How to start a car without starter. Is it possible to do?
gen
Expert will say, probably, yes! Just insert the key, turn the transmission
on and push the car. I thought so until recently when starter was broken. In
my experience it worked OK with old cars (60-70th), but with automatic
transmission which I have on Nissan Sentra 1995 it does NOT work!
And I'm wondering why?
How know the secret of starting a car with automatic transmission, when a
starter does not work please advise!
Adrian
:
> How to start a car without starter. Is it possible to do?
> Expert will say, probably, yes!
No "probably" about it. Yes.
> Just insert the key, turn the transmission on and push the car.
Or roll it down a hill. Either way, you put it in second gear, get a bit of
speed up, and release the clutch.
> I thought so until recently when
> starter was broken. In my experience it worked OK with old cars
> (60-70th),
Works fine with new cars too...
> but with automatic transmission
But not with *any* car with an autobox.
> which I have on Nissan Sentra 1995 it does NOT work! And I'm wondering
> why?
Because it's got an autobox.
> How know the secret of starting a car with automatic transmission,
> when a starter does not work please advise!
You have no option but to use the starter.
Or dump the car and buy one with a manual box.
mrcheerful .
"gen" <g...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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Some automatics can be started by towing at quite a high speed (35 mph or
so) but I have never tried it. I do not know whether your vehicle would
start with a high speed tow.
Why not just get the starter fixed and fit it in situ?
mrcheerful
Grunff
It's nothing to do with the age - the fact that it's an auto box means
that in order to get the torque convertor to turn the engine over you
need to be doing quite a high speed. This is true of both old cars and
new cars (as long as they have a torque convertor). Push starting autos
has never been an option.
--
Grunff
Dave Plowman (News)
Grunff <gru...@ixxa.com> wrote:
> It's nothing to do with the age - the fact that it's an auto box means
> that in order to get the torque convertor to turn the engine over you
> need to be doing quite a high speed. This is true of both old cars and
> new cars (as long as they have a torque convertor). Push starting autos
> has never been an option.
I'm afraid you're all wrong.;-)
To engage drive in an auto requires hydraulic pressure - that's the way
the various clutches work. And on pretty well all autos, the pump which
produces that pressure is engine driven - so no engine, no drive.
However, many early autos had *two* pumps - one driven by the engine, one
by the propshaft, so you could bump start those.
The advice was to push start them with another car - tow them and there's
a good chance it would run into the back of the tow car when it started.
You'll sometimes see this in old American films.
The last UK car I know for certain that you could push start was the P6
Rover 2000 with the BW 35 transmission. But not the 3500 with nominally
the same unit - they removed the rear pump to allow room for beefier gears
to handle the greater torque.
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Guy King
from Adrian <spam...@achapman.freeisp.co.uk> contains these words:
> > but with automatic transmission
> But not with *any* car with an autobox.
Not quite true.
The reason most auto boxes won't let you start the engine is that their
oil pumps are on the input shaft - which ain't turning. Until you can
get the input shaft to turn, which unless you've taken it all apart
means starting the engine you can't get enough oil pressure to get the
clutches to engage and connect the wheels to the engine. This is also
why you shouldn't tow an auto far or fast - there's no oil flow to
protect it.
However - a very few auto boxes have pumps on both the input shaft and
the output shaft - which means that you can raise enough oil pressure to
get the gearbox to drive the engine and thus start it.
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Mark W
I've seen a few people trying to push start a car with an almost flat
battery, they do it like this:
Get a friend or two pushing the car, then when it's got up to speed, turn
the key..... and keep turning it...
Guy King
from "Mark W" <s@o> contains these words:
> Get a friend or two pushing the car, then when it's got up to speed, turn
> the key..... and keep turning it...
I've lost count of how many times I've seen that.
Almost as bad is people giving jumpstarts how connect the leads then rev
the nuts off the donor engine for ten minutes.
Mungo "two sheds" Toadfoot
Heh. Presumably whilst still in neutral?
I had to explain to a woman (sorry women, but it was) how to bump start her
car recently.
"Into 2nd gear...I'll push the car...when I say "NOW" lift the clutch, ok?"
"Ok"
I go behind the car to push and notice there's no lights on the dash. Back
to her.
"Oh, does it need to be switched on?
"Yes"
Whirr click.
"No, just to the second pos..." Whirrrr clickclickclick
"I'll do it"
Back behind the car, heeeeeave. Back round to her..."You have to take the
handbrake off"
"Oh, ok then"
Back round, heeeeeeeave....brake lights are on.
"And the footbrake"
"Oh, ok"
"Heeeeeeeeave...NOW!!"
Nothing.
"NOW!!!!!"
"Eh?"
"NOW!!!!!!!!"
"Oh, ok"
Si
Adrian
they were saying :
>> Get a friend or two pushing the car, then when it's got up to speed,
>> turn the key..... and keep turning it...
> I've lost count of how many times I've seen that.
I've been on the pushing side of that once. Just once...
> Almost as bad is people giving jumpstarts how connect the leads then
> rev the nuts off the donor engine for ten minutes.
Not "revving the nuts", but a few revs will certainly help - most charging
circuits don't put much above 12.5v out until a few revs are on, with full
14.5v not until about 1500rpm or so.
You need those couple of extra volts to get past the drop in the cables.
In addition, leaving 'em connected and enough revs on for a few minutes can
certainly help if the battery on the jumpee is *very* flat, especially if
there's electronics in the ignition/fuel on the jumpee.
Guy King
from Adrian <spam...@achapman.freeisp.co.uk> contains these words:
> Not "revving the nuts", but a few revs will certainly help - most charging
> circuits don't put much above 12.5v out until a few revs are on, with full
> 14.5v not until about 1500rpm or so.
Exactly - but you see people with their pedal to the metal with the poor
engine screaming in torment.
> You need those couple of extra volts to get past the drop in the cables.
You must have some very thin jumpleads if you get a couple of volts drop
in them. Even when the victim's cranking I'd not expect that sort of
drop - certainly not in my thick-as-your-finger leads. Certainly I
rarely attempt to start a car down the jump leads anyway - just leave
'em connected for few minutes on a fast idle and the recipient's battery
is warmed up and lively enough to do the job largely on its own.
SimonJ
her
Been there, done that, except in my case it was a bloke.
Explained how to start it, set it all up for him, in gear, ign on etc, told
him I would shout when he was to take his foot of the clutch.
Started pushing, got speed up shouted 'foot off'.
Nothing.........
Shouted again, 'foot off'.
Still nothing......
Getting pretty tired by now.
Shouted again, very loudly, 'FOOT OFF'
Still nothing.
Except for the fact that the car park suddenly became eerily silent, as
every other person there turned to stare at me......
Wondering why there was a madman pushing a car around the car park, telling
the driver to f*** off!
DuncanWood
16mm2 jump lead drops 1mV per Amp per metre, so your lead drops going to
be 0.5V-1V but the spring clamps tend to be crap so you can easily lose a
couple of volts by the time you've got to the starter.
Guy King
from DuncanWood <free...@dmx512.co.uk> contains these words:
> 16mm2 jump lead drops 1mV per Amp per metre,
But 16mm² is tiddly!
DuncanWood
> The message <opsabqmnm6kx08km@amy>
> from DuncanWood <free...@dmx512.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> 16mm2 jump lead drops 1mV per Amp per metre,
>
> But 16mm² is tiddly!
>
I know that, you know that but that's the biggest ones they tend to sell,
the cheap ones are 2.5mm3 to 4mm2. & for starting cars once you go over
35mm2 the clips are all that really matters. Landrovers are another story
:-(
dojj
to start (30 mph is the minimum needed to bump start a bus, but that's easy
because we used to push the broken one with another one, and as long as your
run up was great enough, it wasn't a problem :) )
"gen" <g...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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David Taylor
>> I had to explain to a woman (sorry women, but it was) how to bump start
> her
>> car recently...............
>
> Been there, done that, except in my case it was a bloke.
>
> Explained how to start it, set it all up for him, in gear, ign on etc, told
> him I would shout when he was to take his foot of the clutch.
>
> Started pushing, got speed up shouted 'foot off'.
> Nothing.........
> Except for the fact that the car park suddenly became eerily silent, as
> every other person there turned to stare at me......
> Wondering why there was a madman pushing a car around the car park, telling
> the driver to f*** off!
I had a few people looking oddly at me when I push started my own car
after leaving the lights on at the uni car park (the door open sensor
on the drivers door stopped working, so the interior light didn't come
on... and the you-left-your-lights-on-you-moron buzzer didn't work)...
The main problem was getting it out of the parking space (slightly up
hill), before giving it a bit of a shove down hill, and attempting not
to get run over whilst climbing in to my own moving car). Probably not
very safe, but it worked..
And of course, not one of the people looking oddly at me shoving a
Fiesta (thank god) up a slight incline bothered to ask if I needed any
help... Oh well..
--
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Dave Plowman (News)
Gareth A. <gar...@nospamplease-attrill.co.uk> wrote:
> I had to start a dead car on Friday (collecting a car from docks, it
> was 4pm and the docker was standing there tutting!) Not sure how much
> was in the battery but some £15 finger-thick jumpleads turned over a
> 3.8 Chevy V6 from an Audi A3.
It depends how flat the battery is. It might well be able to supply most
of the current needed, with the donor just topping it up.
If the battery is pretty flat, and you only have thin leads, use the donor
car to charge the battery for a while.
--
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Adrian
much like they were saying :
> I had to start a dead car on Friday (collecting a car from docks, it
> was 4pm and the docker was standing there tutting!) Not sure how much
> was in the battery but some £15 finger-thick jumpleads turned over a
> 3.8 Chevy V6 from an Audi A3.
"Jump box" - every home (that mucks about with cars) should have one.
I was dubious about their value before buying one at the Ally Pally classic
car show - it's a fairly cheesy one, only cost me £20 - but I'm sold - when
this one dies, I'll be investing in a better one, fersure.
Just clip it onto the battery, get in, start. No problems. Even my crappy
one's started cars with batteries so flat the oil light won't even come on.
Guy King
from " dojj" <n...@home.com> contains these words:
> needed to bump start a bus,
Talking of starting a bus - I was at Cricklewood bus garage once and
Frank showed me this amazing starter unit - it was a portable battery
pack about the size of a medium suitcase which effortlessly started a
bus with no other battery fitted. Must have been special low resistance
cells - they weren't big and they didn't last long but the cranking
power was startling.
Tim (Remove NOSPAM.
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16mm2 wouldnt run a hairdrier! Well you know what I mean, I wouldnt bother
trying if all I had was 16mm jump leads!
Tim..
Adrian
sounding much like they were saying :
> 16mm2 wouldnt run a hairdrier! Well you know what I mean, I wouldnt
> bother trying if all I had was 16mm jump leads!
You would if the alternative was a long walk home.
Guy King
from " Tim \(Remove NOSPAM." <the....@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> contains
these words:
> 16mm2 wouldnt run a hairdrier! Well you know what I mean, I wouldnt bother
> trying if all I had was 16mm jump leads!
What you can do with them is spend half an hour charging the flat.
Actually passing starting current down 'em is a waste of time.
A good set of leads will pass enough current to get a car going anyway.
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> How know the secret of starting a car with automatic transmission, when a
> starter does not work please advise!
An old fashioned starting handle would work! My dad rigged one for an Mazda
Montrose last year 'cos he couldn't be arsed to haul out and fix the starter
ring gear. He's a big lad so cranking the engine over in the morning wasn't
too much of a problem but I can think of better things to do...
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> The message <40e05...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
> from "Mark W" <s@o> contains these words:
>
> > Get a friend or two pushing the car, then when it's got up to speed,
turn
> > the key..... and keep turning it...
>
> I've lost count of how many times I've seen that.
>
> Almost as bad is people giving jumpstarts how connect the leads then rev
> the nuts off the donor engine for ten minutes.
The stupidest car-starting stunt I've ever seen was a lady trying to use the
can of EasiStart her husband had told her to get whilst smoking a cigarette
over the carburettor inlet.
I shouted a warning over my shoulder as I scarpered.
Grimly Curmudgeon
drugs began to take hold. I remember Adrian
<spam...@achapman.freeisp.co.uk> saying something like:
You could use 'em as a toaster and enjoy a nice hot buttered crumpet and
a cup of tea while waiting.
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Mike Tomlinson
<spam...@achapman.freeisp.co.uk> writes
>"Jump box" - every home (that mucks about with cars) should have one.
I'm curious about these things. What's in them that produces the
current needed to start the engine, and how come they're so cheap and
light?
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"Mike Tomlinson" <mi...@NOSPAM.jasper.org.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <Xns95174A0CADDE6ad...@130.133.1.4>, Adrian
> <spam...@achapman.freeisp.co.uk> writes
>
> >"Jump box" - every home (that mucks about with cars) should have one.
>
> I'm curious about these things. What's in them that produces the
> current needed to start the engine, and how come they're so cheap and
> light?
They have a motorcycle size battery in them
mrcheerful
Nick
." <nbk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >"Jump box" - every home (that mucks about with cars) should have one.
>>
>> I'm curious about these things. What's in them that produces the
>> current needed to start the engine, and how come they're so cheap and
>> light?
>
>They have a motorcycle size battery in them
I've never seen one as big as a motorcycle!
...I'll get my coat.
--Nick.
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Adrian
like they were saying :
>>"Jump box" - every home (that mucks about with cars) should have one.
> I'm curious about these things. What's in them that produces the
> current needed to start the engine,
Charger circuitry, and a small compressor.
> how come they're so cheap and light?
It's not exactly a big or good battery...
The one I've got claims 900 cranking amps, but it ain't going to last very
long with even a small discharge.
dojj
> from " dojj" <n...@home.com> contains these words:
>
> > needed to bump start a bus,
>
> Talking of starting a bus - I was at Cricklewood bus garage once and
> Frank showed me this amazing starter unit - it was a portable battery
> pack about the size of a medium suitcase which effortlessly started a
> bus with no other battery fitted. Must have been special low resistance
> cells - they weren't big and they didn't last long but the cranking
> power was startling.
>
not a problem :)
normally there is a hole in the steps on th eolder buses and on the drivers
side under a flap on the newer ones which you just plug the lead into and
fire her up
Guy King
from " dojj" <n...@home.com> contains these words:
> normally there is a hole in the steps on th eolder buses and on the drivers
> side under a flap on the newer ones which you just plug the lead into and
> fire her up
That's the one.
Steve Walker
> SimonJ <m...@mine.net> wrote on Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:33:12 +0000 (UTC):
>>> I had to explain to a woman (sorry women, but it was) how to bump start
>> her
>>> car recently...............
>>
>> Been there, done that, except in my case it was a bloke.
>>
>> Explained how to start it, set it all up for him, in gear, ign on etc, told
>> him I would shout when he was to take his foot of the clutch.
>>
>> Started pushing, got speed up shouted 'foot off'.
>> Nothing.........
> [snip]
>> Except for the fact that the car park suddenly became eerily silent, as
>> every other person there turned to stare at me......
>> Wondering why there was a madman pushing a car around the car park, telling
>> the driver to f*** off!
>
> I had a few people looking oddly at me when I push started my own car
> after leaving the lights on at the uni car park (the door open sensor
> on the drivers door stopped working, so the interior light didn't come
> on... and the you-left-your-lights-on-you-moron buzzer didn't work)...
>
> The main problem was getting it out of the parking space (slightly up
> hill), before giving it a bit of a shove down hill, and attempting not
> to get run over whilst climbing in to my own moving car). Probably not
> very safe, but it worked..
I know someone who did that with his Transit van out of his steepish
driveway for a couple of mornings, but on the third morning he didn't make
it. The van ran across the road, through a hedge and ended up in a front
garden - where it stayed until the AA man who came could stop laughing for
long enough to jump start it!
> And of course, not one of the people looking oddly at me shoving a
> Fiesta (thank god) up a slight incline bothered to ask if I needed any
> help... Oh well..
They never do do they?
Steve W
dojj
> from " dojj" <n...@home.com> contains these words:
>
> > normally there is a hole in the steps on th eolder buses and on the
drivers
> > side under a flap on the newer ones which you just plug the lead into
and
> > fire her up
>
> That's the one.
>
much better handling than cars they are :)
all mods cons, air suspension, whisper quite from the front end, and with
all the wieght of the seats removed, plenty quick as well if you don't use
super clean unsuplhered diesel :)
almost 70 mph out of a normal road bus :)