Speed Camera's on the A14.

David Clark

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Mar 17, 2002, 8:20:36 AM3/17/02

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I had occaison to use the A14 yesterday, from Cambridge to the M1/M6
junction.

I was surprised to see "facing" speed camera's on the Cambridge -
Huntindon section.

Are these cameras for speed detection or are they part of a
traffic-flow measuring system?

David C.

Marc[uk]

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Mar 17, 2002, 10:33:21 AM3/17/02

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I took the A14 last week for the first time on my route from the West
Midlands to Norwich and noticed the same cameras (but had been forewarned).

They are indeed for speed detection and as they are armed with infra-red
lighting, the first you know about being "flashed" is when the NIP arrives
in the post.

Marc[uk]

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Lordy

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Mar 17, 2002, 12:27:30 PM3/17/02

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Truvelo speed detection cameras, I have a feeling they're going to become
more and more popular as time progresses. Forward facing for a nice
mugshot, and an infra red flash so you won't even know you've been
caught.

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Tim S Kemp

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Mar 17, 2002, 12:28:11 PM3/17/02

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> Are these cameras for speed detection or are they part of a
> traffic-flow measuring system?

Speed.

Neveryoumind

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Mar 17, 2002, 7:03:23 PM3/17/02

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> David Clark <david....@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Are these cameras for speed detection
>

> Yes.
>
Oh shit.......12 days and counting.......

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David Clark

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Mar 19, 2002, 12:28:42 AM3/19/02

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Thanks for info.
A point, how do they identify a motorcycle, (number-plate only at
rear.)?

Point 2, why are they unstalled on this stretch of the A14, it's
generally too busy with trucks to drive much over 70 mph?
The section from the A1 to the M1 is "much" faster but ISTR
no cameras at all on that stretch.

David C.

David Thornber

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Mar 19, 2002, 10:09:00 AM3/19/02

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In article <3c96ca37...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>, David Clark
<david....@blueyonder.co.uk> writes

>A point, how do they identify a motorcycle, (number-plate only at
>rear.)?
>

They don't, and I'm pretty sure some motorists have (probably
unsuccessfully) tried to use this as a defence against prosecution (i.e.
it being unfair discrimination against car drivers.)

>Point 2, why are they unstalled on this stretch of the A14, it's
>generally too busy with trucks to drive much over 70 mph?
>The section from the A1 to the M1 is "much" faster but ISTR
>no cameras at all on that stretch.
>

The scenario is that you're stuck behind a truck in the outside lane
that's supposedly overtaking another, when both drivers are flat-out at
their 56mph limit. Neither driver will back off the gas, and the
manoeuvre winds up taking several minutes and several miles.

But when the manoeuvre is finally completed (and don't ask me how it
ever happens, because I don't understand it myself) you're usually left
with a clear stretch of road, at least until you meet up with the same
situation again. The temptation is to put your foot down and exceed the
speed limit in order to get your average speed somewhere close to the
65-70mph that you'd expect to be doing. The point of the cameras is to
either (a) deter you from doing 90+ in order to achieve this or (b)
generate a load of revenue from the people who do 90+ in order to
achieve this.

Delete (a) or (b) according to the degree of cynicism that you currently
hold for UK speed enforcement policy <g>!

BTW: I've done this run a couple of times over the last fortnight, and
I'm pretty sure that there are cameras on the A14 stretch between the A1
and M1 as well.

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Big Mc

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Mar 19, 2002, 2:01:30 PM3/19/02

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There are definitely cameras near to Kettering, if I remember correctly they
have painted them blue which makes people think they are traffic master
devices instead of speed cameras.

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Paul Giverin

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Mar 19, 2002, 5:44:31 PM3/19/02

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In article <yJ66uJAM...@ndirect.co.uk>, David Thornber
<nos...@thornber.co.uk> writes

>In article <3c96ca37...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>, David Clark
><david....@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>>A point, how do they identify a motorcycle, (number-plate only at
>>rear.)?
>>
>They don't, and I'm pretty sure some motorists have (probably
>unsuccessfully) tried to use this as a defence against prosecution (i.e.
>it being unfair discrimination against car drivers.)
>

I'm by no means "anti-speed camera" but I do actually feel that they
should be capable of catching all speeding vehicles and as such, the
forward facing ones are discriminatory.

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RickN

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Mar 20, 2002, 8:43:57 AM3/20/02

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Yes, there are two Truvelo cameras near Kettering, one on each
carriageway and still painted blue (I thought they were meant to be
yellow by now...)
The one on the westbound carriageway is just past the Wellingborough
junction and the one on the eastbound carriageway is just past the
Northampton junction. Both are just after bridges and tricky to spot
until you are nearly up to them.
They can't catch motorcycles (I sometimes wave as I sail by), and they
do flash (red, but not very bright) - trigger speed is around 85mph
(but may have changed recently...)

Richard.

daniel mcgill

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Mar 20, 2002, 11:10:12 AM3/20/02

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Hi

There's an orange and yellow painted camera on the A505 coming up to
Stopsley outside Luton - which is a grand idea compared to painting
them blue which will rightly confuse people and may cause more
collisions as people make up their minds whether or not to slow down.
I just don't take any chances and use the GPS tracking device from
origin blue i (www.originblue.com), afterall no one will be a safe
driver, no matter at what speed, if they don't look any further than a
few feet away from the front of their bonnet.
Cheers
Dan

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Tim S Kemp

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Mar 20, 2002, 1:30:20 PM3/20/02

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I noticed coming north on the A1 yesterday a 30 limited section with a
camera hidden behind a bridge tower...

David Clark

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Mar 21, 2002, 5:00:24 AM3/21/02

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Just what are the trigger speeds for Speed Camera's?
If there is a tolerance, is it a %age of the local speed limit, or can
it vary according to the local authority, police force, etc?

David C.

Pete Smith

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Mar 21, 2002, 9:26:49 AM3/21/02

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In article <3c99b051...@news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
david....@blueyonder.co.uk says...

I think that the limit is set by the installer (whoever that may be).
This limit is AFAIK, entirely up to whoever is having it installed. I
heard one rumour of one of the 1st speed cameras being put up in
Liverpool, set to 35 in a 30. It was supposed to last several months,
but was full by the end of the day. They had to raise the threshold on
the camera just so that they didn't have to replace the film on a daily
basis.

Pete.

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Lordy

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Mar 21, 2002, 3:09:57 PM3/21/02

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> Just what are the trigger speeds for Speed Camera's?

Variable, depending on how mean the person who sets the camera up is.

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