Tata named favourite for Jaguar and Land Rover

[Mike Cawood, HND BIT]

The Indian group set to unveil "the cheapest car in the world" next week is
front runner to buy Ford's luxury marques.
Remember this company brought you the CityRover aka Tata Indica - described
by "Top Gear" as the "worst car they had ever driven" and as they had driven
Ladas and Trabants, that's saying something.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article3126844.ece
Regards Mike.

[Mark W]

"Mike Cawood, HND BIT" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:5u4igqF...@mid.individual.net...

Tata would probably say that James May is the worst TV presenter they had
ever seen on Top Gear. Or, Top Gear is the worst TV programme they had ever
seen on the BBC. That's also saying something!

[Eeyore]

That's Jaguar and Land Rover screwed then !

Graham

[SteveH]

Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why?

They're a huge industrial conglomerate - the Tata car making business is
just a tiny part of what they do - this is the company that bought Corus
(formerly British Steel), Tetley Tea and are, as I recall, have one of
the biggest steel pressing plants in the world.

They can invest the money and make the business work, whilst the British
employess can do what they do best - designing class leading cars.

--
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[Elder]

In article <477E9066...@hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com says...

> That's Jaguar and Land Rover screwed then !
>

Or maybe better screwed together.
--
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

[Pete M]

Accompanied by the sound of a chisel on slate
Elder,<carl....@bouncing-czechs.com> managed to produce the
following words of wisdom

> In article <477E9066...@hotmail.com>,
> rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com says...
>> That's Jaguar and Land Rover screwed then !
>>
> Or maybe better screwed together.

The current shape Range Rover seems to be pretty well screwed together.
Other than a weakness with the front diffs, they seem pretty bloody good.

The current XJs are as well made as anything else you can buy.

--
Pete M - OMF#9
"Save your breath for cooling your porridge!
W&P Range Rover V8 Turbo
Scorpio Ultima 24v

[Eeyore]

Elder wrote:

> rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > That's Jaguar and Land Rover screwed then !
> >
> Or maybe better screwed together.

Ever been inside an Indian factory ? It makes BL look like perfection.
You would not believe the stuff they got up to. One of the things they
did was akin to hammering screws in.

Graham

[Eeyore]

Elder wrote:

> rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > That's Jaguar and Land Rover screwed then !
> >
> Or maybe better screwed together.

Ever been inside an Indian factory ? It makes BL look like perfection.

[Eeyore]

SteveH wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > "Mike Cawood, HND BIT" wrote:
> >
> > > The Indian group set to unveil "the cheapest car in the world" next week
> > > is front runner to buy Ford's luxury marques. Remember this company
> > > brought you the CityRover aka Tata Indica - described by "Top Gear" as
> > > the "worst car they had ever driven" and as they had driven Ladas and
> > > Trabants, that's saying something.
> > > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineer
> > > ing/article3126844.ece
> >
> > That's Jaguar and Land Rover screwed then !
>
> Why?

Let's say I've seen the corners the Indians are prepared to cut.

Graham

[Now in San Diego]

On Jan 4, 10:35 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Elder wrote:
> > rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com says...

The last JD Power report I saw (a year ago?) had LR below average, so
maybe we should let the Indians have a go.
Of course, you might be able to outbid them and take it off Fords
hands yourself.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <477dd60f$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,
Mark W <s@o> wrote:

The City Rover might have been ok for some if sold at a suitable price.
But like all other Rover products of that time they seemed to think the
name worth a premium.

--
*I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore I am perfect*

Dave Plowman da...@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Silk]

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:37:21 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

> Let's say I've seen the corners the Indians are prepared to cut.

Same here. The poppadoms at my local take-away seem much smaller these
days and I'm sure they use far too much mono-sodium glutamate.

[Elder]

In article <477F2544...@hotmail.com>,
rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com says...

> One of the things they
> did was akin to hammering screws in.
>

At least that would involve screws, when they said the rangie classic
was well nailed together, they meant it.

[Chris Bartram]

SteveH wrote:
> whilst the British
> employess can do what they do best - designing class leading cars.
>
>

[snigger]

[Hiram B Culpeper]

"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1ia7kq5.1eymw33pxg3tqN%st...@italiancar.co.uk...

> Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Why?
>
> They're a huge industrial conglomerate - the Tata car making business is
> just a tiny part of what they do - this is the company that bought Corus
> (formerly British Steel), Tetley Tea and are, as I recall, have one of
> the biggest steel pressing plants in the world.
>
> They can invest the money and make the business work, whilst the British
> employess can do what they do best - designing class leading cars.
>

The only think that British workers are good for is skyving off sick, what's
the matter with you?

[Andy Tucker]

Let's think of some of the cars from the recent past designed in
Britain then...

Mk1 Ford Focus
L322 Range Rover
Mk1 BMW MINI
Jaguar XJ X350
Jaguar XK X150

That's just ones I can think of from the top of my head, and pretty
much all of them were/are class leading in their respective segments.

[John]

"Elder" <carl....@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21e9be9a9...@news.individual.net...

The quality of a modern car owes most to the design of the car, the design
of the tooling, the production line and its maintenance. Modern production
tries to do away with human intervention as this introduces variation.

With this in mind though, I can't see why there isn't more car production in
the UK - but then again it is better to have production close to the demand
to reduce distribution costs. India is a growing market.

[Now in San Diego]

On Jan 7, 1:58 pm, "John" <john.plant90nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Elder" <carl.rob...@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.21e9be9a9...@news.individual.net...
>
> > In article <477F2544.5E19D...@hotmail.com>,
> > rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com says...

> >> One of the things they
> >> did was akin to hammering screws in.
>
> > At least that would involve screws, when they said the rangie classic
> > was well nailed together, they meant it.
> > --
> > Carl Robson
> > Audio stream:http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
> > Homepage:http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
>
> The quality of a modern car owes most to the design of the car, the design
> of the tooling, the production line and its maintenance. Modern production
> tries to do away with human intervention as this introduces variation.
>
> With this in mind though, I can't see why there isn't more car production in
> the UK - but then again it is better to have production close to the demand
> to reduce distribution costs. India is a growing market.

Nissan was doing quite well in Washigton (T&W), then Renault took
over, hurting the employee relations and quality dropped. That's the
way I heard it. Is it true?