Endorsements and Driving Work
Shamen
I brought up a discussion a few months ago regarding a Dr10 on my license
and getting a driving job. Thanks for everyone who gave me the excellent
advice/links before but I need some more help. I will run through this for
anyone who missed that post.
I was convicted of drink driving in 1998, I have not drove up until now. I
recently applied to get my license back, which I have now, an endorsement
DR10 was put on it. I have applied for many driving jobs but have not had
much success because of the endorsement. As far as I know(now) A conviction
for drink driving is spent after 5 years under the Rehabilitation of
Offenders Act 1974 but it remains on the license for a further 6 years for
rehabilitation purposes only. I know that insurers will/should only ask for
motoring offences in the last 5 years, regardless of any endorsements which
is the case when I took my insurance out online I was not asked to disclose
it. Hers a link to a article which is very informative, thanks to the op.
http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/ombudsman-news/25/25-disclosure-of-spent-motoring-convictions.htm
Right, if this is the case, I applied for a job for a large company for a
driving job, here is my response.
Dear *****
Thank you very much for you very much blah blah blah.
Unfortunately we cannot accept any candidates with more than 3 points or a
Dr Offence on their license, due to insurance reasons.
Your sincerely
*****
What do you make of this? where do I stand? Who should I get onto? Any
advice I would be appreciate.
Thanks
.
the Dr10 isn't "points" your conviction is spent, you do not have to
declare spent convictions. you told them of the Dr10, that was a
mistake. you ought to have kept schtumm, as is your right, and then
played the discrimination card if they had accepted you for the job
only to subsequently reject you for the Dr10
your fault, really. better luck with the next application.
JNugent
> Hey all
> I brought up a discussion a few months ago regarding a Dr10 on my license
> and getting a driving job. Thanks for everyone who gave me the excellent
> advice/links before but I need some more help. I will run through this for
> anyone who missed that post.
> I was convicted of drink driving in 1998, I have not drove up until now. I
> recently applied to get my license back, which I have now, an endorsement
> DR10 was put on it. I have applied for many driving jobs but have not had
> much success because of the endorsement. As far as I know(now) A conviction
> for drink driving is spent after 5 years under the Rehabilitation of
> Offenders Act 1974 but it remains on the license for a further 6 years for
> rehabilitation purposes only.
You have my sympathies. This ten-year "rehabilitation period" is bull. It
serves no purpose other than to further punish the citizen by souring his
relationship with actual and potential employers and insurance companies -
and thereby possibly costing him money. If the endorsement has no legal
effect beyond the end of the four years of its currency (which I generously
assume starts after the regaining of the licence), it is outrageous that
the licence should still carry it. The DVLC and the PNC are perfectly
capable of holding the information for any official purpose it may serve
(which may well be NIL), leaving the driving licence clear of it.
Shamen
">> Hey all
>
>> I brought up a discussion a few months ago regarding a Dr10 on my license
>> and getting a driving job. Thanks for everyone who gave me the excellent
>> advice/links before but I need some more help. I will run through this
>> for anyone who missed that post.
>
>> I was convicted of drink driving in 1998, I have not drove up until now.
>> I recently applied to get my license back, which I have now, an
>> endorsement DR10 was put on it. I have applied for many driving jobs but
>> have not had much success because of the endorsement. As far as I
>> know(now) A conviction for drink driving is spent after 5 years under the
>> Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 but it remains on the license for a
>> Only)) My mistake
>
> You have my sympathies. This ten-year "rehabilitation period" is bull. It
> serves no purpose other than to further punish the citizen by souring his
> relationship with actual and potential employers and insurance companies -
> and thereby possibly costing him money. If the endorsement has no legal
> effect beyond the end of the four years of its currency (which I
> generously assume starts after the regaining of the licence), it is
> outrageous that the licence should still carry it. The DVLC and the PNC
> are perfectly capable of holding the information for any official purpose
> it may serve (which may well be NIL), leaving the driving licence clear of
> it.
This is exactly what I think, it is actually 5 years rehabilitation period
for a Dr offence and my mistake it stays on for Reference purposes only.
endorsement start from date of offece, unless anyone can correct me.
Cheers
Steve Firth
> the Dr10 isn't "points" your conviction is spent, you do not have to
> declare spent convictions. you told them of the Dr10, that was a
> mistake. you ought to have kept schtumm, as is your right, and then
> played the discrimination card if they had accepted you for the job
> only to subsequently reject you for the Dr10
>
> your fault, really. better luck with the next application.
How does he get a job involving driving without showing his driving
licence?
Perhaps you should engage your brain before mouthing off? Although this is
a forlorn hope because history proves that it will never happen.
DanTXD
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Not much you can do this time - maybe get back to them and explain the
situation? But as it's a spent conviction, I wouldn't tell them next
time...
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DanTXD
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P.s. - And when you actually get to show them your licence just point out
that the DR10 is no longer applicable to their insurance.
Shamen
I thought about not telling them, I'm an honest person and hate keeping
things back, besides I would have thought a prospective employer would
admire someone honest enough to mention a offence in the first instance
rather than hold something back. I dont know.
.
you do now ;-)
Shamen
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Yep, thanks
Conor
> P.s. - And when you actually get to show them your licence just point out
> that the DR10 is no longer applicable to their insurance.
>
Ah... Ummm... I don't think we can employ you. Sorry for wasting your
time. Good Day.
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An idea would be to contact his MP. That might not fix it but at least it
would bring it to his/her attention.
McK.
SteveH
> > Not much you can do this time - maybe get back to them and explain the
> > situation? But as it's a spent conviction, I wouldn't tell them next
> > time...
> >
>
> P.s. - And when you actually get to show them your licence just point out
> that the DR10 is no longer applicable to their insurance.
Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
driving a company vehicle.
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Dr Zoidberg
> DanTXD <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> Not much you can do this time - maybe get back to them and explain
>>> the situation? But as it's a spent conviction, I wouldn't tell
>>> them next time...
>>>
>>
>> P.s. - And when you actually get to show them your licence just
>> point out that the DR10 is no longer applicable to their insurance.
>
> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
> anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
> rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
> driving a company vehicle.
I can understand that , but would there come a point at which it was so far
back in history that it's not relevent any more
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SteveH
> > Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
> > anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
> > rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
> > driving a company vehicle.
>
> I can understand that , but would there come a point at which it was so far
> back in history that it's not relevent any more
Well, yes, but that's at the point where the DVLA say it can be removed
from the license. Whilst it's still showing on the license, I wouldn't
employ.
Dr Zoidberg
> Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
>>> anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
>>> rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
>>> driving a company vehicle.
>>
>> I can understand that , but would there come a point at which it was
>> so far back in history that it's not relevent any more
>
> Well, yes, but that's at the point where the DVLA say it can be
> removed from the license. Whilst it's still showing on the license, I
> wouldn't employ.
And I suppose that drivers aren't in short supply so there will always be
one with a clear licence applying as well
SteveH
> > Well, yes, but that's at the point where the DVLA say it can be
> > removed from the license. Whilst it's still showing on the license, I
> > wouldn't employ.
>
> And I suppose that drivers aren't in short supply so there will always be
> one with a clear licence applying as well
I've never really had many issues employing people to deliver food in a
Transit.
Tim S Kemp
> DanTXD <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> Not much you can do this time - maybe get back to them and explain
>>> the situation? But as it's a spent conviction, I wouldn't tell
>>> them next time...
>>>
>>
>> P.s. - And when you actually get to show them your licence just
>> point out that the DR10 is no longer applicable to their insurance.
>
> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
> anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
> rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
> driving a company vehicle.
If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
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with the pestle has the brew that is true.
SteveH
> > Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
> > anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
> > rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
> > driving a company vehicle.
>
> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
Yes, and?
Tim S Kemp
> Tim S Kemp <ne...@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
>>> anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
>>> rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
>>> driving a company vehicle.
>>
>> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
>
> Yes, and?
leaving yourself / company open to being sued for discrimination.
SteveH
> SteveH <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote:
> > Tim S Kemp <ne...@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
> >>> anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
> >>> rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
> >>> driving a company vehicle.
> >>
> >> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
> >
> > Yes, and?
>
> leaving yourself / company open to being sued for discrimination.
I know enough to cover myself on that one.
Always keep full notes of your screening and interview process. Find
another reason to reject the application.
Tim S Kemp
> Tim S Kemp <ne...@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> SteveH <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Tim S Kemp <ne...@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers,
>>>>> if anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been
>>>>> instantly rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone
>>>>> with a DR10 was driving a company vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
>>>
>>> Yes, and?
>>
>> leaving yourself / company open to being sued for discrimination.
>
> I know enough to cover myself on that one.
>
> Always keep full notes of your screening and interview process. Find
> another reason to reject the application.
Oh indeed, but be prepared to be reamed at the tribunal.
PC Paul
> SteveH <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote:
>> Tim S Kemp <ne...@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> SteveH <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Tim S Kemp <ne...@timkemp.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers,
>>>>>> if anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been
>>>>>> instantly rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone
>>>>>> with a DR10 was driving a company vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and?
>>>
>>> leaving yourself / company open to being sued for discrimination.
>>
>> I know enough to cover myself on that one.
>>
>> Always keep full notes of your screening and interview process. Find
>> another reason to reject the application.
>
> Oh indeed, but be prepared to be reamed at the tribunal.
I suspect it's like when the Police want to pull a car over. There's always
*something* they can find to justify it if they look long and hard enough.
And isn't it 11 years for drink driving offences to come off the licence?
SteveH
> > Oh indeed, but be prepared to be reamed at the tribunal.
>
> I suspect it's like when the Police want to pull a car over. There's always
> *something* they can find to justify it if they look long and hard enough.
*ding*
> And isn't it 11 years for drink driving offences to come off the licence?
*ding, ding*
Tim S Kemp
> I suspect it's like when the Police want to pull a car over. There's
> always *something* they can find to justify it if they look long and
> hard enough.
DWB - driving while black.
> And isn't it 11 years for drink driving offences to come off the
> licence?
It is, however the offence is spent after 5 yrs (rehabilitation of
offenders) and stays on the license for purposes of sentencing in case of
reoffence. So for the purposes of anything other than being sentenced for
drink driving you can not be penalised for the DR10 after 5 yrs.
.
> PC Paul <u...@bitrot.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I suspect it's like when the Police want to pull a car over. There's
>> always *something* they can find to justify it if they look long and
>> hard enough.
>
> DWB - driving while black.
>
>> And isn't it 11 years for drink driving offences to come off the
>> licence?
>
> It is, however the offence is spent after 5 yrs (rehabilitation of
> offenders) and stays on the license for purposes of sentencing in
> case of reoffence. So for the purposes of anything other than being
> sentenced for drink driving you can not be penalised for the DR10
> after 5 yrs.
which makes steveH a lying decietful cunt of the 1st water and
if he will lie (break the law and admit it ) to deny someone a job
he'll lie and say he hasn't fucked his own sister, daughter, cat
dog, rabbit etc. so everything he says after this post is suspect.
Conor
> SteveH wrote:
> > Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
> >>> anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
> >>> rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
> >>> driving a company vehicle.
> >>
> >> I can understand that , but would there come a point at which it was
> >> so far back in history that it's not relevent any more
> >
> > Well, yes, but that's at the point where the DVLA say it can be
> > removed from the license. Whilst it's still showing on the license, I
> > wouldn't employ.
>
> And I suppose that drivers aren't in short supply so there will always be
> one with a clear licence applying as well
>
Conor
> SteveH <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote:
> > DanTXD <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >>> Not much you can do this time - maybe get back to them and explain
> >>> the situation? But as it's a spent conviction, I wouldn't tell
> >>> them next time...
> >>>
> >>
> >> P.s. - And when you actually get to show them your licence just
> >> point out that the DR10 is no longer applicable to their insurance.
> >
> > Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
> > anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
> > rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
> > driving a company vehicle.
>
> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
>
and applying for a job in a laboratory.
Conor
> PC Paul <u...@bitrot.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I suspect it's like when the Police want to pull a car over. There's
> > always *something* they can find to justify it if they look long and
> > hard enough.
>
> DWB - driving while black.
>
> > And isn't it 11 years for drink driving offences to come off the
> > licence?
>
> It is, however the offence is spent after 5 yrs (rehabilitation of
> offenders) and stays on the license for purposes of sentencing in case of
> reoffence. So for the purposes of anything other than being sentenced for
> drink driving you can not be penalised for the DR10 after 5 yrs.
>
points on his licence and no DR/DD codes then showing a DR10, he's
going to have that isn't he?
OG
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In article <TOOdnQTMnvA...@eclipse.net.uk>, Tim S Kemp says...
> PC Paul <u...@bitrot.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I suspect it's like when the Police want to pull a car over. There's
> > always *something* they can find to justify it if they look long and
> > hard enough.
>
> DWB - driving while black.
>
> > And isn't it 11 years for drink driving offences to come off the
> > licence?
>
> It is, however the offence is spent after 5 yrs (rehabilitation of
> offenders) and stays on the license for purposes of sentencing in case of
> reoffence. So for the purposes of anything other than being sentenced for
> drink driving you can not be penalised for the DR10 after 5 yrs.
>
The conviction may be spent but if the advert stipulates no more than 6
points on his licence and no DR/DD codes then showing a DR10, he's
going to have that isn't he?
The whole idea of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act is to allow
'criminals' back into 'society'.
The code remains on the license for 11 years, but it is 'spent' and not
required to report it after 5 - and I'm pretty sure its not fraudulent to
claim a clean licence after 5 years. I'm not sure it's allowed for anyone
(other than police/courts) to take any account of spent convictions - so
advertising 'no DD/DR codes' probably wouldn't be legal in the first place.
OG
>
No he isn't. It's no different to having a GCSE grade U in Chemistry
and applying for a job in a laboratory.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wrong wrong wrong - after a punishment is spent it is spent.
I assume you're only posting because you're on commission
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Shamen
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The thing is, If I fail to mention a dr10 on the application form isn't this
enough grounds to refuse someone a job? if you phone up regarding a job, you
are always asked, have you a clean license? It would be different if the
question was, do you have any convictions in tghe last 5 years. I think the
question asked by employers should be, 'have you had your license endorsed
in the last 5 years?' To me it does feel like I am being unjustly
disciminated against.
.
No
> if you phone up
> regarding a job, you are always asked, have you a clean license?
You DO
> It would be different if the question was, do you have any convictions
> in tghe last 5 years.
same thing
> I think the question asked by employers should
> be, 'have you had your license endorsed in the last 5 years?' To me
> it does feel like I am being unjustly disciminated against.
you are, thems the breaks. you have to play it to your advantage and
hope you bump up against a boss with a DR conviction, there /are/
hundreds of them out there.
good luck, but you could always go _self employed_, you wouldn't have to
"lie" to the insurance company and you get all the money you work for.
Conor
>
> "Conor" <conor....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
> >
> No he isn't. It's no different to having a GCSE grade U in Chemistry
> and applying for a job in a laboratory.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Wrong wrong wrong - after a punishment is spent it is spent.
>
sees it on your licence does it? Subconciously, it'll always affect a
decision making process as to who gets the job.
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> The thing is, If I fail to mention a dr10 on the application form isn't this
> enough grounds to refuse someone a job?
Not if it's spent.
> if you phone up regarding a job, you
> are always asked, have you a clean license? It would be different if the
> question was, do you have any convictions in tghe last 5 years.
I agree.
> I think the
> question asked by employers should be, 'have you had your license endorsed
> in the last 5 years?' To me it does feel like I am being unjustly
> disciminated against.
>
A prospective employer will always do that, even if only subconciously,
as long as (s)he can see that DR10 code.
.
> In article <4nra7aF...@individual.net>, OG says...
>>
>> "Conor" <conor....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
>>>
>> No he isn't. It's no different to having a GCSE grade U in Chemistry
>> and applying for a job in a laboratory.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Wrong wrong wrong - after a punishment is spent it is spent.
>>
> So what? Doesn't prevent the interviewer having a biased view when he
> sees it on your licence does it? Subconciously, it'll always affect a
> decision making process as to who gets the job.
sadly true, IME. I've even done it to someone; declined to give him a
job because of DD conviction but in this case it was his second (spent)
conviction and we were doing late nights, bars and night clubs. too risky.
Shamen
I was thinking of going self employed, need a job to get myself some money,
to get a van and get insurance first.
Cheers
.
it's not as expensive as you might imagine. vans are available
from £80 per week and top of the range insurance from about
£100 per month. the main expenses owner driver startups find
the most crippling are fuel (until invoices are settled) and the
fact that most companies settle invoices 14, 30 or even 60 days
from the end of the month or presentation of the invoice.
what were you planning to do ?
Shamen
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Not sure really, my original plan was to get a job for a courier company, Ie
citlylink etc. I am alway seeing a local firm advertising for owner van
drivers, I know this is courier work but have not looked into it in great
detail. Also I was thinking of applying for the buses but as they will
train me up with a psv license but after trying all the other driving jobs,
I'm not sure if they will want me either.
.
bus driving ? hardly owner driver, is it ? blag a job and get some
experience behind you. do you have a 7.5t licence ? driving
commercially is a lot different to pleasure driving and the less
contact you have with joe public the better. good luck.
Shamen
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there is a endless supply of driving jobs in my area and last resort maybe
work on the buses.
Adrian
> bus driving ? hardly owner driver, is it ?
According to a conversation I was having with the MD of a fairly successful
local coach company the other week, most National Express coaches are
franchised, with many being owner/driver...
.
there's always an exception to the rule.
Steve Firth
> most National Express coaches are
> franchised, with many being owner/driver...
Which is why you see so many of them flyparked (usually in council car
parks after 7pm or on car parks or waste ground on industrial estates and
also in lay-bys) or even parked in the middle of "village greens" on
council estates.
Christian McArdle
> this enough grounds to refuse someone a job?
Nope. You are legally permitted to lie in most cases. (There are exceptions,
such as some professions, national security, working with children).
Christian.
Brimstone
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Quite. The exception being that National Express isn't a coach company, it's
a bus (stage carriage) company.
Conor
> Also I was thinking of applying for the buses but as they will
> train me up with a psv license but after trying all the other driving jobs,
> I'm not sure if they will want me either.
>
Actually it isn't that simple. Unlike a car licence, a provisional HGV
or PSV isn't just given to you when you apply. Because you've got a
DR10, the chances are your application will go before the local Traffic
Commissioner for your area who will decide whether they think you're of
sufficient repute to have a provisional.
Even once you get the provisional, it is highly unlikely you'll find a
company to take you on as they're very funny about people with more
than 3 points and a DD/DR is a very big no-no, spent or not.
Conor
> Yeah I have 7.5 tonne license, the thing is I am unemployed and need money ,
> there is a endless supply of driving jobs in my area and last resort maybe
> work on the buses.
>
Don't bet on being able to get a provisional with a DR conviction.
Ian
Shamen wrote:
> To me it does feel like I am being unjustly
> disciminated against.
You drove while drunk. Count yourself lucky that society lets you drive
at all - you'd have a lost a pilot's licence for life.
Ian
Ian
Shamen wrote:
> To me it does feel like I am being unjustly
> disciminated against.
You drove while drunk. Count yourself lucky that society lets you drive
sarah
In article <zoaSg.30623$0i4...@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>, Shamen says...
> Also I was thinking of applying for the buses but as they will
> train me up with a psv license but after trying all the other driving
jobs,
> I'm not sure if they will want me either.
>
Actually it isn't that simple. Unlike a car licence, a provisional HGV
or PSV isn't just given to you when you apply. Because you've got a
DR10, the chances are your application will go before the local Traffic
Commissioner for your area who will decide whether they think you're of
sufficient repute to have a provisional.
Even once you get the provisional, it is highly unlikely you'll find a
company to take you on as they're very funny about people with more
than 3 points and a DD/DR is a very big no-no, spent or not.
--
Conor
Down in London training is fully subsidised by london transport, the only
terms you must stay with them for a year.
Conor
says...
>
> Down in London training is fully subsidised by london transport, the only
> terms you must stay with them for a year.
So what? Still doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get a provisional
licence and it still doesn't guarantee you'll get training from them.
Adrian
> Down in London training is fully subsidised by london transport, the only
> terms you must stay with them for a year.
London Transport doesn't exist, and hasn't for many years.
Brimstone
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You think that's bad, I recently had a letter from a government body that
still directed the reader to "British Rail" for travel info.
Shamen
"Christian McArdle" <cmcar...@nospam.yahooxxxx.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks, thats what I intend to do now.
Wayne
Shamen
"Ian" <ian.g...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I was caught the morning after, which is different, I never ever in my life
took my car to the pub and then drove. The annoying thing is I know of
people who drink and drive all the time, I mean they have 5/6 pints in the
pub and then drive, even my own father has a couple and drives, but if he
got breathalyzed that would probably be enough to put him over the limit. A
lot of people don't realise about driving the morning after and how at risk
they are. I agree with losing your pilots license for life, flying a plane
while drinking is even more stupid than drink driving, if you crash that
plane it could mean absolute carnage, especially a passenger plane. I also
agree with a life ban on anyone involved in say bus driving getting caught
DD, where passengers are involved, or train drivers. I was stupid to have
drove when I did, I made a stupid mistake, I hold my hand up to that but to
say I shouldn't be given a second chance is wrong, I could uinderstand as
well if I had had an accident and seriously injure or killed someone, but I
DIDN'T. Criminals are given a clean slate so why not me or are you one of
those pilots that has lost their license and is bitter? Sonds about right to
me.
Wayne
Tim S Kemp
>>
>>> I suspect it's like when the Police want to pull a car over. There's
>>> always *something* they can find to justify it if they look long and
>>> hard enough.
>>
>> DWB - driving while black.
>>
>>> And isn't it 11 years for drink driving offences to come off the
>>> licence?
>>
>> It is, however the offence is spent after 5 yrs (rehabilitation of
>> offenders) and stays on the license for purposes of sentencing in
>> case of reoffence. So for the purposes of anything other than being
>> sentenced for drink driving you can not be penalised for the DR10
>> after 5 yrs.
>>
> The conviction may be spent but if the advert stipulates no more than
> 6 points on his licence and no DR/DD codes then showing a DR10, he's
> going to have that isn't he?
Except the advert is then illegal.
--
The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon; the vessel
with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Tim S Kemp
> In article <Ibmdna79q-T...@eclipse.net.uk>, Tim S Kemp says...
>> SteveH <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote:
>>> DanTXD <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Not much you can do this time - maybe get back to them and explain
>>>>> the situation? But as it's a spent conviction, I wouldn't tell
>>>>> them next time...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.s. - And when you actually get to show them your licence just
>>>> point out that the DR10 is no longer applicable to their insurance.
>>>
>>> Having been in the position where I've needed to employ drivers, if
>>> anyone had a DR10 on their license, they would have been instantly
>>> rejected. I certainly wouldn't be happy that someone with a DR10 was
>>> driving a company vehicle.
>>
>> If it's over 5 years ago you're breaking the law by doing that.
>>
> No he isn't. It's no different to having a GCSE grade U in Chemistry
> and applying for a job in a laboratory.
Yes he is.
Christian McArdle
>> exceptions, such as some professions, national security, working with
>> children).
>
Do check that they are not exempt, though. For example, a bus or coach
driver might possibly not have the protection of the Rehabilitation of
Offenders Act, as they might be in sole charge of the children carried.
Christian.
Shamen
> Except the advert is then illegal.
In the letter I received it states "we cannot accept any candidates with
more than 3 points or a DR Offence on their license" due to insurance
reasons. Is this illegal? I am thinking of writing to them or consulting
CAB to see where I stand.
Wayne
Tim S Kemp
or got a job with BA...
Tim S Kemp
It is illegal (and cases have been presented) for insurers to penalise
offences over 5 yrs old. Try the finance ombudsman's website for more info.
Ian
> > You drove while drunk. Count yourself lucky that society lets you drive
> > at all - you'd have a lost a pilot's licence for life.
> I was caught the morning after, which is different, ... I was stupid to have
> drove when I did, I made a stupid mistake, I hold my hand up to that but to
> say I shouldn't be given a second chance is wrong...
I respect your honesty here. However, I think you'd probably just
resign yourself to not getting a driving job while anyone can find out
about your DR10, whatever the law says.
Ian
Adrian
were saying :
> I was caught the morning after, which is different
No, it isn't.
You drank then drove whilst still under the affluence of incahol.
The only difference is that people don't tend to realise that they're often
still pissed the next day.
And, yes, there but for the grace etc go many of us. Including me.
Just don't try to justify it by claiming it's different. It isn't.
Shamen
How would I do that?
Wayne
Shamen
Alright its the same, but it does annoy me seeing people blatantly doing it
after coming out of the pub, these people have been doing it for years and
haven't been caught, this I have never done.
David Taylor
God, you seem pathetic.
--
David Taylor
Christian McArdle
>> driver might possibly not have the protection of the Rehabilitation of
>> Offenders Act, as they might be in sole charge of the children carried.
>
They should tell you. It would probably be written on the form somewhere,
although some employers write it even if they're not exempt.
Christian.
Conor
Kemp says...
> Shamen <NOS...@USELESS.COM> wrote:
> >> Except the advert is then illegal.
> >
> > In the letter I received it states "we cannot accept any candidates
> > with more than 3 points or a DR Offence on their license" due to
> > insurance reasons. Is this illegal? I am thinking of writing to
> > them or consulting CAB to see where I stand.
>
> It is illegal (and cases have been presented) for insurers to penalise
> offences over 5 yrs old. Try the finance ombudsman's website for more info.
>
Knight Of The Road
"." <--@.com> wrote
> which makes steveH a lying decietful cunt of the 1st water and
> if he will lie (break the law and admit it ) to deny someone a job
> he'll lie and say he hasn't fucked his own sister, daughter,
Having sex with minors seems to be a fairly regular theme to your posts- is
there some reason for this? Is there something you would like to unburden
yourself of?
--
Regards, Vince.
www.TruckDrivingInRussia.co.uk
Ian
I'm Ian, not God. Though in a poor light we are often confused. I do
less smiting, though.
Regards,
Go^h^hIan
David Taylor
I find it unlikely that God would tell people "simply resign yourself
to not getting a driving job [due to an expired DR10]", when he
explicitly has the right _NOT_ to be discriminated against on that
basis.
--
David Taylor
Shamen
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"David Taylor" <david...@yadt.co.uk> wrote in message
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I have just contacted my local mp who has written to Dr Stephen Ladyman MP,
minister of state, department for transport, he says he will be in touch.
Its worth a bash.
Thanks for the views guys
Wayne
Shamen
It states "ALL candidates must have no more than 3 penalty points on there
licence, no criminal or driving convictions and held there licence for at
least 1 calendar year. This is a very customer service related position"
What do you guys reckon?
Wayne
Brimstone
Shamen <NOS...@USELESS.COM> spake thusly:
Give it a go, nothing ventured etc. No point in putting up barriers
yourself. They can only say "No".
Shamen
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"Brimstone" <brim...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah, I know, its just kinda knocked my confidence a bit for even trying
now.
Thanks
Brimstone
Shamen <NOS...@USELESS.COM> spake thusly:
I know the feeling, I've been getting knocked for over ten years for a
variety of jobs.
JNugent
Is it for a job in the public sector (or in a sensitive position, like
working with children or "vulnerable" adults)?
If not, you can forget the bit about "no criminal or driving convictions",
due to the (very proper) working of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.