Driving according to the conditions

[Mike Collins]

Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.

[Peter Granger]

On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 21:33:11 UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
> Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.

We already have an expert in sweeping here. There’s no need for all your sweeping statements.

[Mike Collins]

I have been involved in this group, uk.transport and uk.rec.driving for many years and I have never seen a motorist say 'I drove according to the conditions because 30mph was more appropriate to the village I was passing through with a NSL road', no it's always 'I drove according to the conditions rather than a number onna stick'.

[Spike]

Mike Collins wrote:

> I have been involved in this group, uk.transport and uk.rec.driving for
> many years and I have never seen a motorist say 'I drove according to the
> conditions because 30mph was more appropriate to the village I was
> passing through with a NSL road', no it's always 'I drove according to
> the conditions rather than a number onna stick'.

argumentum ad verecundiam

--
Spike

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:33:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
> Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.

They don't give a toss about the disabled and children who might be crossing or walking in the road.

[Mike Collins]

Ventosa Veri Res Tabit

[Spike]

That’s why there needs to be a crackdown on cyclists’ self-entitled
attitude, it’s costing the lives of innocent pedestrians.

--
Spike

[swldx...@gmail.com]

The same people, when they retire, will volunteer to stand in their villages with a speed gun.
Aren't people strange?

[Mike Collins]

No, they are just your typical 'law abiding' motorists. Speed limits only apply to other people because they are above average and drive according to the conditions.

[Peter Granger]

On my old route to work, there was a stretch of road on the outskirts of a village with no pavement. Most mornings, I’d pass a lady with her small children, and would do so slowly and giving them plenty of space. She invariably gave a wave of thanks.

NSL stretch. You are, of course, being silly.

We already have a dunce cap wearer making clumsy and cackhanded attempts at trolling. Your “services” in that department are therefore not required. Please rein it in or I might have to get my fake Google Groups killfile onto you.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

I once read in the local rag a driver insisting that 40mph in a 30mph limit "isn't really speeding".

[Peter Granger]

Perhaps they were talking about cycling.

Did you throw a wobbly when your eloquent and measured letter in response wasn’t published? Perhaps you should have mentioned you were mentally disabled. Might have got their sympathy.

[JNugent]

Which part of "the conditions" is too difficult for you and Collins to
understand?

[JNugent]

On 28/01/2023 04:46 am, Mike Collins wrote:

> On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 21:58:53 UTC, PeterG...@protonmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 21:33:11 UTC, Mike Collins wrote:

>>> Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.

>> We already have an expert in sweeping here. There’s no need for all your sweeping statements.
>
> I have been involved in this group, uk.transport and uk.rec.driving for many years and I have never seen a motorist say 'I drove according to the conditions because 30mph was more appropriate to the village I was passing through with a NSL road',

Which villages have 60mph streets passing through them?

Please be specific.

> no it's always 'I drove according to the conditions rather than a number onna stick'.

There is no difference between those two statements.

FWIW, I rarely reach 30mph for at least a half-mile on leaving home,
despite that being the limit. IMO, 30 is a little too fast for certain
parts of the road.

[JNugent]

> attitude, it’s costing the lives of innocent pedestrians...

...especially on the footway, and particularly as they exit front doors
or garden gates.

[JNugent]

On 28/01/2023 05:17 pm, Peter Granger wrote:
> On Saturday, 28 January 2023 at 14:35:44 UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>> On Saturday, 28 January 2023 at 14:27:27 UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 11:27:51 AM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:33:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>>>>> Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.
>>>> They don't give a toss about the disabled and children who might be crossing or walking in the road.
>>> The same people, when they retire, will volunteer to stand in their villages with a speed gun.
>>> Aren't people strange?
>> No, they are just your typical 'law abiding' motorists. Speed limits only apply to other people because they are above average and drive according to the conditions.
>
> On my old route to work, there was a stretch of road on the outskirts of a village with no pavement. Most mornings, I’d pass a lady with her small children, and would do so slowly and giving them plenty of space. She invariably gave a wave of thanks.
>
> NSL stretch. You are, of course, being silly.

Exactly.

We will wait a long time for Collins' example of any street passing
through a village and subject only to NSL (60mph for a single-carriageway).

[JNugent]

No, you didn't.

If you had, you'd be able to cite it.

But you can't because you didn't.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 5:23:50 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> > No, they are just your typical 'law abiding' motorists. Speed limits only apply to other people because they are above average and drive according to the conditions.
> I once read in the local rag a driver insisting that 40mph in a 30mph limit "isn't really speeding".

Much like stealing a jar of coffee isn't really theft, I suppose.

[Mike Collins]

On Saturday, 28 January 2023 at 18:10:35 UTC, JNugent wrote:
> On 28/01/2023 04:46 am, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 21:58:53 UTC, PeterG...@protonmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 21:33:11 UTC, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> >>> Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.
>
> >> We already have an expert in sweeping here. There’s no need for all your sweeping statements.
> >
> > I have been involved in this group, uk.transport and uk.rec.driving for many years and I have never seen a motorist say 'I drove according to the conditions because 30mph was more appropriate to the village I was passing through with a NSL road',
> Which villages have 60mph streets passing through them?
>
> Please be specific.

Norton Ferris

[Mike Collins]

Norton Ferris

[Spike]

Norton Ferris is a hamlet, not a village.

--
Spike

[swldx...@gmail.com]

And parking outside a school with your engine running isn't child abuse.

[Peter Granger]

Is taking your child on the London Underground “child abuse” as well, then?

Surely you’re not applying double standards where Scum Drivers are concerned?

In fact, scrub that. I think you should go up to the burliest dad you can find picking up his kid and lecture him on the wickedness of his ways. Maybe even put a badly spelt and laid out leaflet under his wiper (but be careful not to break the wiper; only twats drive without working wipers).

Please film the interaction for us with your stupid-looking video glasses and upload it so we can laugh at - I mean, congratulate - you.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 9:33:11 PM UTC, Mike Collins wrote:

> Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.

As the late Keith Peat said - "I don't drive to a number on a lollipop".
Hateful old man he was - kept a list of dead cyclists.

[Mike Collins]

People still live there and drivers pulling out of Combe Barn Lane have no view to the North.
OK the whole stretch of road from Maiden Bradley to Stourton is now 50mph but that just reminds me that Stourton village is NSL.

[Mike Collins]

And purely by coincidence the number he considered safe was always greater than the one on the lollipop.

[JNugent]

So do you.

You used to publish reminders about them.

[JNugent]

On 28/01/2023 07:00 pm, swldx...@gmail.com...

Is that how you reassure yourself when out on a shoplifting spree?

[JNugent]

I don't know of that place, but I'll look it up on Google Streetview.

Are there many / any other villages with a 60mph street running through
the middle of them?

[JNugent]

On 29/01/2023 01:22 pm, JNugent wrote:

> On 28/01/2023 07:30 pm, Mike Collins wrote:
>> On Saturday, 28 January 2023 at 18:10:35 UTC, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 28/01/2023 04:46 am, Mike Collins wrote:

>>>> PeterG...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Mike Collins wrote:
>
>>>>>> Why is it when motorists say they drive according to the
>>>>>> conditions it always involves exceeding the speed limit.
>
>>>>> We already have an expert in sweeping here. There’s no need for all
>>>>> your sweeping statements.
>
>>>> I have been involved in this group, uk.transport and uk.rec.driving
>>>> for many years and I have never seen a motorist say 'I drove
>>>> according to the conditions because 30mph was more appropriate to
>>>> the village I was passing through with a NSL road',
>
>>> Which villages have 60mph streets passing through them?
>>> Please be specific.
>
>> Norton Ferris
>
> I don't know of that place, but I'll look it up on Google Streetview.
>
> Are there many / any other villages with a 60mph street running through
> the middle of them?

Is this what you meant?

Norton Ferris turns out to be a location, rather than a village with
houses and a street passing through. It's more like buildings here and
there - certainly not in the form that anyone would call a "street" -
astride a B-road.

And even then, that B-road is NOT subject to the NSL as you claimed.

See the Streetview (that's a misleading phrase, by the way) of the place
(with its non-NSL speed limit) at:

<https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.1276154,-2.3019527,3a,75y,169.57h,72.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKSKuF1NVbHgTLoyGu-sU-Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en>

Try again?

[JNugent]

On 28/01/2023 08:06 pm, swldx...@gmail.com...

...talking to himself again, said:

> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 7:00:55 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com...

...talking to himself again, said:

>> On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 5:23:50 PM UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>> No, they are just your typical 'law abiding' motorists. Speed limits only apply to other people because they are above average and drive according to the conditions.

>>> I once read in the local rag a driver insisting that 40mph in a 30mph limit "isn't really speeding".

>> Much like stealing a jar of coffee isn't really theft, I suppose.

You need to stop doing that. Or at least, if you can't stop, stop
boasting about it.

>
> And parking outside a school with your engine running isn't child abuse.

That's right. It isn't. Especially not in the depths of winter.

[Mike Collins]

You once said 'Upton Scudamore' was your favourite village name. Before the Warminster bypass was build it was NSL.

[JNugent]

The A36 doesn't run through Upton Scudamore. It's a mile north of that road.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

He was still baying at speed limit signs when he was in a wheelchair with a morphine drip in his arm.

Nasty little man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/5110366.stm

[Mike Collins]

Exactly as I stated.

[JNugent]

That isn't what you stated.

In case you didn't know, the A36 Salisbury to Bath road never passed
through Upton Scudamore, before or after the building of the Warminster
bypass.

So thank you for proving my point.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

Kept a sick tally of dead cyclists - now he's dead.
KARMA.

[Mike Collins]

when you travelled from Warminster to Westbury there were road signs saying Upton Scudamore and the road was NSL.

[Spike]

In the long run, we’re all dead. How are you going to squander your
remaining time?

--
Spike

[swldx...@gmail.com]

Playing with himself in hell now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/234276410/Banjo_400x400.jpg

[Mike Collins]

On Sunday, 29 January 2023 at 06:34:38 UTC, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyone remember Paul Smith (and his specialist copyright lawyer) who advocated using dead people to avoid speeding convictions.

[swldx...@gmail.com]

Ah yes - the "Safespeed" founder who was often a guest of the late Talk Radio presenter Mike Dickin who died in a car crash in 2006 - it's how he wanted to die. A year after Dickin died, Smith himself was dead.

Here is the gut-wrenching tribute from Pistonheads.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing//topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=473918&i=0

[JNugent]

...and?

[swldx...@gmail.com]

His followers used to set fire to safety cameras.
COMMON THUGS.

[Mike Collins]

So someone else posts on your behalf.

[JNugent]

You are away with the fairies again, lad.

[Simon Mason]

> > > Hateful old man he was - kept a list of dead cyclists.
> > Anyone remember Paul Smith (and his specialist copyright lawyer) who advocated using dead people to avoid speeding convictions.
> His followers used to set fire to safety cameras.
> COMMON THUGS.

Vandals and speeding drivers are both dead now.

WIN WIN.

[Spike]

In the long run, we’re all dead.

--
Spike

[swldx...@gmail.com]

> His followers used to set fire to safety cameras.
> COMMON THUGS.

When a dozy bouncer was flashed by a speed camera as he broke the limit, he took drastic action.

Adrian Smith, 46, set fire to the machine because he wrongly thought the driving offence would lead to a ban.

Police, who used number plate recognition cameras to trace the offender, went to his home to quiz him about the arson – and they found a cannabis farm in his basement.

He has now been jailed for two years for drug offences and starting the fire.

If he had just accepted his punishment for breaking the limit he would have faced a speed awareness course not a ban.

Judge Sean Morris told him: “These speed cameras save lives. People who set fire to them must realise the consequences are a hundred times worse than taking the fine.”

Smith was doing 68mph in a 60mph zone when he activated the camera on the A57 near Lincoln in February.

He thought he had six points on his licence and was convinced that being caught speeding would result in a ban under the totting up procedure.

He torched the camera the next day by setting tyres on fire. The machine was ruined.

Lincoln crown court heard that it was only when Smith was quizzed by police that he discovered he had just three points on his licence.

Smith, of Shireoaks, Notts, admitted arson, producing cannabis and possessing the drug with intent to supply.

Martin Keys, defending, told the court : “He has always been very remorseful.”