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Artemisia
Oct 26, 2012, 10:17:44 AM10/26/12
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Another question about the CGB: I'm not too comfortable on a two-wheeler since I started with the trike, but I do have a folding Dahon. Is it possible to take a folding bike onto the bus if the weather turns foul or one otherwise prefers not to cycle the whole way? Pictures of the bus on the Web do not hint at a lot of luggage space. I know there are Park n Rides along the path, but I would hesitate to leave a valuable bike or trike unsupervised where anyone could steal it or divest it of parts.
Thanks again,
EFR
Ile de France
Thanks again,
EFR
Ile de France
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Oct 26, 2012, 12:19:43 PM10/26/12
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on the bus?
What about the inconvenience to the passengers?
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Theo Markettos
Oct 29, 2012, 2:28:21 PM10/29/12
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folding bike on the bus, especially if it's in a case, if it goes in the
normal luggage well (ie not the wheelchair space). Ask Stagecoach and/or
Whippet if you want a definitive answer, though.
Theo
Roland Perry
Oct 29, 2012, 2:37:25 PM10/29/12
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In message <DZq*Xk...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, at 18:28:21 on Mon,
29 Oct 2012, Theo Markettos <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
remarked:
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Roland Perry
29 Oct 2012, Theo Markettos <theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
remarked:
>Ask Stagecoach and/or Whippet if you want a definitive answer, though.
Stagecoach, Whippet or Whippet; shirley?
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rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Oct 29, 2012, 7:29:28 PM10/29/12
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In article <DZq*Xk...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
The definitive answer as far as Stagecoach is concerned is that folding
bikes will only be taken if in a bag. Their MD told me this at the time of
the launch and was very firm about it. They run at least four fifths of the
buses on the guideway.
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Colin Rosenstiel
bikes will only be taken if in a bag. Their MD told me this at the time of
the launch and was very firm about it. They run at least four fifths of the
buses on the guideway.
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Douglas de Lacey
Oct 30, 2012, 3:12:37 AM10/30/12
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On 29/10/12 23:29, rosen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <DZq*Xk...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo Markettos) wrote:
>
>> Artemisia <efro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Another question about the CGB: I'm not too comfortable on a two-wheeler
>>> since I started with the trike, but I do have a folding Dahon. Is it
>>> possible to take a folding bike onto the bus if the weather turns foul
>>> or one otherwise prefers not to cycle the whole way?
>
> In article <DZq*Xk...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
> theom...@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Theo Markettos) wrote:
>
>> Artemisia <efro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Another question about the CGB: I'm not too comfortable on a two-wheeler
>>> since I started with the trike, but I do have a folding Dahon. Is it
>>> possible to take a folding bike onto the bus if the weather turns foul
>>> or one otherwise prefers not to cycle the whole way?
>
> The definitive answer as far as Stagecoach is concerned is that folding
> bikes will only be taken if in a bag. Their MD told me this at the time of
> the launch and was very firm about it. They run at least four fifths of the
> buses on the guideway.
That's what they told me, *plus* that they have to be put in the luggage
> bikes will only be taken if in a bag. Their MD told me this at the time of
> the launch and was very firm about it. They run at least four fifths of the
> buses on the guideway.
area,
and are therefore limited to a maximum of two per bus. And if someone
else is using
the luggage area the answer might be no bikes at all. So, no, you can't
rely on it.
Douglas de Lacey
nik.morgan
Oct 30, 2012, 4:41:36 AM10/30/12
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on a frame like they do in Miami?
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Oct 30, 2012, 4:52:58 AM10/30/12
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Mike Clark
Oct 30, 2012, 8:11:31 AM10/30/12
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In message <UZs*59...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Do they apply this rule to all forms of luggage? i.e. if four people
with large bags or suitcases arrived would they only allow two on the
bus?
Mike
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with large bags or suitcases arrived would they only allow two on the
bus?
Mike
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Alan
Oct 30, 2012, 8:30:05 AM10/30/12
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space. ie it is a space rather than a numbers issue.
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Brian Morrison
Oct 30, 2012, 8:33:03 AM10/30/12
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:11:31 GMT
Mike Clark wrote:
> Do they apply this rule to all forms of luggage? i.e. if four people
> with large bags or suitcases arrived would they only allow two on the
> bus?
Perhaps they feel that while one can ride a bicycle, the same is not
Mike Clark wrote:
> Do they apply this rule to all forms of luggage? i.e. if four people
> with large bags or suitcases arrived would they only allow two on the
> bus?
true of a suitcase.
In my experience suitcases are wedged in wherever they will fit.
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Mike Clark
Oct 30, 2012, 9:38:51 AM10/30/12
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In message <20121030123...@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
So why not wedge a brompton in a bag in wherever it will fit? I can see
why a rule about folded bicycles not in a bag might be relevant if it
was concerned with oil contamination of seats and other luggage, but
once the bicycle is in a bag then why it should be treated differently
to any other piece of luggage is the question I am getting at.
why a rule about folded bicycles not in a bag might be relevant if it
was concerned with oil contamination of seats and other luggage, but
once the bicycle is in a bag then why it should be treated differently
to any other piece of luggage is the question I am getting at.
Mike Clark
Oct 30, 2012, 9:36:13 AM10/30/12
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In message <op.wmzro...@sepura800.sepura.co.uk>
Which was why I was asking the question regarding larger items of
luggage of about the same size and volume as a folded brompton in a bag.
Are they applying a rule based on size of luggage or a rule based on
being a folding bicycle?
luggage of about the same size and volume as a folded brompton in a bag.
Are they applying a rule based on size of luggage or a rule based on
being a folding bicycle?
Brian Morrison
Oct 30, 2012, 10:43:10 AM10/30/12
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:38:51 GMT
Mike Clark wrote:
> In message <20121030123...@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
> Brian Morrison <b...@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:11:31 GMT
> > Mike Clark wrote:
> >
> > > Do they apply this rule to all forms of luggage? i.e. if four
> > > people with large bags or suitcases arrived would they only allow
> > > two on the bus?
> >
> > Perhaps they feel that while one can ride a bicycle, the same is not
> > true of a suitcase.
> >
> > In my experience suitcases are wedged in wherever they will fit.
> >
>
> So why not wedge a brompton in a bag in wherever it will fit? I can
> see why a rule about folded bicycles not in a bag might be relevant
> if it was concerned with oil contamination of seats and other
> luggage, but once the bicycle is in a bag then why it should be
> treated differently to any other piece of luggage is the question I
> am getting at.
I quite agree Mike, but I doubt that this level of thought has been
Mike Clark wrote:
> In message <20121030123...@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
> Brian Morrison <b...@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:11:31 GMT
> > Mike Clark wrote:
> >
> > > Do they apply this rule to all forms of luggage? i.e. if four
> > > people with large bags or suitcases arrived would they only allow
> > > two on the bus?
> >
> > Perhaps they feel that while one can ride a bicycle, the same is not
> > true of a suitcase.
> >
> > In my experience suitcases are wedged in wherever they will fit.
> >
>
> So why not wedge a brompton in a bag in wherever it will fit? I can
> see why a rule about folded bicycles not in a bag might be relevant
> if it was concerned with oil contamination of seats and other
> luggage, but once the bicycle is in a bag then why it should be
> treated differently to any other piece of luggage is the question I
> am getting at.
applied to it by the bus companies. I suspect it is more to do with
there being only a low percentage of passengers carrying heavy luggage
on most services whereas for commuter routes they worry that they will
be swamped with folding bikes if they make it easy for this type of
cyclist to take the bus.
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Mike Clark
Oct 30, 2012, 10:57:37 AM10/30/12
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In message <20121030144...@surtees.fenrir.org.uk>
Yes it's the kind of british attitude to public transport that we're all
so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage. Then when you get
to the railway station (and the bus timetables are usually
co-ordinated with the train timetables) you find a similar situation for
the trains. Better still you can book a single ticket that includes both
the bus and the train travel (I've even on a ski tour had a one way
ticket that combined telepherique, bus and then rail).
so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage. Then when you get
to the railway station (and the bus timetables are usually
co-ordinated with the train timetables) you find a similar situation for
the trains. Better still you can book a single ticket that includes both
the bus and the train travel (I've even on a ski tour had a one way
ticket that combined telepherique, bus and then rail).
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Roland Perry
Oct 30, 2012, 5:14:02 PM10/30/12
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In message <20121030203...@peterson.fenrir.org.uk>, at 20:30:08
on Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Brian Morrison <b...@fenrir.org.uk> remarked:
>> Yes it's the kind of british attitude to public transport that we're all
>> so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
>> summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
>> commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage.
>
>How do they achieve that without making the buses much larger? I
>genuinely have no idea, all the non-UK buses I've used have seemed very
>similar in size to those in the UK.
I have no idea. Although they use up to triple-section bendy buses in
Geneva, they all have very "steppy" entrances and no provisions I've
ever noticed for cycles.
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Roland Perry
on Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Brian Morrison <b...@fenrir.org.uk> remarked:
>> Yes it's the kind of british attitude to public transport that we're all
>> so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
>> summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
>> commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage.
>
>genuinely have no idea, all the non-UK buses I've used have seemed very
>similar in size to those in the UK.
I have no idea. Although they use up to triple-section bendy buses in
Geneva, they all have very "steppy" entrances and no provisions I've
ever noticed for cycles.
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Roland Perry
ng...@aol.com
Oct 31, 2012, 5:47:32 AM10/31/12
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On Oct 30, 9:30 pm, Brian Morrison <b...@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:57:37 GMT
>
> Brian Morrison
>
> "Sir Henry's brother Hubert, in his mid-forties and still unusual,
> rolled his eyes like dice and came up with an unlucky 13."
For bikes, hang them on the back. I've been one of 8 bikes dangling
from their front wheel behind a bus in Austria. That took up all the
spaces, so two bikes were also allowed inside the bus.
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:57:37 GMT
>
> Mike Clark <mrc7-...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Yes it's the kind of british attitude to public transport that we're all
> > so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
> > summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
> > commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage.
>
> Mike Clark <mrc7-...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> > Yes it's the kind of british attitude to public transport that we're all
> > so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
> > summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
> > commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage.
>
> How do they achieve that without making the buses much larger? I
> genuinely have no idea, all the non-UK buses I've used have seemed very
> similar in size to those in the UK.
>
> --
> genuinely have no idea, all the non-UK buses I've used have seemed very
> similar in size to those in the UK.
>
>
> Brian Morrison
>
> "Sir Henry's brother Hubert, in his mid-forties and still unusual,
> rolled his eyes like dice and came up with an unlucky 13."
For bikes, hang them on the back. I've been one of 8 bikes dangling
from their front wheel behind a bus in Austria. That took up all the
spaces, so two bikes were also allowed inside the bus.
Roland Perry
Oct 31, 2012, 8:26:31 AM10/31/12
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<6ebfe95c-8d02-426f...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, at
02:47:32 on Wed, 31 Oct 2012, "ng...@aol.com" <ng...@aol.com> remarked:
>> > Yes it's the kind of british attitude to public transport that we're all
>> > so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
>> > summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
>> > commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage.
>>
>> How do they achieve that without making the buses much larger? I
>> genuinely have no idea, all the non-UK buses I've used have seemed very
>> similar in size to those in the UK.
take buses there a lot. The trams don't even have a back to hang them
on.
Here's a trolley-bus, and two bikes, but not hanging off the back.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25005195
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Roland Perry
<6ebfe95c-8d02-426f...@b12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, at
02:47:32 on Wed, 31 Oct 2012, "ng...@aol.com" <ng...@aol.com> remarked:
>> > Yes it's the kind of british attitude to public transport that we're all
>> > so used to. Turn up to a bus stop in Switzerland with a bicycle in
>> > summer or a pair of skis in winter and you'll find that the local
>> > commuter buses are all equiped to carry such luggage.
>>
>> How do they achieve that without making the buses much larger? I
>> genuinely have no idea, all the non-UK buses I've used have seemed very
>> similar in size to those in the UK.
>For bikes, hang them on the back. I've been one of 8 bikes dangling
>from their front wheel behind a bus in Austria. That took up all the
>spaces, so two bikes were also allowed inside the bus.
I've never seen a bike hanging off the back of a bus in Geneva. And I
>from their front wheel behind a bus in Austria. That took up all the
>spaces, so two bikes were also allowed inside the bus.
take buses there a lot. The trams don't even have a back to hang them
on.
Here's a trolley-bus, and two bikes, but not hanging off the back.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25005195
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Roland Perry
Clive D. W. Feather
Nov 1, 2012, 6:52:05 PM11/1/12
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In message <282ad1e652....@mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk>, Mike
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Clark <mrc7...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>Better still you can book a single ticket that includes both
>the bus and the train travel
You can do that in the UK. Not just in London.
>Better still you can book a single ticket that includes both
>the bus and the train travel
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