Ford focus Tddi Ci cambelt replacement
Ivan
Advice sought on the purchase of a good second-hand vehicle] and from the
majority of good reports I read, I finally parted with three grand and opted
for a high mileage (120,000 ex-fleet vehicle full service history) Ford
focus (51 plate) Tddi Ci estate.
Although it appeared to be a good runner, as I don't pick it up until the
end of the week I haven't had time to really evaluate it.
One thing that worries me however is that the salesman told me that the
intervals for timing belt replacement was every 80,000 miles, and the last
one had been replaced at a 100,000 miles, however according to 'Honest John'
all focus diesel timing belts must be replaced every 36,000 miles (which
seems pretty pathetic for a modern vehicle, considering that even my ancient
Astra is double that) does anyone know if this information is correct?.. Tia
Ivan.
Chris Whelan
Sorry, don't know the answer but you might be better off asking in
alt.autos.ford.focus
Chris
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I could believe that the original Ford lump required changes at 36k (I'm
sure the Mk1 & 2 Mondeos were the same)
Pete.
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Ivan
Many thanks Chris, have re-posted my query to Ford.focus ng.
> Chris
Morse
"Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I have just asked my mechanic that very question- he says they are good for
100,000 miles and are not notorious for failing early. I take no
responsibility if the worst happens though ;-)
AIUI the belt has quite an easy life as it has quite a short and simple path
between the camshaft and the chain-driver diesel pump, rather than the crank
pulley via several other pulleys. It looks quite straightforward to change
so it shouldn't be a phenomenally expensive job if you want peace of mind.
My mechanic said about Ł120, but I don't know if that's a typical quote or
not.
Morse
Ivan
> but I don't know if that's a typical quote or not.
>
Well if your information is correct then certainly that does sound good
news, however I wonder why 'Honest John'
<http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htmsays> "Some
fleets reckon on just 60,000 miles for Zetec E timing belts and idler
pulleys. 35,000 miles still max for diesel timing belts."
BTW what's your own experience of this model, has it been good?
> Morse
Ivan
> Morse wrote:
>> >>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have just asked my mechanic that very question- he says they are
>> good for 100,000 miles and are not notorious for failing early. I
>> take no responsibility if the worst happens though ;-)
>>
>> AIUI the belt has quite an easy life as it has quite a short and
>> simple path between the camshaft and the chain-driver diesel pump,
>> rather than the crank pulley via several other pulleys. It looks
>> quite straightforward to change so it shouldn't be a phenomenally
>> expensive job if you want peace of mind. My mechanic said about £120,
>> but I don't know if that's a typical quote or not.
>>
>
>Ivan wrote:
>
> Well if your information is correct then certainly that does sound
> good news, however I wonder why 'Honest John'
> <http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htmsays>
> "Some fleets reckon on just 60,000 miles for Zetec E timing belts and
> idler pulleys. 35,000 miles still max for diesel timing belts."
>
> BTW what's your own experience of this model, has it been good?
>
>
Apologies for the bad link in my previous post.
< http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm >
>
>
>
>> Morse
Andy Tucker
Ivan wrote:
I've just taken a look at the service schedule Ford eTIS, and cam belt
replacement on all the Focus TDdi and TDCi engines is 100,000 miles or
10 years. I've never heard of a prematurely-broken belt either.
mr p
The Haynes book does say that Ford revised the tensioner pully on some
Focus engines. I'd be interested to know how much it costs if you do
get it done! I
PS
I would not say that 120k is necessarily 'high miles' for a diesel.
Simon
Tim..
"Andy Tucker" <andyt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You dont listen much then?!
They still fail at about a 10th of the regularity of the old Endura DE
engine, but nevertheless, still do break. Engine is luncheon meat when they
do. (same old story)
Tim..
AstraVanMan
> Well I finally took the plunge, acting on several people's advice [Re:
> Advice sought on the purchase of a good second-hand vehicle] and from
> the
> majority of good reports I read, I finally parted with three grand and
> opted
> for a high mileage (120,000 ex-fleet vehicle full service history)
> Ford
> focus (51 plate) Tddi Ci estate.
>
> Although it appeared to be a good runner, as I don't pick it up until
> the
> end of the week I haven't had time to really evaluate it.
I assume you test-drove it, right?
> One thing that worries me however is that the salesman told me that
> the
> intervals for timing belt replacement was every 80,000 miles, and the
> last
> one had been replaced at a 100,000 miles, however according to 'Honest
> John'
> all focus diesel timing belts must be replaced every 36,000 miles
> (which
> seems pretty pathetic for a modern vehicle, considering that even my
> ancient
> Astra is double that) does anyone know if this information is
> correct?.. Tia
Well I'm fairly certain that the 1.8TDCi is quite largely based on the
older 1.8TDDi engine ('Lynx' engine), except with stuff like commonrail
injection added. And that's basically a slightly more powerful than the
engine I had in my Mk5 Fiesta van (00/W), and according to the book that
had a 100k cambelt interval, though I was skeptical about this, and some
people told me 80k, some 60k. It's safer to leave them longer as the
cambelt doesn't drive the water pump, which is a potential cause of
cambelt failure (just make sure you know when the aux drivebelt's been
done though, as if that snaps it's not just a case of turn the
lights/interior fan/radio off and keep going, the thing'll overheat).
So if the TDCI doesn't have a cambelt-driven waterpump, then it's
probably safe to leave it at least 60k miles. The earlier 1.8Ds
(Endura-DE) were a bit of a liability as far as cambelts went, but AFAIK
the TDDIs or TDCIs aren't.
But this is all fact-based guesswork, so ask someone who knows.....
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AstraVanMan
>> I have just asked my mechanic that very question- he says they are
>> good for 100,000 miles and are not notorious for failing early. I
>> take no responsibility if the worst happens though ;-)
>>
>> AIUI the belt has quite an easy life as it has quite a short and
>> simple path between the camshaft and the chain-driver diesel pump,
>> rather than the crank pulley via several other pulleys. It looks
>> quite straightforward to change so it shouldn't be a phenomenally
>> expensive job if you want peace of mind. My mechanic said about £120,
>> but I don't know if that's a typical quote or not.
>
> Well if your information is correct then certainly that does sound
> good
> news, however I wonder why 'Honest John'
> <http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htmsays>
> "Some
> fleets reckon on just 60,000 miles for Zetec E timing belts and idler
> pulleys. 35,000 miles still max for diesel timing belts."
>
> BTW what's your own experience of this model, has it been good?
Fucking hell - I really wish they'd do something revolutionary like
split those absolutely huge chunks of text into those things known as
"paragraphs". That was almost painful to read. And it does look to be
factually inaccurate in places - it says that it gets the same 89bhp
turbodiesel as the Mondeo, and I don't *think* this is true. I was
fairly certain that the Focus got the 1.8TDDI Endura-DI engine ('Lynx'
engine), whereas the Mondeo got the older turbocharged Endura-DE, which
were a lot more prone to throwing cambelts.
But the TDCI is completely different to the older Endura-DE, and a
modernised (commonrailed-up) version of the Endura-DI, and I very much
doubt that the 36k cambelt interval would apply to that.
Morse
>
> Well if your information is correct then certainly that does sound good
> news, however I wonder why 'Honest John'
> <http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htmsays> "Some
> fleets reckon on just 60,000 miles for Zetec E timing belts and idler
> pulleys. 35,000 miles still max for diesel timing belts."
>
I wouldn't leave it the full 100,000 miles TBH, I'd get it done as soon as
money allows.
> BTW what's your own experience of this model, has it been good?
>
Haven't had it long, and my Mother is letting me have her X reg 1600 petrol
Focus Ghia so it's up for sale.
It's had a pronounced diesel knock at idle which is getting better as the
injector cleaner does its thing. Starts immediately, seems OK on diesel.
TDDIs are a bit rough and smelly compared to modern common diesels but go
well. It's not a sports car but it certainly 'goes' when the turbo cuts in.
There's a little turbo lag when pulling away which means it's necessary to
rev it a bit when you need to move off quickly, but that's pretty much the
same for all TD cars I've driven.
Basically they're a good reliable workhorse. Listen *very* carefully to the
engine though (through the rev range) and make sure it has a full or at
least decent service history- some people have reported premature big and
small end failure due to lack of maintenance. That would basically mean
dropping a new engine in.
Regular oil changes with good oil are recommended, don't skimp and don't
miss oil changes.
Dave
Paul Cummins
pe...@whataloadofforeskinbollocks.co.uk (AstraVanMan) wrote:
> whereas the Mondeo got the older turbocharged Endura-DE, which
> were a lot more prone to throwing cambelts.
but is a decent enough engine if run well...
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Ivan
I actually wrote to Honest John and asked him who was correct, him with his
estimate of 35,000 miles, or Ford's 100,000, his reply was thus. "100k
recommended by Ford. 35k recommended by me on basis of failures."
HJ
> Tim..