Renault Espace Diesel 2.2DCi won't start when hot?
Gareth
after it has been running for any length of time. The typical senario
would be a motorway drive of more than an hour, followed by a break
for half an hour. When I return to start the car, the engine turns
over but does not fire up. Eventually of course, the battery goes flat
and it requires a jump start from another car. Strangely, it will then
start as normal? Can anyone help as Renault mechanics seem at a loss!
They have changed the TDC sensor and glow plugs to no avail. The
symptoms seem so specific that I would have thought anyone with a
reasonable knowledge of the engine could pinpoint the problem. I
presume that fuel is not being injected for some reason - and why
should it then start with another battery. (I have had the battery
checked and it is fine). Any one with any answers, please help - at
the moment I daren't turn it off when I go on a long run! (It starts
OK from cold)
Cheers
Gareth
Tim (Remove NOSPAM.
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Strange one, and I would have gone straight to all the temperature affected
components like the crank angle sensor and TDC sensor- i.e. all those that
the ecu looks at to reference engine speed and position. First check all
connections at the starter, PSA certainly use a "starter motor is cranking
the engine" feed back to the ECU, and also the engine block earth back to
the battery. Run another in 0AWG if you are at in doubt, or get more than
0.3v between block and battery -ve during cranking. Bear in mind lots on the
Espace is plastic, and it needs a very good ground back to 0v. If this
starts to rise it will cause all sorts of problems, especially when
cranking- as the starter will be earthing back through the ecu and various
other componentry.
That said it should be a relatively simple task for any technition worth
employing to find the fault, as all one would do is hook up the scanner, set
it to live capture, get the engine hot, turn off, try to restart, and see
which input the ecu isnt getting!
Try another Renault garage!
Tim..
Malc
I was going to suggest a fuel problem. Could you have a dicky cut off
solenoid? Is the battery and earthing ok? My Xantia can be a little
reluctant when hot but only to the extent of requiring 5 seconds cranking
which I put down to the intelligent Citroen designers siting the fuel filter
on top of the thermostat housing. A couple of squirts on the priming pump
seems to cure the problem.
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Malc
Matthew Augier (dps)
market for a second hand one (Probably the 2l 16v though as that's as far as
the pennies will run) for my growing family (and mother-in-law!)...
Mat
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Martin Eva
less the same symptoms.
He hates his and was lumbered with it as a company car when a colleague
left. Its underpowered and uneconomical. Still, its a useful size for a
family and great for taking stuff to the dump.
Dont want to put anyone off tho...
Martin
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> "Gareth" <gareth....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> > I have a 3 year old 2.2DCi Espace (40,000 miles) that will not start
> > after it has been running for any length of time. The typical senario
> > would be a motorway drive of more than an hour, followed by a break
> > for half an hour. When I return to start the car, the engine turns
> > over but does not fire up. Eventually of course, the battery goes flat
> > and it requires a jump start from another car. Strangely, it will then
> > start as normal? Can anyone help as Renault mechanics seem at a loss!
> > They have changed the TDC sensor and glow plugs to no avail. The
> > symptoms seem so specific that I would have thought anyone with a
> > reasonable knowledge of the engine could pinpoint the problem. I
> > presume that fuel is not being injected for some reason - and why
> > should it then start with another battery. (I have had the battery
> > checked and it is fine). Any one with any answers, please help - at
> > the moment I daren't turn it off when I go on a long run! (It starts
> > OK from cold)
>
> I was going to suggest a fuel problem. Could you have a dicky cut off
> solenoid?
Its a DCi- common rail injection.
Tim..
Matthew Augier (dps)
be 140bhp. That and carrying around 3 kids / mother in law and camping
equipment, need something with a bit more space (Not sure if I can get a bus
on the drive!)
Mat
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Martin Eva
His is Diesel, I think 2.2 DCi about 52 reg
Martin
Gareth
> His is Diesel, I think 2.2 DCi about 52 reg
>
> Martin
Mat - mine's a 2.2dci Grand Espace. Sounds like your like me - 3 kids
and mother in law camping, skiing etc. I think its great apart from
this problem of starting when hot which I think is a "one off" fault.
It doesn't accelerate as fast as my Peugeot 1.9 Turbo diesel but if I
wanted a sports car I would have bought one. Its really comfortable on
long drives and cruises at 90+ mph (150kph - you can change the units
for continental driving) very comfortably. There is loads of room in
the Grand even with 7 seats in - we used to have 2 Labradors as well.
I know Renault seem to be developing a bit of a reputation for
unreliability but as a concept the car is perfect for our needs. I
just wish we could sort out the starting - hope that helps. Thanks for
your interest.
Gareth
Gareth
Thanks Tim for your comprehensive suggestions - as you say, a
competent technician should be able to locate the fault. I'm not a
mechanic and only have a basic knowledge of diesel cars so a lot of
what you have suggested doesn't mean much to me but I will go along to
another Renault garage and see what they say. I really appreciate the
trouble you have gone to to write in such detail. As I said in the
original posting, It's a real worry now every time we go any distance.
All the best
Gareth
gareth....@btinternet.com
resolved. It was one faulty injector that was leaking pressure. Don't
know why it happened only when hot. Anyway now works perfectly. Not
thanks to Reg Vardy who didn't resolve the problem. However, can whole
heartedly recommend Charlton's of Boroughbridge and the managing
director of Renault UK who sorted it all out. Thanks for everyone's
help.
Gareth