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mitsubishi won't shift in reverse gear - shift stick link touches exhaust
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edwin
Dec 4, 2013, 9:32:34 AM12/4/13
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Hello all,
Have looked for earlier posting regarding this problem, but problem has
allready become quite specific.
My 1999 Space Star won't shift into reverse any more. Selecting reverse here
is pulling a knob and going to the left and upwards next to 1st gear. Even
when pulling this knob on the gear shift stick and going beyond the lateral
movement for 1st gear, the gearbox always selects 1st gear instead of
reverse.
Dealer said it is a common problem with this type of mitsubishi. Said it is
the wear on bushings and rings which guide the gear shift stick motion on
two axes and which also make up the link with the horizontal rod going to
the front to the gearbox.
But i see/feel no excessive play on these bushings. Seems to me possibly
rather something in the gearbox itself, the connection piece between the
gear selector pin in the gearbox and the reverse gear toothed wheel itself.
But when checking with two people, the link between gear shift stick and
horizontal rod going to the gearbox touches the exhaust and is hindered for
going further to the right ( this link is of course going in the other
direction compared to the gear shift stick upper part).
I'm puzzled because i can't find any play on these bushings. Not that i
distrust the dealer, but somehow the given explanation goes against my own
logic ;-)...
Any ideas anyone ?
Much obliged,
Edwin
Have looked for earlier posting regarding this problem, but problem has
allready become quite specific.
My 1999 Space Star won't shift into reverse any more. Selecting reverse here
is pulling a knob and going to the left and upwards next to 1st gear. Even
when pulling this knob on the gear shift stick and going beyond the lateral
movement for 1st gear, the gearbox always selects 1st gear instead of
reverse.
Dealer said it is a common problem with this type of mitsubishi. Said it is
the wear on bushings and rings which guide the gear shift stick motion on
two axes and which also make up the link with the horizontal rod going to
the front to the gearbox.
But i see/feel no excessive play on these bushings. Seems to me possibly
rather something in the gearbox itself, the connection piece between the
gear selector pin in the gearbox and the reverse gear toothed wheel itself.
But when checking with two people, the link between gear shift stick and
horizontal rod going to the gearbox touches the exhaust and is hindered for
going further to the right ( this link is of course going in the other
direction compared to the gear shift stick upper part).
I'm puzzled because i can't find any play on these bushings. Not that i
distrust the dealer, but somehow the given explanation goes against my own
logic ;-)...
Any ideas anyone ?
Much obliged,
Edwin
Mrcheerful
Dec 4, 2013, 10:57:32 AM12/4/13
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Tim+
Dec 4, 2013, 11:59:36 AM12/4/13
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repaired/replaced). ;-)
Tim
Nick Finnigan
Dec 4, 2013, 5:15:33 PM12/4/13
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On 04/12/2013 14:32, edwin wrote:
>
>
> My 1999 Space Star won't shift into reverse any more.
>
>
> Dealer said it is a common problem with this type of mitsubishi. Said it is
> the wear on bushings and rings which guide the gear shift stick motion on
> two axes and which also make up the link with the horizontal rod going to
> the front to the gearbox.
>
> But i see/feel no excessive play on these bushings. Seems to me possibly
> rather something in the gearbox itself, the connection piece between the
> gear selector pin in the gearbox and the reverse gear toothed wheel itself.
> the wear on bushings and rings which guide the gear shift stick motion on
> two axes and which also make up the link with the horizontal rod going to
> the front to the gearbox.
>
> But i see/feel no excessive play on these bushings. Seems to me possibly
> rather something in the gearbox itself, the connection piece between the
> gear selector pin in the gearbox and the reverse gear toothed wheel itself.
> I'm puzzled because i can't find any play on these bushings. Not that i
> distrust the dealer, but somehow the given explanation goes against my own
> logic ;-)...
>
> Any ideas anyone ?
It almost certainly is the bushing, even though there seems to be no
> distrust the dealer, but somehow the given explanation goes against my own
> logic ;-)...
>
> Any ideas anyone ?
play. There's very little movement needed by the gear box rod anyway.
Diamond Auto Parts will probably sell the genuine part for a slightly
less extortionate sum of money than the franchise dealers
edwin
Dec 4, 2013, 5:17:46 PM12/4/13
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"Tim+" <timdow...@nospampleaseyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I'm still struggling to explain the contradictions - if shift stick bushings
are really worn, would the link beneath still touch the exhaust ?
I hope the dealer that advised has a clear vieuw on the situation - will
cost me 30 euro and an hours work ...
Otherwise I'm without perspectives
Thank you all, hoping for a convincing idea
Cheers
Edwin
shazzbat
Dec 5, 2013, 5:30:32 AM12/5/13
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"edwin" <n...@o.ne> wrote in message
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If so, then favourite would be misalignment of the linkage.
Steve
edwin
Dec 5, 2013, 9:39:56 AM12/5/13
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"shazzbat" <shaz...@spamlessness.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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No changes occured to the vehicle, the "shift in reverse" problems began
suddenly without any provocation.
I have to mention, that this morning, with a cold car, I could shift twice
in reverse, before the vehicle got driven warm.
If the play on the shift stick guindance bushings would be the cause, it
seems unlikely that the gear could be set in reverse with a cold car and
gear, doesn't it ?
Since there exists a specific kit from the dealer exists for those bushings,
I will try that of course, and will report back to the group.
Cheers all,
edwin
Adrian
Dec 5, 2013, 10:01:25 AM12/5/13
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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:39:56 +0100, edwin wrote:
> No changes occured to the vehicle
No increase in the amount of wear to any of the joints? No increase in
> No changes occured to the vehicle
the amount of sag in ageing engine mounts?
edwin
Dec 5, 2013, 10:41:39 AM12/5/13
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"Adrian" <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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course.
But there are no connections throughout the linkage "shiftstick to gearbox"
that make adjustments possible.
AFAIK the linkage must continue to function throught the entire car's life.
The gearbox has been changed at 30K kilometers, never had any problems. Now
it has 160K kilometers.
The exhaust is still in exactly the same place as before, as I said, there
are 4x clamps the entire length of the exhaust.
Will report back after I changed the linkage's nylon bushings.
Thanks,
Edwin
Nick Finnigan
Dec 6, 2013, 5:07:56 PM12/6/13
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On 05/12/2013 14:39, edwin wrote:
>
> Since there exists a specific kit from the dealer exists for those bushings,
> I will try that of course, and will report back to the group.
IIRC the kit is two identical sets of bushings, and the front one is
>
> Since there exists a specific kit from the dealer exists for those bushings,
> I will try that of course, and will report back to the group.
either much easier to fit or more likely to have failed, and you may only
need to fit one.
Grimly Curmudgeon
Dec 7, 2013, 11:18:36 PM12/7/13
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On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 23:17:46 +0100, "edwin" <n...@o.ne> wrote:
>I'm still struggling to explain the contradictions - if shift stick bushings
>are really worn,
Horrible memories of the utterly shit linkages that used to be on
>I'm still struggling to explain the contradictions - if shift stick bushings
>are really worn,
column-shift cars of my banger youth... You would find all sorts of
strange effects and you could fiddle and adjust until you were blue in
the face, but the only thing that worked was replacement of bushes and
rods where necessary.
Until the next time.
edwin
Dec 9, 2013, 5:17:48 PM12/9/13
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"Grimly Curmudgeon" <gri...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Came from the dealer today, and especially one location on the pushrod with
bushings mounted would explain all the symptoms I described.
Hopefully thursday I will know the outcome - a friend will let me use his
maintenance pit -, and will have reverse gear again at my disposition ...
Cheers,
Edwin
edwin
Dec 10, 2013, 3:43:06 AM12/10/13
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"Nick Finnigan" <n...@genie.co.uk> wrote in message
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You're right, quite likely.
The one bushing who most endures stresses and wear is the bushing linking
the horizontal rod to the gearbox.
The price of the parts is only 12 euro's...
Thanks for taking an interest and I will report thursday.
The design is a bit flawed, according to the dealer it's a typical problem,
something specific dealers should know..
Now that I've brought it to people's attention, maybe someone else will also
benefit from the discussion.
Edwin
edwin
Dec 12, 2013, 8:59:28 AM12/12/13
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Hello everyone ( who took an interest ),
The problem I posted about, trouble shifting in reverse and 5th gear, has
been solved by just replacing the front bushing set, next to the gearbox. It
took 10 minutes, repair was done just on the driveway of my neighbours
house.
The official dealer was even so kind to split the complete bushing kit I had
ordered and just sell me the front bushing set. It lowered the price of
repair to just 12 euros instead of 35 euros. The only trouble was that the
bolt and nut I had to loosen was seriously overtightened, I used WD-40
succesfully.
Trouble is, I did not find excessive play when I took it apart, so the
bushing link must be reasonably precise and very sensitive to wear.
I hope no one minds about me having been blind regarding this matter. It
took too many posts.
I nevertheless thank you all for your input. Hope this posting eventually
helps someone else too.
Cheers,
Edwin
The problem I posted about, trouble shifting in reverse and 5th gear, has
been solved by just replacing the front bushing set, next to the gearbox. It
took 10 minutes, repair was done just on the driveway of my neighbours
house.
The official dealer was even so kind to split the complete bushing kit I had
ordered and just sell me the front bushing set. It lowered the price of
repair to just 12 euros instead of 35 euros. The only trouble was that the
bolt and nut I had to loosen was seriously overtightened, I used WD-40
succesfully.
Trouble is, I did not find excessive play when I took it apart, so the
bushing link must be reasonably precise and very sensitive to wear.
I hope no one minds about me having been blind regarding this matter. It
took too many posts.
I nevertheless thank you all for your input. Hope this posting eventually
helps someone else too.
Cheers,
Edwin
shazzbat
Dec 12, 2013, 10:44:38 AM12/12/13
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Result. Thanks for letting us know.
Steve
Steve
direc...@googlemail.com
Nov 23, 2014, 9:23:50 PM11/23/14
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-MITSUBISHI-CARISMA-MANUAL-GEAR-BOX-LINKAGE-BUSH-KIT-/261566275160?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3ce6909e58
I have the same problem.
The kits for mitsubishi carisma and mitsubishi space star are same.
unfortunately I cannot find O-rings? They were not marked on your picture but I suppose they should be replaced same time with the kit.
Maker: Mitsubishi
Part N,PNC/ Part Code.../ Description...../ Years.............../ Spec / OEM Part N / Required per car/ PNC
24581B / MR196827 / O-RING,GEARSHIFT LINK / 04/2001- 12/2004 / D=14/ MF520009 / 2 / 23988P
24581E / MR196957 / O-RING,GEARSHIFT LINK / 04/2001- 12/2004
24581F / MR196957 / O-RING,GEARSHIFT LINK / 04/2001- 12/2004
Pictures:
http://www.megazip.ru/zapchasti-dlya-avtomobilej/mitsubishi/space-star-4415/dg1a-10890/lnjer6-166856#g1897295/mehanizm-napolinoy-mkpp
http://www.partsbase.org/mitsubishi/space-star-eur-nedcar-eu-1998-2004-dg1a-lnjjl6-manual-transmission-200-m-t-floor-shift-linkage-speedometer-gear/
http://autopartmaster.com/en/?action=catalog_show&cat=mitsubishi&t_id=55059&id_pic=249652
PS: Mitsubishi Space Star 1.3, 2002, manual, petrol, engine: DG1A
I have the same problem.
The kits for mitsubishi carisma and mitsubishi space star are same.
unfortunately I cannot find O-rings? They were not marked on your picture but I suppose they should be replaced same time with the kit.
Maker: Mitsubishi
Part N,PNC/ Part Code.../ Description...../ Years.............../ Spec / OEM Part N / Required per car/ PNC
24581B / MR196827 / O-RING,GEARSHIFT LINK / 04/2001- 12/2004 / D=14/ MF520009 / 2 / 23988P
24581E / MR196957 / O-RING,GEARSHIFT LINK / 04/2001- 12/2004
24581F / MR196957 / O-RING,GEARSHIFT LINK / 04/2001- 12/2004
Pictures:
http://www.megazip.ru/zapchasti-dlya-avtomobilej/mitsubishi/space-star-4415/dg1a-10890/lnjer6-166856#g1897295/mehanizm-napolinoy-mkpp
http://www.partsbase.org/mitsubishi/space-star-eur-nedcar-eu-1998-2004-dg1a-lnjjl6-manual-transmission-200-m-t-floor-shift-linkage-speedometer-gear/
http://autopartmaster.com/en/?action=catalog_show&cat=mitsubishi&t_id=55059&id_pic=249652
PS: Mitsubishi Space Star 1.3, 2002, manual, petrol, engine: DG1A
ratc...@gmail.com
Aug 25, 2015, 8:57:24 AM8/25/15
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Thankfully this topic is still limping on. We were having a similar problem; having to pull the knob up to get 1st sometimes getting reverse which was "interesting" at times. Having tried to adjust the gear linkage which resulted in much swearing and losing 5th or reverse (couldn't get both) decided to try and get a replacement linkage (rarer than hen's teeth). After an age trying & failing (thank goodness)to get a replacement "Googled" the problem and your post came top. A new £32 replacement bush kit is now on it's way from a seller on ebay. The front bush was available for £13 but decided to go for the full kit just in case. Our local parts supplier couldn't supply & I didn't dare go near the main dealer as they are usually expensive.
THANKS
R
THANKS
R
akyal...@gmail.com
Oct 20, 2016, 9:56:07 AM10/20/16
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Having same problem on my space star is it easy to replace front bushes
Earl Dennis
May 12, 2018, 2:18:03 PM5/12/18
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replying to edwin, Earl Dennis wrote:
I had same problems. Could not unscrew gear knob so I cut it off. The knob is
glued to a knurled end. It does not screw off. I did not notice any play in
the cab bushes but there seemed to be play at the gear box end. The cab bushes
I bought were the wrong ones. To tackle the problem of needing a new gear knob
I bought a universal one. With this you can adjust the height. Adjusted the
height until I could get reverse and voila.
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for full context, visit https://www.motorsforum.com/maintenance-uk/punto-annoyance-47689-.htm
I had same problems. Could not unscrew gear knob so I cut it off. The knob is
glued to a knurled end. It does not screw off. I did not notice any play in
the cab bushes but there seemed to be play at the gear box end. The cab bushes
I bought were the wrong ones. To tackle the problem of needing a new gear knob
I bought a universal one. With this you can adjust the height. Adjusted the
height until I could get reverse and voila.
--
for full context, visit https://www.motorsforum.com/maintenance-uk/punto-annoyance-47689-.htm
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