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Mortimer

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May 26, 2011, 6:52:09 PM5/26/11
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Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.

Does this concept make sense? Are the controls (eg clutch, brake,
gearchange) on opposite sides for motorbikes intended for LHD and RHD
countries, or are *all* motorbikes supplied with the controls the same way
round?

Bicycles for LHD countries often have the front and back brake levers on the
opposite handlebars (ie back brake is on right handlebar in an LHD
country) - maybe because there's greater risk braking with the front brake
when signalling to turn across the traffic with only one hand on the
handlebars, so they put the rear on the left when you are signalling to turn
right in RHD countries and on the right when signalling left in LHD
countries.

Mike G

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May 27, 2011, 1:43:20 AM5/27/11
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"Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.
>
> Does this concept make sense? Are the controls (eg clutch, brake,
> gearchange) on opposite sides for motorbikes intended for LHD and RHD
> countries, or are *all* motorbikes supplied with the controls the same way
> round?

Never heard the term used, but I do know that on older british m/cycles the
gear change was on the left and the footbrake on the right. H/bar clutch
lever on the left, front brake on right.
I think the japs decided to reverse the foot controls.
.
> Bicycles for LHD countries

Dunno anything about bycycles.
Mike.


Paul - xxx

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May 27, 2011, 2:38:02 AM5/27/11
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Mike G wrote:

>
> "Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:0JOdnfHg858-REPQ...@brightview.co.uk...
> > Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.
> >
> > Does this concept make sense? Are the controls (eg clutch, brake,
> > gearchange) on opposite sides for motorbikes intended for LHD and

> > RHD countries, or are all motorbikes supplied with the controls


> > the same way round?
>
> Never heard the term used, but I do know that on older british
> m/cycles the gear change was on the left and the footbrake on the
> right. H/bar clutch lever on the left, front brake on right. I think
> the japs decided to reverse the foot controls. .
> > Bicycles for LHD countries

Nope, convention is now for clutch and gears to be on the left hand
side, brake s on the right .. Old Brits had gears on the right and
brakes on the left with clutch on left handlebar ... ;)

There have been variations with foot clutches and hand gear-changes
years ago, but probably not since the 40's ish ...

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Mike Barnes

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May 27, 2011, 3:11:58 AM5/27/11
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Mortimer <m...@privacy.net>:

>Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.

Anything to do with sidecars?

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Zimmy

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May 27, 2011, 4:39:03 AM5/27/11
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Don't know about motorbikes, but in my LHD car the lights and wipers
stalks are on the opposite sides from the RHD model.

Z

The Other Mike

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May 27, 2011, 5:00:49 AM5/27/11
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On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:39:03 +0100, Zimmy <z@y.x> wrote:

>Don't know about motorbikes, but in my LHD car the lights and wipers
>stalks are on the opposite sides from the RHD model.

What car is that then?

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Andy

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May 27, 2011, 5:37:46 AM5/27/11
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Headlamp dip pattern?

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Mike G

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May 27, 2011, 12:53:58 PM5/27/11
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"Paul - xxx" <notchec...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike G wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:0JOdnfHg858-REPQ...@brightview.co.uk...
>> > Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.
>> >
>> > Does this concept make sense? Are the controls (eg clutch, brake,
>> > gearchange) on opposite sides for motorbikes intended for LHD and
>> > RHD countries, or are all motorbikes supplied with the controls
>> > the same way round?
>>
>> Never heard the term used, but I do know that on older british
>> m/cycles the gear change was on the left and the footbrake on the
>> right. H/bar clutch lever on the left, front brake on right. I think
>> the japs decided to reverse the foot controls. .
>> > Bicycles for LHD countries
>
> Nope, convention is now for clutch and gears to be on the left hand
> side, brake s on the right .. Old Brits had gears on the right and
> brakes on the left with clutch on left handlebar ... ;)

Of course. You are right. Dunno why I wrote that.
Most of my m/cycling experience comes from riding older british bikes.
Triumph, BSA,. Norton, and Velocette. All with right side g/change and left
side footbrake.

> There have been variations with foot clutches and hand gear-changes
> years ago, but probably not since the 40's ish

An old 30's Raleigh m/cycle I had once, had the gearchange lever on the
l/hand side of the tank.
Drip feed lubrication etc.A real antique that was. Should have kept it.
Probably would have been worth a few thousand today..
Mike.


Paul - xxx

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May 27, 2011, 1:26:52 PM5/27/11
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Mike G wrote:

>
> "Paul - xxx" <notchec...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:948v6a...@mid.individual.net...
> > Mike G wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > > news:0JOdnfHg858-REPQ...@brightview.co.uk...
> >>> Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.
> > > >
> >>> Does this concept make sense? Are the controls (eg clutch, brake,
> >>> gearchange) on opposite sides for motorbikes intended for LHD and
> >>> RHD countries, or are all motorbikes supplied with the controls
> >>> the same way round?
> > >
> > > Never heard the term used, but I do know that on older british
> > > m/cycles the gear change was on the left and the footbrake on the
> > > right. H/bar clutch lever on the left, front brake on right. I
> > > think the japs decided to reverse the foot controls. .
> >>> Bicycles for LHD countries
> >
> > Nope, convention is now for clutch and gears to be on the left hand
> > side, brake s on the right .. Old Brits had gears on the right and
> > brakes on the left with clutch on left handlebar ... ;)
>
> Of course. You are right. Dunno why I wrote that.
> Most of my m/cycling experience comes from riding older british
> bikes. Triumph, BSA,. Norton, and Velocette. All with right side
> g/change and left side footbrake.

No worries, we all get brain-farts occasionally .. ;)



> > There have been variations with foot clutches and hand gear-changes
> > years ago, but probably not since the 40's ish
>
> An old 30's Raleigh m/cycle I had once, had the gearchange lever on
> the l/hand side of the tank. Drip feed lubrication etc.A real
> antique that was. Should have kept it. Probably would have been worth
> a few thousand today.. Mike.

Heheh I've had a couple of hand gear-change bikes over the years but
never really liked any of 'em .. ;) I much prefer bikes that just work
.. ;)

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Harry Bloomfield

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May 27, 2011, 3:16:33 PM5/27/11
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Andy explained :
> Headlamp dip pattern?

I've never come across a bike where there was an L shaped dip pattern
to light the kerb, they just dip centrally.

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Andy

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May 27, 2011, 5:27:16 PM5/27/11
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On 27/05/2011 20:16, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> Andy explained :
>> Headlamp dip pattern?
>
> I've never come across a bike where there was an L shaped dip pattern to
> light the kerb, they just dip centrally.
>
I have owned older british bikes with headlights which could be adjusted
to change the cutoff to light the side of the road either to the left or
right. The lights were Cibie lights and were not original fitments.

Andy

Gio

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May 27, 2011, 6:49:28 PM5/27/11
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"Harry Bloomfield" <harry...@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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Back in the late 70's many Jap bikes -Suzuki and Honda had 'Stanley' o.e.
headlights with a cut off. I also fitted (as did quite a few owners),
replacement Halogen 7" car Hella or Wipac headlight units directly into
bikes original headlight unit. They were far brighter than the o.e. fitting.
When I went to France I remember had to blank the beam cut off and paint
yellow varnish type material onto the front lens after being stopped.

Gio

Gio


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May 28, 2011, 11:57:59 AM5/28/11
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"Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.
>
> Does this concept make sense? Are the controls (eg clutch, brake,
> gearchange) on opposite sides for motorbikes intended for LHD and RHD
> countries, or are *all* motorbikes supplied with the controls the same way
> round?
>
This.

Go to the continent and buy a new motorbike and it will have the controls in
exactly the same place as in the UK - ditto for the US.
There may be some differences in spec, but the basic machine is exactly the
same.
The only exception I can think of is for bikes with a sidecar which will
swap sides.
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Zimmy

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May 30, 2011, 4:17:32 AM5/30/11
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Its a Mazda RX 7. I know because I bought a RHD boost gauge mount that
replaces the top of the steering column cover and the slots for the
stalks were the other way round. :-(

Z

Mortimer

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May 30, 2011, 6:17:52 AM5/30/11
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"Zimmy" <z@y.x> wrote in message news:irvjqt$4tc$1...@dont-email.me...

I'd always assumed that on all cars, the indicator and wiper stalks were the
opposite way round on LHD and RHD versions, until I drove a Ford Focus in
America and found that the indicators were still on the left as for the RHD
model. Surprisingly, I found it hard to adjust to this: my brain wanted to
apply a mirror-image to everything and was confused by things that weren't a
mirror image :-)

Zimmy

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May 30, 2011, 11:02:40 AM5/30/11
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On 30/05/2011 11:17, Mortimer wrote:

> I'd always assumed that on all cars, the indicator and wiper stalks were
> the opposite way round on LHD and RHD versions, until I drove a Ford
> Focus in America and found that the indicators were still on the left as
> for the RHD model. Surprisingly, I found it hard to adjust to this: my
> brain wanted to apply a mirror-image to everything and was confused by
> things that weren't a mirror image :-)


Kind of what you would expect in these days of cost cutting.

There was something on Watchdog the other night about RHD Citroens(?)
simply having rods that took the brake pedal back to the left hand side,
so that passengers could accidentally brake by sticking their foot up
under the glove compartment.

Z

The Other Mike

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May 31, 2011, 11:14:56 AM5/31/11
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On Mon, 30 May 2011 11:17:52 +0100, "Mortimer" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>"Zimmy" <z@y.x> wrote in message news:irvjqt$4tc$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 27/05/2011 10:00, The Other Mike wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 May 2011 09:39:03 +0100, Zimmy<z@y.x> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know about motorbikes, but in my LHD car the lights and wipers
>>>> stalks are on the opposite sides from the RHD model.
>>>
>>> What car is that then?
>>>
>> Its a Mazda RX 7. I know because I bought a RHD boost gauge mount that
>> replaces the top of the steering column cover and the slots for the stalks
>> were the other way round. :-(
>
>I'd always assumed that on all cars, the indicator and wiper stalks were the
>opposite way round on LHD and RHD versions

Some Japanese and Far East produced RHD cars keep to the Japanese
convention and have the stalks how they used to be in the UK with the
indicator stalk nearest the side window.

The overwhelming majority of RHD spec cars for the UK market have
"Euro LHD" spec stalks so that the indicator ends up nearest the
centreline of the vehicle.

I can't recall which way round the McLaren F1 stalks are :)


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bolta...@boltar.world

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May 31, 2011, 11:44:46 AM5/31/11
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 16:14:56 +0100
The Other Mike <rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote:
>>I'd always assumed that on all cars, the indicator and wiper stalks were the
>>opposite way round on LHD and RHD versions
>
>Some Japanese and Far East produced RHD cars keep to the Japanese
>convention and have the stalks how they used to be in the UK with the
>indicator stalk nearest the side window.
>
>The overwhelming majority of RHD spec cars for the UK market have
>"Euro LHD" spec stalks so that the indicator ends up nearest the
>centreline of the vehicle.

On the last few cars I've owned the indicator and wipers were on the same stalk.

B2003

The Other Mike

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May 31, 2011, 6:25:42 PM5/31/11
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC), bolta...@boltar.world
wrote:

errghh. Nasty


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bolta...@boltar.world

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Jun 1, 2011, 4:41:22 AM6/1/11
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 23:25:42 +0100
The Other Mike <rootpa...@somewhereorother.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 May 2011 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC), bolta...@boltar.world
>wrote:
>>On the last few cars I've owned the indicator and wipers were on the same
>stalk.
>
>errghh. Nasty

You get used to it though manufacturers do get a bit carried away. On my
current one I have indicators, high beam, cruise control and wipers all on
one stalk. Mainly because its the only stalk.

B2003

Sam

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Jun 11, 2011, 4:12:10 PM6/11/11
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On Thu, 26 May 2011 23:52:09 +0100, Mortimer wrote:

> Someone has just referred to a "left-hand-drive" motorbike.

Not sure about motorbikes but you have left-hand and right-hand "drive"
bicycles. In left-hand drive countries the rear brake is controlled by
the left brake lever and the other way around in right-hand drivr
countries.

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