Will a space saver wheel pass the MOT?
david...@myself.com
space saver, the same diameter as the others but thinner. Can I put
this on to get it through the MOT? I shall get a new one if it
passes, but would rather not spent the money if it is going to fail
anyway.
Thanks in advance.
Mrcheerful
It should not pass as it is incorrectly sized in relation to the others,
space savers are a get you to the next garage option, not designed for
continual use. You could leave it on and just accept the failure, if it is
only that then most places will only charge a nominal amount for the
re-test. Ask at your MoT place what their retest policy is.
Adrian
they were saying:
> I have a tire that is marginal to pass the MOT, and the spare is a space
> saver, the same diameter as the others but thinner. Can I put this on
> to get it through the MOT?
No. They must be the same size side-to-side.
Put it in for the test as is, and if it fails on the tyre alone, replace
the tyre.
However, it's well worth remembering that a tyre that's "marginal" for
the MOT is also "marginal" for actual use - legally (3pts & £60) - and
WELL past safe use.
The MOT is NOT an annual high-water point. It's a bare minimum.
Mrcheerful
My MoT man passes tyres that I consider to be very unsafe, even if I query
them he points out the letter of the MoT law. I get new ones anyway, but it
does surprise me sometimes just what IS legal!
I know some people like to leave something like an obvious dodgy tyre on the
car so that the MoT man has something to concentrate on and hopefully he
will miss other things !!
Adrian
much like they were saying:
> I know some people like to leave something like an obvious dodgy tyre on
> the car so that the MoT man has something to concentrate on and
> hopefully he will miss other things !!
I've never subscribed to that line of thought.
If the MOT man sees a car with an obviously bald tyre, he's going to
think "Hmm. Obviously not been looked after - what else is up?"
If he sees something that "feels" right - four good brand, good condition
tyres, all the bulbs/wiper blades right - then he's more likely to have a
good feeling about the rest.
It _shouldn't_ make any difference, but it might tip something that's
borderline into an advisory.
david...@myself.com
tire I may as well put a new one on before the MOT and hope for the
best.
Terry
And you won't get 3 points and a 60 quid fine unless you're below the
bare minimum, shithead.
Adrian
like they were saying:
>>However, it's well worth remembering that a tyre that's "marginal" for
>>the MOT is also "marginal" for actual use - legally (3pts & £60) - and
>>WELL past safe use.
>>
>>The MOT is NOT an annual high-water point. It's a bare minimum.
> And you won't get 3 points and a 60 quid fine unless you're below the
> bare minimum, shithead.
<waits for the morphing troll to explain the difference between the legal
minimum and the MOT criteria>
reg
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well i guess by now you know it wont pass with a space saver wheel fitted.
you'd be surprised at the number of people that take their spare tyre out
because the tyre or wheel is knackered & they think its part of the mot.
Terry
<waits for shithead to rewrite his earlier sentence so it makes a bit
of sense>
Ian
Why not just put it in with the dodgy tyre and if it fails, replace
it? As long as you take the car back by the end of the next working
day, tyres are "free retest" items.
Ian
Ian
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:26:17 +0000 (UTC), Adrian
> >The MOT is NOT an annual high-water point. It's a bare minimum.
>
> And you won't get 3 points and a 60 quid fine unless you're below the
> bare minimum, shithead.
Adrian is a long standing, knowledgeable and unfailingly courteous
contributor to uk.rec.cars.maintenance.
Who are you?
Ian
Terry
Adrian is a shithead. If that's your idea of "unfailingly courteous"
you're probably a pikey like him.
>Who are you?
More to the point, who are you?
Steve Firth
Terry
wrote:
You're a total dickhead, Filth.
Douglas Payne
To the MOT knowledgeable: could the OP rob another same sized space
saver off another car and pass the test with 2 on the same axle?
--
Douglas
reg
"Douglas Payne" <dou...@cheerful.com> wrote in message
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nope, not acceptable even if it had all four on the vehicle, space saver
wheels are not acceptable, they are a temporary get you "home" measure.
Chris Whelan
...and here's the evidence if needed:
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_410.htm
Chris
--
Remove prejudice to reply.
david...@myself.com
> >> off another car and pass the test with 2 on the same axle?
>
> >> --
> >> Douglas
>
> > nope, not acceptable even if it had all four on the vehicle, space saver
> > wheels are not acceptable, they are a temporary get you "home" measure.
>
> ...and here's the evidence if needed:
>
> http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_410.htm
It is not obvious from that where the evidence is, fancy elaborating?
I can only guess it is somewhere in one of these bits:
B. Load Index and Speed Rating (Applicable to Class VII only)
b. a tyre that has a load index (or ply rating and tyre size) that is
inadequate for the permitted maximum laden weight of the axle to which
it is fitted.
Vehicles not fitted with Ministry plate
2. A tyre marked with one of the following speed rating letters: A, B,
C, D, E, F, G, J or K.
The varous letters on my space saver (that I have now removed for a
new one) are given below. It looks to me like the speed rating is H,
so it is OK under the second. I do not know how to check the load
index but it would be pretty dodgy if a car was supplied with the
wrong one, even if it was to get you home.
195/60R15 88H NCT 3 4RIB-E
Chris Whelan
>> >> To the MOT knowledgeable: could the OP rob another same sized space
>> >> saver off another car and pass the test with 2 on the same axle?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Douglas
>>
>> > nope, not acceptable even if it had all four on the vehicle, space
>> > saver wheels are not acceptable, they are a temporary get you "home"
>> > measure.
>>
>> ...and here's the evidence if needed:
>>
>> http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_410.htm
>
> It is not obvious from that where the evidence is, fancy elaborating?
> I can only guess it is somewhere in one of these bits:
If you genuinely can't see on that link why a car with a spacesaver will
fail the MOT, I despair!
"Reason for rejection"
"b. Special lightweight or space saving wheels and tyres fitted as road
wheels"
You don't even need to scroll down to find it!
david...@myself.com
> If you genuinely can't see on that link why a car with a spacesaver will
> fail the MOT, I despair!
>
> "Reason for rejection"
>
> "b. Special lightweight or space saving wheels and tyres fitted as road
> wheels"
You are now free to despair. I cannot belive I missed that, after I
thought I read the reasons and even went out to my car to check the
numbers off the tire.
I have to wonder though, what it is about that tire that makes it
"Special lightweight or space saving", it is no smaller than some
wheels I have had on other cars. Probably no more than the sticker on
it.
Chris Whelan
> On 20 Mar, 10:39, Chris Whelan <cawhe...@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote:
>> If you genuinely can't see on that link why a car with a spacesaver will
>> fail the MOT, I despair!
>>
>> "Reason for rejection"
>>
>> "b. Special lightweight or space saving wheels and tyres fitted as road
>> wheels"
>
> You are now free to despair.
:-)
> I cannot belive I missed that, after I
> thought I read the reasons and even went out to my car to check the
> numbers off the tire.
It's often the case that the obvious is overlooked; I do it all the time.
> I have to wonder though, what it is about that tire that makes it
> "Special lightweight or space saving", it is no smaller than some
> wheels I have had on other cars.
But the point is that it is (presumably) smaller than the "proper" ones for
that vehicle.
The characteristics of each wheel/tyre combination need to be matched to the
weight and performance of the vehicle they are fitted to.
Take heart from the fact that you have a spare; some new cars don't!
Mark W
"Mrcheerful" <nbk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Best thing would be to obtain three more space savers. At least they'd all
match.
Chris Whelan
...but as my post at 7:18 today shows, it would still fail of course.
Adrian
they were saying:
> Adrian is ... unfailingly courteous
Not to people who have proven themselves to be completely deserved in
their inclusion in my killfile, and especially not to those who take
great delight in morphing to escape it - like Terry.