Mercedes Sprinter 311CDi brand new engine price?
AstraVanMan
Mercedes dealer, cost, fully fitted? And what sort of guarantee would there
be with it?
Just wondering, as I'm pondering the thought of buying a high mileage
Sprinter, and want to factor the cost of a brand spanking new replacement
engine into things just in case the worst happens. Of course, it could well
end up lasting up 300-400k or more (currently on 200k) but want to be
prepared if it does go belly up!
And to those who were going to say "why not phone and ask yourself?" - well
they'd be shut now.
Peter
Huw
Well actually I was going to ask, why not pay a couple of grand more
for one with less than 100k miles on it? Of course you could still
need a new engine but this is unlikely. It is more likely and economic
if you source an used engine from a breaker or rebuild the existing
worn engine if possible.
A brand spanker in such a vehicle is an unlikely scenario. But hey,
whatever rows your boat!
Huw
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AstraVanMan
> for one with less than 100k miles on it?
Because it's not a couple of grand more, it's more like 3 or 4 grand more.
For 2 grand more compared to the one I've seen advertised, I'd do well to
get one with 30-40k less on the clock at the very most! I've even seen one
advertised for £6k+VAT with 270k on the clock!!
LWB CDI Sprinters seem to hold their value extremely well, and the real
bargains seem to be few and far between, and get snapped up real fast
> Of course you could still
> need a new engine but this is unlikely. It is more likely and economic
> if you source an used engine from a breaker or rebuild the existing
> worn engine if possible.
>
> A brand spanker in such a vehicle is an unlikely scenario. But hey,
> whatever rows your boat!
Well yeah, it's the expensive option, but in many ways I'd much rather do
that than get a low miler from a breakers that I don't know what's happened
(I've heard of people taking engines out of smashed up cars/vans that have
had such a hit that it's caused the sump, or even the block, to crack, and I
don't want to be paying top dollar for something that could possibly have
that happen to it, or be weakened in such a place.
I'd rather pay about £4.5k for a 200k Sprinter that has a fair chance of
making it to 300k, or even 400k, without any major rebuild work needing
doing, that might possibly cost me, I dunno, £2.5-3k on a brand new engine
(fitted) than pissing away £9-£10k or so on a genuine low mileage example
(and even a lot of the ones up for £10k+VAT have close on 100k on the
clock). Ok, so other things like shocks, suspension bushes, transmission
will all have done 200k as well, but a lot of these will have been
periodically replaced (particularly suspension bushes/wishbones), and
knackered shocks/transmission are a serious bargaining point on a high
mileage van.
All irrelevant anyway now - just phoned up and it's been sold :-(
I really didn't expect it to sell all that easily, oh well.....
Peter
Adrian
they were saying :
>> Well actually I was going to ask, why not pay a couple of grand more
>> for one with less than 100k miles on it?
> Because it's not a couple of grand more, it's more like 3 or 4 grand
> more. For 2 grand more compared to the one I've seen advertised, I'd
> do well to get one with 30-40k less on the clock at the very most!
> I've even seen one advertised for £6k+VAT with 270k on the clock!!
> All irrelevant anyway now - just phoned up and it's been sold :-(
>
> I really didn't expect it to sell all that easily, oh well.....
Coming soon to a van dealer near you - a Sprinter with considerably less
mileage on it...
Huw
Just bought a new swb Renault Traffic [I think, the same as a Vauxhall
anyhow] 100hp direct injection diesel with side door and plywood
lining for £9k+VAT. Will replace a three year old 40,000 mile Nissan
Rubbish van, the one with a mid mounted engine, with a decidedly dodgy
and weak engine. The replacement cost is actually £3200. Good deal? I
think so.
Guy King
from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
> Just bought a new swb Renault Traffic
Trafic. No, really - go look at the back!
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> The message <2p4brdF...@uni-berlin.de>
> from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> Just bought a new swb Renault Traffic
>
> Trafic. No, really - go look at the back!
Bought it at a County show last Thursday. Not been delivered yet, nor
will it until the 1st. It is about the same size as a Merc Vito.
AstraVanMan
> >> for one with less than 100k miles on it?
>
> > Because it's not a couple of grand more, it's more like 3 or 4 grand
> > more. For 2 grand more compared to the one I've seen advertised, I'd
> > do well to get one with 30-40k less on the clock at the very most!
> > I've even seen one advertised for £6k+VAT with 270k on the clock!!
>
> > All irrelevant anyway now - just phoned up and it's been sold :-(
> >
> > I really didn't expect it to sell all that easily, oh well.....
>
> Coming soon to a van dealer near you - a Sprinter with considerably less
> mileage on it...
Yeah, funnily enough I have phoned up about a few recently with between 140k
and 180k on them, with no history, but "they would have been well looked
after mate, owned by a big company you know, runs absolutely spot on", and
never thought twice to question the mileage, but there's every chance that,
due to the popularity of these things, that a lot of these with 140-180k on
them could well have been clocked down from 250k++.
I'll stick with my 56,000 mile 2.5D Master for the time being, I think.
Peter
AstraVanMan
> anyhow] 100hp direct injection diesel with side door and plywood
> lining for £9k+VAT. Will replace a three year old 40,000 mile Nissan
> Rubbish van, the one with a mid mounted engine, with a decidedly dodgy
> and weak engine. The replacement cost is actually £3200. Good deal? I
> think so.
Sounds so. It's all relative to what the van's being used for, and how much
profit's involved. I'm a self employed owner driver, and whilst I make
reasonable money (doing multidrop work now instead of same day, which was
largely shit, and much happier) I don't want to piss loads of money down the
drain in depreciation on top of all the other runnings costs (servicing,
consumables, insurance, fuel etc) - I want a van that doesn't cost me more
than £1k p.a. in depreciation - hopefully a lot less. My 98/S Renault
Master cost me £3.5k with a genuine 50k on the clock - I know the owner
that's had it from new and know he looks after his vehicles. It's been
serviced every 6k from new and I'll keep it on like that - it's had a recent
cambelt as well, so all I need to for a fair while yet is just keep on
changing the oil and fuel/air/filters. Since I've had it I've spent about
£400 on it, but £100 was a new battery, and £200 was getting it MOTd and
taxed for a year (just over £100 on getting oil+filter, fuel filter, air
filter and aux drivebelt changed). I reckon to do around 25k/year, so in a
couple of years it'll have 100k on the clock and touch wood still be in as
good condition, and I reckon it'll easily be worth £2500 or so still.
If I was to get a 100,000-mile Sprinter (311CDI) for about £8k I reckon in a
couple of years with 150k on the clock it'd still be worth £6k easy, given
what they go for and how easily they seem to sell, but it's a lot more money
up front, money I'd rather keep in my pocket.
I'd be interested if someone could point me in the direction of some sort of
PCP type deal for Sprinters - where you effectively just pay for the
depreciation. Even so I'm not going to get it for a grand a year, not on a
new van, and then there's being tied to main dealer servicing etc etc...
Think I'll keep the Master a while longer.
Talking of the 100hp dCi Trafic vans - I've just been driving one of them -
my mate's work's van which he let me have a drive of. Quite impressed,
though you do need to be aware of when they run out of puff (as I found out
when I could have done with a few more revs). Might consider getting a new
shape master, but don't really want to spend x thousand more on a newer
version of essentially the same van I've already got.
Peter
Guy King
from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
> Bought it at a County show last Thursday. Not been delivered yet, nor
> will it until the 1st. It is about the same size as a Merc Vito.
I used to run one. Bastard to change the clutch on, compared to most
vans. I'd have killed for PAS, too. I imagine they have it nowadays.
Never let me down though - and rather overpowered for its use.
Huw
. My 98/S Renault Master cost me £3.5k with a
> genuine 50k on the clock - I know the owner that's had it from new
> and know he looks after his vehicles. It's been serviced every 6k
> from new and I'll keep it on like that - it's had a recent cambelt
as
> well, so all I need to for a fair while yet is just keep on changing
> the oil and fuel/air/filters. Since I've had it I've spent about
> £400 on it, but £100 was a new battery, and £200 was getting it MOTd
> and taxed for a year (just over £100 on getting oil+filter, fuel
> filter, air filter and aux drivebelt changed). I reckon to do
around
> 25k/year,
Since you have only recently bought this van [as you have only done
6000 miles in it] and are apparently happy with it, why did you even
consider getting a high mileage Mercedes replacement? Surely not badge
snobbery?
Adam Aglionby
"AstraVanMan" <Fuc...@WithThanks.com> wrote in message
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Think the thing with Sprinters was the long service interval, something like
20K oil changes, but darn expensive oil.Someat with German waste disposal
regs.
They also got the heavy push to hire companies , know someone who worked for
van rental co a good while back and they could lease a Sprinter for a weekly
cost that was well less than a days hire charge.
Adam
Huw
> The message <2p4elgF...@uni-berlin.de>
> from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> Bought it at a County show last Thursday. Not been delivered yet,
nor
>> will it until the 1st. It is about the same size as a Merc Vito.
>
> I used to run one. Bastard to change the clutch on, compared to most
> vans. I'd have killed for PAS, too. I imagine they have it nowadays.
> Never let me down though - and rather overpowered for its use.
I don't think they have been out for more than three or four years and
the direct injection engine is newer than that, isn't it?
It can't be more of a bastard than the Nissan/Freight Rover because
these heaps need the drivers seat and centre console to be removed
just to check the oil. Can't complain really because they were bought
purely on price. Should have changed two but one is waiting for a side
door and it is undrivable due to a duff injector pump.
Huw
Huw
Mercedes vans have somewhat lower oil change intervals than their
cars, which have variable service intervals monitored by computer.
This system is not fitted to the vans which have fixed service
intervals of IIRC 14000 miles or less if on stop/start work like local
delivery/postal duty. The diesel cars can run for 17000 miles before a
service is called for, which BTW is only just over half the potential
of modern VW/Audi and Vauxhall diesel cars.
Huw
>
> They also got the heavy push to hire companies , know someone who
> worked for van rental co a good while back and they could lease a
> Sprinter for a weekly cost that was well less than a days hire
charge.
>
> Adam
Guy King
from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
> >> Bought it at a County show last Thursday. Not been delivered yet,
> nor
> >> will it until the 1st. It is about the same size as a Merc Vito.
> >
> > I used to run one. Bastard to change the clutch on, compared to most
> > vans. I'd have killed for PAS, too. I imagine they have it nowadays.
> > Never let me down though - and rather overpowered for its use.
> I don't think they have been out for more than three or four years and
> the direct injection engine is newer than that, isn't it?
Sorry, I meant the Trafic. The Vito's been out for a good deal longer
than that.
dojj
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with just under 5k on the clock the service interval has gone doen from the
20k it was at the begining, to an alarmingingly low 9800 miles!!!!!!
(i drive a 111 vito, 04 plate, £32k, smug looks, etc :) )
SteveH
> actually, the service interval varies depending on how you drive them
> with just under 5k on the clock the service interval has gone doen from the
> 20k it was at the begining, to an alarmingingly low 9800 miles!!!!!!
> (i drive a 111 vito, 04 plate, £32k, smug looks, etc :) )
£32k for a Vito? *thud*
I could understand that kind of cash for a Sprinter, but not a Vito.
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Huw
" dojj" <do...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > cars, which have variable service intervals monitored by computer.
> > This system is not fitted to the vans which have fixed service
> > intervals of IIRC 14000 miles or less if on stop/start work like
local
> > delivery/postal duty. The diesel cars can run for 17000 miles
before a
> > service is called for, which BTW is only just over half the
potential
> > of modern VW/Audi and Vauxhall diesel cars.
> >
> > Huw
> >
> actually, the service interval varies depending on how you drive
them
> with just under 5k on the clock the service interval has gone doen
from the
> 20k it was at the begining, to an alarmingingly low 9800 miles!!!!!!
> (i drive a 111 vito, 04 plate, £32k, smug looks, etc :) )
Hmm. Our Vito 110CDi commercial van definitely has not got the
variable service computer system fitted and has fixed service
intervals of the traditional type, albeit a bit further apart.
Is yours what they used to call a V Class people carrier?
Huw
Huw
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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> dojj <do...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > actually, the service interval varies depending on how you drive
them
> > with just under 5k on the clock the service interval has gone doen
from the
> > 20k it was at the begining, to an alarmingingly low 9800
miles!!!!!!
> > (i drive a 111 vito, 04 plate, £32k, smug looks, etc :) )
>
> £32k for a Vito? *thud*
>
Ours cost a not outlandish £10500 from Euro Commercials IIRC.
That price could only be for a V Class or Viano Ambient with leather
and entertainment system. Right?
Huw
Pete M
SteveH <st...@italiancar.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls
with a rant as follows
> dojj <do...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> actually, the service interval varies depending on how you drive them
>> with just under 5k on the clock the service interval has gone doen
>> from the 20k it was at the begining, to an alarmingingly low 9800
>> miles!!!!!! (i drive a 111 vito, 04 plate, £32k, smug looks, etc :) )
>
> £32k for a Vito? *thud*
>
> I could understand that kind of cash for a Sprinter, but not a Vito.
I spent £32k of works money on a LWB 3.0 Turbo diseasel Sprinter in 1997..
P7 32 MMA IIRC :-)
Top van though, and the only P reg one I've seen with A/C...
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Guy King
from "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> contains these words:
> That price could only be for a V Class or Viano Ambient with leather
> and entertainment system. Right?
Morning eyes and all that - I read that as "leather entertainment
system" and thought - Wow, Mercedes have really come out of the
woodwork.
What next - the SM series?
dojj
>
> " dojj" <do...@dojj1.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > Mercedes vans have somewhat lower oil change intervals than their
> > > cars, which have variable service intervals monitored by computer.
> > > This system is not fitted to the vans which have fixed service
> > > intervals of IIRC 14000 miles or less if on stop/start work like
> local
> > > delivery/postal duty. The diesel cars can run for 17000 miles
> before a
> > > service is called for, which BTW is only just over half the
> potential
> > > of modern VW/Audi and Vauxhall diesel cars.
> > >
> > > Huw
> > >
> > actually, the service interval varies depending on how you drive
> them
> > with just under 5k on the clock the service interval has gone doen
> from the
> > 20k it was at the begining, to an alarmingingly low 9800 miles!!!!!!
> > (i drive a 111 vito, 04 plate, £32k, smug looks, etc :) )
>
> Hmm. Our Vito 110CDi commercial van definitely has not got the
> variable service computer system fitted and has fixed service
> intervals of the traditional type, albeit a bit further apart.
> Is yours what they used to call a V Class people carrier?
>
same one
they have now stopped doing the 110 and have, in the range, a 109, a 111 and
an alarmingly quick 22 something or other (so the guide book tellls me, all
500 pages have been read and i don't have most of the stuff thst in there
either :( )
dojj
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> > actually, the service interval varies depending on how you drive them
> > with just under 5k on the clock the service interval has gone doen from
the
> > 20k it was at the begining, to an alarmingingly low 9800 miles!!!!!!
> > (i drive a 111 vito, 04 plate, £32k, smug looks, etc :) )
>
> £32k for a Vito? *thud*
>
> I could understand that kind of cash for a Sprinter, but not a Vito.
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electronic stability control, remote locking (front and/or rear) bigger
brakes to cope with the greater wieght) you know the score
SteveH
> > Ł32k for a Vito? *thud*
> >
> > I could understand that kind of cash for a Sprinter, but not a Vito.
> it's refrigerated, got lots of basic bells and whistles (like the standard
> abs, cd player, c/l, electric windows, power steering, traction control,
> electronic stability control, remote locking (front and/or rear) bigger
> brakes to cope with the greater wieght) you know the score
Still, that's one hell of a lot for a Vito, given that our Transits with
similar kit (no ASR or Traction, though) weigh in at around Ł25k - and
the Transit is a much larger van.
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