wheel nut torque

[Cursitor Doom]

The Haynes manual for this particular car I've been working on states
that the road wheel nuts should be done up to 45ft/lb. This struck me as
far too low. So I've done 'em up to 75ft/lb instead. After all, the
wallahs down at National or ATS probably go even higher than that with
their rattle guns. But seriously, 45ft/lb?? Can that possibly be correct?




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[Tim+]

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> The Haynes manual for this particular car I've been working on states
> that the road wheel nuts should be done up to 45ft/lb. This struck me as
> far too low. So I've done 'em up to 75ft/lb instead. After all, the
> wallahs down at National or ATS probably go even higher than that with
> their rattle guns. But seriously, 45ft/lb?? Can that possibly be correct?
>

Dunno. What do the manufacturers specify?

https://blobs.continental-tires.com/www8/servlet/blob/1080706/71cfb5154e939befc74980e98145e9a3/download-torque-settings-data.pdf

It seems low compared to others listed on this site but as you’ve not given
make/model/year you’ve rather limited the advice anyone can offer. I
wouldn’t trust a third party manual for accurate information though.

Tim

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[MrCheerful]

45 lb/ft is standard for many older cars, any higher torque can deform
the wheel nut location in the wheel itself and can lead to the wheel
becoming loose and tearing off completely.

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

With the greatest of respects to Mr Cheerful:
On a Mk 1/2/3 Cortina, Hillman Hunter, Nissan Bluebird, Talbot Samba, Nissan
Micra and many more sheds, I just tightened up the nuts until it felt right.
I still have the wheel brace which cost me a quid 46 years ago. A lot of
money was a quid in them days.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 18:28:41 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

> https://blobs.continental-tires.com/www8/servlet/
> blob/1080706/71cfb5154e939befc74980e98145e9a3/download-torque-settings-
> data.pdf

Newton metres? Urgh!! Might as well be in Chinese.

> It seems low compared to others listed on this site but as you’ve not
> given make/model/year you’ve rather limited the advice anyone can offer.
> I wouldn’t trust a third party manual for accurate information though.

Very wise. Yes, I should have mentioned the car in question this time is
a '66 Mk X Jag.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 20:57:54 +0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

> With the greatest of respects to Mr Cheerful:
> On a Mk 1/2/3 Cortina, Hillman Hunter, Nissan Bluebird, Talbot Samba,
> Nissan Micra and many more sheds, I just tightened up the nuts until it
> felt right.

That's what I've done in essence.

> I still have the wheel brace which cost me a quid 46 years ago. A lot of
> money was a quid in them days.

Yes, amazingly one pound bought 8 pints of bitter in 1972. Now it costs
about 8 quid just for 2 fucking pints! No wonder so many pubs are closing.

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 20:57:54 +0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>
>> With the greatest of respects to Mr Cheerful:
>> On a Mk 1/2/3 Cortina, Hillman Hunter, Nissan Bluebird, Talbot Samba,
>> Nissan Micra and many more sheds, I just tightened up the nuts until
>> it felt right.
>
> That's what I've done in essence.

Yip! And oddly enough the wheels did not fall off.

>
>> I still have the wheel brace which cost me a quid 46 years ago. A
>> lot of money was a quid in them days.
>
> Yes, amazingly one pound bought 8 pints of bitter in 1972. Now it
> costs about 8 quid just for 2 fucking pints! No wonder so many pubs
> are closing.

30p a pint of lager in the rough end of the Number 3 posh pub in Blackpool,
this in maybe 1978. This was a very posh pub!
The amount of pubs closing down is tragic. Tennants/owners have lost their
homes.

[MrCheerful]

The standard wheel brace, used sensibly, will do the nuts up just fine,
but over doing it or under doing it, can certainly be dangerous. Modern
alloy wheel nuts are done up to levels of torque that would wreck the
old steel wheels and snap studs.

Many people do not have any mechanical feel, and for them it is
important that they have a foolproof way of doing the nuts/studs up to
the correct tension, and checking them after a week or so.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p2u5jb$i8u$2...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> Very wise. Yes, I should have mentioned the car in question this time is
> a '66 Mk X Jag.

Can you not find a genuine Jag manual? Or ask the owners club if they have
that data?

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p2u1l4$2q9$1...@dont-email.me>,

Mr Pounder Esquire <MrPo...@RationalThought.com> wrote:
> With the greatest of respects to Mr Cheerful: On a Mk 1/2/3 Cortina,
> Hillman Hunter, Nissan Bluebird, Talbot Samba, Nissan Micra and many
> more sheds, I just tightened up the nuts until it felt right. I still
> have the wheel brace which cost me a quid 46 years ago. A lot of money
> was a quid in them days.

If you used the supplied wheelbrace, doing them up as tight as possible
may well be near enough, as they are vastly over engineered.

Once you use something that provides more than that leverage comes the
problem.

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[MrCheerful]

On 08/01/2018 11:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <p2u5jb$i8u$2...@dont-email.me>,
> Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>> Very wise. Yes, I should have mentioned the car in question this time is
>> a '66 Mk X Jag.

I thought he said it would do 155mph, is he going to get it dropped out
of the back of a C130?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p2tna8$i8u$1...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> The Haynes manual for this particular car I've been working on states
> that the road wheel nuts should be done up to 45ft/lb. This struck me as
> far too low. So I've done 'em up to 75ft/lb instead. After all, the
> wallahs down at National or ATS probably go even higher than that with
> their rattle guns. But seriously, 45ft/lb?? Can that possibly be correct?

I've got the factory manuals for the SI-III XJ6 which followed on from the
Mk10. Wheel nut torque is given there as 45 ft.lb.

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[Tim+]

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 18:28:41 +0000, Tim+ wrote:
>
>> https://blobs.continental-tires.com/www8/servlet/
>> blob/1080706/71cfb5154e939befc74980e98145e9a3/download-torque-settings-
>> data.pdf
>
> Newton metres? Urgh!! Might as well be in Chinese.
>
>> It seems low compared to others listed on this site but as you’ve not
>> given make/model/year you’ve rather limited the advice anyone can offer.
>> I wouldn’t trust a third party manual for accurate information though.
>
> Very wise. Yes, I should have mentioned the car in question this time is
> a '66 Mk X Jag.

You might enjoy this rebuild then. (Slotting a V12 into a Mk10). It’s in 10
parts but I’m sure you’ll find the rest easily enough. Sadly seems to be
lacking the final “firing up” one.

https://youtu.be/vIh2iFWKwRk

[Robin]

I'm surprised it's aerodynamic enough to have so high a terminal
velocity :)

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[MrCheerful]

On 08/01/2018 15:58, Robin wrote:
> On 08/01/2018 13:24, MrCheerful wrote:
>> On 08/01/2018 11:24, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <p2u5jb$i8u$2...@dont-email.me>,
>>>     Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>> Very wise. Yes, I should have mentioned the car in question this
>>>> time is
>>>> a '66 Mk X Jag.
>>
>>
>> I thought he said it would do 155mph, is he going to get it dropped
>> out of the back of a C130?
>
> I'm surprised it's aerodynamic enough to have so high a terminal
> velocity :)
>

Well it would definitely be nose heavy, and the shape is quite swoopy,
so it might get there. I would pay a tenner to watch the experiment live.

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

Seems that I must be gifted with that feel.
However, I can remember taking the cylinder head off a Ford Zephyr 6 and
shearing the bolt off in the block when I put it back.
Using a small hammer, a small screwdiver and two trembling hands the bolt
came out.

[newshound]

That's the V12 which had a service interval of 3000 miles, and needed it
because the three twin choke carbs went far enough out of adjustment in
that time to wreck the performance?

(Mate of mine was a Sales Rep when the XJS came out, "Salesman of the
month" was given one for the month. he took me out for a spin in it when
the service was due in 500 miles).

[Peter Hill]

Used to go to college with a guy that worked for Pirelli in Burton. They
had a V12 XJS on the test fleet, he said they were forever complaining
about it only running on 8. Even on 8 it still did 120 something on the
nearby test track between Burton and Derby.

[Tim+]

newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
> On 08/01/2018 14:43, Tim+ wrote:
>> Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 18:28:41 +0000, Tim+ wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://blobs.continental-tires.com/www8/servlet/
>>>> blob/1080706/71cfb5154e939befc74980e98145e9a3/download-torque-settings-
>>>> data.pdf
>>>
>>> Newton metres? Urgh!! Might as well be in Chinese.
>>>
>>>> It seems low compared to others listed on this site but as you’ve not
>>>> given make/model/year you’ve rather limited the advice anyone can offer.
>>>> I wouldn’t trust a third party manual for accurate information though.
>>>
>>> Very wise. Yes, I should have mentioned the car in question this time is
>>> a '66 Mk X Jag.
>>
>> You might enjoy this rebuild then. (Slotting a V12 into a Mk10). It’s in 10
>> parts but I’m sure you’ll find the rest easily enough. Sadly seems to be
>> lacking the final “firing up” one.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/vIh2iFWKwRk
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> That's the V12 which had a service interval of 3000 miles, and needed it
> because the three twin choke carbs went far enough out of adjustment in
> that time to wreck the performance?

Um, no, I don’t think so. It looks to have 2x6 branch manifolds and fuel
injection although I grant you it’s not easy to see.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<202498288.537136002.578...@news.individual.net>,

Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's the V12 which had a service interval of 3000 miles, and needed
> > it because the three twin choke carbs went far enough out of
> > adjustment in that time to wreck the performance?

> Um, no, I don奏 think so. It looks to have 2x6 branch manifolds and fuel
> injection although I grant you it壮 not easy to see.

Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later EFI
version. Not that many carbs ones made.

It's one of those engines which is better on paper than in practice.

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[newshound]

On 09/01/2018 00:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article
> <202498288.537136002.578...@news.individual.net>,
> Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's the V12 which had a service interval of 3000 miles, and needed
>>> it because the three twin choke carbs went far enough out of
>>> adjustment in that time to wreck the performance?
>

>> Um, no, I don‘t think so. It looks to have 2x6 branch manifolds and fuel
>> injection although I grant you it‘s not easy to see.

>
> Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later EFI
> version. Not that many carbs ones made.

Not surprised really. Always seemed to me that a GT car which couldn't
get to the Riviera and back without a service was on to a loser.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 23:26:39 +0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

> The amount of pubs closing down is tragic. Tennants/owners have lost
> their homes.

The reason, as it often is, is greed. Greed by governments over-taxing
alcohol and greed on the part of the mega-brewers (and greed shown by
local and district councils setting massive rate levels). These fuckers
between them have wrung the life out of the pub trade.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:24:16 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:


> I thought he said it would do 155mph, is he going to get it dropped out
> of the back of a C130?

Different motor, Mr. C. I have a lot of classic cars passing through my
hands; some I keep; some I sell on straight away and others I just
evaluate for people.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 16:14:00 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:

> Well it would definitely be nose heavy, and the shape is quite swoopy,
> so it might get there. I would pay a tenner to watch the experiment
> live.

I think a MkX would just about make it to 120mph on a good day with a
tail wind, but I haven't looked it up anywhere. Performance was not their
strong suit (but silent, floaty opulence most surely was).

[Chris Whelan]

Cursitor Doom wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 23:26:39 +0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
>
>> The amount of pubs closing down is tragic. Tennants/owners have lost
>> their homes.
>
> The reason, as it often is, is greed. Greed by governments over-taxing
> alcohol and greed on the part of the mega-brewers (and greed shown by
> local and district councils setting massive rate levels). These fuckers
> between them have wrung the life out of the pub trade.

Pretty sure the drink-driving laws were involved to some degree also.

Chris

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[MrCheerful]

and the smoking laws were the final nail.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 14:43:50 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

> You might enjoy this rebuild then. (Slotting a V12 into a Mk10). It’s in
> 10 parts but I’m sure you’ll find the rest easily enough. Sadly seems to
> be lacking the final “firing up” one.
>
> https://youtu.be/vIh2iFWKwRk
>
> Tim

Yes, I saw that and IMV it's butchery. There ought to be a law against it.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 00:08:44 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article
> <202498288.537136002.578...@news.individual.net>,
> Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > That's the V12 which had a service interval of 3000 miles, and needed
>> > it because the three twin choke carbs went far enough out of
>> > adjustment in that time to wreck the performance?

I think you're getting mixed up here. The earlier E-type (and 420G) used
a straight six lump with triple SU carbs.

>> Um, no, I don‘t think so. It looks to have 2x6 branch manifolds and
>> fuel injection although I grant you it‘s not easy to see.

>
> Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later EFI
> version. Not that many carbs ones made.

I don't think there were *any* carb versions, Dave. AFAIK it's been Lucas
fuel injection right from the off.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:15:30 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:

> and the smoking laws were the final nail.

Even as a non-smoker I couldn't help noticing that when that ban came in
(which I was not in favour of) pubs just seemed to lose their soul.
They're clean nowadays - but sterile.

[newshound]

On 13/01/2018 00:22, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:15:30 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:
>
>> and the smoking laws were the final nail.
>
> Even as a non-smoker I couldn't help noticing that when that ban came in
> (which I was not in favour of) pubs just seemed to lose their soul.
> They're clean nowadays - but sterile.
>
>
>
>

Isn't it as much a change in drinking habits? Only two of my locals
maintain a steady trade through the week, and that is from regulars.
Four others within walking distance have been closed and re-opened
regularly over the past few years, in spite of apparently having
reasonable sized estates around them which provided steady trade once
upon a time.

[newshound]

On 12/01/2018 20:46, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 16:14:00 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:
>
>> Well it would definitely be nose heavy, and the shape is quite swoopy,
>> so it might get there. I would pay a tenner to watch the experiment
>> live.
>
> I think a MkX would just about make it to 120mph on a good day with a
> tail wind, but I haven't looked it up anywhere. Performance was not their
> strong suit (but silent, floaty opulence most surely was).
>
>
>

Great description!

[newshound]

On 12/01/2018 21:41, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 00:08:44 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <202498288.537136002.578...@news.individual.net>,
>> Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That's the V12 which had a service interval of 3000 miles, and needed
>>>> it because the three twin choke carbs went far enough out of
>>>> adjustment in that time to wreck the performance?
>
> I think you're getting mixed up here. The earlier E-type (and 420G) used
> a straight six lump with triple SU carbs.
>
>>> Um, no, I don‘t think so. It looks to have 2x6 branch manifolds and
>>> fuel injection although I grant you it‘s not easy to see.
>>
>> Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later EFI
>> version. Not that many carbs ones made.
>
> I don't think there were *any* carb versions, Dave. AFAIK it's been Lucas
> fuel injection right from the off.
>
>
>

No, I'm sure the original twelve cylinder XJS had three twin choke carbs
(Weber or Solex?). Can't remember the layout now.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3b6gb$d5e$4...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> The reason, as it often is, is greed. Greed by governments over-taxing
> alcohol and greed on the part of the mega-brewers (and greed shown by
> local and district councils setting massive rate levels). These fuckers
> between them have wrung the life out of the pub trade.

According to the landlords of the small pubs round here which have closed
in recent times, it was the smoking ban which was the main reason. They
lost most of their regulars.

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[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:25:13 +0000, newshound wrote:

> No, I'm sure the original twelve cylinder XJS had three twin choke carbs
> (Weber or Solex?). Can't remember the layout now.

Ah, you're talking about pre-production *prototypes* made from '73 to the
official launch 3.5 years later. They used Federal-spec V12 engines with
Zenith-Stromberg carbs for road and track-testing purposes. No production
vehicles were made with carbs so far as I've been able to tell.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3bjfl$d5e$1...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:15:30 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:

> > and the smoking laws were the final nail.

> Even as a non-smoker I couldn't help noticing that when that ban came in
> (which I was not in favour of) pubs just seemed to lose their soul.
> They're clean nowadays - but sterile.

Yes - lots and lots said the reason they didn't use pubs was the smoky
atmosphere. But when smoking was banned, didn't replace those customers
who did smoke, and no longer wanted to feel unwelcome.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3ba1p$d5e$8...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> > Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later EFI
> > version. Not that many carbs ones made.

> I don't think there were *any* carb versions, Dave. AFAIK it's been
> Lucas fuel injection right from the off.

You need to read up on the history. No production E-Type had EFI. Series
III XJ6 did. So both early XJ6 V12 and E-Type were carbs.

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[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:38:54 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> Yes - lots and lots said the reason they didn't use pubs was the smoky
> atmosphere. But when smoking was banned, didn't replace those customers
> who did smoke, and no longer wanted to feel unwelcome.

Exactly.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <p3ba1p$d5e$8...@dont-email.me>,
> Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>> > Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later EFI
>> > version. Not that many carbs ones made.
>
>> I don't think there were *any* carb versions, Dave. AFAIK it's been
>> Lucas fuel injection right from the off.
>
> You need to read up on the history. No production E-Type had EFI. Series
> III XJ6 did. So both early XJ6 V12 and E-Type were carbs.

Not talking about those, Dave. Just the XJ-S.

[MrCheerful]

On 13/01/2018 11:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <p3bjfl$d5e$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:15:30 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:
>
>>> and the smoking laws were the final nail.
>
>> Even as a non-smoker I couldn't help noticing that when that ban came in
>> (which I was not in favour of) pubs just seemed to lose their soul.
>> They're clean nowadays - but sterile.
>
>
> Yes - lots and lots said the reason they didn't use pubs was the smoky
> atmosphere. But when smoking was banned, didn't replace those customers
> who did smoke, and no longer wanted to feel unwelcome.
>

I could not stand the smoke in pubs, and stopped using them because of
the smoke long before the smoking ban, I just never went back.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <A4ednaugxYwBccTH...@brightview.co.uk>,

newshound <news...@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
> > I don't think there were *any* carb versions, Dave. AFAIK it's been
> > Lucas fuel injection right from the off.
> >
> >
> >
> No, I'm sure the original twelve cylinder XJS had three twin choke carbs
> (Weber or Solex?). Can't remember the layout now.

The E-Type I remember had 4 Solex Stromberg (SU type of carb)

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3crrr$afh$4...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > In article <p3ba1p$d5e$8...@dont-email.me>,
> > Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> >> > Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later EFI
> >> > version. Not that many carbs ones made.
> >
> >> I don't think there were *any* carb versions, Dave. AFAIK it's been
> >> Lucas fuel injection right from the off.
> >
> > You need to read up on the history. No production E-Type had EFI. Series
> > III XJ6 did. So both early XJ6 V12 and E-Type were carbs.

> Not talking about those, Dave. Just the XJ-S.

Ah. My post referred to the engine.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <9Kn6C.176735$q8.6...@fx07.am4>,

Yes. That seemed par for the course. People wanting something banned which
didn't effect them.

There was no earthly reason why a pub couldn't choose to be a smoker's one
or smoke free. They are not an essential place like say a railway station
or other public building.

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[tony sayer]

In article <p2u5jb$i8u$2...@dont-email.me>, Cursitor Doom
<cu...@notformail.com> scribeth thus

>On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 18:28:41 +0000, Tim+ wrote:
>
>> https://blobs.continental-tires.com/www8/servlet/
>> blob/1080706/71cfb5154e939befc74980e98145e9a3/download-torque-settings-
>> data.pdf
>
>Newton metres? Urgh!! Might as well be in Chinese.
>
>> It seems low compared to others listed on this site but as you’ve not
>> given make/model/year you’ve rather limited the advice anyone can offer.
>> I wouldn’t trust a third party manual for accurate information though.
>
>Very wise. Yes, I should have mentioned the car in question this time is
>a '66 Mk X Jag.
>
>
>
>

Theres a firm called Jagutek up this way could mail/phone Kevin there
and ask and if he doesn't know then no one will;!..



http://www.jagutek.co.uk/

--
Tony Sayer

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:12:20 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> There was no earthly reason why a pub couldn't choose to be a smoker's
> one or smoke free. They are not an essential place like say a railway
> station or other public building.

Or smoking and non-smoking bars in the same pub! But that wouldn't have
satisfied the preachy health Nazis I guess.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:06:53 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> The E-Type I remember had 4 Solex Stromberg (SU type of carb)

Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the four exhaust pipes?

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:09:30 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <p3crrr$afh$4...@dont-email.me>,
> Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:36:15 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> > In article <p3ba1p$d5e$8...@dont-email.me>,
>> > Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Pretty well all the V12s you'll pick up easily will be the later
>> >> > EFI version. Not that many carbs ones made.
>> >
>> >> I don't think there were *any* carb versions, Dave. AFAIK it's been
>> >> Lucas fuel injection right from the off.
>> >
>> > You need to read up on the history. No production E-Type had EFI.
>> > Series III XJ6 did. So both early XJ6 V12 and E-Type were carbs.
>
>> Not talking about those, Dave. Just the XJ-S.
>
> Ah. My post referred to the engine.

Newsy introduced the XJS at some point above and Peter H. ran with it, so
by this point.. oh well, you get the idea. We were obviously at x-
purposes.

[MrCheerful]

On 13/01/2018 14:12, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <9Kn6C.176735$q8.6...@fx07.am4>,
> MrCheerful <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 13/01/2018 11:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <p3bjfl$d5e$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 21:15:30 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:
>>>
>>>>> and the smoking laws were the final nail.
>>>
>>>> Even as a non-smoker I couldn't help noticing that when that ban came in
>>>> (which I was not in favour of) pubs just seemed to lose their soul.
>>>> They're clean nowadays - but sterile.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes - lots and lots said the reason they didn't use pubs was the smoky
>>> atmosphere. But when smoking was banned, didn't replace those customers
>>> who did smoke, and no longer wanted to feel unwelcome.
>>>
>
>> I could not stand the smoke in pubs, and stopped using them because of
>> the smoke long before the smoking ban, I just never went back.
>
> Yes. That seemed par for the course. People wanting something banned which
> didn't effect them.
>
> There was no earthly reason why a pub couldn't choose to be a smoker's one
> or smoke free. They are not an essential place like say a railway station
> or other public building.
>

I did not foresee or expect that smoking would ever be banned in pubs.
In retrospect, part of the problem is the change over to central
heating, when I was young, every pub had an open fire which caused a
good number of air changes per hour, I also think that the change of
tobacco additives caused the fumes to become more acrid, that, coupled
with the stagnant atmosphere caused pubs to just fill with eye watering
stench. After a short while in there you needed a shower and to wash
all your clothes, I did not think the costs were worth the results.

[Peter Hill]

On 13-Jan-18 2:25 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:12:20 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> There was no earthly reason why a pub couldn't choose to be a smoker's
>> one or smoke free. They are not an essential place like say a railway
>> station or other public building.
>
> Or smoking and non-smoking bars in the same pub! But that wouldn't have
> satisfied the preachy health Nazis I guess.

Can you believe that they used to have rooms in pubs called "the Smoke".

Trouble is they let people smoke in "the snug" and "the lounge".

The price of supermarket alcohol compared to pub prices means that they
are empty unless they have some form of entertainment - be it a band,
bingo or meat raffle. The only way most "pubs" can make a living these
days is selling food.

[Tim+]

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 14:43:50 +0000, Tim+ wrote:
>
>> You might enjoy this rebuild then. (Slotting a V12 into a Mk10). It’s in
>> 10 parts but I’m sure you’ll find the rest easily enough. Sadly seems to
>> be lacking the final “firing up” one.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/vIh2iFWKwRk
>>
>> Tim
>
> Yes, I saw that and IMV it's butchery. There ought to be a law against it.

Hope you didn’t watch this week’s episode of “Grand Tour” then. ;-)

Tim


--
Please don't feed the trolls

[Mr Pounder Esquire]

I can remember driving down Blackpool promeade at about 1am and seeing two
doormen stood by the door of a basement night club. They were surrounded by
fag smoke coming up from the club, it was like a fog.
They must have stunk to high heaven when they finished work.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:00:05 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:

> I did not foresee or expect that smoking would ever be banned in pubs.
> In retrospect, part of the problem is the change over to central
> heating, when I was young, every pub had an open fire which caused a
> good number of air changes per hour, I also think that the change of
> tobacco additives caused the fumes to become more acrid, that, coupled
> with the stagnant atmosphere caused pubs to just fill with eye watering
> stench. After a short while in there you needed a shower and to wash
> all your clothes, I did not think the costs were worth the results.

I don't think the English pubs have ever been half as bad as the bars in
France and Germany (in any given year). Even as recently as 2011 I *had*
to leave a bar in relatively clean Hannover because I could neither see
nor breathe for cigarette smoke. And further East in places like Leipzig
in Saxony it was even worse... unbelievable.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 17:36:04 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

> Hope you didn’t watch this week’s episode of “Grand Tour” then. ;-)
>
> Tim

There's nothing those 3 great blokes can do that I would ever
proscribe. :-D

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3d4vm$afh$7...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:06:53 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > The E-Type I remember had 4 Solex Stromberg (SU type of carb)

> Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the four exhaust pipes?

I take it you've never seen under the bonnet of a V12 E-Type? ;-)

--
*Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? *

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3ddf1$2cvk$1...@adenine.netfront.net>,

Peter Hill <free...@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> The price of supermarket alcohol compared to pub prices means that they
> are empty unless they have some form of entertainment - be it a band,
> bingo or meat raffle. The only way most "pubs" can make a living these
> days is selling food.

Odd, isn't it? Apparently people now drink at home due to it being
cheaper. But can afford to eat out in pubs.

--
*Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:09:21 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> In article <p3d4vm$afh$7...@dont-email.me>,
> Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:06:53 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> > The E-Type I remember had 4 Solex Stromberg (SU type of carb)
>
>> Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the four exhaust pipes?
>
> I take it you've never seen under the bonnet of a V12 E-Type? ;-)

I've seen under the bonnet of so many old cars I can't recall the precise
details of all of them! I'll take your word for it on this occasion.

[Peter Hill]

On 14-Jan-18 11:12 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <p3ddf1$2cvk$1...@adenine.netfront.net>,
> Peter Hill <free...@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> The price of supermarket alcohol compared to pub prices means that they
>> are empty unless they have some form of entertainment - be it a band,
>> bingo or meat raffle. The only way most "pubs" can make a living these
>> days is selling food.
>
> Odd, isn't it? Apparently people now drink at home due to it being
> cheaper. But can afford to eat out in pubs.
>

The people that used to eat out didn't frequent pubs. They went to hotel
dinning rooms, grills (usually a Bernie by the 70's) or places that did
afternoon and high tea. With the rise of 2 income families in the late
70's women were unable to spend the afternoon preparing a meal from
scratch and even less inclined to start on getting home from work. Women
decided they like eating out.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3fgrs$dtg$1...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:09:21 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > In article <p3d4vm$afh$7...@dont-email.me>,
> > Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:06:53 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> >
> >> > The E-Type I remember had 4 Solex Stromberg (SU type of carb)
> >
> >> Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with the four exhaust pipes?
> >
> > I take it you've never seen under the bonnet of a V12 E-Type? ;-)

> I've seen under the bonnet of so many old cars I can't recall the
> precise details of all of them! I'll take your word for it on this
> occasion.

I had a mate with one. 2+2 auto. Dreadful car. My Rover P6 3500S with an
engine half the size would leave it for dead away from the lights. And had
room for 4 real people too. ;-)

The injection models were a lot better. But still nowhere like a V12 of
that size should be.

--
*Few women admit their age; fewer men act it.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3fjnk$fab$1...@adenine.netfront.net>,

But still drink at home to save money?

When I had a decent local I used to enjoy a pint or two of decent bitter.
Not something you can buy from a supermarket. A glass of wine tastes the
same anywhere.

--
*Geeks shall inherit the earth *

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:00:47 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> I had a mate with one. 2+2 auto. Dreadful car. My Rover P6 3500S with an
> engine half the size would leave it for dead away from the lights. And
> had room for 4 real people too. ;-)

I had a 3.5 P6, too. Great car, but there must have been something
seriously wrong with that E.

>
> The injection models were a lot better. But still nowhere like a V12 of
> that size should be.

They'd probably have got more grunt (and certainly better power/weight)
out of a V8 of the same capacity. Anyway, just changing the plugs on a
Jag V12 takes the best part of a day if you're lucky (and you can bet the
forward ones, which are a pain to get to, will not want to come out 'cos
hardly anyone has the service tool for their removal).

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3ftqd$dtg$1...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:00:47 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> > I had a mate with one. 2+2 auto. Dreadful car. My Rover P6 3500S with an
> > engine half the size would leave it for dead away from the lights. And
> > had room for 4 real people too. ;-)

> I had a 3.5 P6, too. Great car, but there must have been something
> seriously wrong with that E.

Look up the performance figures for a V12 2+2 auto. Difficult to find, as
few mags ever tested autos.

> >
> > The injection models were a lot better. But still nowhere like a V12 of
> > that size should be.

> They'd probably have got more grunt (and certainly better power/weight)
> out of a V8 of the same capacity. Anyway, just changing the plugs on a
> Jag V12 takes the best part of a day if you're lucky (and you can bet
> the forward ones, which are a pain to get to, will not want to come out
> 'cos hardly anyone has the service tool for their removal).

A work mate with an XLS reckoned he could do it in a morning. But he did
have a doctorate in engieering. ;-) Think he removed the air con first.

--
*If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? *

[T i m]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 17:59:00 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
<MrPo...@RationalThought.com> wrote:

<snip>

>I can remember driving down Blackpool promeade at about 1am and seeing two
>doormen stood by the door of a basement night club. They were surrounded by
>fag smoke coming up from the club, it was like a fog.
>They must have stunk to high heaven when they finished work.

Yup. I designed, built and ran a mobile disco for about 7 years and
all my gear (not just my clothes) stank after a typical gig.

It didn't all stink of beer or G&T's, it didn't stink of cheese and
onion crisps or the buffet ... or even the curry meal, it stunk of the
'waste' smoke and fumes from people burning dried leaves *indoors*.
;-)

On some stuff, especially fans on power amps would also build up a
sticky film, as if you needed any RW proof that the same was also
going on inside all of us.

Standing on the stage you could often look out and see the cloud of
smoke from the ceiling down.

It was mostly down to the passive smoking that I gave up an otherwise
fun hobby.

I always predicted that it would eventually be banned in public places
and often made the owner of any eating place aware of why we weren't
eating or drinking there or why we were leaving early (FWIWW,
especially in the early days).


Cheers, T i m

[Peter Hill]

I recently had to look at a mates PVR, the aerial connector had sheared
off the RF can. On opening the lid I found evidence of a fire, so I
spent 10 min looking for burnt components before I realised it was cigar
smoke. The fix took less time, I soldered a length of co-ax on to the RF
board and put a socket on the end of it.

[MrCheerful]

About 40 years ago a non-smoking friend of mine was a TV repairman, he
went out to see a set with 'poor colour' No fault found, but he cleaned
half the screen and left it, the customer complained about his attitude.

[T i m]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 08:43:28 +0000, Peter Hill
<free...@skyshack.demon.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>I recently had to look at a mates PVR, the aerial connector had sheared
>off the RF can.

I've seen that (how do people do such things, along with ripping HDMI
connectors out of the back of games consoles)? ;-(

>On opening the lid I found evidence of a fire, so I
>spent 10 min looking for burnt components before I realised it was cigar
>smoke.

Yuck. Just seeing the word 'cigar' makes me nauseous as Dad used to
smoke one now and again and even with the windows open in the car I
would very often actually be sick.

>The fix took less time, I soldered a length of co-ax on to the RF
>board and put a socket on the end of it.

Even as a kid I used to fix things for people (portable radios, record
players, cars <g>) and I could generally tell within seconds if the
equipment came from a smoker or not by the layer of tar all over it
(or the yellow headlining) etc.

It's no wonder people are proud to advertise clothes and kit on the
likes of eBay as 'From a smoke free home'.

I bought a couple of cheap second hand 4 port KVM switches off ebay
and they stuck of fags so much I had to 1) leave them outside to air
and then 2) wipe them down with a detergenty cloth to get rid of the
film and the remains of the smell.

Maybe it's having to deal with this sort of thing on inanimate objects
over many years was all the convincing I needed that it wasn't a 'good
thing' for anyone, and that of course included me.

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <e7f36ddfnjng61v3o...@4ax.com>,

T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
> Maybe it's having to deal with this sort of thing on inanimate objects
> over many years was all the convincing I needed that it wasn't a 'good
> thing' for anyone, and that of course included me.

You need to visit an old public bar first thing in the morning to be put
off drinking too.

Used to film in several. Obviously, cheaper to do before they opened. And
the smell of stale beer from the carpet quite turned your stomach.

--
*You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me *

[T i m]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 11:17:00 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <e7f36ddfnjng61v3o...@4ax.com>,
> T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:
>> Maybe it's having to deal with this sort of thing on inanimate objects
>> over many years was all the convincing I needed that it wasn't a 'good
>> thing' for anyone, and that of course included me.
>
>You need to visit an old public bar first thing in the morning to be put
>off drinking too.

The nearest I have got to that was when a mate and I were running a
sound system though the bar / restaurant for a family member. We could
only work when the place was closed and whilst you could smell you
were in a pub type place when you went in first thing, it wasn't a
'spit and sawdust' place either.

However (and I know we have discussed this before), I really can't
remember the last time I had to deal with the perfectly predictable
side effect of passive drinking on my clothes or electronic equipment.
And I'm not talking about spillage here, I'm talking about after just
having my clothes or the equipment in the same room as one person
drinking?

>
>Used to film in several. Obviously, cheaper to do before they opened. And
>the smell of stale beer from the carpet quite turned your stomach.

I guess we all have our triggers ... it's just that ITRW, I personally
(and may people I know) have been blighted by having to endure (with
little in the way of recourse, short of missing out) being passive
smokers, not passive drinkers, or passive curry eaters or passive
candyflossers etc.

I could never understand the logic of how someone who wasn't doing
something that impacted anyone else had less rights than someone who
was (as anyone gently asking a smoker to refrain (say, till you had
finished your meal) would soon find out).

Smokers were like cats ... it seems that they weren't expected to
behave with any social responsibility and there *was* little the rest
of us could do about it. Now we *can* keep them out of our gardens and
social spaces (if only that was the case with cats ...). ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[MrCheerful]

One of my customers gave me a very nice large dining room unit with lit
cupboard, drawers etc. Only actually veneered chipboard, but nice
looking, when we got it home we realised it stank of smoke, and put it
straight outside, after spraying it with antistatic ambersil cleaner the
smoke/tar was just dripping off it, after cleaning the colour was
transformed, and we could bring it back in. If it had been real wood
the smell would have sunk in and stayed.

[T i m]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:26:13 +0000, MrCheerful
<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>> Maybe it's having to deal with this sort of thing on inanimate objects
>> over many years was all the convincing I needed that it wasn't a 'good
>> thing' for anyone, and that of course included me.
>>
>

>One of my customers gave me a very nice large dining room unit with lit
>cupboard, drawers etc. Only actually veneered chipboard, but nice
>looking, when we got it home we realised it stank of smoke,

Funny how the smell of these things can me masked when in their
environments.

>and put it
>straight outside, after spraying it with antistatic ambersil cleaner the
>smoke/tar was just dripping off it,

IMHO, *that* is the only example anyone should need to stop / ban
smoking. ;-)

> after cleaning the colour was
>transformed, and we could bring it back in.

Result. When we have cleaned such stuff down when you have had to lift
it off with a cloth, the colour of the water afterwards ... ;-(

>If it had been real wood
>the smell would have sunk in and stayed.

+1 for plastic wood veneer. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <s5j8C.389453$fm1....@fx17.am4>,

MrCheerful <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> About 40 years ago a non-smoking friend of mine was a TV repairman, he
> went out to see a set with 'poor colour' No fault found, but he cleaned
> half the screen and left it, the customer complained about his attitude.

But did he only charge half price for doing half the job?

--
*I did a theatrical performance about puns. It was a play on words.*

[MrCheerful]

On 19/01/2018 13:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <s5j8C.389453$fm1....@fx17.am4>,
> MrCheerful <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> About 40 years ago a non-smoking friend of mine was a TV repairman, he
>> went out to see a set with 'poor colour' No fault found, but he cleaned
>> half the screen and left it, the customer complained about his attitude.
>
> But did he only charge half price for doing half the job?
>

He was on contract to a shop, the callout was a guarantee job (might
even have been a rental TV back then)

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <gyn8C.274174$043....@fx27.am4>,

Ah - right. Happy to take his pay to do half a job. ;-)

No wonder people have seen sense and no longer rent TVs.

--
* I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid

[MrCheerful]

On 19/01/2018 16:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <gyn8C.274174$043....@fx27.am4>,
> MrCheerful <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/01/2018 13:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article <s5j8C.389453$fm1....@fx17.am4>,
>>> MrCheerful <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> About 40 years ago a non-smoking friend of mine was a TV repairman,
>>>> he went out to see a set with 'poor colour' No fault found, but he
>>>> cleaned half the screen and left it, the customer complained about
>>>> his attitude.
>>>
>>> But did he only charge half price for doing half the job?
>>>
>
>> He was on contract to a shop, the callout was a guarantee job (might
>> even have been a rental TV back then)
>
> Ah - right. Happy to take his pay to do half a job. ;-)
>
> No wonder people have seen sense and no longer rent TVs.
>

He was pissed off at the idea that he had to go out, simply because
someone is too lazy and stupid to clean their telly screen once in a
while.

He did know his TV repairs back then, my neighbour gave me a set with a
colour fault, my mate said 'I know what that needs' and gave it an
almighty slap on the case, instantly there was a really good picture!!
He later removed and cleaned one of the boards' edge connector, that TV
went for many years, before becoming beyond economic repair.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:06:05 +0000, MrCheerful wrote:

> He did know his TV repairs back then, my neighbour gave me a set with a
> colour fault, my mate said 'I know what that needs' and gave it an
> almighty slap on the case, instantly there was a really good picture!!

Yes, it often worked. We used to keep a wellington boot next to our old
black & white tellies back in the 60s for the same reason. I'm one of the
ever diminishing band of old farts who still fondly remember fiddling
with the vertical hold.

[T i m]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 17:06:05 +0000, MrCheerful

<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>He did know his TV repairs back then, my neighbour gave me a set with a
>colour fault, my mate said 'I know what that needs' and gave it an
>almighty slap on the case, instantly there was a really good picture!!
>He later removed and cleaned one of the boards' edge connector, that TV
>went for many years, before becoming beyond economic repair.

I also had a TV repair mate (had his own repair shop) who was like
that. I had a Sony Trinitron 'Monitor style' TV that went wrong a few
times over the 20 years or whatever we had it for and each time a
description of the fault over the phone was all that was needed for
him to drop the parts through my door with the note as to where there
component was to be found. ;-)

I made the point of dropping some cash though his door in return. ;-)

When flat screens came out and started getting cheaper he closed the
shop and went onto fixing vehicle ECU's where again, it's often a 5p
component that kills a '£1000' box. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 09:07:39 +0000, T i m wrote:

> When flat screens came out and started getting cheaper he closed the
> shop and went onto fixing vehicle ECU's where again, it's often a 5p
> component that kills a '£1000' box. ;-(

Very true. But those surface-mount components are getting smaller all the
time and we already have caps and resistors not much bigger than a grain
of salt. I know some people can still work on these, but it requires a
good eye and a very steady hand and I've got neither. Factor in custom
chips and no publicly-available service manuals to be found and it gets
worse still.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3va1t$a2$2...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 09:07:39 +0000, T i m wrote:

> > When flat screens came out and started getting cheaper he closed the
> > shop and went onto fixing vehicle ECU's where again, it's often a 5p
> > component that kills a '£1000' box. ;-(

> Very true. But those surface-mount components are getting smaller all the
> time and we already have caps and resistors not much bigger than a grain
> of salt. I know some people can still work on these, but it requires a
> good eye and a very steady hand and I've got neither. Factor in custom
> chips and no publicly-available service manuals to be found and it gets
> worse still.

Vast majority of faults these days tend to be in the PS. Most usually a
failed cap. And those are still pretty easy to replace, since a large cap
can't be miniaturised by much.



> -

--
*You're never too old to learn something stupid.

[T i m]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 11:43:57 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cu...@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 09:07:39 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> When flat screens came out and started getting cheaper he closed the
>> shop and went onto fixing vehicle ECU's where again, it's often a 5p
>> component that kills a '£1000' box. ;-(
>
>Very true. But those surface-mount components are getting smaller all the
>time and we already have caps and resistors not much bigger than a grain
>of salt.

Absolutely. Even my finest soldering iron tip looks like the end of a
scaffold pole under the USB microscope I have to use for anything
reasonably small these days. ;-(

> I know some people can still work on these, but it requires a
>good eye and a very steady hand and I've got neither.

It comes to us all mate. ;-(

With plenty of setup and the patience of a saint I can *usually* do
what needs doing as long as it's simple enough. The thing is toy also
often need a fair range of extra tools to do things easily. Like an IR
PCB pre-heater and hot air tools and masks. Luckily I have access to
such via a mate (and his help when required).

> Factor in custom
>chips and no publicly-available service manuals to be found and it gets
>worse still.

Exactly. I have a nice Sherwood surround sound receiver that can't use
as a receiver because the FM radio squelch circuit seems to have
failed. I think I found a diagram and have a good idea which bit it
could be but risk destroying the entire thing with a slip of the iron.
;-(

One day maybe ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <uld66dpc29fnuuuik...@4ax.com>,

T i m <ne...@spaced.me.uk> wrote:

> Exactly. I have a nice Sherwood surround sound receiver that can't use
> as a receiver because the FM radio squelch circuit seems to have
> failed. I think I found a diagram and have a good idea which bit it
> could be but risk destroying the entire thing with a slip of the iron.
> ;-(

Oddly, I made the mistake of offering to repair a Kenwood receiver/amp
which a pal had built in to the bedroom furniture. And couldn't find a new
one which would fit.

Googling KR A-46 schematic (or service manual) give pages of hits. But no
one appears to actually have it to download. Ebay offers one from germany
for about 50 quid including postage. I'd expect a complete working amp for
that. ;-)

The PS side is all discrete components and pretty basic. Indeed the actual
power amps still work if you inject a signal to the volume control. But
none of the switching, pre-amp or radio tuners or display worked.

A second PS on the main board provides +/- 14v and +/-5v, from a 28v rail.

A dropper resistor was rather obviously toast, as were a couple of
transistors. Sadly, the markings on the dropper resistor long since gone.
Hence wanting the schematic.

Tried running the 14v supply (after replacing the transistors) from a
bench top supply and measuring the current. To calculate the dropper
needed. Then adjust under test. ;-)

Have got it working, but it is drawing more current than the original 2w
wirewound would stand.

But it's been working OK all of today, so without a schematic I'll have to
declare it is the best I can do.

--
*Keep honking...I'm reloading.

[T i m]

Nice one! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 12:45:40 +0000, T i m wrote:

> With plenty of setup and the patience of a saint I can *usually* do what
> needs doing as long as it's simple enough. The thing is toy also often
> need a fair range of extra tools to do things easily. Like an IR PCB
> pre-heater and hot air tools and masks. Luckily I have access to such
> via a mate (and his help when required).

This is the way things are going. Car control systems are becoming so
complex and protected that the weekend DIY mechanic who enjoyed
maintaining his cars has to make a choice between owning modern cars and
subbing all the maintenance out to an authorised dealer (at sky high
prices) or turning his back on modern cars altogether and focusing on the
older, classic market. I know what I'm going to jolly well do!

[tony sayer]

I
.

>> I recently had to look at a mates PVR, the aerial connector had sheared
>> off the RF can. On opening the lid I found evidence of a fire, so I
>> spent 10 min looking for burnt components before I realised it was cigar
>> smoke. The fix took less time, I soldered a length of co-ax on to the RF
>> board and put a socket on the end of it.
>
>About 40 years ago a non-smoking friend of mine was a TV repairman, he
>went out to see a set with 'poor colour' No fault found, but he cleaned
>half the screen and left it, the customer complained about his attitude.

LOL! Bin there dun that was in that game in the 1970's and the shite
that people lived in inc baccy smoke was unbelievable.

Let alone poor old ladies who wet themselves cos they couldn't make the
bog in time or their carer wasn't around, yep! see it all in the
domestic TV trade;(..
--
Tony Sayer

[tony sayer]

In article <56bceab...@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
<da...@davenoise.co.uk> scribeth thus

>In article <gyn8C.274174$043....@fx27.am4>,
> MrCheerful <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/01/2018 13:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> > In article <s5j8C.389453$fm1....@fx17.am4>,
>> > MrCheerful <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> About 40 years ago a non-smoking friend of mine was a TV repairman,
>> >> he went out to see a set with 'poor colour' No fault found, but he
>> >> cleaned half the screen and left it, the customer complained about
>> >> his attitude.
>> >
>> > But did he only charge half price for doing half the job?
>> >
>
>> He was on contract to a shop, the callout was a guarantee job (might
>> even have been a rental TV back then)
>
>Ah - right. Happy to take his pay to do half a job. ;-)
>
>No wonder people have seen sense and no longer rent TVs.
>

Well in those days it was the better easier option for most!
--
Tony Sayer

[T i m]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:34:29 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cu...@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 12:45:40 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> With plenty of setup and the patience of a saint I can *usually* do what
>> needs doing as long as it's simple enough. The thing is toy also often
>> need a fair range of extra tools to do things easily. Like an IR PCB
>> pre-heater and hot air tools and masks. Luckily I have access to such
>> via a mate (and his help when required).
>
>This is the way things are going. Car control systems are becoming so
>complex and protected that the weekend DIY mechanic who enjoyed
>maintaining his cars has to make a choice between owning modern cars and
>subbing all the maintenance out to an authorised dealer (at sky high
>prices) or turning his back on modern cars altogether and focusing on the
>older, classic market.

That was why we built the kitcar over 30 years ago now, simply to have
something *we* could stand a chance of maintaining, *especially* not
having a steel bodyshell to rust away [1]. ;-)

> I know what I'm going to jolly well do!

The only aspect the worries me about these older cars is how dirty
they may be to run but then there is a possibility that the pollution
saved compared with making a new one may go someway to offsetting
that?

We have never done many miles per year in ours and part of why we have
just kept it running is because it should be pretty cheap to run,
especially if it makes it to 40 years old and become tax (and MOT)
exempt? ;-)

Luckily, our newest vehicle is Cira 2007 so still not too littered
with complexity and so far I have been able to get copies / clones of
the diagnostic tools that allow me to do some stuff myself (Forscan /
OpCom etc).

Our motorcycles are all also fairly old and so basic with electronic
ignition being the most complex feature. Oh, a recent addition to the
fleet is a little Yamaha YBR125 and that's got fuel injection but I'm
told they are pretty reliable. <fingers crossed>

Cheers, T i m

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 17:09:23 +0000, T i m wrote:

> Our motorcycles are all also fairly old and so basic with electronic
> ignition being the most complex feature. Oh, a recent addition to the
> fleet is a little Yamaha YBR125 and that's got fuel injection but I'm
> told they are pretty reliable. <fingers crossed>

That's pretty much ultra modern by my standards! Still into Beeza A10s;
7s, and Triumph T110s here!

[T i m]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:13:09 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cu...@notformail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 17:09:23 +0000, T i m wrote:
>
>> Our motorcycles are all also fairly old and so basic with electronic
>> ignition being the most complex feature. Oh, a recent addition to the
>> fleet is a little Yamaha YBR125 and that's got fuel injection but I'm
>> told they are pretty reliable. <fingers crossed>
>
>That's pretty much ultra modern by my standards! Still into Beeza A10s;
>7s, and Triumph T110s here!

I can see the appeal, but it wasn't something I really had any
exposure to. None of my mates had motorbikes at the time either (most
forbidden by their parents etc). ;-(

My first moped was a Honda P50, brought off my then secondary school
English teacher for £5 because it had a stripped plug thread and the
repair cost wasn't worth it. I repaired it myself and used it for 6
months or so. The second was an NSU 'Quickly' (2 speed) and again, I
was given it, took it home in bits a wheelbarrow and then used it for
nearly a year. Then a Lambretta SX150 when working at BT (my daily
commuter) before going though a mix of bikes, generally just used for
fun, the nearest to anything 'Brit Iron' being my 'Madras' RB 350
(which I have to say served me well with just a bit of fettling).

Dad had a Bantam and an Excelsior but then went to a Lambretta LD150
before I came along, passed the repayments of the scooter over to my
Uncle and they got a car.

The most fun one up (and the newest bike I've ever owned) was a Yamaha
XT350 and one of the few bikes I've had that was actually 'my size'
(I'm 6' 2"). The REB was probably the more 'gentle', happy to potter
along at 50-60 all day long but just a bit small for the two of us
when wanting to 'push on'. It was also the bike to get the most
interest, often finding an elderly man or couple looking at it when I
came back to it outside a shop because it reminded them of when they
had one (and original no doubt). ;-)

But the ultimate in lazy mile-eating has been both the BMW 100RT and
R80 (summer), and nearly every pillion has fallen asleep at some time
or another. ;-)

Being a 'butterfly rider' these days I'm looking forward to the milder
/ drier weather and we can all go out for a spin again (daughter has a
600 Bandit). ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[MrCheerful]

I need to dig out a bike again, simply for my local conditions. My area
experiences total gridlock on a regular basis, and getting car parts can
take ages. My wife drives to work (three miles away), if gridlock
occurs that three miles can take between two and five and a half hours
to travel. So if a motorbike was in immediately usable condition then I
could at least get bits and run her to/from work if needed, leave her
car at one end or the other/in between if needed. My B31's were stolen,
so it would have to be my Suzuki SP370, there are several smaller bikes
that need to go, but time/nostalgia precludes that at present.

[Graham J]

MrCheerful wrote:
[snip]

>
> I need to dig out a bike again, simply for my local conditions. My area
> experiences total gridlock on a regular basis, and getting car parts can
> take ages. My wife drives to work (three miles away), if gridlock
> occurs that three miles can take between two and five and a half hours
> to travel. So if a motorbike was in immediately usable condition then I
> could at least get bits and run her to/from work if needed, leave her
> car at one end or the other/in between if needed. My B31's were stolen,
> so it would have to be my Suzuki SP370, there are several smaller bikes
> that need to go, but time/nostalgia precludes that at present.

Three miles is an ideal distance to cycle. Better if the route is not
shared with car traffic, of course. However weather is a problem, so
your wife would need to keep a change of clothes at her place of work,
and have access to a hot shower. Such a facility should be mandatory at
all places of work !!!!

--
Graham J

[MrCheerful]

This is 2018, not 1947

The road conditions and traffic would totally preclude safe cycling.
Not least the long hill for the final bit would be knackering for
anyone. The very last thing someone would need either end of a 10 hour day!

[Tim+]

Ebike then. No sweat. ;-)

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <p3vni5$a2$8...@dont-email.me>,

Cursitor Doom <cu...@notformail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 12:45:40 +0000, T i m wrote:

> > With plenty of setup and the patience of a saint I can *usually* do
> > what needs doing as long as it's simple enough. The thing is toy also
> > often need a fair range of extra tools to do things easily. Like an IR
> > PCB pre-heater and hot air tools and masks. Luckily I have access to
> > such via a mate (and his help when required).

> This is the way things are going. Car control systems are becoming so
> complex and protected that the weekend DIY mechanic who enjoyed
> maintaining his cars has to make a choice between owning modern cars and
> subbing all the maintenance out to an authorised dealer (at sky high
> prices) or turning his back on modern cars altogether and focusing on
> the older, classic market. I know what I'm going to jolly well do!

Or learn up about basic electronics. That way you'd be one step ahead of
virtually every garage. Who restrict themselves to expecting a code reader
to do everything for them.

--
*I believe five out of four people have trouble with fractions. *

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article
<1981215933.538223165.019...@news.individual.net>,

I was very surprised to hear a keen cyclist friend talking about having
his bike serviced, and how much it cost.

Think you could multiply that several times with an Ebike.

--
*Husbands should come with instructions

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 11:56:49 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> Or learn up about basic electronics. That way you'd be one step ahead of
> virtually every garage. Who restrict themselves to expecting a code
> reader to do everything for them.

Basic electronics isn't going to be any help inside a modern car's
electronic management unit!

[T i m]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:02:06 +0000, MrCheerful
<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>I need to dig out a bike again, simply for my local conditions. My area
>experiences total gridlock on a regular basis, and getting car parts can
>take ages.

That was partly how 'our' pro bike impetus started. When the current
Mrs and I first met I had a little CG125 just for local runabout
duties and we needed to do just that during the rush hour. She loved
the whole experience (only ever going on the back of her Dads bikes
when a child) and encouraged me to get a bigger bike. ;-)

>My wife drives to work (three miles away), if gridlock
>occurs that three miles can take between two and five and a half hours
>to travel.

Feck! ;-(

>So if a motorbike was in immediately usable condition then I
>could at least get bits and run her to/from work if needed, leave her
>car at one end or the other/in between if needed.

Yup. Bikes are good for that. Or maybe a super scooter would be
'best'? I have an old YB250 Majesty and considering it's 'only' a 250
the CVT makes it pretty nippy, the smallER wheels may it very
manoeuvrable and you get a fair amount of car like features (like a
fuel gauge) storage space and comfort.

>My B31's were stolen,

Shame. ;-(

>so it would have to be my Suzuki SP370,

Nice little thumper. ;-)

>there are several smaller bikes
>that need to go,

Such as, ooi?

>but time/nostalgia precludes that at present.

Ok. I have a GPZ550 that really needs to go (project bike) and her
XV750 wants to be put back together as a 'bobber' or summat.

Cheers, T i m

[Tim+]

Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Sad how few adults can perform the simplest of basic repairs or maintenance
of a bike. I have friends who take their bikes to shops to get tyres
changed.

[MrCheerful]

I have a completely home built trials bike (Frame number HCS001 = Harry
Cheeseman Special No.1, I kid you not) Several BSA Bantams. A 1966
Honda S90. I don't think there are any others now. I got rid of the
Moto Guzzi V7 Special, the 1976 Honda 400/4, the TS185, the GT185, the
CB77, the several C72s, the TL125, the Rickman Metisse, Triumph
3TA.....etc. So I have actually been pretty good.:)

[T i m]

On 21 Jan 2018 15:02:00 GMT, Tim+ <tim.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dave Plowman (News) <da...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>> I was very surprised to hear a keen cyclist friend talking about having
>> his bike serviced, and how much it cost.
>
>Sad how few adults can perform the simplest of basic repairs or maintenance
>of a bike.

Oh, +1.

>I have friends who take their bikes to shops to get tyres
>changed.

I managed to give one of our daughters friends enough confidence and
support that she is now doing most stuff on her bike herself, even if
she still get's me to give it a 'once over' on anything major she's
done.

I found my first bike in a ditch when I was at secondary school. My
parents made me hand it in at the Police Station and 6 weeks later I
claimed it as mine. ;-)

I stripped, re-painted, rebuilt everything (inc wheel spindles etc)
and then used it for school (and a YHA cycling trip) from then till I
got the first moped.

My latest bike is a trail spec '29'er' but I've not finished setting
it up yet.

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

On Sun, 21 Jan 2018 15:06:56 +0000, MrCheerful
<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>>> there are several smaller bikes
>>> that need to go,
>>
>> Such as, ooi?

>

>I have a completely home built trials bike (Frame number HCS001 = Harry
>Cheeseman Special No.1, I kid you not)

Wow, sounds impressive. ;-)

>Several BSA Bantams.

Does 'Bantam' say it all or where there several variations MrC? (My
first girlfriend was racing Bantams).

> A 1966
>Honda S90.

I remember that, like a big boys 4/ FS1E?

>I don't think there are any others now. I got rid of the
>Moto Guzzi V7 Special,

I love the exhaust sound.

> the 1976 Honda 400/4,

Little howler! ;-)

>the TS185,

Smoky green-laner. ;-)

>the GT185,

Looks like a little 'ram air' model.

> the
>CB77,

A Japanese English bike. ;-)

> the several C72s,

Very curvy. ;-)

> the TL125,

Reminds me a bit of daughters TY80.

> the Rickman Metisse,

Very specialised. ;-)

>Triumph
>3TA.....

You sure have had a good selection.

>So I have actually been pretty good.:)

You have indeed. Was there one that was particularly had to let go of
and if so, why?

Cheers, T i m

[Mark]

"MrCheerful" <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:l029C.1114495$gi3.3...@fx19.am4...
> Several BSA Bantams.

have you seen the price thouse little tiddlers are making on ebay these days

-

[Cursitor Doom]

I suspect if you held a poll of the most-loved British motorbikes of all
time, the Bantam would most likely come top.

[MrCheerful]

That is easy: My mk1 Norton Commando (that I swapped to get the 400/4)