liberate the gear freak...
sj
I have a problem: not an unpleasant problem, you understand, but a
problem none the less....
you see, it's time to stop borrowing gear from my family, and get some
of my own, especially with me heading off to Uni, so gear would
disappear for a term, rather than a week or a weekend (I'll get on with
it now....)
So I need a new tent, and a new sleeping bag (and some other stuff, ice
axes, crampons and the like, but I've made my mind up about that stuff).
I've narrowed my choice of tent down to the TNF Mountain 24/25 models.
Does anybody own one of these, or had experience using one? Can they
stand up to abuse? Or have an alternative that they could recommend?
One issue that I'm worried about is that they are both yellow/gold in
colour, is some tea-leaf going to head straight for it and load it into
the back of their car if my back's turned for 2 minutes?
I'll be using the tent for trips to Scotland in winter, (and in Spring,
and Summer, and Autumn!) and for climbing trips to Wales and France, and
wherever, so it'll get used from wet, windy, (hopefully) snowy trips to
the Ben in winter, and wet, windy trips to Llanberis in summer ;)
A £400 tent may sound like overkill, but it costs me a lot less, 'cos I
work in an outdoors shop, and get a frankly embarrassing staff discount.
The Sleeping Bag (if anybody's still reading).
Does anybody have a Rab bag that they're happy (or unhappy) with? I'm
thinking about the "Ladakh 600" bag, hopefully cool enough in
Spring/Summer/Autumn, and yet warm enough (with a liner perhaps?) for
Scotland in the Winter.
What about the TNF Blue Kazoo or the TNF Cat's Meow 3D? How well does
the Polarguard 3D filling work?
Again, expensive kit, but, for once, for me (an 18 year old), affordable
:)
Cheers for reading this far, and just to keep the regulars happy, cakes,
plastic walls, and OP (even though Guinness is far, far better :P)
Si
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Steve Gray
>Hi people,
>I have a problem: not an unpleasant problem, you understand, but a
>problem none the less....
>you see, it's time to stop borrowing gear from my family, and get some
>of my own,
Keep your bleedin' hands off mine tonight.
It's all marked.
>So I need a new tent, and a new sleeping bag (and some other stuff, ice
>axes, crampons and the like, but I've made my mind up about that stuff).
Oh, I forgot you were into that weird cold weather stuff.
>A £400 tent may sound like overkill, but it costs me a lot less, 'cos I
>work in an outdoors shop, and get a frankly embarrassing staff discount.
Ye've never got me owt cheap, ye git.
;-)
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Peter Clinch
a gear freak question? sounds like my cue! ;-)
> I've narrowed my choice of tent down to the TNF Mountain 24/25 models.
> Does anybody own one of these, or had experience using one? Can they
> stand up to abuse? Or have an alternative that they could recommend?
> One issue that I'm worried about is that they are both yellow/gold in
> colour, is some tea-leaf going to head straight for it and load it into
> the back of their car if my back's turned for 2 minutes?
Possibly, but there are a couple of other possible issues with bright
tents. They have been reported as being slightly more midge attracting
than dull colours, and they make camping in "borderline" areas rather
difficult, 'cause you can be spotted a mile off. Not that I'm
advocating anything of the sort, you understand, but a nice dark green
fly is a bit more unobtrusive when avoiding "tickets" in some places.
> A £400 tent may sound like overkill, but it costs me a lot less, 'cos I
> work in an outdoors shop, and get a frankly embarrassing staff discount.
If it gets it in under all the competition, then fine, but I haven't
seen any particularly strong evidence that TNF are especially better
than Quasars, and I trust Saunders enough that the their recent Mountain
Trek may be worth a look too. And it'll probably be a shade lighter.
Macpac do some nice tents too.
> The Sleeping Bag (if anybody's still reading).
> Does anybody have a Rab bag that they're happy (or unhappy) with?
All Rab owners I know (many) are happy ones. Same with ME (though I
wish I'd got a Snowline and not an Iceline, 'cause it's too bloody hot).
> thinking about the "Ladakh 600" bag, hopefully cool enough in
> Spring/Summer/Autumn, and yet warm enough (with a liner perhaps?) for
> Scotland in the Winter.
Scotland in winter I'd look at the Ladakh 800, which seems to be the
"standard" down bag for the job. Also check out the ME Snowline (or
Lightline, if you do want something cooler), which has a water resistant
shell (for quite a bit more money, mind). Just open up the zip or use
it as a quilt in warmer weather.
> What about the TNF Blue Kazoo or the TNF Cat's Meow 3D? How well does
> the Polarguard 3D filling work?
Very well, for about 3 years, I hear. As opposed to down, which will
still be going strong after a decade if looked after properly, and a
firm like Rab will re-fill it at very competitive rates even when it
finally does die. In the long term, down still represents better value
IMHO.
Pete.
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Vicki Portman
>
>
> If it gets it in under all the competition, then fine, but I haven't
> seen any particularly strong evidence that TNF are especially better
> than Quasars, and I trust Saunders enough that the their recent Mountain
> Trek may be worth a look too. And it'll probably be a shade lighter.
> Macpac do some nice tents too.
And our tent whose name I can't remember, is excellent. But pink. It
has been advertised quite a bit in the mags, and I have raved about it
by name here before (can you remember what it is, Pete?!) It's a summat
or other Reinhold Messner....
Vicki
Michele
the car?
I got a 60 pound jobbie from Field and Trek - I got one with a big porch
etc and it keeps the rain out - I've camped in the snow with it too and it
was all fine.
I thought it could be like a disposable tent and I could easily afford a
new one when it fell to bits, but I've had it for 3 years now......
love Mich
Arnaud
>
> Hi people,
> I have a problem: not an unpleasant problem, you understand, but a
> problem none the less....
> you see, it's time to stop borrowing gear from my family, and get some
> disappear for a term, rather than a week or a weekend (I'll get on with
> it now....)
Here is the solution to your problem:
You go to the uni taking all the family gear for a term. Then they feel
obliged to get a all set of new gear. You come back at chritsmas with
the old kit, give it back and take the new one away! Bingo! new gear for
free!
Then with all the money you saved you can go in lots of week end and
drink loads of beer.
HTH
A.-
Peter Clinch
>
> Why do we all get these expensive tents to merely camp for a weekend from
> the car?
Good point. For most camping (let's be honest, in most cases car
camping or easily accessibly sites are the norm) then a Eurohike from
Millets is more than up to the job. Only if you'll be in *really*
stormy weather do you need the likes of a Quasar, and only if you're
carrying it any appreciable distance is there much point in spending
lots on a *.Packer.
And you'll get 2-300 pounds change.
You can always remove the logo and write on "TNF" with a magic marker.
Matt Schofield
>
> Why do we all get these expensive tents to merely camp for a weekend from
> the car?
>
> etc and it keeps the rain out - I've camped in the snow with it too and it
> was all fine.
>
> I thought it could be like a disposable tent and I could easily afford a
> new one when it fell to bits, but I've had it for 3 years now......
>
> love Mich
>
My mate Nick's got a Wild Country Voyager that was pretty spenny and
obviously high performance but small (having said that he only paid 80
quid for it from outside cos it'd been a demo at a show). He got pissed
off with this cos most of his camping was out of the car. He managed to
get one for thirty quid from Aldi. And it really is good, reasonably
strong with well located guy points, midge nets etc and an external door
that turns into a porch roof!
Smart.
Terar
Matt Schofield
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David Pinney
sj wrote in message <8wIFTFAs...@simonlaing.demon.co.uk>...
>Hi people,
>>I'll be using the tent for trips to Scotland in winter, >(and in Spring,
>and Summer, and Autumn!) and for climbing trips to Wales and France, and
>wherever, so it'll get used from wet, windy, (hopefully) snowy trips to
>the Ben in winter, and wet, windy trips to Llanberis in summer ;)
BTW What happened to the Glen Nevis TR?
David
Steve Gray
Ask him about Brimham last night instead :-)
I hear the York Uni lads may be you@rsey lurkers - if so, thanks for
getting me Friend back, mate.
JV Lilley
> Ask him about Brimham last night instead :-)
>
> I hear the York Uni lads may be you@rsey lurkers - if so, thanks for
> getting me Friend back, mate.
No problem!! Did you find your belay device?
John
(Esteemed president of YUMC.)
Steve Gray
>
>No problem!! Did you find your belay device?
Naah. Too dark and cold to climb back up and look for it - I reckon I
dropped it when I was mucking about setting up the abseil.
Vicki Portman
>
> JV Lilley <jvl...@york.ac.uk> said...
> >
> >No problem!! Did you find your belay device?
>
> Naah. Too dark and cold to climb back up and look for it - I reckon I
> dropped it when I was mucking about setting up the abseil.
so, er, Steve - where were you climbing last night??
FREEBIES!!!
Vicki
sj
<p.j.c...@dundee.ac.uk> writes
>a gear freak question? sounds like my cue! ;-)
>
>tents. They have been reported as being slightly more midge attracting
>than dull colours, and they make camping in "borderline" areas rather
>difficult, 'cause you can be spotted a mile off. Not that I'm
>advocating anything of the sort, you understand, but a nice dark green
>fly is a bit more unobtrusive when avoiding "tickets" in some places.
unnecessary for me. Having once woken up (after pitching in the dark at
11:30-ish) to a strict and red "No Camping" sign in Glen Nevis, I was
rather nervous about the red Saunders tent I was in. Incidentally, that
tent leaked that night. On my next visit to the Glen (again pitching in
the dark), a bog was resorted to in order to avoid the beautifully flat
camping spots underneath the signs. Perhaps not necessary next time out
with a discreet tent?
As an aside, why are the sites near the river out-of-bounds for camping?
>than Quasars, and I trust Saunders enough that the their recent Mountain
>Trek may be worth a look too. And it'll probably be a shade lighter.
>Macpac do some nice tents too.
I dislike the Saunders because it leaked on both of my visits to the
Glen (once through the ground sheet from the word go, not asking too
much of tents to have a waterproof ground-sheet am I?).
>All Rab owners I know (many) are happy ones. Same with ME (though I
>wish I'd got a Snowline and not an Iceline, 'cause it's too bloody hot).
I do like the ME stuff, but we don't stock it, (short sighted boss? shh!
I didn't say that!)
>Scotland in winter I'd look at the Ladakh 800, which seems to be the
>"standard" down bag for the job.
just worried about a too-warm bag for the rest of the time, and it's
quite a bit heavier - but then again, I don't want to freeze!
Perhaps I can put pressure on the boss re: ME, I like the look of the
Lightline, almost as warm (if you believe what they say) as the Ladakh
800, but 2/3 the weight of the Rab bag.
>Very well, for about 3 years.
aha! down it is then.
Thanks very much for the valued advice.
Si
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sj
<chp...@sheffield.ac.uk_Blox> writes
>Here is the solution to your problem:
>You go to the uni taking all the family gear for a term. Then they feel
>obliged to get a all set of new gear. You come back at chritsmas with
>the old kit, give it back and take the new one away! Bingo! new gear for
>free!
>Then with all the money you saved you can go in lots of week end and
>drink loads of beer.
>
>HTH
>
>A.-
good idea, BUT already thought of by my cunning step-sister (she went
one better and disappeared to America with a tent and Rucksack and
thermarest and....) Been told in no uncertain terms that I may NOT
borrow gear when I'm not living at home.
nice try though!
any other hints to reduce university expenditure Club treasurer appears
a good one ;)
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sj
<david.pin...@virgin.net> writes
>BTW What happened to the Glen Nevis TR?
>David
wasn't too exciting , no epics, no falls - although my climbing partner
did drop two wires when leading 30m above me, one landed about 4m to my
left, the other skimmed my helmet, he didn't even know that he'd dropped
them, and I couldn't see him to see the wires falling because of a
slight overhang :/ It doesn't have to be you who fucks up to make use
of a helmet...... - beautiful climbing though. Didn't leave Polldubh,
and bottled the solo of the E3 5c on Styx buttress. Hmm, warming to
this TR business.....
thanks for the information by the way.
Si
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sj
<St...@wcompsys.XXXdemon.co.uk> writes
>Ask him about Brimham last night instead :-)
a mini Epic by Steve who actually chose the lead.
I wisely selected a 2 star chimney, lovely climb, lovely exit, I placed
too much gear.
Went on to try Frensis direct, but my hands got far too cold at the top,
and I had to escape left (started to get very worried, and doubt the
placements). Lovely climb, fantastic holds, better jams, bomber
placements, well worth the stars in the book; the rock was just too
damned cold!
>I hear the York Uni lads may be you@rsey lurkers - if so, thanks for
>getting me Friend back, mate.
(from half way up Frensis, which I placed, and Steve failed to reach :P)
well you brought it up!
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Steve Gray
>so, er, Steve - where were you climbing last night??
Cannon Rock, Brimham. If you find it, it's yours.
Steve Gray
>>getting me Friend back, mate.
>(from half way up Frensis, which I placed, and Steve failed to reach :P)
Total bollocks, mate. I got the one you left on Frensis, by abseil -
John got the one you put in Majola after you slunk off to the left :-)
Don't let him fool you about the first route, guys and gals - there's
nothing wrong with HKT that a good chainsaw wouldn't fix.
sj
<St...@wcompsys.XXXdemon.co.uk> writes
>Total bollocks, mate. I got the one you left on Frensis, by abseil -
>John got the one you put in Majola after you slunk off to the left :-)
like a little baby off the crag, not leaving me enough time to collect
the gear off to the left (hard traverse that, none of this slinking)
before John got there, and then took so long to climb the dif at the
back that I ended up shivering in my exposed position, and was too cold
to be comfortable on the ab to collect the cam, so you did it, but only
with prussic loops and a belay.
>Don't let him fool you about the first route, guys and gals - there's
>nothing wrong with HKT that a good chainsaw wouldn't fix.
yeah, it's a lovely, scenic route that follows a diagonal crack to the
crux, a mantle through a holly bush. But malc should have the skill to
get past that with no bother <grin>
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Steve Gray
>In article <2Tao8EAvp$S3E...@wcompsys.demon.co.uk>, Steve Gray
><St...@wcompsys.XXXdemon.co.uk> goes fishing for Laings...
>>Total bollocks, mate. I got the one you left on Frensis, by abseil -
>>John got the one you put in Majola after you slunk off to the left :-)
>only 'cos you dithered, then wimped out and had to be lowered,
Snigger. This part at least is true. The dithering was primarily due to
the prospect of retrieving a well jammed Rockcentric. Finally found
somebody who's nastier to seconds than me ! The wimping and lowering
I'll take credit for.
>crying
>like a little baby off the crag,
Not really. I'd warned you in advance I'd try and second anything that
didn't involve an unprotected traverse, but no, you had to get all
creative and make up a new route...
>not leaving me enough time to collect
>the gear off to the left (hard traverse that, none of this slinking)
So hard that you chose it instead of finishing Frensis, at 5a ? You
hardman, you ;-)
[DISCLAIMER: All charges of hypocrisy levelled at me for that one, are
patently true, so don't bother. My hardest lead to date is a 4c]
>before John got there, and then took so long to climb the dif at the
>back
I didn't have me soloing head on, so it took me a good five minutes. The
rest of the time, I was drinking coffee and enjoying being warm at the
bottom :-)
>that I ended up shivering in my exposed position,
Whine, whine, whine. You'd think it was cold or summat. It's only a
boulder - not like you were sat on the top of Scafell. Sheesh, kids
today don't know they're born. When I were a lad, we used to make our
own campfires, none of this namby-pamby stove stuff (sorry, wrong
newsgroup)
>and was too cold
>to be comfortable on the ab to collect the cam, so you did it, but only
>with prussic loops and a belay.
The prusiks were, however, hanging off the back of my harness once I'd
talked you into belaying me. And I suppose since I was dozy enough to
let you use my cams on the lead, I had to go and get it.
>>Don't let him fool you about the first route, guys and gals - there's
>>nothing wrong with HKT that a good chainsaw wouldn't fix.
>yeah, it's a lovely, scenic route that follows a diagonal crack to the
>crux, a mantle through a holly bush.
Only until I get hold of said tool of arboreal surgery.
>But malc should have the skill to
>get past that with no bother <grin>
Trouble is, if I don't get him up there soon, you won't be able to find
the crag for the bleedin' tree. Actually it was me that was bleedin'...
Andrew Stock
<s...@myhouse.com> writes
>snip
>>
>As an aside, why are the sites near the river out-of-bounds for camping?
>
>>than Quasars, and I trust Saunders enough that the their recent Mountain
>>Trek may be worth a look too. And it'll probably be a shade lighter.
>>Macpac do some nice tents too.
>I dislike the Saunders because it leaked on both of my visits to the
>Glen (once through the ground sheet from the word go, not asking too
>much of tents to have a waterproof ground-sheet am I?).
>
old Oddessey 400 inner to Vango due to a leaking groundsheet. Its had
relatively light use and initially the retailer suggested I use a pvc
type extra groundsheet first to stop the problem and apply new
waterproofing to the base of the inner.
Water permeable groundsheet as standard ? There's a selling strategy to
grapple with. Needless to say a new inner is on its way.
--
Andrew Stock
JV Lilley
> In article <tGi+5iAO...@wcompsys.demon.co.uk>, Steve Gray
> <St...@wcompsys.XXXdemon.co.uk> writes
> >Ask him about Brimham last night instead :-)
<SNIP>
> placements). Lovely climb, fantastic holds, better jams, bomber
> placements, well worth the stars in the book; the rock was just too
> damned cold!
Too cold!! It was perfect temperature, fantastic friction and not even
slightly cold.
> >I hear the York Uni lads may be you@rsey lurkers - if so, thanks for
> >getting me Friend back, mate.
> (from half way up Frensis, which I placed, and Steve failed to reach :P)
NUT RESCUE strikes again. This particular rescue could even be featured in
the mini series as part of our video. SOFT ROCK! ;-)
John.
(Off to thrash our gear sec. for nicking a club rope for the weekend,
naughty boy!!)
JV Lilley
> In article <2Tao8EAvp$S3E...@wcompsys.demon.co.uk>, Steve Gray
> <St...@wcompsys.XXXdemon.co.uk> writes
> the gear off to the left (hard traverse that, none of this slinking)
HARD?? mmmmmmm... unless the jugs on the bit I didn't do weren't really
there and just a product of my imagination.... :-P
Allan Rae
sj <s...@myhouse.com> wrote in message
> YOU ARE A CHILD OF THE UNIVERSE, NO LESS THAN THE TREES & THE STARS; YOU
HAVE A
> RIGHT TO BE HERE. AND WHETHER OR NOT IT IS CLEAR TO YOU, NO DOUBT THE
UNIVERSE
> IS UNFOLDING AS IT SHOULD.
> sorry for the 5 line sig
At last, someone who has read Max Erhmann!
Go vertically upon the lime and grit,
and remember what joy there is in climbing,
As far as possible without false bravado
climb to your limit, enjoy what you do.
Tell of your routes quietly and listen to others,
even the sport climbers and merkins, for they too have their
epics.
Avoid grounders and whippers,
for they are hurtful to the body
Watch Hard Grit too often and you may become obsessive and bitter,
for always there will be bigger and better climbers than
yourself.
Enjoy your top-outs as well as your epics,
keep interested in you@rsey for however humble your story it is
welcome in our group.
Excersise caution in your belay buddies,
for the world is full of dickheads.
But let this not scare you to the merits of those you meet,
many persons have no intention of soloing E routes and
everywhere life is a precious thing.
Be yourself, especially do not be overconfident.
Neither be cynical about V. Diffs.
For in the face of the fear that screws up your climbing,
they are as healing as a plastercast.
Take kindly the beating of the falls,
gracefully surrendering the routes of youth.
Nurture the strength of arm to crank in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with imaginings
Many fears are born of fatigue,
and thinking too much.
Beyond cheesegrating your limbs, be gentle with yourself,
for breaks take longer to heal and prevent you from climbing,
You have a right to wander, the government say so,
and whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the route is
unfolding as it should
therefore be as one with the rock,
whatever grade you climb
and no matter your ticklist and views on bolting,
at the crux of the climb keep peace with your sanity.
With all its PUFFS(tm), pink lycra and popped tendons,
it is still a wonderful sport,
Be careful.
Strive to climb E8.
Max Ehrmann ( With an bit of help from Al. [ 6^) )
Note for Uncultured Heathens and Ant.
Original called Desiderata (sp?)
First line "Go placidly amidst the noise and haste and remember what peace
there may be in silence"
If you have never read it, look it up cos it's brill!
Peter Clinch
> I dislike the Saunders because it leaked on both of my visits to the
> Glen (once through the ground sheet from the word go, not asking too
> much of tents to have a waterproof ground-sheet am I?).
Fair reason to be wary, but on the other hand everyone makes a Lemon
from time to time, be it the material supplier or Friday Afternoon at
the tentmakers. I've never had a leak in 10 years' regular use,
groundsheet or fly.
> just worried about a too-warm bag for the rest of the time, and it's
> quite a bit heavier - but then again, I don't want to freeze!
> Perhaps I can put pressure on the boss re: ME, I like the look of the
> Lightline, almost as warm (if you believe what they say) as the Ladakh
> 800, but 2/3 the weight of the Rab bag.
Just as everyone's ideas of what constitutes a given size seems to vary,
ditto sleeping bag ratings. For my personal "happy sleep temperature"
I'd say Rab's are on the mark to pessimistic, while ME are slightly
optimistic. *Very* subjective though: I don't spend time testing
different bags to check for sure. At the L800 level you can always just
use it as a quilt in summer, though the next one up even that's too
hot. Reason I chose the ME over the Rab was the water resistant shell,
which Rab didn't have at the time (don't know if they do or not now),
but both are excellent bags.
You can always use a 1 season liner to boost a lightline, but that'll
take up more space in the bag, and if you have climbing gear and a 4
season tent too, then space will be at a premium.
Arnaud
<huge snip>
Al,
I think this sig file is a tad too long to post on this NG.
HTH
A.-
J.F.M. Chivall
>any other hints to reduce university expenditure Club treasurer appears
>a good one ;)
Or club gear secretary - although having 15 pairs of crampons and 15 helmets
behind your sofa can be irritating at times, but at least you're never short
of gear when you need it. Works for me :)
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"Rock Music must give birth to Orgasm and Revolution. . . Smash those filthy records; get rid of them."
Craigenty
You definately are a gear freak. 18 years old and working in a climbing shop.
You dont need gear! Its far important to get the basics out of the way first,
er like , learning to climb! Also, the very fact that you know the difference
between a rab hyper extra hot bag and a south face nuptse -100 is very very
sad. Take a blanket off your bed, far cheaper!
See ya
Mr. Tiny Biceps
Sean O.
Craigenty wrote in message....
It may be a bit trainspottery, but all things considered if we must have
pimply adolescents selling us gear, I'd much prefer them to know all about
the stuff than not have a clue. (cf the 18 year-olds who work in any other
kind of shop. ;^)
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sj
etethisbiT.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>Craigenty wrote in message....
>> Well well, You definately are a gear freak. 18 years old and working
>>in a climbing shop.
in addition to the good pay, there's the staff discount, the relaxed
environment, and the good people who are shopping to advise and chat to,
what more could I want from a temporary job?
alas, it's all come to an end, and I'm off to uni, after a summer of
friends, Wales, the Lakes, Scotland and France :) (and a bit of Grit if
I can find the time)
>> You dont need gear!
Contrary to popular speculation ( ;) ) I'm not a bare-footed 6c soloing
god, and as a consequence prefer to use a harness, rock boots,
protection, quick draws to clip my rope into and a rucksack to carry the
resultant clinking caboodle in... in addition, I lack the requisite Zen
harmony with nature to prevent the rain and sub-zero temperatures found
in the Glens from affecting me, hence the desire for an effective tent
and sleeping bag.
The alternative, climbing only in a climbing wall doesn't really bear
thinking about. (Not meant to cause offence to those who do find solace
only on plastic (climbing is after all for all, and for whatever they
can get out of it), but as far as I'm concerned, the walls are for
Winter when there's no weekday daylight or when the weather is nasty -
though, having said that, I can see the benefit for the poor, God-
forsaken southerners)
>>Its far important to get the basics out of the way first, er like ,
>>learning to climb!
This supposes that I don't know how to climb, but your argument (such as
it is, perhaps more apt to call it bait) dies when you realise that,
golly-gosh, I can climb. (shut your face Steve)
>>Also, the very fact that you know the difference between a rab hyper
>>extra hot bag and a south face nuptse -100 is very very sad.
now that was a WELL below par attempt to draw me!
>>Take a blanket off your bed, far cheaper!
Far better to take a towel, don't you think? not only could I use it as
a blanket, but I could dry myself off after I get wet from the lack of a
tent.
> if we must have pimply adolescents selling us gear
so we've met? ;)
>--
>Sean O(ld fart?)
>~~~~~~~~~
sorry to be a pedant (no, really, I am), but your sigstep thingy should
have a space after it ([-- ] rather than [--]) then the sig gets
stripped from replies by newsreaders. Although I believe that the ever
common-sensical Microsoft have disallowed this in OE.
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s...@talk21.com
this ain't real life, life's real life.
Steve Gray
>I'd much, much rather work in a climbing shop than be stacking shelves -
>in addition to the good pay, there's the staff discount, the relaxed
>environment, and the good people who are shopping to advise and chat to,
>what more could I want from a temporary job?
Well, you could have me barred so I don't keep sneaking in to read the
guidebooks without paying for them.
>The alternative, climbing only in a climbing wall doesn't really bear
>thinking about. (Not meant to cause offence to those who do find solace
>only on plastic (climbing is after all for all, and for whatever they
>can get out of it),
Stop being so politically correct. Call a rat a rat :-)
>This supposes that I don't know how to climb, but your argument (such as
>it is, perhaps more apt to call it bait) dies when you realise that,
>golly-gosh, I can climb.
Weeellll.....
> (shut your face Steve)
You climb better than me, but I wouldn't bother mentioning that when you
go for your MIA ;-)
>sorry to be a pedant
Liar.
> (no, really, I am),
You owe me a few more pints before I can nominate you to the Order, but
this is a good first step.
Michael Riches
<St...@wcompsys.XXXdemon.co.uk> wrote:
<SNIP>
>Stop being so politically correct. Call a rat a rat :-)
>Steve Gray
>Remove XXX to email me.
Hey now.....I resemble that remark.....
The Rockrat
Steve Gray
>
>Hey now.....I resemble that remark.....
Sorry, Mike, I realise you're only rodentically challenged in a
geologically dysfunctional way.
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Michael Riches
<St...@wcompsys.XXXdemon.co.uk> wrote:
Yea, I know.... has something to do with the luck of the draw, but that's
alright I've accepted my fate and learned to live with it (majestic
sandstone towers and walls that that rival the the best anywhere, limestone
of the best quality and granite galore.....hard to be humble :-) ). And
besides that I don't know how many people have given my ass away ( or is
that arse over here?)
Cheers
The Rockrat (but then again maybe most people really don't give a rats
ass...... hard to say.)