invecs II auto gearbox
Martin Devonald
causing them to stay in 2nd and 3rd gear
Will too much oil in the box cause problems?
Any books or manuals on these gearboxes?
Cheers
Martin
Dave Plowman
What's an 'invecs 11' auto box?
--
* I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. *
Dave Plowman dave....@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn
Simon
"Dave Plowman" <dave....@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4a9e177e44...@argonet.co.uk...
> In article <9jei3s$q3...@imsp212.netvigator.com>,
> Martin Devonald <d...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > Anybody know anything about these gearboxes,
>
> What's an 'invecs 11' auto box?
It's an auto/semi-auto type of thing. Used in Mitsubishis IIRC. Move the
lever to one side and it's a semi-auto...like the ones BMW/Audi (?) use.
Brain's not working tonight :o)
Best of luck fixing the bugger...that's all I know about 'em.
Jester
"Martin Devonald" <d...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:9jei3s$q3...@imsp212.netvigator.com...
Too much oil will cause overpressure problems and will blow out of the
dipstick pipe.
Also the N will flash.
Too little oil will cause overheating - flashing N and box locks into 3rd,
get you home mode.
The above will also happen if oil and filter are not changed as per service
routine.
You will have to give more details of any problems you have to be able to
give you a better answer.
It is a very complex box with alot of sensors etc.
Jester
Tim (Remove NOSPAM. Registry corupted, reformated HD and lost alot of stuff :(
engine,- 200bhp at some crazy rpm- about 7500rpm if memory serves me.
Tim..
"Dave Plowman" <dave....@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4a9e177e44...@argonet.co.uk...
Martin Devonald
Now I have to clarify a few errors
The car is a 1993 Mitsubishi Spacewagon (about 50K miles), and the box
is an invecs however I'm not sure that it is an invecs II
I have actually been advised to get it checked by a professional (I've
been quoted 120 quid just to diagnose the problem) but before I do that
I would like to see what I can do.
I recently bought the car and found that it goes into 4th when very hot
after hill climbing.
The fluid level in the box was far too high so I drained some out, and
the car picks up better in 2nd but doesn't appear to use 1st or go into
4th. Actually I checked again this morning and the fluid level is still
high. I can't belive that this would still casue problems are these
boxes that sensitive to oil level?
You mentioned changing the oil filter, can you do that on these boxes I
didn't realise there was one.
In which case I'm better off changing the oil and filter before doing
anything else.
Thanks for your response
Martin
Jester <Jeste...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%OI67.9416$SK6.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
Dave Plowman
Martin Devonald <d...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> The fluid level in the box was far too high so I drained some out, and
> the car picks up better in 2nd but doesn't appear to use 1st or go into
> 4th.
Don't suppose the handbook says what it's meant to do in 'winter' mode,
if it has one? Locking out gears is common in these. Might give a clue.
--
* If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before
Pete Lucas
>
> In article <9jhad1$8q...@imsp212.netvigator.com>,
> Martin Devonald <d...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > The fluid level in the box was far too high so I drained some out, and
> > the car picks up better in 2nd but doesn't appear to use 1st or go into
> > 4th.
>
> Don't suppose the handbook says what it's meant to do in 'winter' mode,
> if it has one? Locking out gears is common in these. Might give a clue.
And the gaining in fluid-level: it hasn't got a transmission oil-
cooler built into the radiator, has it? Bad things happen when
coolant gets into the transmission-oil, or vice-versa.
Pete Lucas, First Church of TCP/IP
"Go in peace, my child-process, and SYN no more"
Jester
> The car is a 1993 Mitsubishi Spacewagon (about 50K miles), and the box
> is an invecs however I'm not sure that it is an invecs II
1993 is InvecsII
Oil and filter change is due to start with, no matter what.
Oil must be Dexron III and use a genuine Mitsi Filter.
Bad news is the oil is about £8 a litre and you need approx 7 litres
>
> I have actually been advised to get it checked by a professional (I've
> been quoted 120 quid just to diagnose the problem) but before I do that
> I would like to see what I can do.
>
I would take it to Ralliart, Dudley for a diagnostics check. If the oil
change doesn't help
>
> The fluid level in the box was far too high so I drained some out, and
> the car picks up better in 2nd but doesn't appear to use 1st or go into
> 4th. Actually I checked again this morning and the fluid level is still
> high. I can't belive that this would still casue problems are these
> boxes that sensitive to oil level?
Make sure that you only check the oil level when hot.
>
> You mentioned changing the oil filter, can you do that on these boxes I
> didn't realise there was one.
>
Sat right on top of the box.
One other thing you can try is an ECU reset. The InvecsII box learns your
driving style which means depending on how you drive it will decide when to
change gear ie. drive hard and it will change higher up the rev range.
sometimes they get confused.
Disconnect your battery for 30mins this will reset the ECU and can sometimes
improve gear changes.
I would take it to Ralliart, Dudley for a diagnostics check. If the oil
change/ecu reset doesn't help.
Jester
Simon
> Bad news is the oil is about £8 a litre and you need approx 7 litres
>
>>(I've been quoted 120 quid just to diagnose the problem) but before I do
that
> > I would like to see what I can do.
> >
It's things like this that stop me buying an auto. They might be generally
reliable but when they *do* go wrong...SHEESH!
I wonder how much a new Mitsubishi auto box costs?
Dave Plowman
Simon <skank...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> It's things like this that stop me buying an auto. They might be
> generally reliable but when they *do* go wrong...SHEESH!
Well, a manual will usually have one or two clutches before an auto gives
trouble. And may have lost some or all of its synchromesh.
> I wonder how much a new Mitsubishi auto box costs?
Like anything, it *should* be repairable. If tekkies with the skills can
be found.
--
* Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? *
Jester
> > It's things like this that stop me buying an auto. They might be
> > generally reliable but when they *do* go wrong...SHEESH!>
> Well, a manual will usually have one or two clutches before an auto gives
> trouble. And may have lost some or all of its synchromesh.
>
Very true.
The Invecs box needs as much care if not more than the engine with regard to
oil changes.
As you happen to mention clutches, the InvecsII has seven clutches inside.
> > I wonder how much a new Mitsubishi auto box costs?
Well s/hand they are approx Ł1500 and anywhere between Ł500 & Ł1000 to fit.
>
> Like anything, it *should* be repairable. If tekkies with the skills can
> be found.
Not really worth repairing the main box.
Sometimes some of the sensors get replaced but that normally is it.
Jester
Martin Devonald
I'm going to change the oil and filter as Jester recommends.
You are quite right it is the first place to start
Nothing in the manual about winter driving but it does say that when there
are problems with the box it will 'fix' (read lock) in 2nd and 3rd
I don't think there is much wrong with it, but then I'm not too familiar
with auto boxes and one mechanic I spoke to recommended replacing it. At
over 800 quid for a beat up secondhand one, forget it!
I might get the ecu checked out because they are a common source of
problems.
Anyway, cheers for the responses
Martin
Jester <Jester@*hotmail.com-> wrote in message
news:tW077.14020$SK6.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>
> > > It's things like this that stop me buying an auto. They might be
> > > generally reliable but when they *do* go wrong...SHEESH!>
> > Well, a manual will usually have one or two clutches before an auto
gives
> > trouble. And may have lost some or all of its synchromesh.
> >
>
> Very true.
> The Invecs box needs as much care if not more than the engine with regard
to
> oil changes.
> As you happen to mention clutches, the InvecsII has seven clutches inside.
>
> > > I wonder how much a new Mitsubishi auto box costs?
>
> Well s/hand they are approx £1500 and anywhere between £500 & £1000 to