with a huge amount of experience by the very fact of
their being new drivers. I think we have got to look at that.
"There is a suggestion as to whether you should look at a restriction
whether anyone could carry passengers for six or nine months when they
have first passed their test.
"There are suggestions about them only perhaps being allowed to take a
family member to drive a car when you are learning, you have to have a
qualified driver in the car. So these are all sorts of areas that I think
we can look at."
It comes six weeks after the Association of British Insurers called for
an overhaul in the system - suggesting people should spend a year
learning to drive and urging the introduction of a graduated licence for
the first six months after passing a test.
ABI spokesman Malcolm Tarling denied that a restriction on who young
drivers could carry as passengers would be difficult to enforce.
He said: "In terms of policing, you could use that argument for just
about anything, really.
"Other countries have adopted these measures and their experience has
shown that they're largely self-policing.
"Of course there will always be people who will look to avoid the law,
but the reality is if you impose something like this, and encourage
people to follow it, international experience has shown that that is
exactly what people do."
But Neil Greig from the Institute of Advanced Motorists said forcing
young motorists to carry only family members with them in the car would
not necessarily make them safer drivers.
"Young drivers themselves admit that they are lacking experience, but we
don't believe that restricting people - such as curfews at night and
restricting the number of passengers they can carry - is the way to
develop that experience.
"They need the opportunities to get to learn, by doing these things, by
carrying young people, by going out at night - how else can they learn?"
A Department for Transport spokesman said: "Improving the safety and
ability of young drivers is a key priority for the government, which is
why we have made the driving test more realistic - and are also
considering how to improve training for drivers after they pass their
test.
"There are no plans to introduce graduated licensing in England and Wales.
"However, we are working with young people, the insurance industry, and
other key partners to identify what more can be done to ensure that newly
qualified drivers are properly prepared and drive safely.
"We will consider carefully any ideas that reduce the risks of accidents
involving young drivers."
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