Synthetic engine oil?
Bod
benefits are there other than not having to change the oil so often,
or is that the only gain?
I was advised to use synthetic, even though it is much more expensive.
Bod
Silk
Google is your friend here, but briefly, synthetic oil is better.
Bod
Bod
Adrian
saying:
> I always insist on fully synthetic oil for my oil changes, but what
> benefits are there other than not having to change the oil so often, or
> is that the only gain?
As well as longevity, it's more stable across a wider range of
temperature, and resists sludging better.
> I was advised to use synthetic, even though it is much more expensive.
I only ever buy full synth, too - and pay a little over £3/litre, for a
reputable brand.
What car, what age, what use, do you give a toss about the long-term life
or are you planning on chopping it in at an earlier stage of it's life?
Bod
Just want to use the best oil that I can get for my car, that's all.
Bod
Adrian
saying:
>>> I was advised to use synthetic, even though it is much more expensive.
>> I only ever buy full synth, too - and pay a little over £3/litre, for a
>> reputable brand.
>>
>> What car, what age, what use, do you give a toss about the long-term
>> life or are you planning on chopping it in at an earlier stage of it's
>> life?
> Just want to use the best oil that I can get for my car, that's all.
Ah. In that case, you probably want to be buying some of the £25+/litre
stuff.
Everything in life is a compromise.
Bod
My last oil change, I paid £33 ish for a gallon, I purchased it from a
mechanics trade place or something (brother in law worked for the AA and
got it for me).
Bod
Adrian
saying:
> My last oil change, I paid £33 ish for a gallon
I bet you didn't.
Conor
Wife had a BMW 525 that'd been on 0W/30 fully synthetic since new. At
190,000 miles it was completely silent, completely clean inside and
never burned a drop of oil.
Make of that what you will.
--
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
Bod
Adrian
saying:
>>> My last oil change, I paid £33 ish for a gallon
>> I bet you didn't.
> No?
No.
> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?
storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&partNumber=176503&langId=-1
Yup, I was right.
Conor
> No?
>
> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&partNumber=176503&langId=-1
>
> Bod
API: SL CF
SL isn't the best (SM is) and is for older cars with petrol engines and
CF, introduced in 1994, is the lowest grade available for diesels now
that CE has been discontinued and is 6th from the top spec.
Looks like you bought into the whole Halfords marketing bollox.
Conor
>
> >> I bet you didn't.
>
> > No?
>
> No.
>
> > http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?
> storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&partNumber=176503&langId=-1
>
> Yup, I was right.
He probably did but for ￜ10 grade oil.
Adrian
saying:
>> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?
storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&partNumber=176503&langId=-1
> SL isn't the best (SM is) and is for older cars with petrol engines and
> CF, introduced in 1994, is the lowest grade available for diesels now
> that CE has been discontinued and is 6th from the top spec.
Not even particularly cheap, either - considering it's "own-brand".
> Looks like you bought into the whole Halfords marketing bollox.
Quelle surprise.
Adrian
saying:
>> >>> My last oil change, I paid £33 ish for a gallon
>> >> I bet you didn't.
>> > No?
>> No.
>> > http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?
>> storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&partNumber=176503&langId=-1
>> Yup, I was right.
> He probably did but for £10 grade oil.
Nah, that link isn't to a "gallon".
Bod
> In article <7rehab...@mid.individual.net>, Adrian says...
>> Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>> saying:
>>
>>>>> My last oil change, I paid ￜ33 ish for a gallon
>>>> I bet you didn't.
>>> No?
>> No.
>>
>>> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?
>> storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&partNumber=176503&langId=-1
>>
>> Yup, I was right.
>
> He probably did but for ￜ10 grade oil.
>
>
And this:
Bod
Adrian
saying:
> And this:
>
> http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-754-castrol-magnatec-5w-30-synthetically-
engineered-engine-oil-recommended-by-ford.aspx#productDetails
Yup, that's where I buy oil.
£60-odd for 20l last time.
Bod
So why are you saying that I didn't pay £33 from the trade for a gallon
of Magnatec?
Bod
Adrian
saying:
> So why are you saying that I didn't pay £33 from the trade for a gallon
> of Magnatec?
Because you didn't.
I very much doubt you could buy a gallon of oil anywhere in the UK,
unless it was a specialist product.
Bod
>>
. I have the bill and I know what I paid. Ill dig it out.
Bod
Adrian
Don't forget to have a look at the bottle, where it says how much is in
it.
Bod
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-754-castrol-magnatec-5w-30-synthetically-engineered-engine-oil-recommended-by-ford.aspx#productDetails
Bod
Adrian
saying:
>>>>> So why are you saying that I didn't pay £33 from the trade for a
>>>>> gallon of Magnatec?
>>>> Because you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> I very much doubt you could buy a gallon of oil anywhere in the UK,
>>>> unless it was a specialist product.
>>> . I have the bill and I know what I paid. Ill dig it out.
>> Don't forget to have a look at the bottle, where it says how much is in
>> it.
> Why don't you believe this link though?
I do.
> It states the quantity.
Indeed it does. And that quantity is not a gallon.
Bod
>
>
All I know is, that I paid about £33 for 5 litres.
If you're still convinced that I should have paid £25 per litre, then
that's up to you.
Per litre for Magnatec on that site, it was nearer £8 ish per litre, if you
bought the 4 litre container,inc vat.
Bod
Adrian
saying:
>>> It states the quantity.
>> Indeed it does. And that quantity is not a gallon.
> All I know is, that I paid about £33 for 5 litres.
Apology accepted.
Bod
What are you talking about?
Bod
Adrian
>>>>> It states the quantity.
>> Apology accepted.
If you bought a bottle of synthetic oil that said "One gallon" on it,
today, how much would be in it?
Brimstone
"Bod" <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7rejkn...@mid.individual.net...
I suspect he might be referring to your inability to distinguish between
Imperial and Metric units of measure.
Bod
You're being plain silly now.
I pointed you to a site that sells Castrol Magnatec in 4 litre
containers for £29, that worked out at under £8 per litre. You said that
I didn't pay about £8 per litre but it would cost me about £25 per litre.
I needed 5 litres to cover the oil needed for my car, which was 1
gallon(approx 4.5litres).
Bod
Adrian
saying:
>> If you bought a bottle of synthetic oil that said "One gallon" on it,
>> today, how much would be in it?
> You're being plain silly now.
Am I? How about you answer the question? In litres.
> I pointed you to a site that sells Castrol Magnatec in 4 litre
> containers for £29, that worked out at under £8 per litre. You said that
> I didn't pay about £8 per litre but it would cost me about £25 per
> litre.
No, I didn't.
I said that you hadn't bought a gallon. Which you didn't. I didn't doubt
the price - especially since it was nearly three times what I said I paid
last time. Oh, and you only linked to Halfrauds, then Opie, after I'd
doubted your statement.
> I needed 5 litres to cover the oil needed for my car, which was 1
> gallon(approx 4.5litres).
So if you bought a bottle of synthetic oil that said "One gallon" on it,
you'd expect it to contain 4.5 litres? Is that your answer?
Bod
to pay £25 per litre, I only needed 4.5 litres approx(1 gallon) but had
to buy a 5 litre container, obviously and that works out at about 8 or
£9 pound a litre.
Bod
Bod
Do you stick by your £25 per litre still?
Bod
Bod
is equivalent to approx 4.5 litres.
Bod
Bod
So what is the oil you were on about then in this statement?:
Ah. In that case, you probably want to be buying some of the £25+/litre
stuff.
Bod
Bod
> way you would be in the USA or elsewhere in that country's economic area.
>
> http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_GTX-10W-30-Conventional-Motor-Oil-%281-Gallon%29-Castrol_8020010-P_N3253C_T|GRP2046____
>
> Tony
>
>
And how many 'noggins' or 'gills' would equal 1 gallon? :-)
Bod
OG
Because he's being eristic.
You did pay �33 for a gallon of oil and you got 0.45 litres on top of your
gallon for free.
Mr. Benn
> I always insist on fully synthetic oil for my oil changes, but what
> benefits are there other than not having to change the oil so often,
> or is that the only gain?
> I was advised to use synthetic, even though it is much more expensive.
>
> Bod
Adrian will be along in a minute telling you not to be so stupid for not
looking it up yourself!
Mr. Benn
news:7reavc...@mid.individual.net:
> Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
>
>> I always insist on fully synthetic oil for my oil changes, but what
>> benefits are there other than not having to change the oil so often,
>> or is that the only gain?
>
> As well as longevity, it's more stable across a wider range of
> temperature, and resists sludging better.
>
>> I was advised to use synthetic, even though it is much more
>> expensive.
>
> I only ever buy full synth, too - and pay a little over £3/litre, for
> a reputable brand.
Fully synthetic for my car costs �31 per 5 litres and that is the cheapest
I could find it. It's �43 for 4 litres in Halfords.
Which oil is it?
Are you sure it's not semi-synthetic?
Mr. Benn
news:7rejkn...@mid.individual.net:
You are dealing with a professional pedant Bod.
Bod
Yes, it's definitely Fully.
Bod
Bod
Yes. I know.
Bod
Ian Dalziel
wrote:
> he said I would have had to pay �25 per litre
When did he say that?
--
Ian D
Bod
Earlier, but perhaps he was talking about another type of oil but he
didn't mention specifics. Maybe there's been a misunderstanding.
Bod
Adrian
saying:
>>> What are you talking about?
>> I suspect he might be referring to your inability to distinguish
>> between Imperial and Metric units of measure.
> That's not the point Adrian was arguing about
Yes, it is.
> he said I would have had to pay £25 per litre
That was a separate issue, in response to you saying you wanted the very
best oil you could get for your car.
Ian Dalziel
wrote:
>Bod wrote:
>> Bod wrote:
>>> Adrian wrote:
>>>> Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>>>> were
>>>> saying:
>>>>
>>>>>> If you bought a bottle of synthetic oil that said "One gallon" on it,
>>>>>> today, how much would be in it?
>>>>
>>>>> You're being plain silly now.
>>>>
>>>> Am I? How about you answer the question? In litres.
>>>>
>>>>> I pointed you to a site that sells Castrol Magnatec in 4 litre
>>>>> containers for �ｿｽ29, that worked out at under �ｿｽ8 per litre. You said
>>>>> that
>>>>> I didn't pay about �ｿｽ8 per litre but it would cost me about �ｿｽ25 per
>>>>> litre.
>>>>
>>>> No, I didn't.
>>>>
>>>> I said that you hadn't bought a gallon. Which you didn't. I didn't
>>>> doubt the price - especially since it was nearly three times what I
>>>> said I paid last time. Oh, and you only linked to Halfrauds, then
>>>> Opie, after I'd doubted your statement.
>>>>
>>>>> I needed 5 litres to cover the oil needed for my car, which was 1
>>>>> gallon(approx 4.5litres).
>>>>
>>>> So if you bought a bottle of synthetic oil that said "One gallon" on
>>>> it, you'd expect it to contain 4.5 litres? Is that your answer?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 8 pints.
>>> Do you stick by your �ｿｽ25 per litre still?
>>>
>>> Bod
>> >
>> >
>> Sorry, I didn't realise that you didn't know that 1 gallon(8 pints) is
>> equivalent to approx 4.5 litres.
>>
>> Bod
>
>So what is the oil you were on about then in this statement?:
>
>Ah. In that case, you probably want to be buying some of the �ｿｽ25+/litre
>stuff.
>
In response to " Just want to use the best oil that I can get for my
car"
That'll be from Halfords, then?
--
Ian D
Adrian
saying:
> Maybe there's been a misunderstanding.
How likely's that, eh?
Adrian
saying:
> Sorry, I didn't realise that you didn't know that 1 gallon(8 pints)
> is equivalent to approx 4.5 litres.
If you were to buy a bottle of synthetic oil that said "One gallon" on
it, you wouldn't get 4.5 litres in it. You'd be 0.7 litres short.
See if you can guess why.
Adrian
like they were saying:
>> If you bought a bottle of synthetic oil that said "One gallon" on it,
>> today, how much would be in it?
> Around 3.78 litres, because if motor oil was legally marked and sold
> that way you would be in the USA or elsewhere in that country's economic
> area.
*ding*
Give that man a coconut that's been imported from the other side of the
Atlantic.
Adrian
were saying:
> Fully synthetic for my car costs £31 per 5 litres and that is the
> cheapest I could find it. It's £43 for 4 litres in Halfords.
>
> Which oil is it?
Fuchs Titan XTR
> Are you sure it's not semi-synthetic?
Yes. Bod already linked to the supplier.
£60-odd for 20 litres.
Adrian
they were saying:
>>So what is the oil you were on about then in this statement?:
>>
>>Ah. In that case, you probably want to be buying some of the £25+/litre
>>stuff.
> In response to " Just want to use the best oil that I can get for my
> car"
>
> That'll be from Halfords, then?
It certainly won't be their own-brand.
Bod
I've just checked the bill and it included the oil filter as well.
Bod
Bod
Bod
Adrian
saying:
> I've just checked the bill and it included the oil filter as well.
So not only did you get tucked up for the crappest "full synth" you can
buy, you bought one of their shit filters, too? A Halfrauds own-brand
filter is about the same price as an OEM filter.
I may need a battery for 'erselfs Pug soon. A very quick google and
random selection of site finds a Varta premium-quality battery for £15
less than Halfrauds very cheapest own-brand. Or half the price of the
Bosch equivalent Halfrauds also list.
A very quick google for the exact Bosch finds a supplier for £25 less
than Half.
Seriously, Bod. There's only _one_ thing worth buying at Halfrauds. And
that's their Pro range of tools. The rest is emergency-only.
Bod
I never said I bought the oil and filter from Halfords.
I did explain where I got it from earlier.
Bod
Adrian
saying:
>> Seriously, Bod. There's only _one_ thing worth buying at Halfrauds. And
>> that's their Pro range of tools. The rest is emergency-only.
> I never said I bought the oil and filter from Halfords.
Ah, OK.
> I did explain where I got it from earlier.
Yes, I thought that was what the Halfords link was... You know, the one
you produced to prove you had indeed paid £33 for "a gallon" of oil...?
Bod
If you can recall that I said I purchased it at a trade place that my
brother in law recommended.
The fully synthetic oil was the recommended Vauxhall oil for my car.
Bod
Conor
legally be sold as "One Gallon" if it is a US Gallon unless it states
"One US Gallon".
--
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
Nick Finnigan
>> of Magnatec?
>
> Because you didn't.
>
> I very much doubt you could buy a gallon of oil anywhere in the UK,
> unless it was a specialist product.
Comma sell 20w50 in 1 gallon packs. Not what I'd call specialist YMMV.
Silk
And Firth will be along to tell him he should have bought a proper car
that doesn't need oil.
Bod
LOL.
Bod
Nel
"Silk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:hivep3$hkd$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
.....interspersed with a fair amount of abuse.
Tim
Got a link for that? I think you'll find they're 5L packs.
Tim
Adrian
like they were saying:
>> Comma sell 20w50 in 1 gallon packs. Not what I'd call specialist YMMV.
> Got a link for that? I think you'll find they're 5L packs.
No, they're 4.5 litre packs. Still not a gallon, of course, but pretty
damn close to the metric equivalent...
Mike
>Conor <co...@gmx.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>saying:
>
>>> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?
>storeId=10001&catalogId=10151&partNumber=176503&langId=-1
>
>> SL isn't the best (SM is) and is for older cars with petrol engines and
>> CF, introduced in 1994, is the lowest grade available for diesels now
>> that CE has been discontinued and is 6th from the top spec.
>
>Not even particularly cheap, either - considering it's "own-brand".
It's made by Shell if I recall correctly from a conversation I had
with someone in the know a few years back (maybe Shell Helix Plus
which is also SL/CF?) But regardless of the 'poor' API ratings there
is nothing fundamentally wrong with it at least in a petrol engine.
However, at 35 quid it's getting very close to Mobil 1 territory,
hence I'd only consider the Halfrauds stuff if it were on special
offer - which it used to be quite regularly (BOGOF was quite common)
although in the past couple of years when I've popped in for something
else they never seem to have it reduced.
--
Mike
>Wife had a BMW 525 that'd been on 0W/30 fully synthetic since new. At
>190,000 miles it was completely silent, completely clean inside and
>never burned a drop of oil.
>
>Make of that what you will.
Well one thing is certain, it won't have been on 0W/30 fully synthetic
from ***new***
It could quite possibly have been on 0W/30 fully synthetic from the
first service though.
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