London Critical Mass June ride.
Doug
Usual confrontations with impatient drivers. Saw one cyclist rammed by
a car but probably many more. They just can′t wait for the ride to
pass and they sound their horns impatiently and try to nose in
dangerously. At Piccadilly Circus two car cops gave a rider a fixed
penalty notice for going through a red light. Haven′t they heard yet
that CM is now a customarily held procession in law? At Hyde Park
Corner a woman cop threatened a corker with arrest for obstructing the
highway. There was a serious altercation in Oxford Street between some
car occupants, who deliberately nosed into the ride, and riders.
Allegedly a woman was punched. Anyway, this held up traffic for quite
some time.
Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone around
Parliament. Finally a bike-high and sit-down on London Bridge.
See pics.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/433239.html
--
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http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"More bikes, fewer cars!".
Brimstone
So apart from provoking confrontations no useful purpose served then?
Doug
Depends what you mean by 'useful'. Well there is reacting to
confrontations, such as the ramming and the hooting where cyclists are
treated with contempt by drivers. There is the pleasure of the ride
and the company and the safety in numbers. Impatient drivers wouldn't
dream of ramming if the mass was composed of cars.but they would
probably still hoot though.
francis
> Several hundred riders. Warm weather. Still no cycle police.
>
> Usual confrontations with impatient drivers.
Naughty drivers.
> Saw one cyclist rammed by
> a car
Did you see this yourself?
> but probably many more.
So no proof then.
>They just can′t wait for the ride to
> pass and they sound their horns impatiently and try to nose in
> dangerously.
You mean 'join trafffic'
> At Piccadilly Circus two car cops gave a rider a fixed
> penalty notice for going through a red light.
Good for him.
> Haven′t they heard yet
> that CM is now a customarily held procession in law? At Hyde Park
> Corner a woman cop threatened a corker with arrest for obstructing the
> highway.
Good for her.
> There was a serious altercation in Oxford Street between some
> car occupants, who deliberately nosed into the ride, and riders.
To join traffic?
> Allegedly a woman was punched. Anyway, this held up traffic for quite
> some time.
Anecdotal
>
> Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
> Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
> tolerated by the residents,
So they were ignoring you.
> unlike past experiences in the zone around
> Parliament. Finally a bike-high and sit-down on London Bridge.
You mean obstruction of the highway.
>
> See pics.
>
> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/433239.html
>
> --
> Critical Mass Londonhttp://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
> "More bikes, fewer cars!".
Even if it is the case that CM is a procession, they still have to
obey police instructions.
Anyway you had a night out delibitratly pissing people off, you can go
home & think about how many motorists will start to hate cyclists
because of your night out.
By the way are you just quoting from indymedia, or did you write the
article?
Francis
Brimstone
You've said they do.
>
> Depends what you mean by 'useful'. Well there is reacting to
> confrontations, such as the ramming and the hooting where cyclists are
> treated with contempt by drivers.
In what way is standing in the middle of a junction and lifting one's bike
above one's head not confrontational?
> There is the pleasure of the ride
> and the company and the safety in numbers.
What is pleasurable about riding around London on a Friday evening with no
destination in mind and what do the participants need to be kept safe from?
> Impatient drivers wouldn't
> dream of ramming if the mass was composed of cars.but they would
> probably still hoot though.
Impatient cyclists endanger other people. Sadly such selfish people are a
fact of life.
Doug
Parliament rammed by motorists?
>
>
> > Depends what you mean by 'useful'. Well there is reacting to
> > confrontations, such as the ramming and the hooting where cyclists are
> > treated with contempt by drivers.
>
> In what way is standing in the middle of a junction and lifting one's bike
> above one's head not confrontational?
>
confrontation.
>
> > There is the pleasure of the ride
> > and the company and the safety in numbers.
>
> What is pleasurable about riding around London on a Friday evening with no
> destination in mind and what do the participants need to be kept safe from?
>
whizzing past you at breakneck speeds. Obviously they need to be kept
safe from dangerous drivers.
>
> > Impatient drivers wouldn't
> > dream of ramming if the mass was composed of cars.but they would
> > probably still hoot though.
>
> Impatient cyclists endanger other people.
>
>
> Sadly such selfish people are a
> fact of life.
>
hours every day of the week? Need I remind you that CM only takes
place once a month for just two or three hours?
Marc
"Usual confrontations "
You have stated that CM is a procession and you've said there are
confrontations QED
Brimstone
See your own post.
> How? Is, say,. the Lord Mayor's Show or the State Opening of
> Parliament rammed by motorists?
There's difference between those occasions of state and an bunch of cyclists
riding aimlessly around London.
>>> Depends what you mean by 'useful'. Well there is reacting to
>>> confrontations, such as the ramming and the hooting where cyclists
>>> are treated with contempt by drivers.
>>
>> In what way is standing in the middle of a junction and lifting
>> one's bike above one's head not confrontational?
>>
> My guess is that it is merely a reaction to driver provoked
> confrontation.
What provocation?
>>> There is the pleasure of the ride
>>> and the company and the safety in numbers.
>>
>> What is pleasurable about riding around London on a Friday evening
>> with no destination in mind and what do the participants need to be
>> kept safe from?
>>
> You'd be surprised how pleasurable it can be in London with no cars
> whizzing past you at breakneck speeds. Obviously they need to be kept
> safe from dangerous drivers.
Then why don't pedestrians feel the need to congregate and wander around
with no purpose?
>>> Impatient drivers wouldn't
>>> dream of ramming if the mass was composed of cars.but they would
>>> probably still hoot though.
>>
>> Impatient cyclists endanger other people.
>>
> But they are much less dangerous than drivers.
So what?
>> Sadly such selfish people are a
>> fact of life.
>>
> Do you include all the motorists who hold up Central London for many
> hours every day of the week? Need I remind you that CM only takes
> place once a month for just two or three hours?
Motorists are going somewhere, there is a start, an end and a purpose to
their journey. The fact that CM has none of those makes it a pointless
exercise, unless the point is to cause as much annoyance as they can.
Tony Dragon
Yes Doug tell us were you the Indymedia author?
--
Tony Dragon
Andy Leighton
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:09:03 +0100,
Brimstone <brimston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> There's difference between those occasions of state and an bunch of cyclists
> riding aimlessly around London.
[snip]
> Motorists are going somewhere, there is a start, an end and a purpose to
> their journey. The fact that CM has none of those makes it a pointless
> exercise, unless the point is to cause as much annoyance as they can.
I wouldn't want to criticise riding aimlessly. A slippery slope.
I would imagine that many of us go out for a nice tootle around of
an evening without a destination (well apart from ending up back at
home eventually). I know I do. Of course I don't live in London.
Also I think you are incorrect. CM may not have a start or an end
(although Doug did describe an end - they went and had a picnic) but
there is a purpose to the journey. Multiple purposes in fact - social
gathering and the making of a political point.
I'm not a Londoner, never been on a CM, and think that CM doesn't really
do much good.
--
Andy Leighton => an...@azaal.plus.com
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_
Brimstone
> uk.rec.driving trimmed from distribution.
>
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:09:03 +0100,
> Brimstone <brimston...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> There's difference between those occasions of state and an bunch of
>> cyclists riding aimlessly around London.
>
> [snip]
>
>> Motorists are going somewhere, there is a start, an end and a
>> purpose to their journey. The fact that CM has none of those makes
>> it a pointless exercise, unless the point is to cause as much
>> annoyance as they can.
>
> I wouldn't want to criticise riding aimlessly. A slippery slope.
Not all aimless riding is bad.
Doug
> On Jun 27, 8:01 am, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > Several hundred riders. Warm weather. Still no cycle police.
>
> > Usual confrontations with impatient drivers.
>
> Naughty drivers.
>
> > Saw one cyclist rammed by
> > a car
>
> Did you see this yourself?
>
> > but probably many more.
>
> So no proof then.
>
" Thanks
to the cyclists who helped me by doing a magnificent job of
straighting my mangled back wheel that a kindly cabbie not so lovingly
rammed. I had a nice chilled out ride and felt very calm and
relaxed,unlike aforementioned cabbie,stressed,high blood pressure.
Once again thanks guys,I appricate your show of unity.
Anon "
--
Critical Mass London
David Damerell
>a car but probably many more. They just can′t wait for the ride to
Something amiss here.
>Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
>Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
>tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone around
>Parliament.
Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I spent
most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through other
people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a cager habit,
and it demeans us.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?
Today is First Thursday, Presuary.
Brimstone
> Quoting Doug <jag...@riseup.net>:
>> a car but probably many more. They just can′t wait for the
>> ride to
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Something amiss here.
>
>> Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
>> Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
>> tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone
>> around Parliament.
>
> Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I
> spent most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through
> other people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a
> cager habit, and it demeans us.
Doug is currently on his second (at least) teenagehood.
Simon Brooke
wrote:
>
> Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I spent
> most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through other
> people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a cager habit,
> and it demeans us.
Well said that man.
JNugent
Absolutely.
Given the way that motoring law has evolved (for isntance, some
public-spirited bloke got a driving licence endorsement not too long back -
for standing on the footway holding up a sign warning passing drivers that
it'd be better of they slowed down), I'm surprised that three penalty points
aren't handed out for the Thud Thud Thud offence. It's make a lot of sense.
Tom Crispin
<dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>Quoting Doug <jag...@riseup.net>:
>>a car but probably many more. They just can′t wait for the ride to
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Something amiss here.
>
>>Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
>>Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
>>tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone around
>>Parliament.
>
>Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I spent
>most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through other
>people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a cager habit,
>and it demeans us.
I am quite happy to tolerate mobile sound systems at events like
Freewheel - they are harmless. But what truely impresses me are the
bike mounted bands. Not that chap on a recumbent who bangs a drum
occasioanlly, but real bike mounted rock bands.
Just zis Guy, you know?
> I am quite happy to tolerate mobile sound systems at events like
> Freewheel - they are harmless. But what truely impresses me are the
> bike mounted bands. Not that chap on a recumbent who bangs a drum
> occasioanlly, but real bike mounted rock bands.
http://www.macband.nl/jpg/fiets_220602_3.jpg
--
Guy
David Hansen
<kije....@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote this:-
>I am quite happy to tolerate mobile sound systems at events like
>Freewheel - they are harmless.
They can even get cyclists dancing in their saddles as they travel
along, which is good clean fun.
>But what truely impresses me are the bike mounted bands.
Sounds great.
--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
Brimstone
> But what truely impresses me are the
> bike mounted bands. Not that chap on a recumbent who bangs a drum
> occasioanlly, but real bike mounted rock bands.
On bikes is a piece of piss, the bike goes where the rider steers it.
For something much more interesting try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2M0KpdkekE The mount has a will of it's own.
Roger Merriman
> Quoting Doug <jag...@riseup.net>:
> >a car but probably many more. They just can′t wait for the ride to
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Something amiss here.
>
> >Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
> >Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
> >tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone around
> >Parliament.
>
> Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I spent
> most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through other
> people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a cager habit,
> and it demeans us.
where a few on the Capital to Coast with music which i thought was a tad
off.
roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com
Capital to Coast
www.justgiving.com/rogermerriman
Doug
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Something amiss here.
>
> >Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
> >Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
> >tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone around
> >Parliament.
>
> Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I spent
> most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through other
> people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a cager habit,
> and it demeans us.
>
--
Critical Mass London
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Whose streets? Our streets".
Brimstone
> On 29 June, 18:05, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> wrote:
>> Quoting Doug <jag...@riseup.net>:>a car but probably many more.
>> They just can′t wait for the ride to
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Something amiss here.
>>
>>> Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
>>> Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
>>> tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone
>>> around Parliament.
>>
>> Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I
>> spent
>> most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through other
>> people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a cager
>> habit,
>> and it demeans us.
>>
> But others love sound systems on rides.
So let them use am ipod or whatever. Why should those who want a quite
peaceful ride, and those not involved, have one individuals choice of music
inflicted upon them? Imposing such noise on other people simply because the
player wants it is the attitude of a selfish teenager in a car.
JNugent
Hear, hear.
No pun intended.
Daniel Barlow
>> So let them use am ipod or whatever. Why should those who want a
>> quite peaceful ride, and those not involved, have one individuals
>> choice of music inflicted upon them? Imposing such noise on other
>> people simply because the player wants it is the attitude of a
>> selfish teenager in a car.
>
> Hear, hear.
>
> No pun intended.
Why would anyone wanting a quiet peaceful ride join Critical Mess?
-dan
JNugent
> JNugent <J...@noparticularplacetogo.com> writes:
>> No pun intended.
<shrug>
Why would it matter what they want?
Other people are not their property.
Doug
to drown out all but the most powerful sound systems. Which is
preferable, traffic noise or music?
Brimstone
inconsiderate arshole with a ghettoblaster strapped to his bike" rather than
completely noise free.
Brimstone
I travel in central London from time to time and do not notice the traffic
noise. I do however notice the inconsiderate arsholes who insists on
inflicting their choice of noise on the rest of the population.
Marc
> On 29 June, 18:05, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> wrote:
>> Quoting Doug <jag...@riseup.net>:>a car but probably many more. They just can′t wait for the ride to
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Something amiss here.
>>
>>> Several circuits of Parliament Square. A pleasant stop at Buckingham
>>> Palace where the ride with its loud music seems to be very well
>>> tolerated by the residents, unlike past experiences in the zone around
>>> Parliament.
>> Personally, I loathe mobile sound systems on such rides. Sarah and I spent
>> most of the WNBR trying to get away from them. Running through other
>> people's neighbourhoods with a constant doof-doof-doof is a cager habit,
>> and it demeans us.
>>
> But others love sound systems on rides.
>
>
That's true, but they are usually the same mentality as twats that play
doof-doof-doof in car,
Tony Dragon
You mean ignorant twats who want to inflict their noise pollution on others?
--
Tony Dragon
Marc
Doug
which are inflicted as a punishment on other people..
--
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http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.
Marc
Fine, but why is you opinion better than mine?
As it stands there is traffic noise then you come along and impose your
opinion that you don't want me to hear it by drowning it out.
Tony Dragon
What a quaint idea.
--
Tony Dragon
Brimstone
You are entitled to your opinion regarding traffic noise but what gives you
the right to inflict your opinion regarding the playing of music on other
people who may not share it?
JNugent
> Marc <initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
>> Traffic noise is more preferable than other peoples music.
> I disagree. Traffic noise is horrible and made worse by car horns
> which are inflicted as a punishment on other people..
Traffic noise is a mere incidental. As I type these very words, I can hear a
bus outside my house... approaching... stopped nearby... <hang on>... now
accelerating away... it's gone. I heard it even with a double-glazed window
fully closed.
The only way to obviate that particular noise would be to ban buses coming
through this place. But I'm not asking for that. Cars, of course, make hardly
any discernible noise as they pass, unless they have a sound system which is
turned up too loud. I object to that because it a pure elective noise which
is in no way necessary or indidental. The journey can be made without
excessive noise from loudpeakers. And it ought to be. It's called "courtesy".
Some people, clearly, have no concept of it.
BTW, what discourteous method are you, Doug, using to put this 'orrible
HTML-type coding into your messages? Please stop. Options/Encoding menu
suggests that it is a Japanese font you are using. That can't be right, but
whoy not just post in ASCII text?
Doug
> Doug wrote:
> > Marc <initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> Traffic noise is more preferable than other peoples music.
> > I disagree. Traffic noise is horrible and made worse by car horns
> > which are inflicted as a punishment on other people..
>
> Traffic noise is a mere incidental. As I type these very words, I can hear a
> bus outside my house... approaching... stopped nearby... <hang on>... now
> accelerating away... it's gone. I heard it even with a double-glazed window
> fully closed.
>
> The only way to obviate that particular noise would be to ban buses coming
> through this place. But I'm not asking for that. Cars, of course, make hardly
> any discernible noise as they pass, unless they have a sound system which is
> turned up too loud. I object to that because it a pure elective noise which
> is in no way necessary or indidental. The journey can be made without
> excessive noise from loudpeakers. And it ought to be. It's called "courtesy".
> Some people, clearly, have no concept of it.
>
difference to traffic noise.
>
> BTW, what discourteous method are you, Doug, using to put this 'orrible
> HTML-type coding into your messages? Please stop. Options/Encoding menu
> suggests that it is a Japanese font you are using. That can't be right, but
> whoy not just post in ASCII text?
>
Brimstone
No response Doug?
Doug
transient, unlike traffic noise. In other words, why should you
inflict your tyre and engine noise, not to mention pollution and
danger, on other people?
Bod
really loud stereos playing? 3 or 4 heavy bass lines make an awful
din.
Bod
Brimstone
So other people on the ride won't be affected? How do you work that out?
BTW - there is very rarely any traffic noise outside my house.
> In other words, why should you
> inflict your tyre and engine noise, not to mention pollution and
> danger, on other people?
Because it's a result of motor vehicle use that can't be avoided,
unfortunately. You, and all the other seventeen year old chavs, blasting
noise out from your music system is not only completely avoidable it is
unnecessary.
Bod
Bod
Keitht
>
> Because it's a result of motor vehicle use that can't be avoided,
> unfortunately. You, and all the other seventeen year old chavs, blasting
> noise out from your music system is not only completely avoidable it is
> unnecessary.
>
>
Objection on the use of 'chav'.
Chav is thought to be pedominantly white and estaste-dwelling.
Round these parts there are so many different people with cars that have
powerful sound systems that it would be impossible to pigeon-hole
them in to 'chavdom'.
The campervan next to you at the lights with dubstep rumbling across the
tarmac might be me, and I'm a wee bit older than 17.
--
Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts.
francis
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dougs a cyclist, why would he sit at a set of lights?
Francis
Marc
So what give you the right to inflict it on other people?
In other words, why should you
> inflict your tyre and engine noise, not to mention pollution and
> danger, on other people?
Because the noise is a bye product of the neccessary use of the vehcile
to travel.
Compare that with your use of loud music, why is that neccessary to
inflict on others?
BTW why are you using this crappy font?
Eddie
>
> BTW why are you using this crappy font?
It's the encoding that's the problem. Why didn't you change it to
something normal, like I've done?
--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org
Doug
use of car horns on other people.
>
> In other words, why should you
>
> > inflict your tyre and engine noise, not to mention pollution and
> > danger, on other people?
>
> Because the noise is a bye product of the neccessary use of the vehcile
> to travel.
>
>
> Compare that with your use of loud music, why is that neccessary to
> inflict on others?
>
> BTW why are you using this crappy font?
>
my end.
Marc
Which doesn't alter the fact that it is a bye product not a deliberate
addition.
>> Compare that with your use of loud music, why is that neccessary to
>> inflict on others?
Did you just happen to miss this question?
>>
>> BTW why are you using this crappy font?
>>
> It must be your problem because everything is normal and as usual at
> my end.
I would question whether normal is ever usual at your end, but as to it
being my problem, at least two other people have already commented on
your postings not being in plain text, which to me at least would point
to your settings somwhere being the root cause. Feel free to try and
ignore the problem, but it might be as well to remember that this NG is
a text only medium and if you had upset enough people in the past it
woudn't take much for them to make a complaint to your ISP for posting
something that didn't match the requirement of "Posts must be readable
as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are
prohibited", have you upset enough people in the past to make them want
to make a a complaint about your postings?
Roger Merriman
> On 3 July, 09:10, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
big snips
> >
> > >>>> You are obviously unaware of the traffic noise in London, which
> > >>>> tends to drown out all but the most powerful sound systems. Which
> > >>>> is preferable, traffic noise or music?
> >
> > >>> Traffic noise is more preferable than other peoples music.
> >
> > >> I disagree. Traffic noise is horrible and made worse by car horns
> > >> which are inflicted as a punishment on other people..
> >
> > > You are entitled to your opinion regarding traffic noise but what
> > > gives you the right to inflict your opinion regarding the playing of
> > > music on other people who may not share it?
> >
> > No response Doug?
> >
> How about this? Music from passing vehicles is occasional and
> transient, unlike traffic noise. In other words, why should you
> inflict your tyre and engine noise, not to mention pollution and
> danger, on other people?
>
well that will be me out then, have you heard the noise from the fulcram
hubs!
> --
> Critical Mass London
> http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
> "Whose streets? Our streets".
roger
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Eddie
*sigh*
It *is* in plain text. Look at the message source.
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP
The encoding is set to Japanese (for some bizarre reason), and *your*
news client is using an odd font to display it. Replies to that message
are automatically using the same encoding.
--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org
JNugent
Doug's messages are not set for plain text.
Mine are. Yours are. Marc's are.
Doug's aren't. If they were, this "Japanese" business would/could not arise.
JNugent
> Doug wrote:
[in response to:]
>>> BTW why are you using this crappy font?
Doug wrote:
>> It must be your problem because everything is normal and as usual at
>> my end.
> I would question whether normal is ever usual at your end, but as to it
> being my problem, at least two other people have already commented on
> your postings not being in plain text, which to me at least would point
> to your settings somwhere being the root cause. Feel free to try and
> ignore the problem, but it might be as well to remember that this NG is
> a text only medium and if you had upset enough people in the past it
> woudn't take much for them to make a complaint to your ISP for posting
> something that didn't match the requirement of "Posts must be readable
> as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are
> prohibited", have you upset enough people in the past to make them want
> to make a a complaint about your postings?
I think it must be pretty certain that Doug *has* upset sufficient people in
the past for that to be a real danger.
I hasten to add, though, that I am not one of them; I always try to be
tolerant, especially of Doug.
Daniel Barlow
> Doug's messages are not set for plain text.
You appear to be using a special definition of "plain text" which is at
odds with the standard one.
I don't know why he's posting in a Japanese character set, but it is
nevertheless plain Japanese text, as opposed to rich Japanese text,
Japanese Word documents, MPEG_encoded Japanese audio or any other of the
myriad possibilities that MIME allows for
> Doug's aren't. If they were, this "Japanese" business would/could not arise.
This is, to use a technical term, "wrong"
-dan
Eddie
>
> Doug's messages are not set for plain text.
>
> Mine are. Yours are. Marc's are.
>
> Doug's aren't. If they were, this "Japanese" business would/could not
> arise.
Look. At. His. Headers.
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Eddie ed...@deguello.org
JNugent
I supposed it must be.
After all, Japanese characters are *so* widely used in UK newsgroups, aren't
they?
JNugent
> JNugent wrote:
>> Doug's messages are not set for plain text.
>> Mine are. Yours are. Marc's are.
>> Doug's aren't. If they were, this "Japanese" business would/could not
>> arise.
> Look. At. His. Headers.
No, thanks.
Roger Merriman
why he's using that set lord only knows but regardless it is plain text.
maybe internet cafe or some such.
Doug
text, not even proportional. As far as I can discover Google seems to
have no means of setting the text but the group owner can, whoever
that is.
Could this be an example of sabotage censorship?
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One man's newsgroup is another man's censorship.
Doug
Brimstone
Why would he do that Doug?
Roger Merriman
in short no.
the setting would be from your browser, win firefox.
mind you the newsreader should of just handled it, mine did.
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> www.zing.icom43.net
> One man's newsgroup is another man's censorship.
roger
Marc
Did you miss this question, again?
Why is it neccessary for you to inflict a loud unwanted noise on others?
>>
>>
>>
>>>> BTW why are you using this crappy font?
>>> It must be your problem because everything is normal and as usual at
>>> my end.
>> I would question whether normal is ever usual at your end, but as to it
>> being my problem, at least two other people have already commented on
>> your postings not being in plain text, which to me at least would point
>> to your settings somwhere being the root cause. Feel free to try and
>> ignore the problem, but it might be as well to remember that this NG is
>> a text only medium and if you had upset enough people in the past it
>> woudn't take much for them to make a complaint to your ISP for posting
>> something that didn't match the requirement of "Posts must be readable
>> as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are
>> prohibited", have you upset enough people in the past to make them want
>> to make a a complaint about your postings?
Well have you?
>>
> Are you threatening me by any chance?
Good dog no, you aren't ( IMHO) opinion worth the effort. Now that I
have answered your question, any chance of you answering mine?
Tony Dragon
> On 3 July, 15:18, Marc <initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> On 3 July, 13:19, Marc <initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> On 3 July, 09:10, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1 July, 19:36, Marc <initial.surn...@btintenret.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 July, 07:55, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-n...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 June, 18:05, David Damerell
>>>>>>>>>>>> <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quoting Doug <jag...@riseup.net>:>a car but probably many
Wow, Doug feels threatened by information he does not agree with.
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Tony Dragon
Doug
Doug
>
>
>
>
> >>>> BTW why are you using this crappy font?
> >>> It must be your problem because everything is normal and as usual at
> >>> my end.
> >> I would question whether normal is ever usual at your end, but as to it
> >> being my problem, at least two other people have already commented on
> >> your postings not being in plain text, which to me at least would point
> >> to your settings somwhere being the root cause. Feel free to try and
> >> ignore the problem, but it might be as well to remember that this NG is
> >> a text only medium and if you had upset enough people in the past it
> >> woudn't take much for them to make a complaint to your ISP for posting
> >> something that didn't match the requirement of "Posts must be readable
> >> as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are
> >> prohibited", have you upset enough people in the past to make them want
> >> to make a a complaint about your postings?
>
> Well have you?
>
people? If so there must be loads of offenders. I have suffered
innumerable insults over the years without reporting anyone, yet,
though I have involved Otelo and am currently awaiting a result.
No questions please.
>
>
> > Are you threatening me by any chance?
>
> Good dog no, you aren't ( IMHO) opinion worth the effort. Now that I
> have answered your question, any chance of you answering mine?
>
It looks like a threat.
Roger Merriman
now yes, then no or at least thats what the headers show. regardless it
was set that way and from your computer, though only one post i think?
so not a big issue.
roger
>
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> http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
> "Whose streets? Our streets".
Marc
"Tranlate to English?"?
Marc
No like loud music. There are times when a car horn is meant to be
sounded, but why is it neccessary for you to inflict loud music on
people who don't want it?
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> BTW why are you using this crappy font?
>>>>> It must be your problem because everything is normal and as usual at
>>>>> my end.
>>>> I would question whether normal is ever usual at your end, but as to it
>>>> being my problem, at least two other people have already commented on
>>>> your postings not being in plain text, which to me at least would point
>>>> to your settings somwhere being the root cause. Feel free to try and
>>>> ignore the problem, but it might be as well to remember that this NG is
>>>> a text only medium and if you had upset enough people in the past it
>>>> woudn't take much for them to make a complaint to your ISP for posting
>>>> something that didn't match the requirement of "Posts must be readable
>>>> as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are
>>>> prohibited", have you upset enough people in the past to make them want
>>>> to make a a complaint about your postings?
>> Well have you?
>>
> Are you trying to suggest that posters should always try not to upset
> people?
No.
If so there must be loads of offenders. I have suffered
> innumerable insults over the years without reporting anyone, yet,
> though I have involved Otelo and am currently awaiting a result.
>
> No questions please.
>>
>>> Are you threatening me by any chance?
>> Good dog no, you aren't ( IMHO) opinion worth the effort. Now that I
>> have answered your question, any chance of you answering mine?
>>
> It looks like a threat.
You asked about my intention, I answered you, could you now please
answer me?